Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Guynamednelson]

Well the japanese also make incomprehensible TF2 content if that means anything

I guess Robo-Ky doing Soldier TF2's conga dance isn't a hint this video was made by an American then

 

[Louie G.]

I'm not arguing with an Arle pfp. Based - what is that model from? I've never seen it.

Much appreciated - it's from a goofy Madou-era Virtua Fighter parody comic where Arle and Draco duke it out. Felt like a fitting display for supporting Arle's inclusion in a fighting game!

 

[Undella2]

On a different note, was thinking earlier that some part of me wishes they had opted for a different FF character besides Cloud (and later Sephiroth) as the FF rep(s) in smash. I mean, of course I have said previously that I'd be pleased to see Terra (as unlikely as it might be), but IMO any major character(s) from the first six FF games made for nintendo consoles "should've" been at least the one added in smash 4 (and then Cloud could've been added in ultimate's DLC instead of Sephiroth I guess).

I dunno; while I do like a healthy dose of third parties for the variety, I also would rather have third parties with history with nintendo emphasize such history when represented in nintendo's big crossover fighting game series.

Just personal preference though, really, I suppose. I also know that FF7 is super iconic and influential and whatnot, but I wasn't really around when it came out, and when I eventually got around to playing it, its issues stuck out to me and I felt it didn't age as well as at least some of the pre-FF7 games did.

 

[Oracle Link]

Speaking of zelda being "niche" there is one avenue where it holds true!
Merchandising specifically actionfigures or plushies! Although that isnt zeldas fault as outsidebof world of nintendo there was barely an attempt like ganondorf has 2 plushies one being from OOT!!! And the other being a wind waker handpuppet!

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Is there really someone in here disparaging one of the greatest video games of all time, Xenoblade Chronicles?

Where is he? Take me to him!

 

[Oracle Link]

Much appreciated - it's from a goofy Madou-era Virtua Fighter parody comic where Arle and Draco duke it out. Felt like a fitting display for supporting Arle's inclusion in a fighting game!

Why does dracos hair turn blue?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Apropos of nothing, but I kind of wish they were still doing spirit events. Getting stuff from Suikoden, Dragon Quest III, M&L Brothership, Unicorn Overlord, Echoes of Wisdom, Xenoblade X (more than what we have) and so forth would have made for some nice little occasions in the past 12 months.

 

[Perkilator]

Apropos of nothing, but I kind of wish they were still doing spirit events. Getting stuff from Suikoden, Dragon Quest III, M&L Brothership, Unicorn Overlord, Echoes of Wisdom, Xenoblade X (more than what we have) and so forth would have for some nice little celebrations in the past 12 months.

Exactly! There are so many Switch games that came out after Sora's release that never got a Spirit Event.

 

[Speed Weed]

Much appreciated - it's from a goofy Madou-era Virtua Fighter parody comic where Arle and Draco duke it out. Felt like a fitting display for supporting Arle's inclusion in a fighting game!

Man this is such a cool comic. Feels like such a microcosm of that period: two of Japan's biggest arcade titans of the time mashed together. What an incredible era

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Exactly! There are so many Switch games that came out after Sora's release that never got a Spirit Event.

I mean they could never realistically get all of them imo (gotta start developing next game eventually and at that point why make more events instead of putting those collectibles in next game, especially for first parties), I'm just glad the Spirit List didn't end on Evil Ryu, that always felt really strange to me before the 2024 Events lol

 

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

Regardless of how the next Smash turns out, it would make me glad Smash Ultimate can be played on the Switch 2. If anything, the backwards compatibility makes any roster cuts easier to digest IMO.

 

[ninjahmos]

Apropos of nothing, but I kind of wish they were still doing spirit events. Getting stuff from Suikoden, Dragon Quest III, M&L Brothership, Unicorn Overlord, Echoes of Wisdom, Xenoblade X (more than what we have) and so forth would have made for some nice little occasions in the past 12 months.

Well, maybe these games will be represented in the next Smash game.

 

[Dukefire]

Well, we got 18 more days before more information on Switch 2 is revealed. So, no rush when it comes to Smash Bros. Plus, Xenoblade Chronicles X is coming next week.

Also, random huehue meme for today.

