Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Will]

I just noticed something.

The timer on the videos is stuck at 2:30. It's not moving in the slightest. That's a definite hint at it being a dev build, but could still be a hack.

But Ken? And the SAME 2:30 second timer as the Ken leak?

...If it's real, this could be the same person, holy crap.

Nah, couldn't be the same guy.

Not unless he really really has pride all of a sudden.

 

[osby]

I cannot wait. I cannot. I just can't.

No offense, but there's a good chance we won't get any girls for the rest of the DLC.

You don't have to like this possible outcome (I certainly wouldn't), but if it makes you panic so much, you should seriously consider dropping Smash and occupying your mind with another fandom for a while.

This mindset can't possibly be good for you.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

I just noticed something.

The timer on the videos is stuck at 2:30. It's not moving in the slightest. That's a definite hint at it being a dev build, but could still be a hack.

But Ken? And the SAME 2:30 second timer as the Ken leak?

...If it's real, this could be the same person, holy crap.

But if this is the same person, why leak the Mii costumes when they leaked Ken before? It makes no sense to me.

 

[KatKit]

If it's real (it seems authentic, IMO), we'd get Doom content of some kind at the very least, and Bethesda would have their foot in the door. If they managed to go the extra mile, we'd also have a playable rep from them. Mii costumes don't necessarily confirm playable characters, but it is a good sign.

That's my take on it. I'm not going to celebrate prematurely and act like so and so is definitely confirmed. As aforementioned, those Mii costumes alone don't provide enough context.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I just noticed something.

The timer on the videos is stuck at 2:30. It's not moving in the slightest. That's a definite hint at it being a dev build, but could still be a hack.

But Ken? And the SAME 2:30 second timer as the Ken leak?

...If it's real, this could be the same person, holy crap.

Imagine leaving calling cards for the stuff you leak.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Apparently the Cacodemon mii hat is designed without the gorey details of the original. Nice detail for them to pay attention to if fake.

 

[N3ON]

What I will agree with is that some people are assuming these costumes would be released or even revealed along with Terry, which definitely isn't a certainty. They'd be revealed in conjunction with the character they correspond to (let's be real), which may not be any time soon, who knows.

Just because they exist (assuming they're real for the sake of the argument) doesn't mean they're imminent. Things can and do get developed in advance, especially when it's as resource light as a costume.

I just noticed something.

The timer on the videos is stuck at 2:30. It's not moving in the slightest. That's a definite hint at it being a dev build, but could still be a hack.

But Ken? And the SAME 2:30 second timer as the Ken leak?

...If it's real, this could be the same person, holy crap.

The leaker should've spent the whole video up taunting as Ken.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

I think that's more of a situation for Indies than anything else. Sans required negotiation with just one person, who, as it turned out, had a professional relationship with Nintendo through Game Freak. I really don't see Sakurai going through licensing with Bethesda (and possibly id) for mere Costumes.

That's true but we have to at least keep in mind that it could be a "Sans" situation. Man, real speculation. This is fun

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I just noticed something.

The timer on the videos is stuck at 2:30. It's not moving in the slightest. That's a definite hint at it being a dev build, but could still be a hack.

But Ken? And the SAME 2:30 second timer as the Ken leak?

...If it's real, this could be the same person, holy crap.

Either that, or it's someone else intentionally imitating that Ken leak (and if it's fake, they likely did it to make it look more convincing).

 

[Deleted member]

No offense, but there's a good chance we won't get any girls for the rest of the DLC.

You don't have to like this possible outcome (I certainly wouldn't), but if it makes you panic so much, you should seriously consider dropping Smash and occupying your mind with another fandom for a while.

This mindset can't possibly be good for you.

Smash influenced a lot in my life, and I can't drop it.

You really believe we won't get one do you? You don't believe we female have a chance to be DLC?

I don't wanna do this the hard way, please.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Imagine leaving calling cards for the stuff you leak.

Sorta like a Phantom thief.

 

[Will]

Mii costumes don't necessarily confirm playable characters, but it is a good sign.

If anything the demon deconfirms Doom Slayer if it's a helmet for the next Patch. Nothing confirms whether or not it's for the upcoming release or whatever's next, but it's only logical to assume that it's for the upcoming patch right now.

It wouldn't confirm Doomguy, quite the opposite. Sans didn't confirm Frisk, did it? Then neither would Cacawhateverdemon or Mallow do vice versa.

I don't wanna do this the hard way, please.

the **** are you gonna do, stab him?

