Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Þe 1 → Way]

In regards to flavor of the month villains, I feel like limiting Metroid to its returning characters is basically just leaving Samus, Ridley, and the Prime Villains as possibilities (aside from ig Mother Brain). They're cool and I like them, but I don't feel like Sylux should have chops over Raven Beak cause Metroid Prime Hunters exists, if that makes sense. If we wanna get technical, there was the Samus Returns tease of the Chozo General that turned out to be RB.

Still, if a series should get a character, it should be because that character is themselves worth including, and despite his one off nature, I feel like Raven Beak wouldn't really feel that out place on the roster, especially given that roster rule just patently doesn't apply to franchises built around the concept of revolving casts. Metroid is sort of stuck in the middle of the two trends imo, given it both statically follows Samus as a Protag and still regularly cycles through Antagonists with little more than a handful of mainline appearances, Ridley being the obvious exception.

 

[Arcanir]

Is anybody left who is? Not for nothing, but we're kind of at the stage where we're in the position to add B-lister villains anyway.

Maybe DJ Octavio, off technicality being a recurring villain from one of Nintendo's biggest IP. As a character I don't think he is as popular as these characters, but nevertheless... as much as I love K. Rool he's not exactly Bowser or Sephiroth either. Beyond that, if we add any new first party villains, they really aren't gonna be on a much greater caliber than the likes of Raven Beak or EMMI - Skull Kid, Magolor, etc are technically right on this level. Obviously we can add Eggman or whoever but that's another can of worms.

Like, I don't know how likely any of these characters are, but I'm just trying to highlight that if our judgement is "x character is not on y character's level" then that puts us in a very rough position. To Brawl's point earlier now is probably the point where some of these prior conditions get challenged.

Yeah, with the way Smash is now I do think looking more towards B-List villains (and side characters in general) would be an appealing option to look into.

As you said, most of the characters that would otherwise be ahead of them are already present and the ones that remain tend to be on a similar plane, and as we've seen with cases like Skull Kid just because they only appear enough to only count on one hand doesn't prevent them from being enduring characters in their popularity and presence in their fandom. We're at a point where I think characters like Raven Beak/EMMI or Skull Kid could be looked at as they still would add a lot to the game and be liked additions regardless of how much they appeared.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Yeah, actually, I most definitely wouldn't mind something like that.

I have wondered if the response to Everyone is Here COULD possibly have them consider the idea of revealing all of the veterans right off the bat, but I feel like Sakurai likely understands that a trailer like that wouldn't have the same oomph if it's simply "here's who's in and here's who's not" as opposed to Ultimate's massive reveal that EVERYONE is back.

That's why I expect more of Smash 4's approach to veterans, but faster than Smash 4's (AKA the game getting revealed and then waiting a month just to see Olimar lol). Of course it would also depend on how long the marketing cycle is, but if this game has a more typical number of newcomers it would probably be longer than Ultimate's anyway and more akin to Smash 4's marketing length.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

Thinking about secondary characters generally, I don’t think that “we’ve got each series’ core main cast, so now’s the time to start looking at B-listers from those franchises” is the right approach. We’ve been at the point for almost two decades now and it’s clear that’s not the philosophy adopted by Sakurai.

Brawl was the game that focused the hardest on adding secondary characters for a good reason: Melee was incredibly anemic when it came to representing any franchise that wasn’t Mario, Pokémon, or Zelda. There was a lot to work with, so 2/3rds of Brawl’s newcomers ended up being from supporting Nintendo series because massive names like Diddy Kong, King Dedede, Charizard, and Wario (if you want to count him) were missing.

Smash for Wii U/3DS was the game that de-emphasized secondary characters, which makes sense following Brawl. Only 5 secondary characters were added and, of those five, three were added partially to modernize the representation of their franchises (). Instead, there was a lot more focus on adding new franchises, which Brawl generally didn’t do much of.

Ultimate kind of lies in the middle. We got six secondary characters from Nintendo franchises added. Half were added to modernize representation (), while three were evergreen characters that weren’t really modernizing their franchise’s cast (). That being said, I do think it’s pretty clear that’s Ultimate did have a philosophy closer to Smash for than Brawl, particularly once the DLC came about.

