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What makes this fun is that there's no kill date, being a dev kit means this is what's being worked on right now, whereas Terry and all his content should be done so if this is real we won't even see it in his presentation. The way I see it, these are our options
1: Fake
2: Real and has Slayer and Geno as playable
3: Real and has Slayer while not showing off the returning Geno costume
4: Real but Slayer's not there at all
5: Real but both of these are just costumes with nothing else for Geno and Slayer
 

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I’d find it strange they‘d negotiate for a DOOM demon and not the demon slayer himself.
I don't.

Regardless, it's also possible we'd end up getting a different Bethesda rep. I'm going to try to avoid jumping to conclusions. There isn't enough context.
 
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Yes, you people who are saying costumes don't inherently mean corresponding characters are technically right. It's true.

But look who it is. It's a Mallow costume, and a Cacodemon costume.

 

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Ohhhh god, oh god I'm shaking.

I KNOW it could be a mod. Even if it isn't, I KNOW it doesn't confirm them outright.

But...

Oh my god guys if Geno makes it... I'm gonna cry man.
 

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If you watch the video it's just the Cacodemon Mii picking up an Assist Trophy. It's still alive for now.
Yeah, looks like that might be the case. I just have a hard time believing that it's possible to get two western characters in the same pass after having to wait 2 decades just to get 1 lol. This is also a post-Grinch leak world so someone going to such drastic measures to generate fake hype wouldn't be surprising. One of the anon's on there put it well:
If this leak is fake, then the guy who made it has to be the craziest person in the world going out of their way to make incredibly boring cardboard cut-out models using promotional material from the upcoming Grinch movie because he's thinking 47 steps ahead and knows that both Bandai-Namco and Universal studios contract the same obscure French marketing company. To this end, he then got himself an office, printed out the name of an employee of said company, and haphazardly half blurred out the name because, once again, he's some kind of super genius beyond the mental capacities of mortal man and he knew that the internet's crack team of cybersleuths would find his red-herring name in seconds.

This absolute Einstein of social engineering also happens to moonlight as an expert artist and after presumably spending hours carefully cutting and pasting characters from the Smash poster, he then went out of his way to produce 7 more drawings of his own with obscure elements like vines for Isaac that hardly anyone would be able to make out, and then, for the fun of it, he saw to making a completely unique drawing of the blank version of Battlefield just because he could. He made sure that this fake roster of his perfectly mirrored one posted on 4chan last month by someone whose first language clearly isn't English because he knew that people would immediately make the connection to the French marketing company that he is pretending produced this image. The fact that 5 new characters lines up with the 5 missing stages from Corocoro was all part of his master plan. He also made sure this coincided with Nintendo renewing relevant trademarks.

The lengths you have to go to believe that this is all an incredibly elaborate leak would make this man one of the most intelligent people to ever walk the Earth. This guy would be more competent than the entire government of Saudi Arabia when it comes to fakery.

I suggest you think about which outcome is more likely.
There's also this SSBU mod posted on there which doesn't rule out potential modeling in Ultimate:

I do hope it's a real leak but I'm going to stay in denial for a bit longer until one of the insiders pipe up.
 

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Do we have a Mii Costume from a company not already present in Smash that isn't the main character who also doesn't have a character in Smash? Isn't Sans like the ONLY one? And isn't he like the most iconic part of Undertale? If this is real Doom Slayer is in. Geno is a whole nother matter.
We have had Trophies and now spirits from 3rd parties without playable characters. Now we're getting Mii Costumes with Sans. The possibility exists. So don't let your biases towards certain characters/companies make you rush to judgement.
 

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Doom ****ing Slayer and Geno leaks:
 

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Yes, you people who are saying costumes don't inherently mean corresponding characters are technically right. It's true.

But look who it is. It's a Mallow costume, and a Cacodemon costume.

And you're assuming they're the only ones from those series.
 

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What makes this fun is that there's no kill date, being a dev kit means this is what's being worked on right now, whereas Terry and all his content should be done so if this is real we won't even see it in his presentation. The way I see it, these are our options
1: Fake
2: Real and has Slayer and Geno as playable
3: Real and has Slayer while not showing off the returning Geno costume
4: Real but Slayer's not there at all
5: Real but both of these are just costumes with nothing else for Geno and Slayer
Rightly said. It's going to get fun around here.
 

