Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[BrawlX10]

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"Where is Banjo? Is he safe? Is he all right?"

Me and forgeting one character in prediction lists name a more iconic duo xD.
He would be in Midle.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Fwiw Reimu seems like a good fit for a costume - you could also get a piece of music that way too. Assuming they handle those the same way again.

I mean I'd take that. I already made a Reimu Mii using the Nakoruru Hair and stuff in Ultimate, so getting like Reimu as a Mii Costume alongside a remix of something like Spring Lane - Colorful Path, The Ground's Color Is Yellow, Dichromatic Lotus Butterfly - Red and White, or Maiden's Capriccio would be sick lol

 

[SharkLord]

Ah dang my bad I keep that in mind for next time. Kind of new to some things here. I still don’t even know how to spoiler mark stuff here lol.

A little late but it's under the three dots on the top bar of the comment box. If you mouse over it, it's callect Insert.

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Yeah, as much as I love Reimu and am a proponent for her getting into Smash, I don't think she's up there with like Sans, Shantae, and Zagreus.

I do think it's theoretically possible because Toby has connections with both Sakurai and ZUN and Undertale feels pretty likely to get something (so they could establish that connection at some point), and there have been a few games localized on the Switch (Sunken Fossil World and Antinomy of Common Flowers specifically, which were still made by ZUN though admittedly they're not the main shmups), but yeah, she's in my long-shot category for the reasons you mentioned basically lol

Yeah, Touhou generally occupies a separate circle from most Nintendo systems. At the very least there's been an actual presence on the Switch, bolstered by localized fangames (Which themselves are iffy in regards to Smash likelihood because even if they're being sold on the eShop, they're still fangames) but Nintendo just doesn't have a strong working relationship with ZUN. Granted, he's just one guy, so if ZUN and Sakurai do get in contact I can see negotiations happening pretty smoothly, but as of now there's not much precedent for that meeting to happen.

Though, as people have mentioned before, I can easily see a costume happening for the same reasons. ZUN wants Touhou in Smash and he's incredibly lax with rights, so even if Reimu as a fighter isn't in the cards, they could easily secure the rights to a quick costume or Spirit/Trophy/whatever collectable Smash 6 is going with

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

But it has four characters. It's doing fine.

To go through my thoughts in order. Ridley is almost perfect but is lacking signature moves like Pogo Bounce. Samus needed a redesign in Smash 4 and is still sorely lacking. Dark Samus is kinda disappointing given they gave her all the effort in animations and then zilch for gameplay. Zss has fun gameplay but represents like one segment in the series and was added for a gimmick she doesn't even fulfill.
I agree that it has four characters and that alone is enough to satisfy me, but even among what we have there's a lot to improve on.

That's something anybody could say about any character they like.

I mean yeah, I was stating a general feeling I hold towards the roster and then tied it into the character I was discussing. I'm not saying I think Raven Beak is a special lock or anything.

I think it applies even less to Zelda, and, like Metroid, Smash still treats that series closer to a "static cast" one than the likes of FE and Xenoblade.

Smash has treated Metroid as 'Samus and Samus' for 4 games, only really changing when they caved and added two characters for fan demand. Despite being recurring antagonists, keep in mind both of them were and still are dead as of current Metroid canon.

 

[Louie G.]

Truthfully, even though I love Metroid, I would be content even if we were just left with Samus and Ridley.

I'd like a unique Dark Samus, I'd like EMMI or Raven Beak, but those two are the bare essentials and Metroid is not a particularly character-driven series. That's been the cope for years while waiting around for Ridley to join, and I always said he was the only other thing the series needed, so I guess I'll stick to my guns on it lol. I think the more pressing place to improve on Metroid representation is less on the roster and more with stages.

Again though, Ridley is the only other absolutely essential component... doesn't mean we can't have more.

 

[Idon]

I'm down to push for one-off nonprotagonists if they're sufficiently cool enough.

Like Sheik is staying here forever and she appeared in one game and literally just spouted exposition so by comparison a memorable antagonist that gets beaten to close out the story is a large step above that.
Ignoring Sheik's very unique circumstances of course but still, it'd be nice.