That being said, I do think we’ll see more secondary characters from third party franchises, which will alter the ratio of new secondary characters to new primary characters closer to that of Brawl. Now that has opened the flood gates, basically every third party franchise is in a spot similar to Nintendo franchises that weren’t Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon circa 2005. While licensing limits how many third party secondary characters can be added, I wouldn’t be surprised if more cooperative licensors got multiple, unique characters. That would obviously happen on top of adding Nintendo’s secondary characters who are either major players who have been missing for awhile (Waluigi, BWD, Tom Nook, etc.) and the standard modernization we’ve seen previously (Octoling, a new Gen 9 Pokemon, etc.)

Imma have to HARD disagree on this one. Limiting the secondary characters for first-parties while opening the gates for third-party ones will only fuel the idea that there's nothing left from the former's side of options.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I have wondered if the response to Everyone is Here COULD possibly have them consider the idea of revealing all of the veterans right off the bat, but I feel like Sakurai likely understands that a trailer like that wouldn't have the same oomph if it's simply "here's who's in and here's who's not" as opposed to Ultimate's massive reveal that EVERYONE is back.

That's why I expect more of Smash 4's approach to veterans, but faster than Smash 4's (AKA the game getting revealed and then waiting a month just to see Olimar lol). Of course it would also depend on how long the marketing cycle is, but if this game has a more typical number of newcomers it would probably be longer than Ultimate's anyway and more akin to Smash 4's marketing length.

I thought about the approach of revealing all veterans right off the bat myself. That lead me to think that a Smash 4 approach, with Direct trailers for newcomers, is more likely to happen with Smash 6.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Imma have to HARD disagree on this one. Limiting the secondary characters for first-parties while opening the gates for third-party ones will only fuel the idea that there's nothing left from the former's side of options.

Gotta be honest man i can't think of any secondary characters left over aside from Dixie kong.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Gotta be honest man i can't think of any secondary characters left over aside from Dixie kong.

Doesn't matter if you can't think of any, there's going to have to be SOME given what base game newcomers are like.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

BWD, Dixie and Impa all feel like first party secondary characters that are potentially in play. I think the former is the most likely given his popularity is too much for even Smash developers to ignore at this point, but those three at least have something to be said for them.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Doesn't matter if you can't think of any, there's going to have to be SOME given what base game newcomers are like.

Also given that we typically only get like 2 new third parties per base game thus far (Sonic/Snake, Mega Man/Pac-Man, Simon and Richter/Ken technically since they're Echoes). For DLC sure, I could see the secondary character thing holding a lot of weight for third parties, but for base game the majority is always first party, so secondary characters have a certain amount of room here depending on how many newcomers there are.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

So, aside from newcomers, what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced? Like how Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby as well as Samus were revealed in Brawl's initial and the original 8 (Minus Yoshi) and Pit were revealed for Smash 4.

 

[Louie G.]

I love Skull Kid and Midna and Ghirahim, but you definitely can’t say the same thing about them. There is no expectation that they’ll hold any significance beyond the one game they star in and I’d even argue most of them have a smaller role in their respective game than Raven Beak does in Dread. Kraid, Mother Brain and Ridley consistently manage to come back to antagonize Samus in every other game. Characters in Metroid are rarely one-offs, while Zelda characters almost always are.

I’m not even sure how much this matters when it comes to character selection, considering characters like Sheik exist, but I still think he deserves some distinction from the Zelda one-offs. He isn’t just the popular guy from the new game, but has retroactively become a major player in the Metroid series and is likely to continue showing up if previous Metroid villains are anything to go by. I really do think this is a big distinction.

I get you, but I think this is splitting hairs and overthinking things a bit. Right now Raven Beak is just in Metroid Dread - the future is yet to be seen, I'm sure the conversation will become very serious around him by Smash 7 if he has more appearances to speak of or his influence continues to be felt. I don't think this kind of speculation has much value toward Smash 6 yet.

