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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

BritishGuy54

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Not to be a nitpicking Nathan, but Animal Crossing was not new by 2014.
I think it was more along the lines of ‘recently popular’ IP. Animal Crossing had been around since the GameCube, but it only seemed to become BIG by the 3DS with New Leaf.

It’s funny how the same thing happened to Fire Emblem when it made the jump to the 3DS.
 

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I think it was more along the lines of ‘recently popular’ IP. Animal Crossing had been around since the GameCube, but it only seemed to become BIG by the 3DS with New Leaf.

It’s funny how the same thing happened to Fire Emblem when it made the jump to the 3DS.
Exactly.
 

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I think it was more along the lines of ‘recently popular’ IP. Animal Crossing had been around since the GameCube, but it only seemed to become BIG by the 3DS with New Leaf.

It’s funny how the same thing happened to Fire Emblem when it made the jump to the 3DS.
It was already on its way to becoming BIG with Wild World, New Leaf just cemented it. That and by the time NL was in development...Sakurai finally found out how to make Villager work.
 

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What would everyone think of Dragaux instead of the Trainee themselves? I personally think his design is a lot more interesting and he’s an actual character instead of another nameless avatar. The player character would feel a bit samey in theme to me as Wii Fit Trainer even if the actual attacks themselves are very different.
Eh, I think I'd be disappointed.

The main appeal of the Ring Fit Adventure protagonist would be Ring who'd accompany them for me - who is a more interesting character than Dragaux imo. He can have a unique moveset I guess but I'd be more invested in the abilities you gain along the way.
 

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It could. If Rathalos can also be an AT, he could easily be a Smash Run encounter.

Smash Run even has those challenge doors which would be ideal for Boss encounters.
The problem with Rathalos is that it's most likely too massive for Smash Run, seeing as it's unable to be summoned as an AT on a good number of stages in Ultimate. HOWEVER, instead of making the boss fight a challenge door thing like Break the Targets, boss fights could be a Final Battle like Multi-Man Smash and Vs. Enemy Team, with player ranking based on who beats the boss fastest.
 

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Eh, I think I'd be disappointed.

The main appeal of the Ring Fit Adventure protagonist would be Ring who'd accompany them for me - who is a more interesting character than Dragaux imo. He can have a unique moveset I guess but I'd be more invested in the abilities you gain along the way.
Fair enough. I’ve never played the game so I’m just going off their visual design. The trainer is a bit boring to me both in aesthetic and as a second fitness rep but I do understand that they represent the mechanics of the game better than the villain. Maybe their moveset can win me over even if their design doesn’t particularly appeal to me as much.
 

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I think it was more along the lines of ‘recently popular’ IP. Animal Crossing had been around since the GameCube, but it only seemed to become BIG by the 3DS with New Leaf.

It’s funny how the same thing happened to Fire Emblem when it made the jump to the 3DS.
Going by the same logic, Samus will be our new successful IP character in the next Smash.
 

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What would everyone think of Dragaux instead of the Trainee themselves? I personally think his design is a lot more interesting and he’s an actual character instead of another nameless avatar. The player character would feel a bit samey in theme to me as Wii Fit Trainer even if the actual attacks themselves are very different.
As much as I love Dragaux as a character, I think he’d be better as a boss due to his sheer size.
 

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As much as I love Dragaux as a character, I think he’d be better as a boss due to his sheer size.
I just Googled his height and yeah, you’re right. You don’t really get a sense of his size but just the character image alone. I assumed he was roughly similar to Zangief’s size just by looking at him.
 
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Let's try changing the subject...again.

What third party, Japanese only characters would you like to see as playables in the next Smash Bros. if they were to get in?
Absolutely KICKING the heck out of myself for replying to this so late, but...

