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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Darkmoone1

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Unpopular Smash opinions that I have.
1. Crash would be a poor choice for Smash. I mean what's his appeal? And this is coming from a former fan of his. A better option should be Jak and Daxter.
Personally, I'd take Ratchet & Clank or Sly Cooper over Jak & Daxter.

I definitely agree with the notion of how newcomers are received in the Smash community is pretty disheartening. However, I also feel like it comes with the territory of making a fighters pass primarily on bringing in third party characters. If anything, the hope is that people ask the question "Who is this?" So that one day they can find out for themselves.
 
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Himiko

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What do you mean your side of the fan base? Are you talking about people (mostly women, I've observed) that will only play as or will only be happy with female characters? Then yes, you're probably right.

Lara Croft appeals to me and I'm a guy. There are a lot of women out there whose top pick is a male character. We, unlike some of you in this thread, aren't so bought into certain ideologies as to be completely unsatisfied with Smash or its DLC if we don't get an "X" character, in this case a female DLC fighter. We're just happy with anything, really. Bummed sometimes, sure, but we're not freaking boycotting the pass because of it.

Sakurai and his team are no doubt trying to satisfy as many fans as possible with their character picks, as evidenced by the fact that we have 80+ characters in this all-star fighting game. So for you to criticize them as "not caring" about you like you're being discriminated against is pure conjecture and is quite ridiculous. You've guys have got to let go of this mentality that if people don't pander to you that you're going to just remain unsatisfied. If you do, then you will be missing out on all the great things you do have. Sure, I don't have Isaac and I'll probably never get Scorpion. But man, I am so glad the team has worked so hard to secure the rights to the fighters they have. What an awesome privilege we have to put Mario, Sonic, Samus, Banjo and Kazooie, Cloud, Mega Man, Simon, and Link on the same screen together!
"Our side of the fanbase" as in people that prefer playing female characters for whatever reason, and I'm a guy. You can call it "boycotting" or whatever you want, but I'm not going to buy something that I don't like. What's most ridiculous of all is you trying to tell me and others how to feel and how to think. You may be happy with anything, you may feel privileged of the current roster, great. But that doesn't mean everyone else is or has to be.
 
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Unpopular opinion: A lot of these unpopular opinions are repeats of the same Anti-Smash Bubble Bubble talking points we see almost every day in this thread.
Question for you, isn't calling the Anti-Smash Bubble Bubble a Bubble conceding the fact that there is a Smash Bubble in the first place and validating their bad aspects?
 

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Found another one of those 4chan leaks.
This time, it’s Mii Hats (4chan warning)

Mii hats that could be added appear to be:
Mallow
Cacodemon (Doom)
I’m honestly leaning fake on this one.
 

ZoroCarlos

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Found another one of those 4chan leaks.
This time, it’s Mii Hats (4chan warning)

Mii hats that could be added appear to be:
Mallow
Cacodemon (Doom)
I’m honestly leaning fake on this one.
I LOVE how they had Ken in there doing the same exact pose from the real Ken leak from last year like it's a nod or something
 
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There's a WEBM for it now too. So it's either real or mods got really good while no-one was looking (and for Mii Costume pieces at that).

edit: make that two WEBMs
 
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TheCJBrine

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Found another one of those 4chan leaks.
This time, it’s Mii Hats (4chan warning)

Mii hats that could be added appear to be:
Mallow
Cacodemon (Doom)
I’m honestly leaning fake on this one.
Yeah, it’s probably just a modder. There’s a nice Geno costume mod for Super Mario Odyssey.

GENO, GENO, GENO IN THE HOUSE!

YEAH, AND MALLOW IS HERE TOO, BABY!

GENO, GENO, GENO IN THE HOUSE...!
 
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After all the he-said-she-said leaks of recent memory, it's nice to get back to a "let's dissect it frame-by-frame" kind of leak.
 

ZoroCarlos

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Yeah, it’s probably just a modder. There’s a nice Geno costume mod for Super Mario Odyssey.

GENO, GENO, GENO IN THE HOUSE!

YEAH, AND MALLOW IS HERE TOO, BABY!

