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And I was only a freshmen in high school when this came out
Honestly, they probably were anyway. Reusing assets is a huge part of game development, no matter how immediately obvious it is.
You're not proposing a normal reuse of assets though. Zelda's animations have a lot of Peach's DNA in them, and Ness was actually initially built off Mario's skeleton. I'm aware that this is done. What you're though suggesting is an even more blatant and "corner-cutty" repurposing of assets, in an effort to save time/money, as some sort of parallel to the BCP. And I'm letting you know that in this case, it just won't work.
I'm not shunning it. I know that many fighters reuse others' animations, without necessarily being copy and paste jobs. Bayonetta was built off ZSS, and Piranha Plant was built off Bowser Jr. iirc, and those characters have next to nothing in common! But Guynamednelson's idea is not suggesting that; because that is already in the game. What he's proposing is to Frankenstein a couple movesets (with lower cost & time spent) and throw them in as extra content.
One can argue that it was much easier to simply import assets with little time given from Smash 4 to Ultimate because the development team immediately began Ultimate development. But this time, the team should be given enough time to reconsider characters that missed the boat. I know so far precedence is that most third party fighters in Ultimate had no content in Smash 4.
If we are talking about if reusing things should be done, I don't think it is a big deal.
Wouldn’t Kris make more sense if we’re going to represent Undertale? Its ongoing sequel would be perfect advertisement, imo. Either/or being playable would be fantastic because we get more Toby Fox music
This was probably the best they could have done given how niche his game is.
It'd be in the form of tweaking models that already exist, I guess.
I mean, they could have done as much as they wanted. There’s no defined barrier of entry. They just barely had enough space for the six new characters they added to begin with, so Isaac presumably wasn’t as high a priority.
I cant help it if the only characters left that i want fall into the niche category of games lol
Smash caters to niches all the time, it’s just not a very good descriptor for why a character or a series is in a bad spot on its own. Granted, Ultimate’s base roster went for mass appeal through the latest (Inkling / Isabelle) and greatest (Ridley / K. Rool) hits, but I think that boils down to Isaac’s lack of contemporary presence and maybe just lagging behind in popularity compared to the big boys.
Means something. That's why we'd expect Ring Fit Adventure and Astral Chain over Labo and Sushi Striker.
First of all, K. Rool isn't niche. He's dormant. The DKC trilogy, Donkey Kong Land trilogy, and DK64 together have sold close to 40 million copies. That's not niche. Yes the audience erodes over time, but the DK series itself has continued, helping maintain engagement, even if without K. Rool.
Im not gatekeeping anything.
Eh, not necessarily. Some Spirits only have the ratings they have because they're early in WoL, are dungeon bosses, etc. I doubt James McCloud is a potential candidate for a Star Fox fighter for example.
I'm curious how many characters hit the bingo on all three of those roles
Isaac, if you count DD Isaac as him having a 4 star spirit.
I know Skull Kid too but how many others?
Ashley and the Black Knight.
: Punch-Out!! for the Wii happened between Brawl and when For's design document was drafted, reviving the series (albeit temporarily; I guarantee Mac wouldn't be in now if he didn't get in For).: Literally didn't exist when For's design document was drafted, so she COULDN'T have been picked for For as a fighter to begin with. But since the design document, New Leaf had been released and Isabelle became one of the faces of Animal Crossing if not the face.: Only got in because Echoes were a thing for Ultimate and happened to have demand from the Ballot to warrant the idea. 's gimmick).
This is a fair point, I'd almost argue being an Assist Trophy for multiple games in a row with nothing new to your name would be more detrimental than anything, like your role in Smash has been solidified. Same can be said for multi game Mii CostumesControversial thing to say, but people really oversell how having an Assist role helps for the future.
If anything, it's the opposite. The ratio of Assist to playable fighter is downright abysmal if you actually do the math.
Out of 48 Assists that have been in Brawl or For, only 3 have made the jump. And the ratio is only going to get worse when we factor in Ultimate's new ones once the next game is out.
And the three that have happened were extraneous cases.
I'm not including Charizard in this because if I did, the ratio would be much worse factoring in all the Pokémon that didn't become fighters (as Charizard is literally the only one and it was as part of
The Waluigi shade
Hate to say it, but yeah. Obviously it's not a death sentence, Ridley was able to overcome being a boss two games in a row. But it's not doing him any favoursThe Waluigi shade
Look. I've been wanting Waluigi since May of 2006 when Wario was revealed. I'll be one of the first to say that his odds aren't that great and people grossly overestimate his likelihood just because he had a memetic uproar after his Assist reveal for Ultimate.The Waluigi shade
I think a lot went into what star rank your spirit would get. It certainly isn't just about popularity, in universe role definitely played a part. Not sure I agree with the sentiment that they're low stars because they're encountered early on, I think it's more likely they're encountered early on because they're low stars. But there are definitely popular low star spirits and unfeasible 4 star spirits
Dante is pretty likely because Capcom is often easy to work with, but I wouldn't say he's the most likely. Especially with him competing with a whole bunch of other notable Capcom characters and IPs. Chun-Li, Zero, possibly another Classic Megaman character like Dr. Wily or Roll, Monster Hunter and Resident Evil.
4-star spirits are usually either "mythological" figures in their own series, characters with overpowered capabilities / tough boss battles, or just straight-up popular characters.
For what it's worth...
Yes. Constantly. It is one of the many gates we keep.
That's 6.25%. That's a hell of a lot higher than the % of non-Assist characters that have been promoted to playable Fighters. If you actually do the math.
And the ratio becomes even higher if you remove stuff like Andross, Devil, a random Metroid, the Nintendog, Dr. Wright, the Lakitu sprite and all the others who couldn't really work as a fighter anyways.
To be fair, the ratio does get better if you factor out a pretty sizeable portion of the ATs which are clearly not going to become fighters.
Of this list, I think the one being slept on the most may be Squid Sisters. Sure, people always look at Octolings as the next Splatoon rep via echo, but if they're looking to give Splatoon a second unique rep, I reckon one way or another we'll see Squid Sisters playable
It's certainly a possibility. I think it may depend on what Sakurai wants to do with Octoling; we could get unique Octoling or we could get Echo Octoling + someone else unique. Even in the latter scenario, there is other competition such as DJ Octavio, so I'm not banking on playable Squid Sisters, but yeah they're a little slept on as candidates.
