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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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ArchRanger

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Eh...eh...eh...

No words can justify my rage amd disappointment. I'm just allowing free speech. I just want to express my feelings by venting out. Had you all at least approached me in a nicer way, and not outright ordering me to step out, it would've...would've..

Tsk.

Of all times...
Kind of unfair to paint everyone with a board brush implying that there was more than one person that asked you to step out. It was just the one person. Most of us are saying to not lose hope and some others are suggesting not to get too emotionally invested into the DLC.
 

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If this leak is real, in what order do you think we will get these 2? Will geno be #5 or Doomslayer? My money has and always will be Doomslayer
 

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I think that's why we're all inferring that Doom Slayer is imminent.
Perhaps.

But confirmed? You're ****ing crazy if you're calling it that early. By that logic, literally everyone is imminent.
 

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Maybe, but I think this is the first time we've gotten a supposed DLC Leak long before they would actually be released.
But Banjo (a fully brand new character) was revealed at E3 in June and was released 3 months later in September. DLC5 isn't happening any later than February 2020 (also 3 months) and these are just Mii hats... not even the full costumes.
 

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Name 1.


I mean companies, not IPs, getting an company like Bethsda in seems really weird for just a costume and nothing else.
WayForward, Ubisoft, Yacht Club Games, Tecmo Koei (though Nintendo does co-own Fatal Frame), Toby Fox, Gaijin Games..

Ubisoft is the big one to consider here considering they can sometimes be known for being quite greedy, yet they are more than okay with having no representation in the last two Smash games aside from a single Trophy (3DS/Wii U) and PNG Files/Spirits (Ultimate). If Ubisoft is okay with that, than I don't see why Id wouldn't be okay with having a more prominent place as a DLC Mii Fighter Costume.

Smash Bros. is a HUGE game, companies know this, this is part of why companies don't tend to turn down offers to be included, regardless of what that inclusion is.
 
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I mean, as hyped as I am right now that this could very much be real, I'm still very skeptical.


Like I said, even though I don't think it would be and find it hella sus, it could just be a ill-fated "Doom Eternal is out this month" costume.
 

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And that leak looked soooo convincing as I checked it. It's just...**** I don't know what to say anymore.
There's always another time. The next Pass is FULL of possibilities for possible Female representation. 2B, Lara Croft, Kos-Mos, and so much more. There's so much to look forward to in the next Pass and beyond.

It's not worth getting worked up over this leak, especially since it isn't confirmed real. It is likely to be real, it's possible, but even if it happens there's way more to look forward to than just this Pass. If you have to just ignore this pass and focus your speculation on the next one. Everything will work out just fine I assure you.
 
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Then why bother implying it?
No seriously if you're reacting this badly over it you need to take a step back and chill out, maybe find someone to talk to. This isn't about a video game anymore, it's about your mental health
It's still about a game. It's still about my handling of my disappointment.
I need you to understand one thing right now.

My intent was not to ORDER you to "step down", only to take a breather from all this and stop staring at the computer screen. I've had to do it, NonSpecificGuy just told you he's had to do it, my suggestion was only out of looking out for you, not to belittle or silence you, and I'm sorry it came off that way.

But especially after that first part, PLEASE, at least consider just getting some sleep before you get caught up in things like that. I swear it will be fine. This is about mentality, not video game characters.
You sounded a bit too harsh. Sorry.
 

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Man... I just want Geno. I've wanted him for so many years, for so many reasons.

Yes, there are better picks, yes, Geno fans can be pretty obnoxious, but I want nothing more than for this to happen so I can shout it from my dang rooftop. My signed Mario RPG copy on my wall wasn't meaningless.

Even if you don't want Geno, which I totally understand, just think of what else him making it in could do. Relevancy? Dead. Spirits deconfirm? Dead. All the DLC has to be from different/new IPs and companies? Dead.

We get the character we've obsessed over, we get to shut up about him, and the floodgate of possibilities opens even more.



...Assuming this is real, anyway. I swear I'm keeping my expectations in check, haha.
Geno isn't someone I want, but I do want various obstacles in speculation to be cleared, and he'd get rid of them all except "no ATs" and "no first parties".
 

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It's still about a game. It's still about my handling of my disappointment.