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Mii costumes don't imply characters.
Mii Costumes don't confirm characters, but they certainly do imply them. There's no chance a Cacodemon shows up in Smash without Doomguy, whether as another Costume or as playable. Same with Mallow. We are certainly dealing with the implication of Doomguy and Geno in Smash in some presence. It's up to each one of us to determine whether we think it's likelier for them to be playable or costumes.

Personally, and as much as I'd want to be sure, I feel it's still anyone's game about Geno. With Doomguy, though? I really don't think they go to Bethesda for two Mii Costumes and nothing else, so we get Doomguy or Dovahkiin.
 

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Just say no to noun-verbers. :-(

Another fun game with plank:
Why do you want your top 3? What reasons are they so high up in your list? I’ll start.
Freddy Fazbear- I’ve gotten back into a fnaf craze kind of and I kind of miss fnaf, also I think he would be very unique from a moveset and just his presence alone would make the game feel different.

Geno- The Geno thread is absolutely incredible and really got me hooked on the character, we have waited for a very long time and we are ready for geno in smash.

SACKBOY- OH BOY, Sackboys my most wanted because I really want LBP to stay alive, but also because Sackboy would be insanely hype and he’s my childhood, and the moveset potential is INSANE.
1) Elenor Camuel:
We don't have any MM/C/ORPG characters in Smash yet, and PSO has a significant place in my heart and in history. It is the ORPG that first cemented the possibility of the genre on consoles, was one of the first games on Nintendo hardware to take advantage of online, and has defined what I'm interested in from an ORPG for years now.​
Falz Memoria could be a great stage (or Pioneer 2 if they really want to go that route), and the music is phenomenal.​
Elenor specifically is a RAcaseal, and stands as the most memorable and visually-recognizable archetype character from PSO to me. Being a Ranger, she could have a more interesting/unique kit than you would get from a Hunter, and there are a ton of rare guns with fun special abilities you could implement into her moveset (Snow Queen, Spread Needle, Dark Meteor, Drill Launcher, Samba Maracas, etc.)​
2) Kevin Keene:
Captain N was Smash long before Smash was Smash. All of Kevin's friends (aside from the OCs: Princess Lana, Duke, and Game Boy) are now in Smash, so it's the perfect time to bring him back. And it can serve as a means to reimagine and reboot the series (make it a Nintendo take on Kingdom Hearts or something).​
Kevin himself utilized Nintendo peripherals as the bulk of his arsenal, and there are a lot of new toys he can be given to play with - A Wii Balance-(Hover)-Board, a Wii-U tablet that can be used to spawn items/stun enemies with a flash/etc, a ring-con that can either burst air as in Ring Fit Adventure or bind enemies... Lots of fun stuff.​
3) Haruka Amami:
Smash has yet to tap into the rhythm game market, the idol market, or the overarching waifu market, and iM@S would hit all of those, bringing us a character unlike pretty much anyone else we've had so far.​
I'm open to most of the idols in the franchise as it stands, which leads into the next points:​
a) It could potentially a Bowser Jr. situation with up to 8 idols getting in at once under one slot,​
b) Easy, fun, and yet still quite distinct, echoes would be possible.​
If you don't look at the potential for additional inclusions however, and just look at Haruka alone, weaponized tripping could make a comeback! >_>​
Music-wise, you've got years of games heavily built around music to pull from, so there's a ton of fun stuff there.​
You could also have a unique feature of the stage being that any idol there contributes to the vocals for the song playing
 

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And you're assuming they're the only ones from those series.
No, there might be other SMRPG and Doom costumes.

I'm assuming they wouldn't be Geno or Doom Slayer though, yes.

And that is an assumption, but one I feel comfortable in making.
 

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We have had Trophies and now spirits from 3rd parties without playable characters. Now we're getting Mii Costumes with Sans. The possibility exists. So don't let your biases towards certain characters/companies make you rush to judgement.
Why would they add the Cacodemon though? Who isn't even close to being the main character? Nor the most popular Demon?

It just doesn't make any sense. The ONLY way I can see this being real and going a different way is if a DIFFERENT Bethesda rep like Dragonborn gets in and you know what? I'd be totally cool with that too.

