Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Wonder Smash]

Replacing Joker with a SMT rep is just ridiculous. Persona 5 is one of if not the biggest JRPG of the past decade. SMTV was the best selling game in its series: Persona 5 sold five times as much and it hasn’t even gotten its ports yet. Joker also is already in smash, which makes it much easier to just keep joker rather than license, design, and animate a completely new character. You can prefer we got a SMT rep over persona. Heck, we could get one in the next smash. But outright replacing Joker with a SMT rep is ludicrous, especially with how Persona outgrew SMT.

The premise of replacing a third-party character with another is ridiculous. Not only this change hardly maintains any fans (since Persona and SMT aim for pretty different audiences at this point), but it'll also guarantee to turn fans against that newcomer. It's doubly so because Persona is significantly more popular and successful between the two but it's a flawed idea, to begin with.

Also, SMT fans try not to create unnecessary drama between two series challenge (impossible difficulty)

No matter how "ridiculous" or "ludicrous" it sounds, it's still not out of the possibility that it could happen and if it does happen, I sure won't be complaining about it. Hence why I said I don't mind.

I think it's ridiculous that a Koei Tecmo character was missing in the roster, despite their long collaborative history with Nintendo but it is what it is.

 

[fogbadge]

characters being replaced by other characters is something that will probably always be something that comes up in speculation, has so far. getting annoyed about it wont stop it

 

[osby]

characters being replaced by other characters is something that will probably always be something that comes up in speculation, has so far. getting annoyed about it wont stop it

I mean, it is annoying when the only percent of it ever happening so far is one Tiny Link getting cut and another Tiny Link becoming playable instead.

People are free to bring it up but it always feels like a baseless wish fulfillment fantasy to me, where people sacrifices characters they don't like to add their faves based on superficial similarities.

 

[PeridotGX]

characters being replaced by other characters is something that will probably always be something that comes up in speculation, has so far. getting annoyed about it wont stop it

There has literally only been one replacement in all of Smash history. Toon Link has caused irreparable damage to the fanbase (Ike and Lucario are victims of being framed)

 

[Wonder Smash]

I mean, it is annoying when the only percent of it ever happening so far is one Tiny Link getting cut and another Tiny Link becoming playable instead.

People are free to bring it up but it always feels like a baseless wish fulfillment fantasy to me, where people sacrifices characters they don't like to add their faves based on superficial similarities.

Just know that in this case, neither characters fit these things for me.

There has literally only been one replacement in all of Smash history. Toon Link has caused irreparable damage to the fanbase (Ike and Lucario are victims of being framed)

"Irreparable damage"? That's funny!

 

[fogbadge]

I mean, it is annoying when the only percent of it ever happening so far is one Tiny Link getting cut and another Tiny Link becoming playable instead.

People are free to bring it up but it always feels like a baseless wish fulfillment fantasy to me, where people sacrifices characters they don't like to add their faves based on superficial similarities.

perhaps but a lot of speculation seems to be based on wish fulfillment

There has literally only been one replacement in all of Smash history. Toon Link has caused irreparable damage to the fanbase (Ike and Lucario are victims of being framed)

And why would that stop people from speculating?

 

[TCT~Phantom]

No matter how "ridiculous" or "ludicrous" it sounds, it's still not out of the possibility that it could happen and if it does happen, I sure won't be complaining about it. Hence why I said I don't mind.

I think it's ridiculous that a Koei Tecmo character was missing in the roster, despite their long collaborative history with Nintendo but it is what it is.

Yes it could happen. They could also make smash an action rpg instead in the next game. They could also decide to just make Melee HD literally for the next game. Or they could decide that the next smash will have James Bond, Iron Man, and SpongeBob.

None of those are remotely likely and are ridiculous ideas; but “could happen”. Just because something is possible does not mean it’s plausible. It’s not really plausible Nintendo and Sega/Altus would decide to replace their well received character from a big successful game and franchise for one from another franchise deliberately. It’s not really plausible that Sakurai is going to decide that Joker needs to be cut and replaced with a Shin Megami Tensei character. For starters, that’s not remotely how the roster is chosen or how character cuts would work. The alternative to Joker being in the game is not having a Shin Megami Tensei rep: it’s not having Joker in the game. But even moreso they just do not actively plan to replace characters. The only arguable replacement is Toon Link and Young Link, and Toon Link was a super last minute character in brawl so they were probably just not planning Young Link originally at all. Outside of that, there are no real examples of a character being cut and replaced. Mewtwo and Roy were both planned for Brawl alongside Lucario and Ike. No one “replaces” Wolf or Snake in Smash 4. With everything we know now, there is no reason to assume that what you are suggesting is plausible whatsoever.