You sounded a bit too harsh. Sorry.
If I'm harsh, it's because I've been down this road before and am not about to be cautious when I seriously believe someone might be in way too deep on this stuff. I just want them to take care of themselves, you included.

Saying you were slipping into toxicity, however, was definitely not helpful in any regard, so I apologize for that as well.

Just take care of yourself and breathe.
 
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It's still about a game. It's still about my handling of my disappointment.
If you were honestly, without any hyperbole at all, having thoughts that extreme over the chance of Doomguy getting in, then you actually need to do something to help yourself since it sounds like there's more at work here than just your disappointment.
I'm not going to pretend I can offer any serious advice but again, this isn't healthy.
 
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If this leak is real, in what order do you think we will get these 2? Will geno be #5 or Doomslayer? My money has and always will be Doomslayer
Since Sakurai said these 5 were decided on before Ultimate was completed, it would definitely if Doomguy.
If it was Geno, than Sakurai wouldn't have included Geno & Mallow Spirits in the main game, Geno would have been saved for him in a playable capacity while Mallow would have been saved for a DLC Spirit Board based around Super Mario RPG.
I don't have faith in the future DLC. It'll just be all male again. That's what I think.
Probably, its just the reality we live in. There's a clear Main Character bias for inclusions (which makes sense) and there aren't many games where females are the main characters..the only two I could see getting in (and wanting on my part) are 2B and Jill Valentine (I don't really want Lara Croft tbh..and I sadly never see Morrigan getting in due to her provocative design).
We MIGHT see some female characters if we get characters from series already included, however, like, say, if we get Dixie Kong.
 
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If I'm harsh, it's because I've been down this road before and am not about to be cautious when I seriously believe someone might be in way too deep on this stuff. I just want them to take care of themselves, you included.

Saying you were slipping into toxicity, however, was definitely not helpful in any regard, so I apologize for that as well.

Just take care of yourself and breathe.
I can't breathe normally. Hell, I can't do my essay on feminism with this in mind, and this presentation of male dominance isn't fueling my creative thinking.

I can't be calm right now.

If you were honestly, without any hyperbole at all, having thoughts that extreme over the chance of Doomguy getting in, then you actually need to do something to help yourself since it sounds like there's more at work here than just your disappointment.
I'm not going to pretend I can offer any serious advice but again, this isn't healthy.
It isn't healthy. It was never healthy to begin with anyway. Chances are still probable, and it's all ****ed up, all of it.


Probably, its just the reality we live in. There's a clear Main Character bias for inclusions (which makes sense) and there aren't many games where females are the main characters..the only two I could see getting in (and wanting on my part) are 2B and Jill Valentine (I don't really want Lara Croft tbh..and I sadly never see Morrigan getting in due to her provocative design).
We MIGHT see some female characters if we get characters from series already included, however, like, say, if we get Dixie Kong.
Then at the very least, can't we just have just one. One is so easy.
 

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Yeah, that's particularly due to both main character bias and most main characters being males..there are very few options for female main characters they could pull from that I'd actually care about, primarily being 2B and Jill Valentine (I'd include Morrigan..but I sadly never see her getting in..)
Well you might not care about all of the possibilities for female characters, but there definitely is enough good female choices to warrant a few of them as dlc and/or at least one in the first fighter pass. I don’t think that’s too much to ask at all. But who knows, maybe we’ll luck out in future dlc.
 
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...Something else about the leak that is kind of bothering me.

The video shows that all the characters (The two Mii Fighters and Ken) are player controlled. It's not a case of "make all the controllers gather around Ken while I have alone time" like the Ken leak seemed to be. That is absolutely three different people all playing Smash, I.E. THREE entire people risking their literal futures with this stuff.

One person I can understand, but something about three people just feels more odd to me. It's purely conjecture, of course, could have been recorded secretly or it really could just be more than one person, but it's still bothering me.
 
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I can't breathe normally. Hell, I can't do my essay on feminism with this in mind, and this presentation of male dominance isn't fueling my creative thinking.

I can't be calm right now.



It isn't healthy. It was never healthy to begin with anyway. Chances are still probable, and it's all ****ed up, all of it.



Then at the very least, can't we just have just one. One is so easy.
Get help, if this is how you are reacting to dlc for a video game. I can't even imagine how can function in everyday life when you let little things like this get you.
 