 

[ArchRanger]

What I will agree with is that some people are assuming these costumes would be released or even revealed along with Terry, which definitely isn't a certainty. They'd be revealed in conjunction with the character they correspond to (let's be real), which may not be any time soon, who knows.

Just because they exist (assuming they're real for the sake of the argument) doesn't mean they're imminent. Things can and do get developed in advance, especially when it's as resource light as a costume.

This is a good point to make. Just because the models look complete doesn't mean they will get shipped out ASAP. This is especially true if there is multiple rounds of Mii costumes coming with their respective characters which could imply these were the first set made, not that the release of them is around the corner.

Smash influenced a lot in my life, and I can't drop it.

You really believe we won't get one do you? You don't believe we female have a chance to be DLC?

I don't wanna do this the hard way, please.

I can't see them not adding at least one female in DLC if there is at least another fighter's pass worth of content. Between Dixie, Jill/Claire, and Lara Croft, along with a bunch of other picks, there's a decent chance that we will see one of them make it through (assuming this leak is real, that is).

 

[Sysreq]

It does seem a little weird to me that Mii costumes would be being made this far in advance of characters. I'm not entirely sure how I feel on the situation. I'm definitely leaning towards real, but still unsure of the implications.

They weren't talking about it being removed from 4chan. Rather uploading the 4chan video to YouTube to see if Nintendo takes it down because it's a legit leak.

I'm sure PapaGenos will make a video on it.

 

[Fenriraga]

Smash influenced a lot in my life, and I can't drop it.

You really believe we won't get one do you? You don't believe we female have a chance to be DLC?

I don't wanna do this the hard way, please.

I think what you need to "know" right now is that you are getting extraordinarily worked up over pixels on a screen from a video we can't even be 100% certain is real right now, and that even if it implies what its implying, there's still more DLC down the pipe line.

Female representation is a very good thing, yes. And we already have a staggering number of them. Like, the glow up of females we got from Brawl to Smash 4 is staggering. Yes, more would be great, and more can still happen.

For now, I genuinely think you need to log off, go get some air and/or proper sleep, and come back to this with a clear head.

 

[DarthEnderX]

that's based off of the old Sprite through and through

Which was straight up ripped off from artwork in an old D&D manual.

Yes, you people who are saying costumes don't inherently mean corresponding characters are technically right. It's true.

But look who it is. It's a Mallow costume, and a Cacodemon costume.

Have you been enjoying your playable Mystical Ninja and Undertale characters then?

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

If anything the demon deconfirms Doom Slayer if it's a helmet for the next Patch. Nothing confirms whether or not it's for the upcoming release or whatever's next, but it's only logical to assume that it's for the upcoming patch right now.

It wouldn't confirm Doomguy, quite the opposite. Sans didn't confirm Frisk, did it? Then neither would Cacawhateverdemon or Mallow do vice versa.


the **** are you gonna do, stab him?

I don't know why but I'm losing my **** at that last line lol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly despite rooting for Slayer I kinda hope we're in the timeline this is fake cause it'd be funny as hell to see how good ass mods mean not even video footage can have certainty

 

[AceAttorney9000]

The Smash Direct, Terry gameplay presentation, or whatever else is coming this month... it cannot come fast enough right now.

 

[Idon]

Have you been enjoying your playable Mystical Ninja and Undertale characters then?

That's a bit of a false equivalency considering one, Goemon is the central protagonist of Mystial Ninja and if he was playable, then his other 2 allies would be costumes instead, and two, Sans was marketed as appearing alone with all his fanfare and interviews.

Unless we see a Geno costume or a Doomguy costume, it's far more indicative of a character than the 2 examples you used.

 

[RodNutTakin]

Well I went ahead and bit the bullet. Reuploaded the two webms in the original thread on my YouTube account to see if they get terminated or not. I barely use my account to upload anyway, so a strike or two won't affect my life.
Though considering the followup 4chan thread just suddenly got deleted, it may not even matter.

 

[Ben Holt]

New prediction. Lol. Quite convenient.
As I stated before, I still believe Doom Slayer is Fighter 5.
But last time, I predicted Crash Bandicoot would be the first Fighter's Pass 2 character. But it looks like Geno is gonna be the star of The Game Awards.

 

[N3ON]

Smash influenced a lot in my life, and I can't drop it.

You really believe we won't get one do you? You don't believe we female have a chance to be DLC?

I don't wanna do this the hard way, please.

Smash may have influenced a lot in your life, but it seems to have stopped short at your expectations. That is to say, while more females would be nice, there's really nothing in Smash's history to indicate they've ever actually received preferential treatment. To that end, you can't really anticipate a "deserving" female character any more than a "deserving" male character... and there are just more of those, because of how characters in gaming historically skewed.