So we're just not there. As it stands now there's fundamentally no difference where if the hesitation around these characters from Zelda or Kirby ever had to do with their shelf life... Raven Beak's is currently in limbo. Yes, Raven Beak's influence is more direct toward a consistent story and world. But frankly I don't think it's Smash's concern how well it's serving a series' lore or anything like that, even if Raven Beak's implementation is compelling. It's a superficial element that has no bearing on a character's Smash presence, gameplay and so forth unless that continues to manifest itself in more concrete ways moving forward.

Bottom line is I'm not counting it out, but in essence at it stands right this very moment there's no real difference.

Gotta be honest man i can't think of any secondary characters left over aside from Dixie kong.

Man, it's the year 2025 we need to stop with this "Dixie Kong is the only important Nintendo character left" narrative lol.

 

[Shinuto]

Begging and hoping and pleading and crying for Undertale to be the first indie fighter.

No it should be Shantae, she was here first!

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

No it should be Shantae, she was here first!

I mean technically for indies if we're talking who was here first I think that'd be Commander Video since he had a trophy in Smash 4, but...

 

[Speed Weed]

I mean technically for indies if we're talking who was here first I think that'd be Commander Video since he had a trophy in Smash 4, but...

It's wild how much it feels like CommanderVideo has been memory-holed from history, like he got a ****ing Smash trophy and now I never hear about him anymore. I guess he's in Fraymakers though, that's something

 

[Shinuto]

I mean technically for indies if we're talking who was here first I think that'd be Commander Video since he had a trophy in Smash 4, but...

I meant age wise lol

 

[DynamicSmasher]

BWD, Dixie and Impa all feel like first party secondary characters that are potentially in play. I think the former is the most likely given his popularity is too much for even Smash developers to ignore at this point, but those three at least have something to be said for them.

A gen 9 or 10 Pokemon will happen as well, of course. Tom Nook, Alear and Octoling(as long as they can make sure their ink won't be mistaken for Inkling's) are also real possibilities too. A new Xenoblade character(Noah/Mio/Elma) is a possibility. Waluigi might catch a break too.

No it should be Shantae, she was here first!

Shantae has the history- both in general and with Nintendo, but that's not the only thing they look at(or even the main thing- look at Joker). When her competition is the likes of Sans, Shovel Knight and Reimu... It's gonna be uphill for her. I'd be happy to have a second shapeshifter, but it's a tough hill to climb.

 

[ninjahmos]

Please let Waluigi be playable in the next game, and let his moveset be inspired by his appearances in the Mario spin-offs, especially Mario Tennis and Mario Golf.

Also, I'd still love to see Skull Kid get in, even if he is a one-off character. Or Impa, if not him. Oh, and Dixie too.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

So, aside from newcomers, what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced? Like how Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby as well as Samus were revealed in Brawl's initial and the original 8 (Minus Yoshi) and Pit were revealed for Smash 4.

Inkling and Villager are likely to be included in the group that will revealed with Mario and the others since their series are becoming bigger. Bowser if they want to include any villains.

Peach and Zelda feel like early revealed characters on the official website. Same with Marth and King Dedede. Also Toon Link like in Smash 4 if he returns.

Sonic and PAC-MAN are probably the 3rd party characters that will be revealed near the beginning that aren’t new.

 

[SubspaceJigglypuff]

So, aside from newcomers, what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced? Like how Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby as well as Samus were revealed in Brawl's initial and the original 8 (Minus Yoshi) and Pit were revealed for Smash 4.

Most if not all of the Original 8 + characters like Shulk, Inklings and one of Villager/Isabelle.

 

[The Prankster 16]

So, aside from newcomers, what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced? Like how Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby as well as Samus were revealed in Brawl's initial and the original 8 (Minus Yoshi) and Pit were revealed for Smash 4.

