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I agree with this. But I think some companies can match reps even if unintentional. Like, Sega, Capcom, Square Enix, and even Microsoft could probably have 5-6 characters each very easily.
Character/Prop summoning is undoubtedly the BIGGEST problem in smash fan movesets. People, you do realize you're building a moveset for how a character would fight, right? Not making them a walking clustertruck of things they did in their home series?
Yeah. It's such a pervasive problem in fan-made Smash movesets. It's so bad that this trend even crept into Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl.
Okay, I'm going to post this again:
Nobody is pushing for Android 21, nor do anybody think she has much of a chance. Just that she is eligible due to coming from a video game (which is a requirement to being in Smash) but that's not the same as saying she has a good chance and nobody has ever said that. That's why she was brought up, as she was a character that somebody wanted but pretty much has no chances to make it in Smash at all.
SEGA roster was also a lot to unpack in terms of issues so I might not have the time, energy, or memory to go as in-depth as I maybe could, but I do think both these rosters share the core problem of it just feeling like he doesn't really know what he's talking about. It's not as extreme as the SEGA roster where it felt like he was out of his depth with like 90% of the characters featured, but there is plenty of "welllll I don't know much about X, but I heard it's pretty great/I know a guy who really likes Y" and so on.
The funniest part is honestly how with chars like Diddy and Olimar he was all like "ooofffff ummmmmm ahhhhh i'm so sorry guys i'm gonna have to make tough cuts sometimes" but with Yoshi he was like, super standoffish and dismissive like "yeah we can cut Yoshi lol his games aren't that big he can be an assist". It's hilarious
I've come to accept that NASB's case is a little different, because creating a moveset for a cartoon character is different than creating a moveset for a videogame character, but I still think they go overboard with the references instead of finding a healthy medium
No the issue here is that Thorgi doesn't actually let the characters shine in their own right.
I'm a fighting game buff, and I don't appreciate the implication that I'm ignorant about a topic I'm this passionate about.
There are definitely characters prop where summoning fits like Villager and G&W, it just needs to be done tactfully. Some people think most characters could get away with summoning props which just isn't true.
It's the "Good Moveset = Cram as much references as possible" approach. Not really creative at all
His speech on how "Ultimate's roster can never be topped outside, It's impossible, let's not bother, Let's get weird etc" from the start tells you how this is going to go. Typical Fan-Roster but it got me think.
Absolutely. Ultimate's roster has a lot of filler so right off the bat there's a lot of fat you could trim. From that point its a matter with balancing the old with the new. I wouldn't go as overboard with cutting vets as Thorgi did but there's definitely a good chunk I could and many others could live without. I'd promise really difficult cuts to return as DLC later with reworks.
The Horror one’s really good, the TMNT one is fine with some issues, MVC4 was somewhat dodgy, all the other “Smash-like” ones were okay to my memory, Mega Man, Castlevania, SF VS MK, CVS3 were okay. I think this Smash one, MVC4, and One Piece (as far as I know) were the ones he fumbled on, really.
Coming from a One Piece fan, I think he did the series justice, with a few exceptions. The movie characters, and especially Hody Jones are baffling picks when this series has so many other big characters he left off.
not all of them
No she isn't she's a dragon ball character owned by dragon balls owners. The problem isn't that she is a videogame originated character the problem is she is a dragon ball owned character which is not a video game originated IP/franchise
hmm if only yoshi had some sort of... wider influence in the overall Mario series? perhaps if he debuted as a major character in Mario's series, maybe during the SNES era... or even continued to be a mainstay in the franchise from there on with the likes of Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Toad...
And he’s a beloved major character from the Mario franchise?
You're too detatched to Yoshi. After all, you want him to stay forever and ever.
Wooly world was great
Yoshi's Island
Zinith
on you.
According to Sakurai?
Alex Kidd is cute as a little piece of Sega history, but if he got in over bigger Sega IPs (Puyo Puyo, Yakuza, Shin Megami Tensei) or more interesting / dynamic characters from lesser franchises (NiGHTS, Jet Set Radio, Streets of Rage), I would be pretty underwhelmed.
I can understand that. He definitely works better in SEGA's own crossover games.
I may be misremembering, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have as much to work with for that one.
It's probably why Microsoft has decided to support Smash instead of making a platform fighter of their own.
I wouldn't mind it. Even if it's currently inactive, Virtua Fighter is still a pretty major series and I enjoy some of the games in the series myself. I don't think Akira should keep the 3D retro look, though. He should definitely go with his VF5 look. Maybe the retro look could be an alternate costume.
Given why Kazuya was picked over Heihachi, I dunno. VF is grounded enough that there's no wings Akira can grow that can work as his up-B.