Donbe and Hikari
Lip
Saki
Doshin/Jashin
Hiro and/or Satoru (Card Hero)
DeMille
Sato Amatsubo
Naomi Moriha
Ayumi Tachibana
Takamaru
Diskun
Kururin
Tamagon
Prince Sable
Goku and Chao
Sukapon
Dion, Max, and Jack
Hakkun
Barbara the Bat
Ouendan and/or Ouendan Cheerleaders
Warrior Mech Gauss
Aisya
Welt
Captain Rainbow
Frey and Freya
Kageshina Kurabe
Daitoryo
Mini-Kangaroo
Sheriff
Pockle
Kurikin protagonists
Parabo and Satebo

And more I'm sure I'm probably forgetting...

Like I've mentioned, I'm someone who's very fond of Nintendo's characters, so I'm good with anyone they decide to add.

I would love Pyrosphere back. Just remove the Ridley boss battle (he's playable anyways) and it becomes an amazing stage.

Heck with hazards off, it's a phenomenal stage.
Ah yes, my favorite stage; Photosphere!

(Also, you could probably get around the stage boss gimmick by replacing Ridley with a new model of Mecha Ridley that more closely mimics Other M Ridley's body shape and animations)
Same here. Honestly, it throws me to realize that nearly all of the Smash 4 stages that I'd actually enjoyed got cut from Ultimate (Pyrosphere, Orbital Gate, Jungle Hijinx, Rainbow Road).

Guys, I've come to a horrible realization.

For all the songs featured in Smash Ultimate. It's somehow missing the main opening theme from Smash Wii U. It has every other opening but not Smash Wii U

I hope the next Smash Bros game fixes this atrocious mistake
At the risk of being the "Um, aktshtually" guy here...

Uh... actually, Smash 4's theme DID make into Ultimate. Smash 4's Battlefield theme IS Smash 4's theme song, played in full.
 

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Absolutely KICKING the heck out of myself for replying to this so late, but...

Donbe and Hikari
Lip
Saki
Doshin/Jashin
Hiro and/or Satoru (Card Hero)
DeMille
Sato Amatsubo
Naomi Moriha
Ayumi Tachibana
Takamaru
Diskun
Kururin
Tamagon
Prince Sable
Goku and Chao
Sukapon
Dion, Max, and Jack
Hakkun
Barbara the Bat
Ouendan and/or Ouendan Cheerleaders
Warrior Mech Gauss
Aisya
Welt
Captain Rainbow
Frey and Freya
Kageshina Kurabe
Daitoryo
Mini-Kangaroo
Sheriff
Pockle
Kurikin protagonists
Parabo and Satebo

And more I'm sure I'm probably forgetting...

Like I've mentioned, I'm someone who's very fond of Nintendo's characters, so I'm good with anyone they decide to add.
They meant Third Party characters.


Who's Nathan? Nathan Drake? I support Uncharted for Smash! :054:
The kid from Yo-Kai Watch, i guess.
 
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As much as I love Dragaux as a character, I think he’d be better as a boss due to his sheer size.
You're just jealous of his bulk, bro. 😤

Jk


Actually, speaking of bulk, a character I think would be fun to see but would never happen (and doesn't NEED to because it's not like there aren't existing platform fighters out there with him already)

 
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....how are actual sex scenes less?
...Please tell me you don't think series who's first game has graphic violence and gratuitous maiming, just-about-outright nudity and/or provocative sexuality are more okay than a series who's first game has the most basic of basic sex scenes that never returned for remasters or future games.

Please don't be one of those people who think it's okay for the big name fighting game with bodily massacring as a selling point to be in Smash because they can tone it down since one of it's famous characters was in games that didn't have those in(And just to make it clear, I'm not against Scorpion or Sub-Zero appearing in Smash.), but it's not okay for the multi-genre series that takes out it's sex scenes from the remasters of the first game to be in and has never brought them back for future media/games.