I think the OG 8 or 12, plus some of the other "faces" of series like Marth, Shulk, Olimar, Villager, and Inkling. Probably Sonic too given he's basically a staple now. For the first newcomer, I genuinely expect it to Waluigi, since he's both a safe first-party pick and a recognizable fan favorite request.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Commander Video and the BIT TRIP series are an interesting example of not having the same cultural resonance as certain other indie characters when it comes to stuff like Smash because (at least I'd argue) the aesthetics and nostalgia associated with it are too old to land with much of the broader audience. 1st and 2nd generation gaming has been somewhat left in the dustbin of video game pop culture history outside select examples and one could be forgiven that based on the retrospectives and highlighting that console gaming only really started with the NES. That's of course not true, but just as older computer titles don't get recognized as much as they should, so much of pre 1984 home video games often suffer the same thing.

In that respect it's not a surprise that an indie series that's a giant homage to such games has left a bit less of an impression than the 8 bit and 16-bit tributes that many other prominent indie series often end up being.

 

[BritishGuy54]

So, aside from newcomers, what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced? Like how Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby as well as Samus were revealed in Brawl's initial and the original 8 (Minus Yoshi) and Pit were revealed for Smash 4.

My batch of veterans to be revealed immediately, in this order.

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I think 30 veterans revealed initially is fine. It gets people excited with a heap of fun differences they can point out (like new moves, new alts, new Final Smashes), whilst also setting the tone of the new game.

Many of these are obvious picks to kick off a new game. Somehow, some of these will still blindsight some people.

Third parties and other veterans will likely be revealed later.

 

[BrawlX10]

Which indies do you think have the best chances of getting in? I see Quote, Cuphead, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Sans, Reimu, and Zagreus.

Sans, Cuphead, Hollow Knight or Zagreus.
If i have to rank them in likeness to get in: Sans >>>> Hollow Knight = Cuphead > Zagreus.
I think Shovel Knight's boat has sailed and will likely just return as an AT.
Also, i've seen plenty of people who think indies are extremely unlikely, so even with indies getting content in Ult, some people still don't seem convinced yet that they're on the table. (Not me though, i think Sans will get in)

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

My batch of veterans to be revealed immediately, in this order.

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I think 30 veterans revealed initially is fine. It gets people excited with a heap of fun differences they can point out (like new moves, new alts, new Final Smashes), whilst also setting the tone of the new game.

Many of these are obvious picks to kick off a new game. Somehow, some of these will still blindsight some people.

Third parties and other veterans will likely be revealed later.

I could see this happening for maybe a follow up trailer but for the initial trailer like Smash 4's trailer or Ultimate's teaser I wouldn't expect 30 characters right off the bat.

Will also say to go along with the original question, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowser in an initial teaser too, since I'm pretty sure he was in Ultimate's? I mostly expect like bigger names among the original 8 like Mario/Link/Pikachu/Kirby/Samus/DK, an Animal Crossing character, Inkling, and maybe a few others like Marth, Pit, or Shulk? Honestly I could even see Pyra/Mythra instead of Shulk, just because Xenoblade 2 is the biggest one of the trilogy and Pyra and Mythra are super popular.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

My batch of veterans to be revealed immediately, in this order.

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I think 30 veterans revealed initially is fine. It gets people excited with a heap of fun differences they can point out (like new moves, new alts, new Final Smashes), whilst also setting the tone of the new game.

Many of these are obvious picks to kick off a new game. Somehow, some of these will still blindsight some people.

Third parties and other veterans will likely be revealed later.

30 is a bit too much since most of the announcement reveals are generally only 5-10 characters old characters. Ultimate was the exception.

I think there will be lot revealed in the beginning just not when the game is announced.

 

[RileyXY1]

These are who I want to see revealed right away:




A nice mix of expected and shock picks.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

It's wild how much it feels like CommanderVideo has been memory-holed from history, like he got a ****ing Smash trophy and now I never hear about him anymore. I guess he's in Fraymakers though, that's something

I have such vivid memories of playing the demo for Bit Trip Runner downloaded off the Wii Shop Channel. Honestly would be an extremely fun low key addition, if even as an assist or smt

 

[Louie G.]

what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced?

Honestly, maybe a larger crop of characters than Brawl or Smash 4 but less than Ultimate (obviously). I could see us kicking off with a good 16-20 veterans and two or three newcomers in tow to get things started. That still leaves us at least like like 20+ veterans to intermittently reveal up to release along with however many newcomers we're getting.