 

[SPEN18]

Astral Chain seems easily plausible (in the sense that I wouldn't be surprised to see it show up), but I'm leaning towards it not happening. Mostly because some similarly niche series haven't gotten in if the timing didn't line up right. Astral Chain sold 1mil+, so there is some justification for it to get in, don't get me wrong. But was it platform-defining or a major hardware pusher? It doesn't have to be that to get into Smash, no, not at all. But with seemingly bad timing with respect to Smash releases it's uncertain. Could end up as a late-add smaller-series pick in the vein of Shulk in 4, though.

When it comes to merit, Astral Chain has some cool features and has crossed the 1mil+ sales barrier, but it's lower on the food chain (oops, pun) for me than several other similarly or more successful series that have waited longer for their turn. Golden Sun, Wave Race, Rhythm Heaven, etc. I would rather see first. Besides, it's not like Astral Chain would exactly be recent on the next platform. Even if you just look at Switch era stuff, Astral Chain is outclassed by Ring Fit. Even series that started before the Switch have had 1mil+ sellers on the Switch and could be represented with a character that represents more than just the Switch era: Bandana Dee based on his expanded role in FL, another Splatoon rep, or even more unexpected stuff like a second WarioWare rep or (if eligible) Dr. Kawashima.

So Astral Chain, yeah, it would be fine but there's lots of other stuff I have above it.



This is all barring a sequel, of course. That would clearly change parts of this analysis.

 

[fogbadge]

To me astral chain is in the time frame of too late for the next game

 

[SPEN18]

Even if most of the evidence points to them not being inclined to do one-for-one replacements of characters on the roster, I don't see anything wrong with rooting for something like that to happen. They have been shown to fill quotas in the past (for ex. the NES-era retro slot in Melee or them holding a spot for a PKMN in Ult), so characters sharing even an apparently superficial niche can be compared in terms of how well they could fill that niche, even if it's just a hypothetical that said niche would be used as a quota to fill in the next game. There's nothing crazy about saying "I would have preferred if we got character Y instead of character X in the last game" or "if we got X but not Y in the next game then I'd like that better than getting Y but not X."

 

[Perkilator]

People are free to bring it up but it always feels like a baseless wish fulfillment fantasy to me, where people sacrifices characters they don't like to add their faves based on superficial similarities.

As someone who wishes Azura got in instead of Corrin I agree

 

[HyperSomari64]

People are free to bring it up but it always feels like a baseless wish fulfillment fantasy to me, where people sacrifices characters they don't like to add their faves based on superficial similarities.

I dislike Dr. Mario, so replace him with Goku from Dragon Ball.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Yes it could happen. They could also make smash an action rpg instead in the next game. They could also decide to just make Melee HD literally for the next game. Or they could decide that the next smash will have James Bond, Iron Man, and SpongeBob.

Let's not act like Sakurai didn't say that non-video game characters will not be added. Big difference.

None of those are remotely likely and are ridiculous ideas; but “could happen”. Just because something is possible does not mean it’s plausible. It’s not really plausible Nintendo and Sega/Altus would decide to replace their well received character from a big successful game and franchise for one from another franchise deliberately. It’s not really plausible that Sakurai is going to decide that Joker needs to be cut and replaced with a Shin Megami Tensei character. For starters, that’s not remotely how the roster is chosen or how character cuts would work. The alternative to Joker being in the game is not having a Shin Megami Tensei rep: it’s not having Joker in the game. But even moreso they just do not actively plan to replace characters. The only arguable replacement is Toon Link and Young Link, and Toon Link was a super last minute character in brawl so they were probably just not planning Young Link originally at all. Outside of that, there are no real examples of a character being cut and replaced. Mewtwo and Roy were both planned for Brawl alongside Lucario and Ike. No one “replaces” Wolf or Snake in Smash 4. With everything we know now, there is no reason to assume that what you are suggesting is plausible whatsoever.

