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Yeah the problem with this logic is that most characters in this position are there because they're not gonna add them, but want to at least acknowledge their popularity. A lot of the more recent ones have a lot of merit to get in (Dante, Doom Slayer, etc.), but for the rest, they're probably doomed to always being considered, but always being rejected.
Sure but I don't know, I wouldn't define any of those as radical shifts.
I think the logic is that they were popular choices but didn’t make the cut for that particular game, likely due to limited development time and resources. Even though they couldn’t make it as playable at the time, Sakurai wanted to give those fans something. If nothing else, the fact that they made it in some way shows that they’re popular. Although there’s not really precedent to show that this popularity translates to a playable fighter later on, I would imagine they’re at least strong considerations due to that popularity.
I think that's better. More colorful = better.
Sakurai also stated once i believe around the Smash 4 time that "if we were to have a Tales rep it has to be Lloyd" or something like that, to back him up. (Unless i'm missremembering the interview, which is possible it's been 10+ years lol)
I think it was "who else, but Lloyd", although we are at a point where that opinion could easily have changed by now.
I think Isaac has still a chance as a throwback/retro rep or a popularity pick.
If they go that route, I'd prefer it have that cartoony blend like Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 (minus the booster course tracks), or Pokémon Scarlet/Violet's character models (but only the characters; the environments in that game just use flat textures, it's weird).
Nowaday 99% of games are realistic i would like nintnendo to stay away from that!
KRool Inkling Isabelle Little Mac Chrom, stop being wrong.And yet the number of times this lead anywhere could be counted on one finger when it comes to guests.
And it still ended up being someone else.
Golden was right to point out that this track record isn't anything too impressive related to guests / third party characters. While the likes of Chrom, Isabelle and King K. Rool initially received something of a consolation prize costume in Smash 4 before their inclusion in the following game, nearly every third party character added in Ultimate lacked this property. Not that it CAN'T happen, but it's not as consistent of a metric. DMC or DOOM getting costumes is theoretically a good thing but Ultimate was less interested in exploring some of its previous collabs than it was creating new ones. Tekken being the exception.
Yeah, i'd like them to re-visit the more realistic/gritty art style, altrough i'd like them to try a new art style as well.
No one was arguing that. It's just that being an Assist Trophy or Mii Costume is just evidence that they're being considered. It's not evidence that they'll ever be picked.
That's not how it works. It's not that they can't make third-parties that got Mii'd playable, it's just that they avoided it for whatever reason.
If you're going to be an asshole, at least learn some reading comprehension.
This whole discussion started with Lloyd, a guest.
As if that matters.
But it's not like the case history is particularly large, it's just Smash 4 to Ultimate.
Exact opposite of that. Flat cel-shading!
"3rd parties don't usually get this treatment."
I agree with this. I feel like trying to make games too photo-realistic can really take away its unique charm for me. Like Street Fighter VI just doesn’t look quite right. Final Fantasy and WarCraft gone towards photo-realistic visuals and they just don’t look quite as cool as when they were more stylized. Thats all just personal preference but that’s how I feel.
Yeah, they're trolling at this point. Best to just ignore."3rd parties don't usually get this treatment."
"You're wrong because of these first parties."
"I was talking about 3rd parties though."
"Doesn't matter."
THIS.
Isn’t this the point everyone is trying to make right now? I feel like this may have gotten misconstrued.
That's fair. It would still facilitate a look that isn't akin to a bowl of pudding. Like watching Marth speak reminds me of when Neo can't talk cause his mouth is melting shut it's kinda creepy looking lol
Having mii costumes shows support and acknowledgement of their wanted inclusion into the roster since most third party costumes are wanted characters
Unless you don’t care much about either one of those characters like me. They’re fine and I’d be happy for their fans but ballistic is about the farthest thing from my reaction. Either way, I’m only talking about myself and not trying to make some grand statement about the general reception as a whole.
That’s true and I do think there’s a persistent trend in the community of like, how could you be upset when they added x or y? I have a go with the flow attitude about it usually so I wasn’t mad, but DLC wasn’t totally my jam. I could appreciate all the huge and/or creative additions on their own but the only one I truly fell in love with was Terry and maybe Sephiroth.
Yeah, I do feel like they need to make some kind of effort to make the next game stand on its own if they do end up cutting a ton of characters but I’m confident they can manage to do that. It’s more a fear of losing my favorites than a general opposition to a smaller roster size. I just feel a lot of my personal favorites like Sephiroth would be low priority while many of the most popular options don’t particularly interest me. I’ll still almost definitely buy the game and have fun with it regardless, especially if they give us a substantial co-op mode.
Yeah I'll admit me not wanting to pay full price for a game I've already played that's barely changed (IE: MK8 Deluxe before the BCP) is something I'm projecting onto the general population, but it's not like there aren't people who indeed want more new content than a port or further DLC can provide. Just look at the GTA6 trailer's viewcount:
For the record, this was the point I was trying to make. Usually when I hear people use casual fans or a general audience as a cushion it’s to justify as little change as possible, because now apparently the only way to sell people on the game is through progressively bigger and bigger crossovers and not simple brand recognition and consumer trust for most.
I don’t want a port either. I totally agree that it feels like a waste of money having to pay full price for a game you already bought. There are a few possibilities that I would be really excited for though. The first is to use Ultimate as a starting point to build off of and add the same amount of new content a normal entry in the series would have without losing anything currently there.
I understand and agree with your point, but I do think GTA VI probably isn't a great example, it's a unique cirumstance. Like, GTA VI is probably going to become the most successful media release in human history lol.
you'll point and laugh at an ogre?Just imagine:
Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this, but better late than never.
"The ogre is in love with Waluigi and Master Chief!"