Ignore the Raven Beak below, I'm not biased at all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

When Sakurai spoke of how ZSS is done, it's described as "Zero Suit Samus: Flexible Martial Artist" in the slides. This sounds quite a lot like she did the job specifically. No, her gimmick isn't just to be a Final Smash thing(which, to be fair, she did properly. In fact, you can't return to regular Samus outside of a Smash Ball. Is it a great gimmick? Nah. But was the gimmick focused on Final Smashes? Absolutely).

"Samus outside of her power suit" isn't really the gimmick anyway. That's just a part of why she makes sense to add. It's a form of the character that showed up in multiple games, so she's quite well known. The design used in Smash is obviously her as a fighter.

https://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/26/sakurai-on-character-choices/ Source for the flexible martial artist bit. It can be argued she's a bit off from that, but being her gun focuses on stunning, it makes a lot more sense. Martial Artists are able to find weak spots in a person, creating blows that can cripple them. It's just a different way of working with the concept. So in a way, her purpose fits as intended.

 

[ninjahmos]

Alright, I've decided to do a moveset for a Namco character, who goes by the name...Rick Taylor. Here it is:

Rick Taylor Moveset

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, as much as I love Reimu and am a proponent for her getting into Smash, I don't think she's up there with like Sans, Shantae, and Zagreus.

She's a perfect candidate for a Mii Gunner costume. Or possibly a Mii Mage. (Mage fits her character better, but Gunner fits her series better).

For the vets. When they aren't all shown off right at the beginning.

Ah, that makes more sense then.

Source for the flexible martial artist bit.

To be fair, in Metroid 1, she can curl into a ball, even without the suit. Pretty flexible I'd say.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

A little late but it's under the three dots on the top bar of the comment box. If you mouse over it, it's callect Insert.
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Yeah, Touhou generally occupies a separate circle from most Nintendo systems. At the very least there's been an actual presence on the Switch, bolstered by localized fangames (Which themselves are iffy in regards to Smash likelihood because even if they're being sold on the eShop, they're still fangames) but Nintendo just doesn't have a strong working relationship with ZUN. Granted, he's just one guy, so if ZUN and Sakurai do get in contact I can see negotiations happening pretty smoothly, but as of now there's not much precedent for that meeting to happen.

Though, as people have mentioned before, I can easily see a costume happening for the same reasons. ZUN wants Touhou in Smash and he's incredibly lax with rights, so even if Reimu as a fighter isn't in the cards, they could easily secure the rights to a quick costume or Spirit/Trophy/whatever collectable Smash 6 is going with

Thank you for the info now I finally understand how to do the spoiler mark.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

This might sound like a hot take but Sans feels like a character who would fit more like an assist trophy than a character.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

https://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/26/sakurai-on-character-choices/ Source for the flexible martial artist bit.

Hm...Meta Knight is listed here as a "pointed sword dancer", and given how he operates I have no idea how this theme resulted in this move set.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well I have completed Ys 1 and 2.

Adol isn't setting the world on fire for me personally but he's neat. Good music though.

 

[Wonder Smash]

This might sound like a hot take but Sans feels like a character who would fit more like an assist trophy than a character.

He most likely would. I doubt he'd get in over the protagonist.

 

[Gengar84]

Well I have completed Ys 1 and 2.

Adol isn't setting the world on fire for me personally but he's neat. Good music though.

I’m just about finished with Metaphor. I’m at a secret end game boss that I’ve spent several hours trying and failing but it eventually always uses an attack that wipes out my party in one hit. I’m about to say forget it and just beat the game. Still a great game overall but that secret boss is infuriating. Not sure if Will (the protagonist) has much a shot for Smash but he’d be pretty cool.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Hm...Meta Knight is listed here as a "pointed sword dancer", and given how he operates I have no idea how this theme resulted in this move set.

You're probably thinking of "dancer" as normal dancing and not the art of sword dancing.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You're probably thinking of "dancer" as normal dancing and not the art of sword dancing.

No I'm thinking about it in terms of sword dancing, but even then Marth fits that bill way more than Meta Knight really seems to, as he does a lot more flailing his sword around than he does those smooth, practiced strikes. And looking at the way his power fantasy works, it's much less weaving in and out and punishing mistakes and more displaying his speed and power by turning himself into a tornado.

 

[SharkLord]

Well I have completed Ys 1 and 2.

Adol isn't setting the world on fire for me personally but he's neat. Good music though.