(?)

Give or take Wario if Waluigi is in fact one of the first big reveals. Maybe a couple more Ultimate newcomers for reassurance but I imagine some of them will just be early reveals anyway (Ridley and Pyra / Mythra come to mind).

 

[duchess-olive]

Actually now that I'm thinking on it, I want Octoling from Splatoon 2 and 3. Even as an Echo Fighter or a palette swap of Inkling.

What? Since I started Splatoon 3 when it first launched in September 2022, I've been an Octoling. If I'm going to start playing the series on the third installment, I may as well be the second species that was introduced as playable in 2.

 

[MBRedboy31]

The original BIT.TRIP games were generally too hard for me, but the Runner sequels and the Runner 1 remake were pretty cool.

How come nobody talks about the Runner 1 remake, anyway?

 

[BrawlX10]

Okay, so this is my prediction in when each character will be revealed. They're not ordered from most to least in each section. No, i don't think everyone will be back this is not a veteran return prediction list btw, i just tried to predict they reveal timing in case they return.
REVEAL:

EARLY:

MIDLE:
Mii
LATE:

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Okay, so this is my prediction in when each character will be revealed. They're not ordered from most to least in each section. No, i don't think everyone will be back this is not a veteran return prediction list btw, i just tried to predict they reveal timing in case they return.
REVEAL:

EARLY:

MIDLE:
Mii
LATE:

I think some that have been more commonly unlockable characters would probably be revealed after the game releases.

Notably Falco who has always been unlockable

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Okay, so this is my prediction in when each character will be revealed. They're not ordered from most to least in each section. No, i don't think everyone will be back this is not a veteran return prediction list btw, i just tried to predict they reveal timing in case they return.
REVEAL:

EARLY:

MIDLE:
Mii
LATE:

"Where is Banjo? Is he safe? Is he all right?"

 

[Dukefire]

I'd say either Shovel Knight, Shantae or Sans

All three of them at least have the benefit of being in Smash already in some capacity, just not as playable characters.

Those three have been at the frontlines for longest despite other indie characters taking the spotlight.
Sans: You are gonna have a bad time. A joking skeleton with Megalovania for his battle theme if Genocide route. Mii Costume and could be a ranged lightweight with serious damage from firepower.
Shantae: The Half Genie that has a long History with Nintendo before being available on all consoles with Half Genie Hero. Spirit and Mii Costume. Midweight all-rounder with transformations giving buffs to her stats.
Shovel Knight: This knight with a Shovel has appeared in many games as a gueststar. Even became an Assist Trophy and spirit from Yacht Club Games. Heavyweight with deceptive movement and various gear like how link fights.

 

[ninjahmos]

I actually think Commander Video in Smash would be pretty cool.

But...he's already in Fraymakers.

 

[dream1ng]

I think Sans is the one with the strongest balanced popularity both in Japan and the west.

I know people would also raise Reimu, but if you get off the internet most people don't even know what Touhou is, and the fact that nearly all the main series has gone unlocalized (officially) isn't going to impress Sakurai/Nintendo.

I'm gonna guess Sans' costume was also the best-selling, if they consider those metrics at all. I suspect he'd also do pretty well in a popularity contest against the others, even in the west where most of them derive their main demand.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I think it'd be pretty cool if they took the Brawl approach for the announcement/reveal trailer, and revealed 5-8 newcomers.

No thanks. I prefer the 4/Ultimate route, where every newcomer gets their own bespokely themed trailer.

The Rivals of Aether mod really sold me on the E.M.M.I.

It'd be far cooler to see in Smash to me than Raven Beak.

Hard disagree. EMMI is a perfect AT/Stage Hazard

Which indies do you think have the best chances of getting in? I see Quote, Cuphead, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Sans, Reimu, and Zagreus.

I don't think and indie will get to be a Fighter, but I think Shovel Knight or something Undertale have the best shot.

And I don't consider Shantae indie.

Now that has opened the flood gates, basically every third party franchise is in a spot similar to Nintendo franchises that weren’t Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon circa 2005.