Trust me, I got Snake back, Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, Banjo, and possibly Hayabusa. There's no way I'm gonna be disappointed by any character that does or doesn't show up. Everything from base game has been icing and it just seems to be getting sweeter.
 

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Yeah, looks like that might be the case. I just have a hard time believing that it's possible to get two western characters in the same pass after having to wait 2 decades just to get 1 lol. This is also a post-Grinch leak world so someone going to such drastic measures to generate fake hype wouldn't be surprising. One of the anon's on there put it well:


There's also this SSBU mod posted on there which doesn't rule out potential modeling in Ultimate:

I do hope it's a real leak but I'm going to stay in denial for a bit longer until one of the insiders pipe up.
It's the frozen timer that's the real clue here. I haven't been able to figure out if you can enter debug from just modding.
 

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Mii Costumes don't confirm characters, but they certainly do imply them. There's no chance a Cacodemon shows up in Smash without Doomguy, whether as another Costume or as playable. Same with Mallow. We are certainly dealing with the implication of Doomguy and Geno in Smash in some presence. It's up to each one of us to determine whether we think it's likelier for them to be playable or costumes.

Personally, and as much as I'd want to be sure, I feel it's still anyone's game about Geno. With Doomguy, though? I really don't think they go to Bethesda for two Mii Costumes and nothing else, so we get Doomguy or Dovahkiin.
Counter point, we live in a post Sans costume world. It could easily be that situation again.
 

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Oh man... ngl this does nothing for me. Not gonna say I hope its not real, because I know a lot of people are gonna be super hyped if this IS real, but for me personally its a bit deflating. Gonna be a while before I have any new character hype to look forward to if this is true.

Though, one thing I will say is that if Geno does get in that does give me a bit more hope for characters like Isaac. If only because it indicates that Smash community favorites are still on the table. (Banjo counts for this, but I feel he has more appeal to non-smashers, whereas as far as I can tell the Geno hype seems to largely come from the Smash community itself).
 

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Why would they add the Cacodemon though? Who isn't even close to being the main character? Nor the most popular Demon?
I thought the cacodemon was extremely popular. Like, rivalling the cyberdemon popular.

There's plushies of it available and it gets used a fair bit as a mascot through Doom communities.
 
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Ooh, a contending leak. Interesting

If it was Doom Slayer indeed, it wouldn't make sense to release a costume unless he also happened to get magically released alongside Terry. This cacodemon, if real, would seem to deconfirm him. Geno too, I think.
 

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Just because they look ready doesn’t mean they’re with Terry. Some things get done in advanced, and based on stuff Sakurai said, they’re going along very quickly and ahead of schedule.
Yeah, it would be really strange to bundle these costumes with Terry, instead of something that's at least partially related like Metal Slug costumes. It's more likely they're coming with Fighter 5, whoever it is.

The first two Fighters Pass characters came with costumes that were somewhat relevant. Joker came with both Persona and Sonic costumes (both series are owned by Sega), and Hero appropriately came with Dragon Quest costumes.

Banjo is an outlier so far since his costumes have nothing to do with the Banjo-Kazooie series, and I imagine it's because (and this is just me speculating on this) Sakurai and his team could only get the rights to use stuff from the Banjo-Kazooie series, and not anything else from Rare or Microsoft. They probably then concluded that the Banjo-Kazooie series didn't have any good Mii costume material, hence Banjo's Mii costumes are instead random characters like Goemon and Sans. For Terry, even if they were restricted to just Fatal Fury, that series alone has plenty of good choices for Mii costumes. There'd be no reason to include unrelated costumes like they did with Banjo.
 
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Why would they add the Cacodemon though? Who isn't even close to being the main character? Nor the most popular Demon?

It just doesn't make any sense. The ONLY way I can see this being real and going a different way is if a DIFFERENT Bethesda rep like Dragonborn gets in and you know what? I'd be totally cool with that too.

Trust me, I got Snake back, Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, Banjo, and possibly Hayabusa. There's no way I'm gonna be disappointed by any character that does or doesn't show up. Everything from base game has been icing and it just seems to be getting sweeter.
Cacodemon is pretty popular and would be the easiest to add when it comes to Mii costumes, compared to full body ones or even other hat costumes, since it's just a cimple circle, eyes, and teeth IMO.
 