Yeah, Ys I and II are extremely basic, and Adol doesn't have much of a character beyond the manual at this point in time. Later games give him much flashier moves and slowly turn him into an lovable doofus who just really likes adventure. The music is definitely the most memorable aspect aside from Dark Fact carpet bombing your ass in his fight

If you want to play more Ys games, I'd recommend going to Ys VI next, then play the games on Steam in release order. The third and fourth games got remade and the fifth isn't on modern systems, so for all intents and purposes Ys VI gives the series a soft reboot. It's not a bad game, but it's a little rough around the edges. Oath in Felghana greatly streamlines the experience to the point you'll have a hard time going from Oath back to VI, so if you want to judge VI fairly you should probably do that one before any of the later games.

 

[BrawlX10]

Do you guys think Rhythm Heaven could get a stage, assist trophy....or even a item next time?
Kinda weird that the most this series has got has a random enemy in Smash Run in Smash 3DS, specially bc it was a active series back then.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Do you guys think Rhythm Heaven could get a stage, assist trophy....or even a item next time?
Kinda weird that the most this series has got has a random enemy in Smash Run in Smash 3DS, specially bc it was a active series back then.

I'm hoping it'll get a playable character since one was planned for Smash 4 and I'm hoping Sakurai looks into that idea again, but realistically I'd take pretty much anything since I haven't gotten a new game in a decade lol

 

[ninjahmos]

Do you guys think Rhythm Heaven could get a stage, assist trophy....or even a item next time?
Kinda weird that the most this series has got has a random enemy in Smash Run in Smash 3DS, specially bc it was a active series back then.

I'm hoping it'll at least get a stage with some music, if not a character.

...A character would still be nice though.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Well I have completed Ys 1 and 2.

Adol isn't setting the world on fire for me personally but he's neat. Good music though.

What? You don't like bumping into enemies for combat?

 

[ninjahmos]

It probably won't happen, but I'm still kinda hoping they rework some of Sonic's normal attacks to be more similar to his attacks from Sonic Battle instead of just having him roll up into a ball. I know that's basically what his games kinda have him do most of the time, but creativity and innovation are part of what Smash movesets are all about, as well as the source material.

Oh, and I've said this plenty of times before, but I'm still hoping they change his side special to Light Speed Dash with Spin Dash as his down special.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What? You don't like bumping into enemies for combat?

Ys2 giving me a projectile improved my opinion tenfold.

 

[Nickthebrick1]

Hey guys, on a seperate tangent... I know we're talking about Smash 6 but I think I would be good to discuss the Smash series in the farther future so to speak. Sakurai has worked on Smash for a long time now, although I think he would like to work on other games he always comes back to Smash because he doesn't believe other people can handle to job or something along those lines.

With that being said, sooner or later Sakurai will not be in the director's chair anymore, whether if he doesn't want to be director anymore or the most grimmest possiblity he passes away. I believe he said he tried to find a successor for his role but it didn't work out if I correctly recall. But that was a long time ago. And Smash is not only one of Nintendo's biggest properties but a phenomena event in the gaming sphere for every console generations. Still selling strong to this day.

So I guess what I am asking is Do you think Smash can exist without Sakurai/with someone else in the helm. If so what do you imagine that being like/or thought about the matter, positives and negatives?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Figured I’d share some of my most wanted newcomers at the moment.

I also really want Chibi-Robo, but I couldn’t find good 2D art of them.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Hey guys, on a seperate tangent... I know we're talking about Smash 6 but I think I would be good to discuss the Smash series in the farther future so to speak. Sakurai has worked on Smash for a long time now, although I think he would like to work on other games he always comes back to Smash because he doesn't believe other people can handle to job or something along those lines.

With that being said, sooner or later Sakurai will not be in the director's chair anymore, whether if he doesn't want to be director anymore or the most grimmest possiblity he passes away. I believe he said he tried to find a successor for his role but it didn't work out if I correctly recall. But that was a long time ago. And Smash is not only one of Nintendo's biggest properties but a phenomena event in the gaming sphere for every console generations. Still selling strong to this day.

So I guess what I am asking is Do you think Smash can exist without Sakurai/with someone else in the helm. If so what do you imagine that being like/or thought about the matter, positives and negatives?