We have games represented in Smash Bros. that have had official art made by hentai artists. Fate/Stay Night having hentai scenes that never returned should be a non-issue if Nintendo is okay with hentai artists making official art of their characters.
The problem with Rathalos is that it's most likely too massive for Smash Run, seeing as it's unable to be summoned as an AT on a good number of stages in Ultimate. HOWEVER, instead of making the boss fight a challenge door thing like Break the Targets, boss fights could be a Final Battle like Multi-Man Smash and Vs. Enemy Team, with player ranking based on who beats the boss fastest.
The Clubberskull or the Lurchthorn in Smash Run are just as big if not bigger than Rathalos. Rathalos can definitely fit as a mini-boss, Challenge Boss, etc on Smash Run.
 
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DarthEnderX

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HOWEVER, instead of making the boss fight a challenge door thing like Break the Targets, boss fights could be a Final Battle like Multi-Man Smash and Vs. Enemy Team, with player ranking based on who beats the boss fastest.
I'd actually prefer it if Smash Runs always just ended with a 4 player battle.
 

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I think MGS is a testament to what is possible in Smash. It's clear that just because it exists does not mean it's a non starter. MGS has torture in multiple scenes and as an actual thing you have to play through (even if you "give up" you're still playing the scene) as well as multiple characters being tortured and even the big R is involved. Fate is fine for Smash just I think it's been a low priority for Sakurai to entertain the idea. Maybe that changes now.
 

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Hey everyone ♡ As you can see, I'm new to the boards!

A lot of recent news seem to be quietly implying that a Smash game is in its early stages of development, so I thought I'd get speculating! These boards seems to be the only place where people seriously talk about this stuff, so I'm looking forward to speculating w/ y'all!
 

Ivander

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If there's anything that could potentially affect Fate's appearance in Smash Bros, it's that Fate has become more multimedia in general rather than a video game-focused series. While two of it's most known entries are video games, being Fate/Stay Night itself and Fate/Grand Order which is one of the top grossing mobile games of all time, alot of it's other popular content are anime and manga/novel entries. And since Sakurai tends to focus more on video game-focused series, he might see Fate as a lower priority compared to other more video-game focused series.
Hey everyone ♡ As you can see, I'm new to the boards!

A lot of recent news seem to be quietly implying that a Smash game is in its early stages of development, so I thought I'd get speculating! These boards seems to be the only place where people seriously talk about this stuff, so I'm looking forward to speculating w/ y'all!
Hey, welcome to the boards!
 
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Hey everyone ♡ As you can see, I'm new to the boards!

A lot of recent news seem to be quietly implying that a Smash game is in its early stages of development, so I thought I'd get speculating! These boards seems to be the only place where people seriously talk about this stuff, so I'm looking forward to speculating w/ y'all!
Welcome to the boards :)! It’s always great to have a new face and a fresh perspective around here. I hope you enjoy your time.
 

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Hey everyone ♡ As you can see, I'm new to the boards!

A lot of recent news seem to be quietly implying that a Smash game is in its early stages of development, so I thought I'd get speculating! These boards seems to be the only place where people seriously talk about this stuff, so I'm looking forward to speculating w/ y'all!
Welcome to the boards.

Just remember.

Once you're here. You're here forever.
 

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Uh... actually, Smash 4's theme DID make into Ultimate. Smash 4's Battlefield theme IS Smash 4's theme song, played in full.
The battlefield skip completely skips that epic buildup and while I'd need to cross check, I feel other parts of the song are different to
 

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Which characters does everyone think are the top runners this time around?
 

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...Please tell me you don't think series who's first game has graphic violence and gratuitous maiming, just-about-outright nudity and/or provocative sexuality are more okay than a series who's first game has the most basic of basic sex scenes that never returned for remasters or future games.

Please don't be one of those people who think it's okay for the big name fighting game with bodily massacring as a selling point to be in Smash because they can tone it down since one of it's famous characters was in games that didn't have those in(And just to make it clear, I'm not against Scorpion or Sub-Zero appearing in Smash.), but it's not okay for the multi-genre series that takes out it's sex scenes from the remasters of the first game to be in and has never brought them back for future media/games.
Would you calm down? I never said it wasn't ok for Fate to be in Smash so why are you getting so worked up over the hypothetical notion that Nintendo could potentially find issue in representing a series with ties to porn in their crossover game?