I'm not sure how you interpret that as them not planning on adding Young Link to Brawl at all or that Toon Link was last minute. There's different reasons characters are added last minute. But even that one example is enough to believe such a thing is possible just like it's enough to think a popular third-party character can be cut, as we saw with Snake. Both situations have happened before.

Besides, didn't just not too long ago we were talking how "ridiculous" it is for all the characters coming back because of this and that? Now all of a sudden, it's "ridiculous" and "ludicrous" to replace characters or cut third-party characters because of this and that? Which is it? See, what you don't seem to get is that both situations may sound ridiculous, yet both have actually happened, which goes right back to what I said about why you can't say it being "ridiculous" is some kind of counter-argument. So me thinking this as some kind of possibility is not something baseless. It is indeed based on some things that's already happened in this series.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Uh, yeah, Toon Link was always planned for Brawl. Everyone, including those Forbidden 7, were all intended to be in the game. Sakurai outright said he had the roster planned from the start.

Young Link has no straight data. That's why he's not in. Because he wasn't intended to be. His old data was only reused to make Toon Link, but he has zero actual playable files in any way(unlike, say, Toon Zelda, who does). There's literally everything pointing at him being a hard cut, whereas Roy and Dr. Mario were intended at one point. Pichu also suffers from this, but we have no clue what Pra_Mai were anyway. If they were, as speculated, Plusle & Minun, they most likely would've used Pichu as a base, due to extremely similar bodyshapes(to the point that Pikachu has a different bodyshape).

So yes, we do have that data to make it clear who was not coming back at all. And enough evidence to give an educated guess at it.

 

[Wonder Smash]

So Toon Link wasn't last minute after all, huh?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So Toon Link wasn't last minute after all, huh?

He was added into the game last minute, yes.

He was intended from the start.

He almost didn't make it due to development issues. Same with Wolf and Jigglypuff. This is why all 3 have no actual role in the SSE itself. Cause, you know, weren't put into the physical game yet.

Sonic not being immediately available to use massively screwed up their development, forcing multiple delays. So ironically the fastest thing alive made the development slower.

 

[Wonder Smash]

He was added into the game last minute, yes.

He was intended from the start.

He almost didn't make it due to development issues. Same with Wolf and Jigglypuff. This is why all 3 have no actual role in the SSE itself. Cause, you know, weren't put into the physical game yet.

Sonic not being immediately available to use massively screwed up their development, forcing multiple delays. So ironically the fastest thing alive made the development slower.

So since he was planned from the start, he wasn't truly last minute. He was just simply added later.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Moving on, I always had trouble thinking of a better way to make Richter stand out beyond a Final Smash change(since his FS actually fits really well anyway... and I'm pretty sure it's his move to begin with). Or maybe we could change Simon's? There's a buttload of new skills all across Castlevania to begin with. And even then, we could do things like change weapons a little for one of them? I don't think either appeared in the later more rpg-like games, though. Are ones like Alucard and Trevor more similar to Simon or Richter?

 

[Perkilator]

Moving on, I always had trouble thinking of a better way to make Richter stand out beyond a Final Smash change(since his FS actually fits really well anyway... and I'm pretty sure it's his move to begin with). Or maybe we could change Simon's? There's a buttload of new skills all across Castlevania to begin with. And even then, we could do things like change weapons a little for one of them?

I always thought the more obvious change was to make the blue fire from Richter's Holy Water spread across the floor and have it damage the opponent without knockback.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I always thought the more obvious change was to make the blue fire from Richter's Holy Water spread across the floor and have it damage the opponent without knockback.

That too works pretty well to change it up.

But there's many moves we can work with, after all, heh~

 

[Geno Boost]

there is character that i was wondering if it counts as 3rd party or 4th party
its Jester from Ballz 3D he is the final boss in that game

so whats special about him is that he is originally started as a logo for PF Magic (currently owned by Ubisoft) 3 years before he made his appearance in Ballz 3D

he also have his official artwork in Ballz 3D

so is he a video game character in this case?

 

[Wonder Smash]

I say he counts as a video game character. It wouldn't be fair if ROB (an accessory) counts but not a character that just appears as part of a video game logo.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Jester would be generally accepted as a video game character given that his origin was ostensibly tied to video game artwork and not any other form of media.



He will not get accepted to Smash for the crime of coming from Ballz 3D.

 

[fogbadge]

I say he counts as a video game character. It wouldn't be fair if ROB (an accessory) counts but not a character that just appears as part of a video game logo.

well r.o.b. may have been a special case due to being made by nintendo

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Let's not act like Sakurai didn't say that non-video game characters will not be added. Big difference.



