Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Knight Dude]

I know RE is probably isn't gonna happen. But hey, I'd still be down for Jill or Leon and so on.

 

[Deleted member]

Well I've been a fan of Pokemon for my entire life and in that whole time I've noticed a shift in how they are designed, the best examples are looking at the starters, in the earlier generations they looked like, you know. Beasts, monsters that you could easily imagine existing in a fictional natural environment that is Pokemon. And somewhere along the line this was shifted to where at least one of them looked like a guy in a mascot costume.

And this also applies to other Pokemon, the reason I don't like Linoone's evolved form is because I feel like it clashes aesthetically with the first two forms, since the first two forms come from a different era where

That’s a fair stance to take ngl. The way I see it though.. is that experimenting with designs is a good thing. Pokemon as a whole has been sticking to the tried and true throught the main games since Gen 1, and while the spin offs did try new things they often were sidelined by the main games, and frankly the same old “do all 8 gyms/trials in this order, +x hours of story” is getting pretty old to me. And while theirs still a decent chunk of monster looking pokemon for those that want that kinda team, the devs willingness to try new designs(especially for legendarys, my god Eterantus looks badass in his second phase) is a small step in the right direction to me.

 

[SharkLord]

Pokemon needs a piranha plant, something truly unexpected and weird. I like stuff like Pokken tossing in Chandelure, a popular pokemon that nevertheless was just not on the radar at all to be in a fighting game.

It's why I wanted Primarina over Incineroar. A mermaid fighting with bubbles was just all kinds of different. For this game do something bonkers like Corviknight: a popular, recognizable pokemon that no one in their right mind would assume would make sense in Smash.

Appletun. A silly, doofy apple boi with pathetic attack power, mediocre recovery, surprisingly good survivability, and an absolutely terrifying damage over time and status effect abilities that cause you to go from 0% to 80% in 15 seconds.

Don't **** with apple boi

 

[SpectreJordan]

I honestly can't believe they couldn't even get Mii Costumes. So many of the characters in the series have such iconic outfits that could easily sell gangbusters and come with songs.

I wouldn’t count that out just yet. If we get another Capcom character I could see it happening. Especially if it’s Dante since DMC started out from RE4’s prototype, so the two series have a shared history.

The Monster Hunter costumes are still missing, so that could support a Capcom character coming. I know they could just be randomly dropped like the Mega Man characters but I think Byleth would’ve been a good character to pair the MonHun costumes with. But who knows.

Even though I haven't played a resident evil game, I do feel really bad for anyone that wanted Jill/Leon to be a playable character only to be crushed by being post base spirits.

Yeah, it wasn’t fun. But I’ve come to terms with it & I’m just happy the series could be apart of the crossover even if it’s in a minor role.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well I've been a fan of Pokemon for my entire life and in that whole time I've noticed a shift in how they are designed, the best examples are looking at the starters, in the earlier generations they looked like, you know. Beasts, monsters that you could easily imagine existing in a fictional natural environment that is Pokemon. And somewhere along the line this was shifted to where at least one of them looked like a guy in a mascot costume.

And this also applies to other Pokemon, the reason I don't like Linoone's evolved form is because I feel like it clashes aesthetically with the first two forms, since the first two forms come from a different era where they were designing the monsters in a different way.

If you like that sure, but to me it feels too much like a drastic shift in tone.

I've seen a criticism that the current starters look like characters, not species, and I kinda agree. There's also been a huge change in art style as well. Like, look at Pidgey, and then look at Pikipeck. The two Pokémon share the same purpose but couldn't be more different in terms of appeal.

To make things worse the older designs aren't drawn differently to compensate or anything, so it's not uncommon for them to clash with the newer Pokémon.
EDIT: This issue in particular seems to be something that Pokémon Café Mix seems to handle quite well, and it's a mobile game. Hopefully we'll see something that unifies the general feel of Pokémon a bit more from the main games.

 

[7NATOR]

I wouldn’t count that out just yet. If we get another Capcom character I could see it happening. Especially if it’s Dante since DMC started out from RE4’s prototype, so the two series have a shared history.

The Monster Hunter costumes are still missing, so that could support a Capcom character coming. I know they could just be randomly dropped like the Mega Man characters but I think Byleth would’ve been a good character to pair the MonHun costumes with. But who knows.

Well Now is the time for me to Introduce another Fan rule i don't think much are talking about

It's called the Hierarchy Rule, and it states that within a Speculation Cycle, you can't Come into the game in a lower position (in this case Spirit Event) and then go into a Higher Position (Mii Costume)

Because the Resident Evil Spirits were added when FP2 was decided, I say this rule is valid towards them, as such we probably won't have Mii Costumes reluctantly, which is a Shame because I would think a Wesker Costume would look Awesome

 

[SuperSceptile15]

My personal favorite Generation 8 Pokemon

- Inteleon (Hoping he's the Gen 8 Smash rep)

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- Appletun (Apple Pie Dragon)
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- Sandaconda (Sandy Snake)

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What a coincidence. Those first two are my main favorites from Gen 8 as well. I think Hatterene is also nice.