I actually have no problem myself with Fate in Smash even if I find Saber herself boring as Hell and would prefer Shirou being the fighter while able to summon Saber to attack.

And for what it's worth, I see a potential issue on Nintendo's end when it comes to Mortal Kombat too, so no need to act like I'm personally singling Fate out just to spite you.

I'm just looking from a realistic standpoint that the eroge aspect could be (and I repeat, COULD BE; not definitely would be) a potential obstacle regardless of how many times you want to scream in my face that "the porn is tame and not in re-releases".

We have games represented in Smash Bros. that have had official art made by hentai artists. Fate/Stay Night having hentai scenes that never returned should be a non-issue if Nintendo is okay with hentai artists making official art of their characters.
Having series that have used artists with a history of NSFW works outside the context of the series is not the same as having a series that literally has had NSFW work present in the game itself.

It shouldn't have to be explained what the degree of separation is here.


If you're going to be this angry and irrational over the idea that there could be an issue present then I'm dropping the conversation here.
 
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Would you calm down? I never said it wasn't ok for Fate to be in Smash so why are you getting so worked up over the hypothetical notion that Nintendo could potentially find issue in representing a series with ties to porn in their crossover game?

I actually have no problem myself with Fate in Smash even if I find Saber herself boring as Hell and would prefer Shirou being the fighter while able to summon Saber to attack.

And for what it's worth, I see a potential issue on Nintendo's end when it comes to Mortal Kombat too, so no need to act like I'm personally singling Fate out just to spite you.

I'm just looking from a realistic standpoint that the eroge aspect could be (and I repeat, COULD BE; not definitely would be) a potential obstacle regardless of how many times you want to scream in my face that "the porn is tame and not in re-releases".



Having series that have used artists with a history of NSFW works outside the context of the series is not the same as having a series that literally has had NSFW work present in the game itself.

It shouldn't have to be explained what the degree of separation is here.


If you're going to be this angry and irrational over the idea that there could be an issue present then I'm dropping the conversation here.
I mean it was only in the very first game and the series has completely abandoned that aspect of the series since then.
 

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I mean it was only in the very first game and the series has completely abandoned that aspect of the series since then.
A. Not true. There's been at least hollow ataraxia off the top of my head and I don't really feel like digging deeper into how much porn is there.

B. Repeating that it isn't a factor in the series anymore doesn't add a rebuttal to my point that it still existed in the first place and could still be an issue.
 
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Gengar84

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Which characters does everyone think are the top runners this time around?
Characters I feel are the most likely:

Octoling
Ring Fit Trainee
Waluigi
Geno
Meowscarada
Ryu Hyabusa
Alear
Officer Howard
Crash
Bomberman
Eggman
Noah and Mio
Lloyd

Characters that I personally want to see most:

The Battletoads
Magus
Fulgore
Illidan
Kerrigan
Jinx
Xemnas
Bill Rizer
H’aanit
Alphen and Shionne
Zegram
Sub-Zero
Zero
Lu Bu
 

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A. Not true. There's been at least hollow ataraxia off the top of my head and I don't really feel like digging deeper into how much porn is there.

B. Repeating that it isn't a factor anymore doesn't add a rebuttal to my point that it still existed in the first place and could still be an issue.
I think what people are saying to varying degrees are that if it wasn't an issue for Bayo or Snake, it can't be an issue for Saber either unless we agree that doing so would be both illogical and inconsistent. Which is actually totally possible because Nintendo is rife with example of then being both lol.
 

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Them and the four mii costume characters that were specified as highly requested by Samurai himself. Shantae, Lloyd Irving, Dante, and Dragonborn.
Try not to double post, you can just edit the original post with anything else you want to add. Not to backseat mod here but trying to warn you ahead of time.

