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Even if worst came to worst, Diddy wouldn't be cut. And even IF they'd go with one character a series, they'd work Diddy unto DK and base them off DKC Returns and Tropical Freeze.
Characters having an extra special move from the 4 (5 if Final Smashes count) would be cool.
Mario vs Sonic vs Terry vs Master Chief vs Crash or AstroBot (console maker reps)
Wha it meant was “characters’ special moves turning them in the opposite direction if they’re moving that way in the air long enough.”
Bayonetta was probably the highest ranking character they could snag at the time while saving the veterans, big fan requests and crazy third parties for Ultimate.
iirc Bayo was always said to be the winner among what was realizable for smash 4. that doesn't necessarily translate to overall winner, just that of what they could do realistically Bayonetta topped the list.
Even if we exclude all the meme-picks and 4th Party, i still don't think Sora was that popular to win even against all the other VG characters. Kingdom Hearts have never had that type of popularity.
I think in Bayonetta's case even at the time a lot of people didn't buy she was the winner and assumed she was the best they could get on hand, though I fully buy both Sora and Banjo winning the ballot.
what rock do you live under?
I do. Both Banjo and Sora were characters with strong bases dating back to Brawl, and were pipe dreams that people were often quite vocal about endorsing but generally unconfident in their odds. It's not hard to imagine and honestly the kinds of people who were participating in the Ballot in the first place were probably more dedicated fans. Mind that the Smash community wasn't quite as huge and active as it is now and the reigns were not completely off... Ultimate speculation was a whole other beast. I don't think many people even though of Steve at all back then. A Ballot run in 2019 would have been so incredibly different.
I was typing up a sincere answer to your question but now I'm convinced you're not really asking this in good faith. I don't even particularly like Kingdom Hearts, I actively didn't want Sora in the game at the time. But to deny that it has legitimate popularity is just completely out of touch, or you're trying to rile people up which I don't really feel like participating in.
I mean Kingdom Hearts of the one of the few IP's where its honestly hard to say if it has greater popularity in the US or Japan because the series is beloved in both regions its actually tricky to gauge where it's bigger. The fact that Sora's inclusion was so strongly embraced is proof about how wanted he and general KH inclusion in Smash was.
Sora is definitely that popular. Idk how old your are or for how long you've been part of Smash Bros. online discussions, but he was a pretty popular "never ever" pick back in the Smash 4 and Brawl days, it is completely belieable, also Sora was playable in SSF2, which was pretty popular at the time, i think SSF2 might have added a few votes from people that mained him in SSF2 back in the day as well.
Were you on the internet at all during the early-mid 2000's? Kingdom Hearts was ****ing everywhere, dude. And people still love it now.
No it would NOT.
Pfft no way it was Steve, he's nowhere near popular as an actual character and he was far too divisive overall to be THE number one in the ballot.
Tch...sounds like a skill issue
Conker does have an assumed association with Nintendo given his roots in Diddy Kong Racing, Pocket Tales on GBC, and an overall association with Banjo-Kazooie thus giving him a connection to DK and thus the company beyond that. Battletoads and Killer Instinct had a Nintendo presence (the latter even acting as a console exclusive to the SNES and N64) but they were out of sight out of mind for such a long time that Conker's even minimal impact in stuff like Live and Reloaded gave him a presence within Nintendo adjacent gaming culture, Smash included.
According to the Smash 4 DLC direct, she was number one in Europe alongside being top 5 in North America.
Minecraft was so popular around the time of the ballot that he probably placed highly although not necessarily top 10.
How about a shield special? Everyone but Inkling gets a new move, mechanics like switching Pokemon can be moved there so the three characters finally get Down Specials (rock smash my beloved). Counters could be moved there, Link could get hanglider without sacrificing another move, etc.
I'll make yo ass a skill issue!
Might be a good choice for casuals even with right stick flicking no one seems to wrap their head arround this very important move!
, , , and rounded out the remainder of the top 5.Yeah, people need to take into consideration that the ballot was made in like (i think?) April 2015 when talking about ballot-related stuff.Sora, Banjo, and Bayonetta ranking very well on the ballot makes a lot of sense given the state of speculation in early 2015:
My guess is some combination of
- People were generally more conservative about Third Parties being in Smash generally, with most people believing that they generally had to be massive, mainstream gaming icons and that a strong Nintendo connection was necessary (Snake being cut helped this perception). There was also a soft fan-rule of "one character per company", which may have harmed characters like Simon.
- Sakurai's Brawl-era interview regarding fighting game characters not fitting Smash would have stopped Ryu and Heihachi from gaining steam, in conjunction with the above expectation that a company could only have one character at a time.
- Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and Dragon Quest were all noted as popular requests by Sakurai in previous interviews (although only Castlevania was referenced in response to the ballot), but these are franchises without a clear, main protagonist. It's likely that intraseries competition reduced the popularity of characters like Simon, Cloud, and Slime.
- Ridley was popular, but a lot of people thought he was hopeless due to Sakurai's "too big" interview from time.