It can exist without Sakurai. I can imagine maybe HAL Labs developing the series again. Not sure about the negatives but looking at the Kirby games, especially Kirby Fighters, they seem like a company I can trust at least.

 

[ninjahmos]

Hey guys, on a seperate tangent... I know we're talking about Smash 6 but I think I would be good to discuss the Smash series in the farther future so to speak. Sakurai has worked on Smash for a long time now, although I think he would like to work on other games he always comes back to Smash because he doesn't believe other people can handle to job or something along those lines.

With that being said, sooner or later Sakurai will not be in the director's chair anymore, whether if he doesn't want to be director anymore or the most grimmest possiblity he passes away. I believe he said he tried to find a successor for his role but it didn't work out if I correctly recall. But that was a long time ago. And Smash is not only one of Nintendo's biggest properties but a phenomena event in the gaming sphere for every console generations. Still selling strong to this day.

So I guess what I am asking is Do you think Smash can exist without Sakurai/with someone else in the helm. If so what do you imagine that being like/or thought about the matter, positives and negatives?

I'm not really sure Smash without Sakurai is the best future for the series, but if that were to be the case…I guess it wouldn't hurt to give Shinya Kumazaki from HAL Laboratory a shot as director.

Come to think of it, on an unrelated note, a Smash remix of Radical City (Living In The City) would actually be pretty cool. Richard Jacques' music could use some recognition in Smash.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So I guess what I am asking is Do you think Smash can exist without Sakurai/with someone else in the helm. If so what do you imagine that being like/or thought about the matter, positives and negatives?

I'm sure they can. The formula is pretty well established at this point.

As long as they don't add 4th Party characters, it'll be fine.

Figured I’d share some of my most wanted newcomers at the moment.

 

[ninjahmos]

Come to think of it, on an unrelated note, a Smash remix of Radical City (Living In The City) would actually be pretty cool. Richard Jacques' music could use some recognition in Smash.

Another good one from Sonic R would be Radiant Emerald (Diamond In The Sky).

 

[DarthEnderX]

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[Geno Boost]

something we all can agree on if mii comes back in the next smash game they should add the miitopia customization

 

[Stratos]

I wonder if they'll add Bub from the Bubble Bobble series as a newcomer to Super Smash Bros., will they have Bob with him like the Ice Climbers or as an alternative costume? How would you prefer it? However, the Bubble Dragons are among the characters I would like as newcomers to the Super Smash Bros. series.

 

[fogbadge]

Actually now that I'm thinking on it, I want Octoling from Splatoon 2 and 3. Even as an Echo Fighter or a palette swap of Inkling.

What? Since I started Splatoon 3 when it first launched in September 2022, I've been an Octoling. If I'm going to start playing the series on the third installment, I may as well be the second species that was introduced as playable in 2.

just about everyone on this forum has considered the possibility of octolings. there's no need to think it's a surprising want

 

[BritishGuy54]

Octoling is the one character that is a 100% lock for the next game.

It’s HOW they get in that’s the real question. You could justify them being unique, semi-clone, an echo, or an alt.

 

[fogbadge]

Octoling is the one character that is a 100% lock for the next game.

It’s HOW they get in that’s the real question. You could justify them being unique, semi-clone, an echo, or an alt.

no one is a lock. and certainly not 100%

 

[BritishGuy54]

no one is a lock. and certainly not 100%

Even so, Octoling is the closest thing to a lock there is.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

With first parties going from close to a lock to fairly likely I'd say Inkling from Splatoon, a Pokémon from a contemporary Gen, a Fire Emblem avatar character, BWD, and a Xenoblade rep. Various others like (non Tri-Force trio) Zelda characters, Dixie Kong, Waluigi, King Boo, E.M.M.I/Raven Beak, Oatchi, feel a bit more in flux for different reasons but the aforementioned five I can easily imagine showing up in the next game.

 

[fogbadge]

Even so, Octoling is the closest thing to a lock there is.

people said the same thing about Rex

 

[DynamicSmasher]

Figured I’d share some of my most wanted newcomers at the moment.

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I also really want Chibi-Robo, but I couldn’t find good 2D art of them.

Nice picks. I don't know who the girl in the blue beret and the guy at the bottom right are. I want to say the guy is Frank West, but I don't think that's right.