You can impart your hopes onto Smash, but if you impart expectations you've crafted despite Smash's precedence of inclusion, you're only making yourself susceptible to disappointment. A female can happen, but the field is mostly men. I mean, what else is new. And, at the end of the day, it is a relatively blind selection process, which is honestly... fair.

 

[dezeray112]

So I see that there is a possible Mii costume leak based upon Mallow and someone from Doom.

Will have to wait for further confirmation and see if that actually confirms the playable existence of Doom Slayer and Geno.

 

[IceKitsune]

Well, ID software does sort of consider the Cacodemon the mascot of the Doom Franchise and the community has considered it that way for longer. Hissy the Cacodemon has been around since 1994-1995 and was basically adopted by ID later. It would make sense that that would be the Doom representation we would get. Does it completely rule out Slayer as a character? If they come with Terry then while I don't think it completely rules him out it does hurt it a lot. Same with Geno.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Well I went ahead and bit the bullet. Reuploaded the two webms in the original thread on my YouTube account to see if they get terminated or not. I barely use my account to upload anyway, so a strike or two won't affect my life.
Though considering the followup 4chan thread just suddenly got deleted, it may not even matter.

4chan doesn't delete threads for being real leaks. It was deleted because loli was being posted in it. Rather than delete the posts one by one they just nuked the thread. It's easier that way.

 

[N3ON]

Have you been enjoying your playable Mystical Ninja and Undertale characters then?

I forget, are they Goemon and Sans or Ebisumaru and Papyrus?

 

[Pinguino21v]

Like it's been mentioned though, just because the Mii costumes are in doesn't mean the characters are in. Maybe the Cacodemon (and Doomguy outfit) is all we're getting for Doom content like how all we got was Sans and all we got was Goemon.

Well considering if these are real. They would be released with Terry considering they have complete models already. And the fact that if Doom Slayer was in, the mii costume would be released with him. I think it's actually a Sans level mii costume with a DOOM track.

What I will agree with is that some people are assuming these costumes would be released or even revealed along with Terry, which definitely isn't a certainty. They'd be revealed in conjunction with the character they correspond to (let's be real), which may not be any time soon, who knows.

Just because they exist (assuming they're real for the sake of the argument) doesn't mean they're imminent. Things can and do get developed in advance, especially when it's as resource light as a costume.

Everything here is right. It's too soon to show these costumes if they are released with their respective characters. The keyword here is "if". All of this make me believe one of the two possibilities:

• It's fake
• It's real and neither Geno nor Doomguy are playable characters. This is the only representation for these series (maybe with Geno mii returning, and a song with Cacodemon).

If leak is real and Geno and Doomguy are coming, I'll just take the L and move on from the spirits disconfirming characters.

I despise the idea of Geno of all characters to get in, but him being in would at least breaks definitively that made-up rule.

 

[GoodGrief741]

New prediction. Lol. Quite convenient.
As I stated before, I still believe Doom Slayer is Fighter 5.
But last time, I predicted Crash Bandicoot would be the first Fighter's Pass 2 character. But it looks like Geno is gonna be the star of The Game Awards.

I don't think Geno is a Game Awards reveal, unless he's really indicative of the next season of DLC. I'm talking season of pandering, ATs and Spirits and first parties kind of deal.

 

[Ben Holt]

If we get a

I don't think Geno is a Game Awards reveal, unless he's really indicative of the next season of DLC. I'm talking season of pandering, ATs and Spirits and first parties kind of deal.

If that means Shovel Knight, I'm in.

4chan doesn't delete threads for being real leaks. It was deleted because loli was being posted in it. Rather than delete the posts one by one they just nuked the thread. It's easier that way.

Wow. Sometimes I hate the internet.

 

[Plank08]

in my opinion this leak is real, DOOMSLAYERS HAPPENING AND SO IS GENO OH MY GOD IM GONNA CRY

 

[KatKit]

That's a bit of a false equivalency considering one, Goemon is the central protagonist of Mystial Ninja and if he was playable, then his other 2 allies would be costumes instead, and two, Sans was marketed as appearing alone with all his fanfare and interviews.

Unless we see a Geno costume or a Doomguy costume, it's far more indicative of a character than the 2 examples you used.

Yes, but what character?

The problem is that people are jumping to the conclusion that we'd get Doomguy and/or Geno. There's still a possibility that there's also a Doomguy costume. There's still a possibility that there's a boatload of different Bethesda ones and they release alongside an Elder Scrolls rep or something.