- Bandana Waddle Dee was popular, but he had more competition back before characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and the cut vets were added and it wasn't as clear if he would stick around as a playable character after RtDL.
- Kingdom Hearts was flying high on hype for 3. Sora being the obvious choice for the franchise and Dream Drop Distance being on the 3DS also resulted in votes not being split and the series having a strong Nintendo connection.
- Banjo & Kazooie were still thought as Nintendo characters that were estranged from the company due to Rare's buyout. This also would have been around the time that Phil Spencer started communicating a greater desire to collaborate with Nintendo, making them feel more realizable.
- Bayonetta 2 was only about a year old at the time of the ballot coming out and it was thought of as one of the Wii U's best games.
I still believe that among veterans, Snake and Wolf absolutely cleared the ballotSora, Banjo, and Bayonetta ranking very well on the ballot makes a lot of sense given the state of speculation in early 2015:
My guess is some combination of
- People were generally more conservative about Third Parties being in Smash generally, with most people believing that they generally had to be massive, mainstream gaming icons and that a strong Nintendo connection was necessary (Snake being cut helped this perception). There was also a soft fan-rule of "one character per company", which may have harmed characters like Simon.
- Sakurai's Brawl-era interview regarding fighting game characters not fitting Smash would have stopped Ryu and Heihachi from gaining steam, in conjunction with the above expectation that a company could only have one character at a time.
- Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and Dragon Quest were all noted as popular requests by Sakurai in previous interviews (although only Castlevania was referenced in response to the ballot), but these are franchises without a clear, main protagonist. It's likely that intraseries competition reduced the popularity of characters like Simon, Cloud, and Slime.
- Ridley was popular, but a lot of people thought he was hopeless due to Sakurai's "too big" interview from time.
- Bandana Waddle Dee was popular, but he had more competition back before characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and the cut vets were added and it wasn't as clear if he would stick around as a playable character after RtDL.
- Kingdom Hearts was flying high on hype for 3. Sora being the obvious choice for the franchise and Dream Drop Distance being on the 3DS also resulted in votes not being split and the series having a strong Nintendo connection.
- Banjo & Kazooie were still thought as Nintendo characters that were estranged from the company due to Rare's buyout. This also would have been around the time that Phil Spencer started communicating a greater desire to collaborate with Nintendo, making them feel more realizable.
- Bayonetta 2 was only about a year old at the time of the ballot coming out and it was thought of as one of the Wii U's best games.
Are you out of your mind?! Kingdom hearts was everywhere in it's debuting years!
There was also the fan rule related to 3rd Party characters having a big connection with Nintendo which affected the requests for Cloud and FF characters from 7 onwards in general. That’s presumably one of the reasons why characters from FF1 were more requested in some threads before Cloud was announced.Sora, Banjo, and Bayonetta ranking very well on the ballot makes a lot of sense given the state of speculation in early 2015:
My guess is some combination of
- People were generally more conservative about Third Parties being in Smash generally, with most people believing that they generally had to be massive, mainstream gaming icons and that a strong Nintendo connection was necessary (Snake being cut helped this perception). There was also a soft fan-rule of "one character per company", which may have harmed characters like Simon.
- Sakurai's Brawl-era interview regarding fighting game characters not fitting Smash would have stopped Ryu and Heihachi from gaining steam, in conjunction with the above expectation that a company could only have one character at a time.
- Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and Dragon Quest were all noted as popular requests by Sakurai in previous interviews (although only Castlevania was referenced in response to the ballot), but these are franchises without a clear, main protagonist. It's likely that intraseries competition reduced the popularity of characters like Simon, Cloud, and Slime.
- Ridley was popular, but a lot of people thought he was hopeless due to Sakurai's "too big" interview from time.
- Bandana Waddle Dee was popular, but he had more competition back before characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and the cut vets were added and it wasn't as clear if he would stick around as a playable character after RtDL.
- Kingdom Hearts was flying high on hype for 3. Sora being the obvious choice for the franchise and Dream Drop Distance being on the 3DS also resulted in votes not being split and the series having a strong Nintendo connection.
- Banjo & Kazooie were still thought as Nintendo characters that were estranged from the company due to Rare's buyout. This also would have been around the time that Phil Spencer started communicating a greater desire to collaborate with Nintendo, making them feel more realizable.
- Bayonetta 2 was only about a year old at the time of the ballot coming out and it was thought of as one of the Wii U's best games.
I’m of the opinion that the Nintendo connection still matters but isn’t the sole deciding factor. A strong Nintendo connection should give a bit of a boost to third party characters but the lack of one shouldn’t be disqualifying. If a character is popular enough with the general gaming audience or offers something really fun and unique to Smash, that lack of Nintendo connection should prevent them from joining Smash.
Bro have you ever talked to a teenager?
The only ones I'd add to the base game list are Bomberman, X, and Zero, with Proto Man as a potential echo. Altair is the sole figure missing from the DLC list, but that's subject to whatever happens with Ubisoft's incoming bankruptcy.