I'm not sure how you interpret that as them not planning on adding Young Link to Brawl at all or that Toon Link was last minute. There's different reasons characters are added last minute. But even that one example is enough to believe such a thing is possible just like it's enough to think a popular third-party character can be cut, as we saw with Snake. Both situations have happened before.

Besides, didn't just not too long ago we were talking how "ridiculous" it is for all the characters coming back because of this and that? Now all of a sudden, it's "ridiculous" and "ludicrous" to replace characters or cut third-party characters because of this and that? Which is it? See, what you don't seem to get is that both situations may sound ridiculous, yet both have actually happened, which goes right back to what I said about why you can't say it being "ridiculous" is some kind of counter-argument. So me thinking this as some kind of possibility is not something baseless. It is indeed based on some things that's already happened in this series.

I am literally one of the most outspoken people on here for EiH and have always detested cuts talk. I literally wrote a giant post about how cuts talk is the worst thing about this thread and we could hopefully not talk about it seven times a week. My position on that has always been firm, cuts will likely be in the single digits if there are any. I don’t know why you are making me out to be this boogeyman when what you are saying about me here is just not true. I find it quite insulting you would lump me in with the people that I heavily argue against and find it quite disingenuous to try to use that as the crux of your argument.

If you want to talk about a counter argument, you really have provided none as to why they would ever replace Joker with a SMT rep outside of “it could happen” or “I wouldn’t mind”. So outside of making me into this pro cut boogeyman, which again, I am vehemently not, you have provided no argument onto why your idea makes sense. Meanwhile, myself and others have provided plenty of reasons as to why replacing Joker with a SMT rep is highly unlikely at best and does not make any sense at worst. You have provided provided little reason that they would ever replace a third party character from a vastly more popular game and series that is already in the game for one that is not. The closest we have to an example is Toon Link debatably replacing Young Link. In that case, both are first party and were easy to make clones that were added late in development. Outside of that one fringe case, there is nothing to support your argument. SMTV was the best selling SMT game… and Persona 5 even before it’s highly anticipated ports outsold it five to one. Joker is already in the game and is a popular newcomer, why would they explicitly replace Joker with someone from a different series that is less popular? The burden of proof is on you to make the case as to why this would even be a feasible idea. As of now, you have not. Instead of strawmanning me into some sort of pro cuts boogeyman that I am not, maybe you could make a decent argument as to why they would decide to explicitly replace a popular character for one from a far less popular series beyond “it’s possible, it could happen”.

 

[Geno Boost]

Jester would be generally accepted as a video game character given that his origin was ostensibly tied to video game artwork and not any other form of media.



He will not get accepted to Smash for the crime of coming from Ballz 3D.

honestly its a crime that Ballz 3D characters arent in brawlhalla its ubisoft fighting game with crossover characters
they got some banger soundtack

 

[Wonder Smash]

I am literally one of the most outspoken people on here for EiH and have always detested cuts talk. I literally wrote a giant post about how cuts talk is the worst thing about this thread and we could hopefully not talk about it seven times a week. My position on that has always been firm, cuts will likely be in the single digits if there are any. I don’t know why you are making me out to be this boogeyman when what you are saying about me here is just not true. I find it quite insulting you would lump me in with the people that I heavily argue against and find it quite disingenuous to try to use that as the crux of your argument.

You're grouping yourself into that for some reason.

If you want to talk about a counter argument, you really have provided none as to why they would ever replace Joker with a SMT rep outside of “it could happen” or “I wouldn’t mind”. So outside of making me into this pro cut boogeyman, which again, I am vehemently not, you have provided no argument onto why your idea makes sense. Meanwhile, myself and others have provided plenty of reasons as to why replacing Joker with a SMT rep is highly unlikely at best and does not make any sense at worst. You have provided provided little reason that they would ever replace a third party character from a vastly more popular game and series that is already in the game for one that is not. The closest we have to an example is Toon Link debatably replacing Young Link. In that case, both are first party and were easy to make clones that were added late in development. Outside of that one fringe case, there is nothing to support your argument. SMTV was the best selling SMT game… and Persona 5 even before it’s highly anticipated ports outsold it five to one. Joker is already in the game and is a popular newcomer, why would they explicitly replace Joker with someone from a different series that is less popular? The burden of proof is on you to make the case as to why this would even be a feasible idea. As of now, you have not. Instead of strawmanning me into some sort of pro cuts boogeyman that I am not, maybe you could make a decent argument as to why they would decide to explicitly replace a popular character for one from a far less popular series beyond “it’s possible, it could happen”.

