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Idk man that's what people said about SwoShi before cutting half of the roster.
Something tells me that it was part of the reason why Hero is DLC, not just Sugiyama.
Mostly copyright, and even then it’s only really a problem with Square Enix (moreso Sugiyama).
What about Konami? Wasn't there issues between Nintendo and them which was why Snake was absent from Sm4sh?
Yeah, but that was a long time ago. Konami has a whole bunch of content across the board in Ultimate so I don't see why they'd become an issue again going forward.
My guess is that Hero would be impossible unless Sugiyama was uh...not a thing. He's the whole reason why Hero is DLC in the first place.
It depends on if it's considered a new project or not. Which is difficult to say right off the bat: on one hand, it's pretty much the same game as you said - on the other, it's on a different console and could effectively be seen as a "contract extension" of sorts.
No, I think it was a different reason. IIRC, it was because realistic firearms weren’t allowed when Sm4sh’s base roster was being made.
Snake doesn't have realistic firearms...Or did it expand to more than just guns from Brawl until now?
There's also all the other assorted third party content, not just fighters.
I just heard of Konami being kinda stingy or something like Square which is why I asked.
Those companies have good relationships with Nintendo, otherwise we wouldn’t have as much of the third-party content as we do now.
We dint even know if there’ll even for sure be a next Smash, let alone what the roster’s like.
There will be. Smash is too profitable to end.
Another thing to consider though is whether the relationship between the companies and the resulting negotiations change in the coming years. As we've seen with companies like SE in the N64 era or Konami in the mid-2010s sometimes things go sour between or within the companies that make them harder to work with and that can affect what happens with negotiations. If something goes south with even one of them then we may lose multiple characters outright and there's not much Sakurai can do to change that.
Smash is too big and popular for it to end but given Ultimate I'd rather they just keep porting it as it'll never be topped.
While we don't know if there'll be a next one, Nintendo has very likely a lot of interest in keeping the series going. Consider past entries' sales:
Not really. There’s new characters joining the fray and can see some old modes from previous games returning
Snake didn't have realistic firearms in Brawl. Project M gave him a tranquilizer gun, but Brawl stuck to explosives, seemingly to avoid realistic firearms.
I don't think that will happen. Sakurai himself even implied that Everyone Is Here may never happen again.
A port of Ultimate isn't going to cut half the roster...you might lose a couple characters to licensing and that's about it.
May, not will. This was before the game even released, and the sales numbers were phenomenal - it’s currently THE HIGHEST SELLING FIGHTING GAME OF ALL TIME.
I can't see them just porting Ultimate forever. Eventually, they will have to downsize.
Sakurai said the decision to make a Hero a DLC fighter came down to the dollars and cents of working with Sugiyama. It really seemed that everyone, including Square, was on board to make Hero a base game fighter. Sugiyama just wanted too much money to make that a feasible option.
Sugiyama will always be an obstacle for an Ultimate rerelease, but it's definitely not impossible to get around him. Maybe everything in Hero's pack except the music is in the base game, while the music is a day 1 DLC? I know it's not preferable, but it is a solution with some upsides. Sugiyama is out of the way, those who don't want to support him don't have to, and a separate DLC pack could even create enough revenue to justify licensing orchestral music.
Changing relationships between publishers is always a factor, but I still wouldn't necessarily worry about that. Nintendo has really pulled out all of their cards to build bridges between themselves in the publishers in Smash during the Switch era. Their third party relations haven't been this good since the SNES.
When you said total trash heap, Sonic Forces just INSTANTLY came to mind. I mean, sure, Infinite was a cool villain (he's not the best, far from it, but he's still good), but everything else about Forces was utter garbage.
I talked about this before but I think Shinya Kumazaki, the current director of the Kirby series could probably pull off a really good Smash Bros game. Heck Kirby star allies is a pseudo Smash Bros in of itself.
Ya know, the main reason why I surport fan rules, because with Nintendo and Sakurai, they always have to pull a catch / gotcha
You must be really desperate to dunk on Forces because this was the most unrelated reply to a post I've ever seen.
And didn't Sakurai say 4 might be his last rodeo? Because, well, look where we are now.