 

[RodNutTakin]

Much appreciated - it's from a goofy Madou-era Virtua Fighter parody comic where Arle and Draco duke it out. Felt like a fitting display for supporting Arle's inclusion in a fighting game!

what the heck I was convinced for the longest time that those screenshots were supposed to be a preview for a cancelled spinoff

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Apropos of nothing, but I kind of wish they were still doing spirit events. Getting stuff from Suikoden, Dragon Quest III, M&L Brothership, Unicorn Overlord, Echoes of Wisdom, Xenoblade X (more than what we have) and so forth would have made for some nice little occasions in the past 12 months.

Some of these already have spirits in the game so i get why they wouldn't add more of them.

Except Suikoden of course, though that's a game i can't imagine getting smash representation

 

[ninjahmos]

Don't mind me, just gonna share this cool moveset for Funky Kong that I found here:

 

[Ivander]

Well, we got 18 more days before more information on Switch 2 is revealed.

I'm surprised something like this even existed in the first place.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Don't mind me, just gonna share this cool moveset for Funky Kong that I found here:

Looks like it's improved since the Beefy Smash Dudes looked at it. The airplane side special is entirely new (though I kinda don't like it), and the amount of options he can do while surfing are really cool. I still don't really understand the boombox option, but assuming it just paralyzes opponents, I think with a more clear animation it would work really well. Up special seems to be unchanged which is a bit of a shame, as it looked oddly restrictive, and they were K.O.ing themselves with it a ton both because they misjudged how good it is as a recovery, and because you pretty much just die if you fire yourself toward a ledge from onstage.

This is honestly just a couple of tweaks from being perfect. The only thing I'd scrap is the airplane since it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and uh...DK with glide mechanics just seems terrifying. At the very least, it should work like Steve's gliding and not Brawl Meta Knight's gliding like it seems to here.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Looks like it's improved since the Beefy Smash Dudes looked at it. The airplane side special is entirely new (though I kinda don't like it), and the amount of options he can do while surfing are really cool. I still don't really understand the boombox option, but assuming it just paralyzes opponents, I think with a more clear animation it would work really well. Up special seems to be unchanged which is a bit of a shame, as it looked oddly restrictive, and they were K.O.ing themselves with it a ton both because they misjudged how good it is as a recovery, and because you pretty much just die if you fire yourself toward a ledge from onstage.

This is honestly just a couple of tweaks from being perfect. The only thing I'd scrap is the airplane since it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and uh...DK with glide mechanics just seems terrifying. At the very least, it should work like Steve's gliding and not Brawl Meta Knight's gliding like it seems to here.

I think the boombox paralysis would make more sense if the boombox made like a grating noise and Funky reacted negatively to it animation-wise, like a cringe or something at the boombox, since I think the boombox can also cause sleep?

Also to verify, do you mean it doesn't make sense generally or like doesn't make sense with his kit? I do agree on the glide thing though, considering on the ground it can bury, I was like "HOW IS HE FLYING SO FAR" lmao

 

[DarthEnderX]

Dragging up past posts as a gotcha is... Certainly a look.

I like how he rips on your roster if you don't like his roster. I'm gonna try it out!

I made this - Smash For Switch 2 - An Obsessive Speculative Analysis . Probably not the most popular opinions but hey.

Figured if anyone would get a kick out of something like this it'd be people ITT. Enjoy! Can't wait for the April 2nd Direct.

I don't like this roster!

waits

 

[Watuna4343]

I made this - Smash For Switch 2 - An Obsessive Speculative Analysis . Probably not the mst popular opinions but hey.

Figured if anyone would get a kick out of something like this it'd be people ITT. Enjoy! Can't wait for the April 2nd Direct.

Look man, I'll be very frank here. The criticisms especially in regards to Xenoblade are very valid. The reason is very simple - the roster is full of contradictions. You say that Xenoblade Chronicles hasn't 'proven itself to be on the roster' as a series... and yet you kept F-Zero and Mother on the grounds of them being grandfathered... and yet you cut Jigglypuff on the grounds that the only thing she has going for her is that she is grandfathered, essentially being the only one where 'OG 12' rule doesn't apply... and yet you kept Mewtwo who has been cut before in Pokemon. Like this whole line is a contradictory one in terms of arguments/reasonings for character inclusions. And reading the discussion here... I genuinely don't think that any of the comments was done in bad faith. Again, it's just very valid criticism, there's no reason to be on your guard - it's not some pointless hate.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

waits

the conversation has moved on. there's being constructive and stating specific reasons for disagreement, and then there's commenting in multiple places (where he knows I've already seen and replied to it previously) saying it's the worst roster ever, going into random unrelated reddit threads to say "backseat's roster is horrendous", etc. I do concede that it was in poor taste on my part though.