Which characters does everyone think are the top runners this time around?
Octoling, Tom Nook, Waluigi and Chun-Li.

Special mention to an additional Splatoon character if Octoling is a clone, and something Ring Fit related (Trainee or Dragaux) since it's one of the only notable new Nintendo IPs to have sprung up recently and seen major success. Isaac is starting to feel more plausible to me too - I'm not hedging my bets on him entirely yet, but things look pretty decent. Won't mention anything Pokemon since we plausibly haven't even seen the one they would add yet.

Outside of Chun-Li (the one I'm banking on the most) I think any combination of an additional Sonic character, Ryu Hayabusa, Arle, Monster Hunter or Sans are in a pretty good spot. I'm personally just talking about base game, for what it's worth.
 
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I think what people are saying to varying degrees are that if it wasn't an issue for Bayo or Snake, it can't be an issue for Saber either unless we agree that doing so would be both illogical and inconsistent. Which is actually totally possible because Nintendo is rife with example of then being both lol.
And to that, I ask you to show me where explicit on-screen sex was in any Metal Gear or Bayonetta.

Otherwise, the only inconsistency is the comparisons.
 
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Thanks for the welcome guys :D

I've noticed a trend when it comes to newcomers in every Smash game, and especially Ultimate. It's been briefly touched upon here, but most newcomers each time had significant content in the series before their playable roles. In fact, every single base first party newcomer in Ultimate had significant content in SSB4. So our newcomers for next round may be hiding in plain sight.

This is why I think Knuckles is a likelier Sonic character than someone like Tails, or why Doom Slayer may edge out Master Chief as a FPS newcomer.
 

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Hey everyone ♡ As you can see, I'm new to the boards!

A lot of recent news seem to be quietly implying that a Smash game is in its early stages of development, so I thought I'd get speculating! These boards seems to be the only place where people seriously talk about this stuff, so I'm looking forward to speculating w/ y'all!
Welcome! Not to die, as Magneto would say, but to Smashboards.

Hope you enjoy it here!
 

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And to that, I ask you to show me where explicit on-screen sex was in any Metal Gear or Bayonetta.

Otherwise, the only inconsistency is the comparisons.
Haven't played Bayonetta so can't really speak to it. MGS2 has the famous "oh face" thing of you go into a locker with a poster of Konami Girl and ... Pretend to .. ya know... Haha I can't be too explicit on the board it it's definitely one of the reasons the game is rated M even if it's meant to be more a joke than not. Also I think the actual level of eroticism in the original Fate game is a bit overstated nowadays.
 

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Subject matter aside, I really don't see Fate or Saber being something Nintendo has a whole lot of incentive to pursue in Smash anyway. But it's always a little hard to justify my feelings behind statements like this other than "I'm just not feeling it". Just think we can make stronger connections out of the characters we've gotten thus far that don't especially translate over to adding Saber.

This is why I think Knuckles is a likelier Sonic character than someone like Tails, or why Doom Slayer may edge out Master Chief as a FPS newcomer.
Respectfully disagree on Master Chief just since this doesn't seem to extend toward brand new third party IPs, I believe the only third party with a link to Smash prior to their inclusion was Kazuya, and that's only by extension through the Heihachi Mii Costume. Not to say Doom Slayer is necessarily unlikely, but I feel like the precedent for this is not quite set in stone. On the other hand though, we did see a lot of this with first party costumes like Chrom, K. Rool, Isabelle, Inkling... so maybe the likes of Isaac, Ashley, Skull Kid and so forth may be more indicative.

I do think you have a case to make for Knuckles though, since his inclusion as an AT may have been a nod to his popularity similar to Isaac's return and the inclusion of Krystal or Bomberman. Sonic already had an AT, so it feels more like a deliberate choice to bring in a fan favorite character without adding him to the roster. At least that's something I've been resonating on a bit, since I've been staunchly believing they would add Tails first up til recently.
 
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