Have you ever thought that maybe. just maybe. I wasn't trying to "explain" why they would ever replace Joker with a SMT rep? Me saying I don't mind or it could happen is literally the whole point of my post. There's no point in trying to explain why they would replace Joker because nobody knows if they would, which is what I've been saying numerous times already. All you can do is provide reasons why you doubt such a thing could happen but you don't know the likelihood of anything that happens in the far future. And with this being in the future, you also don't seem to consider that another game could possibly surpass Persona by then...like, a new SMT game. Have you ever considered that? And if so, what could that mean for Joker in Smash by that point? Again, that's something else nobody knows. But if sells mean that much to you, then you need to keep that in mind too, as it's certainly not so ridiculous that another RPG game could possibly outsell Persona 5.

And nobody is grouping up with the pro cuts other than yourself. However, I am grouping you with people who take this WAY too seriously. I made it clear as day that I wouldn't mind if Joker gets replaced if he gets cut, yet here you are making a big huge fuss over that as I just guaranteed that Joker will be removed. I mean, someone just accused me of replacing a character I hate with a character that's my favorite, even though I just said not too long enough that I'm not a fan of RPGs.

I can say it's possible and it could happen as much as I want. I'm not changing my stance. The fact that it's happened already and what we're talking about is something that doesn't exist right now means I have every reason to say that.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I guess Ballz' Jester and the mime from the P.F. Magic logo are completely different entities with the same concept in mind.

 

[Geno Boost]

I guess Ballz' Jester and the mime from the P.F. Magic logo are completely different entities with the same concept in mind.

well there is also Jester in Oddballz

https://members.tripod.com/~xxmadmanxx/oddballz/jester.gif

 

[chocolatejr9]

there is character that i was wondering if it counts as 3rd party or 4th party
its Jester from Ballz 3D he is the final boss in that game

so whats special about him is that he is originally started as a logo for PF Magic (currently owned by Ubisoft) 3 years before he made his appearance in Ballz 3D

he also have his official artwork in Ballz 3D

so is he a video game character in this case?

Wait, those characters had artwork? Can I see more, because now I'm genuinely curious what the rest of the cast is supposed to look like (I don't like staring at BALLS all the time).

Also, to answer your question, yes I think he'd count as a video game character, but... this is Ballz 3D we're talking about. I unironically think we'd get Buck Bumble before a Ballz 3D rep.

 

[Geno Boost]

Wait, those characters had artwork? Can I see more, because now I'm genuinely curious what the rest of the cast is supposed to look like (I don't like staring at BALLS all the time).

Also, to answer your question, yes I think he'd count as a video game character, but... this is Ballz 3D we're talking about. I unironically think we'd get Buck Bumble before a Ballz 3D rep.

these are their full design

in the japanese version they got small mini comic collection of Ballz 3D also

 

[Swamp Sensei]

No matter how "ridiculous" or "ludicrous" it sounds, it's still not out of the possibility that it could happen and if it does happen, I sure won't be complaining about it. Hence why I said I don't mind.

I think it's ridiculous that a Koei Tecmo character was missing in the roster, despite their long collaborative history with Nintendo but it is what it is.

Don't make me bring out the Aardvark Man comparison again.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Don't make me bring out the Aardvark Man comparison again.

Except the Aadvark Man isn't even a good comparison seeing how it's beyond the possibility part.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Except the Aadvark Man isn't even a good comparison seeing how it's beyond the possibility part.

No matter how "ridiculous" or "ludicrous" it sounds, it's still not out of the possibility that it could happen and if it does happen, I sure won't be complaining about it.

Who's to say it is out of the realm of possibility? Sure its ludicrous but no matter how ludicrous it sounds, anything can happen, right?

The people saying who are saying that these Smash related ideas aren't happening are using the same mental practices as you did just now. They looked at a situation and used logic to assess whether something is possible or not. To them, it was deemed impossible just like how you denied the possibility of Aardvark Man.

Instead of arguing that something is possible, try arguing for why you think its likely or unlikely. Your arguments will gain more traction in a good way.