My Gen V rep, personally, would've been Snivy.

Well at least it's playable in Super Smash Bros. Crusade.

 

[Cosmic77]

Everyone has different opinions. Some people love the newer Pokemon while some dislike them a lot.

Personally, as much as I love some of the Gen 1 designs, a lot of the Pokemon are incredibly basic. A lot of them repeat the same design choice of "once they evolve, they get an extra head or two." About half of the designs were a hit, the other half were a miss.

Now I'm not saying more complex designs are always a good thing, but I do think they've done a better job of designing Pokemon and highlighting their distinct personalities. Some Pokemon feel suave, others seem wild, and a few come across as energetic. With most of the older Pokemon, I didn't feel those personalities. Every Pokemon felt like it fit into one of three categories: acting tough and serious, cute and playful, or blank slate.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Everyone has different opinions. Some people love the newer Pokemon while some dislike them a lot.

Personally, as much as I love some of the Gen 1 designs, a lot of the Pokemon are incredibly basic. A lot of them repeat the same design choice of "once they evolve, they get an extra head or two." About half of the designs were a hit, the other half were a miss.

Now I'm not saying more complex designs are always a good thing, but I do think they've done a better job of designing Pokemon and highlighting their distinct personalities. Some Pokemon feel suave, others seem wild, and a few come across as energetic. With most of the older Pokemon, I didn't feel those personalities. Every Pokemon felt like it fit into one of three categories: acting tough and serious, cute and playful, or blank slate.

I think the problem with the newer designs is that they're just more divisive. Like, if an older design missed, people would just forget it existed or feel nothing strongly about it, but if a newer design is a miss, it's usually butt ugly or otherwise makes people hate it.

Spoiler: Like this. This did not have to exist.

On the flip side, if a design made its mark, people love it instantly, and I think this effect is a little less so for older designs. I think the designs were probably at their best in generation 3 & 4 (though generation 5's designs will always be my personal favorite).

 

[PeridotGX]

A lot of people here really seem to dislike Rillaboom. I'm not one of those people. In fact I think he's the best of the starter designs by far. Inteleon looks pretty gangly to me and Cinderace looks incredibly generic to the point where if it had appeared in some sort of fantasy sports anime instead, nobody would say it looks like a Pokémon.

At the end of the day though we gotta acknowledge that the only bad choices are these abominations:
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there will be no insulting Stonjourner, he is good.
Pokemon needs a piranha plant, something truly unexpected and weird. I like stuff like Pokken tossing in Chandelure, a popular pokemon that nevertheless was just not on the radar at all to be in a fighting game.

It's why I wanted Primarina over Incineroar. A mermaid fighting with bubbles was just all kinds of different. For this game do something bonkers like Corviknight: a popular, recognizable pokemon that no one in their right mind would assume would make sense in Smash.

If I was in Sakurai's position, I probably would've swapped the Mario and Pokemon rep. Add Waluigi or Geno, and then a wacky random Pokemon for moveset's sake. Imagine, everyone's expecting Incineroar or Decidueye and we just get Honchkrow or Mawile or something

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I think the reason older humanoid Pokemon like Gardevoir or Hitmonchan don't bother me is because were given implications through gameplay that these Pokemon are not something a person normally sees in nature because they tend to seclude themselves away from human civilization, that's why they were rare early on.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

An unorthodox Pokémon as a fighter you say?

Spoiler: I gat'chya covered.

Side Note: What is the deal with this Pokémon? It kind of feels like it's sole purpose was to be on Hops team for a bit.

 

[Hinata]

An unorthodox Pokémon as a fighter you say?

Spoiler: I gat'chya covered.

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Side Note: What is the deal with this Pokémon? It kind of feels like it's sole purpose was to be on Hops team for a bit.

Its sole purpose is to turn into Lavos when you Dynamax it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Its sole purpose is to turn into Lavos when you Dynamax it.

Organ intensifies.

Also I love this Pokémon now.

Also also, Crono for Smash plz.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not entirely certain if you trying to tell me I'm wrong about Dragapult, but then went of on a tangent about Cinderace and Rillaboom or just took my quote out of context...

I'm not the greatest judge of certain Pokémon's popularity, but when I see people talk about Dragapult it's usually about the competitive scene rather than people liking it overall, so that's why I said what I did.

My point was that Dragapult isn't the most popular gen 8 mon in competitive play as Rillaboom's ****ing amazing for VGC

Organ intensifies.

Also I love this Pokémon now.

Also also, Crono for Smash plz.