 

[DarthEnderX]

They should add like five new characters to any Melee re-release but not tell anyone about it even after it comes out. Just let the first streamer to get 20 KOs in Cruel Melee and unlock Toad market it for you, it'll be funny.

Nobody from post-Melee era though. It should be time-period accurate.

Add Wario, Kid Icarus, King Dedede, Charizard and Little Mac!

I really liked Arcane but I don't think I have the heart to play a MOBA. The characters seem neat, the setting interests me, some of the spinoff games sound pretty cool, but I have zero interest in League of Legends the actual game.

I just have zero interest in multiplayer-only games.

Games like Fortnite, LoL, Overwatch or Rivals hold no appeal to me. And no TV show or Smash appearance is going to change that.

It's entirely subjective - and yeah, I'm probably overcorrecting based on the fact that I see a ton of fan rosters with 4 or 5 Xenoblade characters - which is absurd, imo.

I do agree with this though. Xenoblade doesn't need to become the next FE in Smash. Not every new release in that series needs a Fighter.

On a different note, was thinking earlier that some part of me wishes they had opted for a different FF character besides Cloud (and later Sephiroth) as the FF rep(s) in smash. I mean, of course I have said previously that I'd be pleased to see Terra (as unlikely as it might be), but IMO any major character(s) from the first six FF games made for nintendo consoles "should've" been at least the one added in smash 4 (and then Cloud could've been added in ultimate's DLC instead of Sephiroth I guess).

Listen man, FF7 is by no means my favorite FF(that would be FF6). But Cloud was clearly the correct and obvious choice.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

Look man, I'll be very frank here. The criticisms especially in regards to Xenoblade are very valid. The reason is very simple - the roster is full of contradictions. You say that Xenoblade Chronicles hasn't 'proven itself to be on the roster' as a series... and yet you kept F-Zero and Mother on the grounds of them being grandfathered... and yet you cut Jigglypuff on the grounds that the only thing she has going for her is that she is grandfathered, essentially being the only one where 'OG 12' rule doesn't apply... and yet you kept Mewtwo who has been cut before in Pokemon. Like this whole line is a contradictory one in terms of arguments/reasonings for character inclusions. And reading the discussion here... I genuinely don't think that any of the comments was done in bad faith. Again, it's just very valid criticism, there's no reason to be on your guard - it's not some pointless hate.

Already talked about Xenoblade extensively and agreed that the argument is valid that I overcorrected. MOTHER I kept but it's not because of grandfathering - I think you can very easily look around the landscape of RPGs and gaming and see the footprint, which is worth a lot - it's genuinely influential and has continued to be a reference point for many, many games. F-Zero is a combination of light grandfathering for Falcon and also is the sole rep for racing games - plus the series isn't entirely dead (F-Zero 99) and has 10 or so games depending on if you count Satellaview stuff or whatnot - pretty substantial. Pokemon is a touchy subject and no one seems to agree - some flip out because I cut Jigglypuff, some flip out because I cut the new mons, I just think the series needs to be contained / cut off at some point (like all series do - even Mario only has 4 slots on my roster) and I cut everything but bare essentials (leaving it with still the most movesets on the roster).

All of this being said - it's subjective and I dig the discussion. I welcome disagreement - but people reacted to the video / roster as if it was bloodthirsty or mean or something when I feel like I was pretty lighthearted and coming from a place of caring about the series. I think the Smash devs themselves are in for a rude awakening if the next game does feature extensive cuts - you're inevitably blasphemous to a substantial portion of the fanbase no matter who you axe.

 

[Wonder Smash]

They should add like five new characters to any Melee re-release but not tell anyone about it even after it comes out. Just let the first streamer to get 20 KOs in Cruel Melee and unlock Toad market it for you, it'll be funny.

I'm surprised you didn't say Sonic.

But I will, I'd be happy if at least one of those new characters is Little Mac.