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I can't breathe normally. Hell, I can't do my essay on feminism with this in mind, and this presentation of male dominance isn't fueling my creative thinking.

I can't be calm right now.
Lesley, this is beyond disappointment. Take it from me. I once had to admit myself into a mental hospital for ten days because I literally could not go a single night without waking up in the middle of the night having a panic attack over NOTHING AT ALL. I just expected it.
There is help. This isn't healthy.
 

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The webm could easily be real as it could be fake.

Visual mods preexisted, I've seen edits to PAC-MAN mostly, I guess someone really hated how his costumes weren't very diverse.
 
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Get help, if this is how you are reacting to dlc for a video game. I can't even imagine how can function in everyday life when you let little things like this get you.
Because I care about the game. I care about it. It led me to a successful life here. And it is also Smash that gave me my feminist views.

I don't like it. I hate it. I'm beyond disappointed. How could they leave women out like this?
 

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the frozen 'debug' timer in the new leak strikes me as weird compared to the old ken leak

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original debug timer is set to account for all 99 minutes so it can be set to any point whenever the developer wants, while the new leak almost seems to have missed this detail and has gone for a timer that would only scale up to 9 minutes

there's a lot going for the leak but i don't believe it yet -- too trolly/grinch-leak baity and too much riding on an older leak's coattails for comfort
 

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How could they leave women out like this?
You say that like they're playing the cards against women instead of looking the male:female ratio of characters deemed likely.

Statistically, female fighters have had it rough since the beginning.
 
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Lesley, this is beyond disappointment. Take it from me. I once had to admit myself into a mental hospital for ten days because I literally could not go a single night without waking up in the middle of the night having a panic attack over NOTHING AT ALL. I just expected it.
There is help. This isn't healthy.
I can't go to a mental hospital now. I have more stuff in life to think about, but this want of mine that I want in this game that dictated me is just...
 

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the frozen 'debug' timer in the new leak strikes me as weird compared to the old ken leak

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original debug timer is set to account for all 99 minutes so it can be set to any point whenever the developer wants, while the new leak almost seems to have missed this detail and has gone for a timer that would only scale up to 9 minutes

there's a lot going for the leak but i don't believe it yet -- too trolly/grinch-leak baity and too much riding on an older leak's coattails for comfort
This was changed once the game came out.
 

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Video from the #1 Geno lad on the matter. Not much new, just covers whta we've already seen.

As for myself, I'm on the side that I'd really rather this leak would not be the case. Or rather, that that which it implies is not the case. Though admittedly, this is because I'm indifferent to one of these characters, and actively dislike the other in terms of Smash speculation.
 

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I'm 50/50 on the leak, being skeptical is always the Chad move. Worked out for me with the Grinch.

But you have nothing to convince me that it means Geno and Doom Slayer are hard confirmed.
 
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I'm 50/50 on the leak, being skeptical is always the Chad move. Worked out for me with the Grinch.

But you have nothing to convince me that it means Geno and Doom Slayer are hard confirmed.
Sigh...what now, what now...

Did Verg or Sabi phone yet? So they can just say the word and it's done?
 

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the frozen 'debug' timer in the new leak strikes me as weird compared to the old ken leak

View attachment 244889

original debug timer is set to account for all 99 minutes so it can be set to any point whenever the developer wants, while the new leak almost seems to have missed this detail and has gone for a timer that would only scale up to 9 minutes

there's a lot going for the leak but i don't believe it yet -- too trolly/grinch-leak baity and too much riding on an older leak's coattails for comfort
I think that't honestly just a change made overtime. Remember, Sakurai fully admitted during Hero's demonstration that he was using a development build to showcase him, and the timer there is the same as ever.

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Because I care about the game. I care about it. It led me to a successful life here. And it is also Smash that gave me my feminist views.

I don't like it. I hate it. I'm beyond disappointed. How could they leave women out like this?
I'm not saying you should be satisfied with the DLC picks, but repeating how disappointed you are ad nauseam isn't going to help anyone.
 
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Video from the #1 Geno lad on the matter. Not much new, just covers whta we've already seen.

As for myself, I'm on the side that I'd really rather this leak would not be the case. Or rather, that that which it implies is not the case. Though admittedly, this is because I'm indifferent to one of these characters, and actively dislike the other in terms of Smash speculation.
What did he say? I don't feel like opening YouTube on the matter.
 

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