Honestly, Crono's a character who I can see working fantastic due to DBFZ showing a perfect mechanic. Captain Ginyu has special moves that cycle through the Ginyu Force in a set order, that idea works very well for Dual Techs, the UI shows a set order of say, Crono, Lucca, Marle, Robo and Frog, and after a special move is used, it cycled to the next one. Pressing B at the start of a match does Cyclone, attempting it again turns into Fire Whirl and trying Up B after that has you use Ice Sword. You end up with a character that has more specials than the average character and rewards the player for planning out or adapting

 

[StrangeKitten]

I feel roughly the same on Pokemon designs across the generations. I like most of them pretty well, have some standouts that I love, and then a handful I strongly dislike. It's pretty consistent for me no matter the generation

 

[Captain Shwampy]

I'm curious if someone could sell me on a Valkyria Chronicles character. I've played the demo for 4 and own the game (haven't played it, waiting until I finish Dark Souls), and I've seen a couple people mention it as a series we could see a fighter from. I'm just not sure how it would work or how they could differentiate the character from Snake (assuming they wouldn't put the character into a tank).

You go with Selvaria with her drill, sword, turret rifle gun, valkyrian powers, and amazing theme

 

[Powerman293]

The reason why I think an Ultimate port to the next system is still in the cards is that there's probably still about another game's worth of stellar 3rd party characters left untapped for Nintendo to use and would sell people on a port compared to putting Chorus Kids, Issac, or Dixie in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly, Crono's a character who I can see working fantastic due to DBFZ showing a perfect mechanic. Captain Ginyu has special moves that cycle through the Ginyu Force in a set order, that idea works very well for Dual Techs, the UI shows a set order of say, Crono, Lucca, Marle, Robo and Frog, and after a special move is used, it cycled to the next one. Pressing B at the start of a match does Cyclone, attempting it again turns into Fire Whirl and trying Up B after that has you use Ice Sword. You end up with a character that has more specials than the average character and rewards the player for planning out or adapting

You're right, that is perfect! What makes this even better is that Crono has exactly four (technically 5, but Lightning II is just Lightning, but stronger) Techs that he can use in Dual Techs which would go a long way into making such a system intuitive.

I feel roughly the same on Pokemon designs across the generations. I like most of them pretty well, have some standouts that I love, and then a handful I strongly dislike. It's pretty consistent for me no matter the generation

I'm the same for the most part, though as I've said before I find the newer designs to be much more divisive.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

You go with Selvaria with her drill, sword, turret rifle gun, valkyrian powers, and amazing theme

The only issue is that she's one of the villains of the series so it wouldn't really make a lot of sense to go with her

 

[Captain Shwampy]

The only issue is that she's one of the villains of the series so it wouldn't really make a lot of sense to go with her

She carried the series dying body atop her huge bonkers 3 times
She'll do it again


also,

 

[PSIGuy]

Who cares if she's a villain? She's still the face of the series. Between Minmin and Pirahna Plant there should be no problem going with her - assuming Sega even wants to push Valkyria Chronicles.

 

[Arcanir]

I think the reason older humanoid Pokemon like Gardevoir or Hitmonchan don't bother me is because were given implications through gameplay that these Pokemon are not something a person normally sees in nature because they tend to seclude themselves away from human civilization, that's why they were rare early on.

I feel this goes both ways. While Gardevior and Hitmonchan were Pokemon that were either rare finds or gifts, you also had Pokemon like the Machoke, Hariyama or Hypno lines that were also humanoid/anthropomorphic but were not hard to obtain or distanced from human civilization. By contrast, in SM only three at most (as it depends on how you count examples like Golisopod) anthropomorphic/humanoid Pokemon can be commonly found in the wild, whereas the rest are Starters or Legendaries and thus more limited to obtain without breeding or trading. Both earlier and later generations have had their share of anthropomorphic/humanoid Pokemon being either rare or common, I wouldn't say one or the other is more or less guilty.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Well Now is the time for me to Introduce another Fan rule i don't think much are talking about

It's called the Hierarchy Rule, and it states that within a Speculation Cycle, you can't Come into the game in a lower position (in this case Spirit Event) and then go into a Higher Position (Mii Costume)

Because the Resident Evil Spirits were added when FP2 was decided, I say this rule is valid towards them, as such we probably won't have Mii Costumes reluctantly, which is a Shame because I would think a Wesker Costume would look Awesome

Man, why are you trying to make up fan rules? We've got enough with the ones that already exist.

 

[7NATOR]

Man, why are you trying to make up fan rules? We've got enough with the ones that already exist.

Bored, and trying to perhaps narrow down options and such

 

[GoodGrief741]

Bored, and trying to perhaps narrow down options and such

The thing about fan rules is they're dogmatic and inflexible, and rarely actually narrow things down to a sensible degree.