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Why do you want your top 3? What reasons are they so high up in your list? I’ll start.
Isaac, because Golden Sun is such an underrated gem. Also because of nostalgia, will to set in stone this legacy, and moveset potential. He is the only character that I want that much.
Elma, because XCX is such an underrated gem. Also because she's a woman in this world of men, and a dual gun and dual blade user. And because of XCX music.
Phoenix Wright for is wonkiness and history with Nintendo. I'm sure he would be a funny character. And for music.
 

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I thought the cacodemon was extremely popular. Like, rivalling the cyberdemon popular.

There's plushies of it available and it gets used a fair bit as a mascot through Doom communities.
Pinky is the most popular probably. Cacodemon is up there sure but it's not everyone's absolute favorite Demon. However you do make a point because even though it's not overtly popular it is often used on loading screens, merch, and as a logo for certain Doom Online shenanigans...

Not sure if that makes this leak less likely or the opposite.
 
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Hey, don't feel to down in the dumps my friend, this could easily be a mod or just mii costumes.
I HAVE EVERY ****ING RIGHT TO.

I'm known for thinking in advance. We still don't have credible word from the leaker but I'm calling it now. IT JUST LOOKED TO CONVINCING FROM WHAT I SAW. ****.

Excuse my swearing, but I feel so down with disappointment.

Had there be no "More DLC incoming" I would've flipped out totally.
 

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Someone needs to upload either of the two webms to YouTube.
If the video gets suddenly taken down on there, then game set and match.
 

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I’m more inclined to believe this is fake, but I can still hope. It’s more believable than the Grinch leak, I’ll give it that much lol. Just not as believable as the Ken leak to me.
 
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If leak is real and Geno and Doomguy are coming, I'll just take the L and move on from the spirits disconfirming characters. For now, I'll just wait.
 

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Someone needs to upload either of the two webms to YouTube.
If the video gets suddenly taken down on there, then game set and match.
Not exactly. You can take it from fireden or any other 4chan thread archive site. Just keep track of the thread number and extract it from there.
 
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I HAVE EVERY ****ING RIGHT TO.

I'm known for thinking in advance. We still don't have credible word from the leaker but I'm calling it now. IT JUST LOOKED TO CONVINCING FROM WHAT I SAW. ****.

Excuse my swearing, but I feel so down with disappointment.

Had there be no "More DLC incoming" I would've flipped out totally.
I understand that and it's okay to feel disappointed but it could all be for nothing. These could be just a Sans situation or modding. I say patience is key. Don't flip out until Sakurai confirms or...Nintendo ****s up as always.
 

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I cannot wait. I cannot. I just can't.
Yes, but why would the Mii costumes confirm the characters when costumes related to the character only appear alongside their release? I'm not seeing this happening if this is playtesting from the next version of the game.

Your optimism is great but keeps reality in check too.
 

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Not exactly. You can take it from fireden or any other 4chan thread archive site. Just keep track of the thread number and extract it from there.
They weren't talking about it being removed from 4chan. Rather uploading the 4chan video to YouTube to see if Nintendo takes it down because it's a legit leak.
 
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I just noticed something.

The timer on the videos is stuck at 2:30. It's not moving in the slightest. That's a definite hint at it being a dev build, but could still be a hack.

But Ken? And the SAME 2:30 second timer as the Ken leak?

...If it's real, this could be the same person, holy crap.
 

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Counter point, we live in a post Sans costume world. It could easily be that situation again.
I think that's more of a situation for Indies than anything else. Sans required negotiation with just one person, who, as it turned out, had a professional relationship with Nintendo through Game Freak. I really don't see Sakurai going through licensing with Bethesda (and possibly id) for mere Costumes.
Had there be no "More DLC incoming" I would've flipped out totally.
Sorry but... How is that not what you're doing now?
 
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Yes, but why would the Mii costumes confirm the characters when costumes related to the character only appear alongside their release? I'm not seeing this happening if this is playtesting from the next version of the game.

Your optimism is great but keeps reality in check too.
My disappointment is immeasurable.

I can't believe my eyes.
 
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