It's time for Raiden, Zero, Alucard and Chun-Li!

Say, when after the next Smash Bros. is announced, do you all think we'll go back to the gradual reveals of characters like what was had in Brawl's Dojo site and Smash 4's main website during the development of the base game before its release?

No. Smash newcomer trailers are like the biggest events in gaming.

Still, if a series should get a character, it should be because that character is themselves worth including, and despite his one off nature, I feel like Raven Beak wouldn't really feel that out place on the roster

Despite only having one appearance, RB has a large footprint on the series, as Samus's "creator". He also represents the Chozo, a major part of Metroid's mythology.

So, aside from newcomers, what veterans do you think will be revealed to return when Smash 6 is announced?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

It's wild how much it feels like CommanderVideo has been memory-holed from history, like he got a ****ing Smash trophy and now I never hear about him anymore. I guess he's in Fraymakers though, that's something

That Rayman trophy in Smash 4 was a pretty huge rug pull, especially later on with how the Nintendo crossover with Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle was a thing by Ultimate's time...

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I think Sans is the one with the strongest balanced popularity both in Japan and the west.

I know people would also raise Reimu, but if you get off the internet most people don't even know what Touhou is, and the fact that nearly all the main series has gone unlocalized (officially) isn't going to impress Sakurai/Nintendo.

I'm gonna guess Sans' costume was also the best-selling, if they consider those metrics at all. I suspect he'd also do pretty well in a popularity contest against the others, even in the west where most of them derive their main demand.

Yeah, as much as I love Reimu and am a proponent for her getting into Smash, I don't think she's up there with like Sans, Shantae, and Zagreus.

I do think it's theoretically possible because Toby has connections with both Sakurai and ZUN and Undertale feels pretty likely to get something (so they could establish that connection at some point), and there have been a few games localized on the Switch (Sunken Fossil World and Antinomy of Common Flowers specifically, which were still made by ZUN though admittedly they're not the main shmups), but yeah, she's in my long-shot category for the reasons you mentioned basically lol

 

[dream1ng]

It's wild how much it feels like CommanderVideo has been memory-holed from history, like he got a ****ing Smash trophy and now I never hear about him anymore. I guess he's in Fraymakers though, that's something

Tbf he wasn't requested then either, the devs just gave Sakurai the asset for the trophy and got lucky that they actually included it during that era.

In regards to flavor of the month villains, I feel like limiting Metroid to its returning characters is basically just leaving Samus, Ridley, and the Prime Villains as possibilities (aside from ig Mother Brain).

Hence our current roster.

But it has four characters. It's doing fine.

Still, if a series should get a character, it should be because that character is themselves worth including, and despite his one off nature, I feel like Raven Beak wouldn't really feel that out place on the roster,

That's something anybody could say about any character they like.

especially given that roster rule just patently doesn't apply to franchises built around the concept of revolving casts. Metroid is sort of stuck in the middle of the two trends imo, given it both statically follows Samus as a Protag and still regularly cycles through Antagonists with little more than a handful of mainline appearances, Ridley being the obvious exception.

I think it applies even less to Zelda, and, like Metroid, Smash still treats that series closer to a "static cast" one than the likes of FE and Xenoblade.

Part of it might be that for Metroid and Zelda, the lead remains static (for the most part), even if most of the cast doesn't.

No. Smash newcomer trailers are like the biggest events in gaming.

For the vets. When they aren't all shown off right at the beginning.

Yeah, as much as I love Reimu and am a proponent for her getting into Smash, I don't think she's up there with like Sans, Shantae, and Zagreus.

I do think it's theoretically possible because Toby has connections with both Sakurai and ZUN and Undertale feels pretty likely to get something (so they could establish that connection at some point), and there have been a few games localized on the Switch (Sunken Fossil World and Antinomy of Common Flowers specifically, which were still made by ZUN though admittedly they're not the main shmups), but yeah, she's in my long-shot category for the reasons you mentioned basically lol

Fwiw Reimu seems like a good fit for a costume - you could also get a piece of music that way too. Assuming they handle those the same way again.