For example, Phantom thinks EiH2 and/or minimal cuts is likely, but he isn't defending the idea by appealing to the infinite monkey typewriter scenario. He's using an argument to explain why he thinks the way he does and supports that argument with specific non-generalized logic.

Anyways...

#AardvarkMan4Smash[/QUOTE]

 

[HyperSomari64]

I dunno Japan wouldn't recognize characters like Captain N or the Nintendo Power kid (Nester).

If Japan-exclusive games can be referenced but not released in the west (if some are lucky of it), why not Nintendo and Sora can make allusions to their foreign ventures outside the video games?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I dunno Japan wouldn't recognize characters like Captain N or the Nintendo Power kid (Nester).

If Japan-exclusive games can be referenced but not released in the west (if some are lucky of it), why not Nintendo and Sora can make allusions to their foreign ventures outside the video games?

They're simply completely unknown to the Japanese audiences and developers. Japan only content makes more sense, simply because the company and its staff are largely Japanese. They're gonna know that stuff better.

That aside, Smash is shying away from Japan only content in general. Lucas only made it into Brawl because Sakurai thought Mother 3 was going to be localized after all.

 

[Dinoman96]

They're simply completely unknown to the Japanese audiences and developers. Japan only content makes more sense, simply because the company and its staff are largely Japanese. They're gonna know that stuff better.

That aside, Smash is shying away from Japan only content in general. Lucas only made it into Brawl because Sakurai thought Mother 3 was going to be localized after all.

TBF it's only shying away from Japan only content in terms of playable characters. Ultimate still has plenty of Japan only spirits/music tracks and Mii outfits like Lip (at least at the time).

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

They're simply completely unknown to the Japanese audiences and developers. Japan only content makes more sense, simply because the company and its staff are largely Japanese. They're gonna know that stuff better.

That aside, Smash is shying away from Japan only content in general. Lucas only made it into Brawl because Sakurai thought Mother 3 was going to be localized after all.

You can tell that with the guest characters as well. When the most Japan focused third party fighter is one that's from that's a gaming institution back home and has had almost all of its mainline releases localized in the West? That's pretty telling about how far they're willing to go for deep dives from the East.

 

[Sucumbio]

I recall smtv being a hot topic back in the old thread. Joker already being in the game did not get used as a reason for smtv fans to lose hope, did he? I legit don't remember and am too lazy to look lol. Anyway point being beyond that I see no reason to suspect that removing joker would somehow up his chances for the next game. Kinda like taking Snake didn't negate Belmont? Or maybe I don't understand lol.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Who's to say it is out of the realm of possibility? Sure its ludicrous but no matter how ludicrous it sounds, anything can happen, right?

"Sakurai is going to quit game development and become a vigilante superhero with aardvark powers. Anything could happen!"

You're going to have try to convince me that this is somehow the same thing (aardvark powers? Come on!).

The people saying who are saying that these Smash related ideas aren't happening are using the same mental practices as you did just now. They looked at a situation and used logic to assess whether something is possible or not. To them, it was deemed impossible just like how you denied the possibility of Aardvark Man.

Instead of arguing that something is possible, try arguing for why you think its likely or unlikely. Your arguments will gain more traction in a good way.

For example, Phantom thinks EiH2 and/or minimal cuts is likely, but he isn't defending the idea by appealing to the infinite monkey typewriter scenario. He's using an argument to explain why he thinks the way he does and supports that argument with specific non-generalized logic.

Anyways...

#AardvarkMan4Smash

Why should I have to explain something that was never my intentions in the first place? That's what you and so many others don't seem to understand. I never said anything about how likely it was. You guys basically forced that on me. Maybe you guys should have just slowed down and actually payed attention to what I said and respond in a more appropriate way instead of overreacting.

Besides, nobody can truly argue the likelihood of anything here. What's clear is that whenever talking about the possibility of what's going on, all they can do is go by the past and present but never by the future, because nobody knows what will happen and things can change a lot by then.

In the end, pro cuts or not, both sides have reasons to think such things will happen but in the end, it's pointless to fuss over which one is likely to happen so instead, it's best to just agree that either one could possibly happen. That's way better than trying to force a tiring debate about something that nobody knows right now anyway. You can try argue "logic" this and that but do you think this will magically lead to all this actually happening? Obviously no. We're all just throwing around possibilities. None of us are in the know.