You can bring up the notion that you presented, I'm sure other people might even find it logical, just don't look at it as a rule.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Gardevoir and Meowth are probably the only ones close to that. They tend to stand above the rest in terms of requests.

I’d say Gengar as well. Pretty popular Pokémon Competitively and in the anime

 

[Calamitas]

Oh, to come back to Pokémon for a bit - we still don't actually know when the Clown Tundra is supposed to come out. Considering that the last Direct Mini in March had a trailer for Armour Island at the end, we might see that at the end of a hypothetical upcoming Direct.

And yes calling it Clown Tundra was intentional

 

[SpectreJordan]

The reason why I think an Ultimate port to the next system is still in the cards is that there's probably still about another game's worth of stellar 3rd party characters left untapped for Nintendo to use and would sell people on a port compared to putting Chorus Kids, Issac, or Dixie in.

The new 3rd parties could always still happen in the next game, they just might not get to fight the likes of Corrin, Pichu & maybe Cloud or Hero.

 

[Arcadenik]

Pokémon talk?

Ahem!

Meowth & Team Rocket for Smash!

They make so much sense... I don’t care if they were from the anime and I don’t care if there are “tOo MaNy 1sT gEn” in Smash. What matters is that they are owned by Nintendo and that they are starting to show up in more Pokémon games now. They are practically the Harley Quinn of the Pokémon franchise at this point. They are some of the most iconic and popular Pokémon characters in the whole franchise that even people who don’t play Pokémon games would recognize them. It’s like what Sakurai said about Piranha Plant. Quote: “Also, unlike some main characters from some (not widely known) franchises, Piranha Plant is a character everyone knows well.” This totally applies to Jessie, James, and Meowth!

I was thinking of how Meowth & Team Rocket might play in Smash. Since my idea is for Meowth, Ekans, and Koffing to be a team like Ice Climbers, Rosalina & Luma, Duck Hunt, or Banjo & Kazooie... and that Ekans and Koffing would take turns as Meowth’s tag team partner via Down B. Jessie and James would be staying in the background like Pokémon Trainers.

I was thinking of how you could play two Pokémon at the same time. I had an eureka moment when I thought maybe A button could control Meowth and B button could control Ekans and Koffing... and you switch the Poison-type Pokémon with Down B. I wondered if that could be feasible. I felt validated after I saw how Sakurai made Min Min work in Smash. A button controls her left arm (the dragon arm) and B button controls her right arm (it can be either Dragon, Megawatt, or Ramram)... and you change the right arm with Down B.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The reason why I think an Ultimate port to the next system is still in the cards is that there's probably still about another game's worth of stellar 3rd party characters left untapped for Nintendo to use and would sell people on a port compared to putting Chorus Kids, Issac, or Dixie in.

Issue with that could be the rights to use some 3rd parties notably the Konami characters Snake, Simon, Richter, Cloud, and Hero.

 

[Deleted member]

Issue with that could be the rights to use some 3rd parties notably the Konami characters Snake, Simon, Richter, Cloud, and Hero.

True, but IMO I would much rather have Ultimate be ported to the next console and probably lose a few characters then have them start from scratch again and likely have to cut way more. It's nigh impossible to top Ultimate, what with bringing everyone back, so why try? Build on the old and make it new!

 

[RileyXY1]

True, but IMO I would much rather have Ultimate be ported to the next console and probably lose a few characters then have them start from scratch again and likely have to cut way more. It's nigh impossible to top Ultimate, what with bringing everyone back, so why try? Build on the old and make it new!

It would flop because people wouldn't want to buy Ultimate but with less content.

 

[Deleted member]

It would flop because people wouldn't want to buy Ultimate but with less content.

...

Actually yeah that's a fair point.

 

[Eldrake]

I don't think we're getting a Gen 8 pokemon in this pass (because of, yes, the spirit event). But if we do, then I want it to be Inteleon. I think the spy theme has really cool potential when it comes to the moveset. (Imagine stuff like a proximity mine, but instead of a generic explosion it's a water geyser propelling the victim upward setting up for a Snipe Shot KO).

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

On the behalf of the barracuda boi, I kindly request that you cease your heresy at once.

I shall never cease

That penguin is awful

the barracuda is cool tho

 

[DarthEnderX]

Actually yeah that's a fair point.

Not really, because you likely wouldn't have less content.

Even if you lost a few 3P characters to licensing, Nintendo would still probably add more characters than it cut.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Ahem..... if I may interject?
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That is all.
Also I don’t see a problem with furry like designs, but then again I’m pretty biased in that regard.

Wooloo is pretty good, it and Corvaknight are sick looking pokemon

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Been too busy with life, so this week's Spirit Event was a Gen 8 Pokemon?

 

[Deleted member]

I shall never cease

That penguin is awful

the barracude is cool tho

Ice Penguin is one of the cooler/cute pokemon designs in gen 8 IMO. maybe even