Imagine if Tails or the Teddie hat leaked before Joker's reveal? That doesn't confirm Eggman or Yu, but people might've assumed so.

 

[greenluigiman2]

If anything the demon deconfirms Doom Slayer if it's a helmet for the next Patch. Nothing confirms whether or not it's for the upcoming release or whatever's next, but it's only logical to assume that it's for the upcoming patch right now.

It wouldn't confirm Doomguy, quite the opposite. Sans didn't confirm Frisk, did it? Then neither would Cacawhateverdemon or Mallow do vice versa.

I can't tell if you're joking or not, but this logic makes negative sense.

 

[ArchRanger]

Yes, but what character?

The problem is that people are jumping to the conclusion that we'd get Doomguy and/or Geno. There's still a possibility that there's a Doomguy costume. There's still a possibility that there's a boatload of Bethesda ones and it releases alongside an Elder Scrolls rep or something.

Imagine if Tails or the Teddie hat leaked before Joker's reveal? That doesn't confirm Eggman or Yu, but people might've assumed so.

I think the biggest difference is that Bethesda/ID doesn't have any connections to the game currently. Sega and other companies are already connected or represented in the game so seeing a Tails hat leak wouldn't be as big unless Sega wasn't existing in the game already. You are correct that Bethesda could be getting something else like a Dragonborn hero or something but between Elder Scrolls and Doom, the later has a lot more legacy behind it IMO due to being one of the godfather's of one of the largest genres around.

 

[Himiko]

Well, if either of those characters are in it would be hella lame. I'm not gonna flip out like Lesley though cause my expectations for Sakurai and Devs giving a single **** about their fans that like and want female character dlc are long since down the drain. I rarely play Smash these days because I'm bored of the current roster and there's seemingly no dlc characters on the horizon for me to get excited about. But hey, that's on them.

 

[Idon]

Yes, but what character?

The problem is that people are jumping to the conclusion that we'd get Doomguy and/or Geno. There's still a possibility that there's also a Doomguy costume. There's still a possibility that there's a boatload of Bethesda ones and it releases alongside an Elder Scrolls rep or something.

Imagine if Tails or the Teddie hat leaked before Joker's reveal? That doesn't confirm Eggman or Yu, but people might've assumed so.

Yeah and I'm not discounting that possibility, I'm just pointing out the comparison isn't a fair one to make.

If you want my personal opinion, this would be the equivalent of if the Chocobo mii costume from Final Fantasy leaked.
It would be possible that that would merely be indicative of more FF costumes on the way or another SE character, but really it's far more likely it's a character, except instead of a huge pool of characters, there's really only 3 possible characters (Doomguy, Falloutguy, Dovahkiin) and I'd obviously lean more on the series we know is represented.

So, until I see a return of the Geno costume or the Doomguy Helmet mii hat (or any Bethesda-owned character), I'm going to lean on it being that Doomguy is in.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Apparently modders have been trying to mod miis for a while, but couldn’t successfully do it due to messed up proportions or whatever. This is a very good modder if fake.

 

[Corbin]

I'm not aware of any Ultimate modding that allows modifying Mii fighters' hats. Still probably fake. But it's definitely well done. That cacodemon model is unique.

Geno & Doomguy are definitely my top 2 wanted though, so this is interesting.

 

[SirCamp]

So upon further reflection I feel like there is a very real possibility that this leak is real and that also Doom Slayer still isn't playable. Mostly because I don't understand how the timing would add up unless Doom Slayer is getting shadow dropped alongside Terry.

If that's the case my guess is that Geno will be a bonus character added outside of the pass (if we get a character shadow dropped or added outside of the fighter's pass Geno seems significantly more likely as a candidate to me) and the demon is simply being released alongside Terry as a mascot costume for Doom (like some other posters have said). Granted I'm just taking people's word about the demon being somewhat of a mascot given that I don't really know anything about the series.

Either that or this leak is super early and is relating the content coming in the patch AFTER Terry. But that just seems kinda crazy to me. Possible, but just seems less likely.

Still obviously also very possible that Doom Slayer is indeed playable, if this leak is legitimate. I don't really know. But it does seem like there are other possible outcomes than just what people are assuming.

 

[greenluigiman2]

I'm not aware of any Ultimate modding that allows modifying Mii fighters' hats. Still probably fake. But it's definitely well done. That cacodemon model is unique.

Geno & Doomguy are definitely my top 2 wanted though, so this is interesting.

"I'm not aware of any Ultimate modding that allows modifying Mii fighters' hats" + "That cacodemon model is unique" = "Still probably fake"

How did you come to that conclusion with those two points?