GENO, GENO, GENO IN THE HOUSE...!
If you go further down you see a video with the timer frozen which indicates debug mode, right? Is it possible for a modded Switch to enter debug?
 

Darkmoone1

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There's a WEBM for it now too. So it's either real or mods got really good while no-one was looking (and for Mii Costume pieces at that).
Yeesh. If you think this is real.....what does this mean? Mallow is from the Super Mario RPG, which would indicate Geno. But Cacodemon is from Doom, which would indicate the Doom Slayer...

If the leak is real, is it saying that it's one of the two?

In any case, Terry is just around the corner. Unless it's seriously evident, I don't want to believe anything just yet...
 

AceAttorney9000

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Found another one of those 4chan leaks.
This time, it’s Mii Hats (4chan warning)

Mii hats that could be added appear to be:
Mallow
Cacodemon (Doom)
I’m honestly leaning fake on this one.
Are these supposed to be Mii Costumes that will be coming with Terry? If so, those are... weird choices to bundle with Terry.

If it's real, I hope this doesn't mean we're getting a repeat of Banjo's Mii Costumes, where they were essentially all random and none of them really have anything to do with the character.
 
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TheCJBrine

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If you go further down you see a video with the timer frozen which indicates debug mode, right? Is it possible for a modded Switch to enter debug?
Perhaps, but I’m not a modder myself.

If this is real, I guess Geno is in the House and Doomguy is gonna bring the BFG.
 
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Found another one of those 4chan leaks.
This time, it’s Mii Hats (4chan warning)

Mii hats that could be added appear to be:
Mallow
Cacodemon (Doom)
I’m honestly leaning fake on this one.
You know... the fact that it's a Cacodemon gets me...

The Mallow hat, yeah it can go either way, but... the Cacodemon... that's a brand new model for it. Like that's not a Doom (2016) Cacodemon, that's based off of the old Sprite through and through and there's not a 3D model of that.

Guys... did we really just leak Doom Slayer and possibly Geno... through ****ing Mii Costumes are you ****ing serious?? Best timeline that we might be getting Doom Slayer but... really?
 
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Yeesh. If you think this is real.....what does this mean? Mallow is from the Super Mario RPG, which would indicate Geno. But Cacodemon is from Doom, which would indicate the Doom Slayer...

If the leak is real, is it saying that it's one of the two?

In any case, Terry is just around the corner. Unless it's seriously evident, I don't want to believe anything just yet...
There's also the possibility it's not showing a full picture. Maybe Geno's still a costume but wasn't shown, maybe the Cacodemon is with a Doom Slayer costume but that wasn't shown.
 
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Are these supposed to be Mii Costumes that will be coming with Terry? If so, those are... weird choices
Weird choices. Expecting some SNK characters to go as Mii Costumes.

My legs are ****ing weak right now because we might not get a female newcomer DAMMIT
 

Darkmoone1

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You know... the fact that it's a Cacodemon gets me...

The Mallow hat, yeah it can go either way, but... the Cacodemon... that's a brand new model for it. Like that's not a Doom (2016) Cacodemon, that's based off of the old Sprite through and through and there's not a 3D model of that.

Guys... did we really just leak Doom Slayer and possibly Geno... through ****ing Mii Costumes are you ****ing serious?? Best timeline that we might be getting Doom Slayer but... really?
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Imagine they answer Geno fans with Mallow as a costume and possibly Smithy based on that one leak, instead of Geno with Mallow in a taunt or as a bonus fighter.

dies inside.
 

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What the **** there's a ****ing video? And the timer is stopped? What the hell?!

Is this ****ing really real? Is #5 ****ing Doom Slayer??? Are my dreams coming true???
 

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Even if it's real, we got Goemon, Sans, etc. Mii costumes without playable reps from their respective series. We could theoretically get costumes (maybe with songs attached) from other games without playable characters. Just saying.
 
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Even if it's real, we got Goemon, Sans, etc. Mii costumes without a playable reps from the series. We could theoretically get costumes from other games without a playable character attache, too. Just saying.
Probably...

But seriously...it looks too convincing... I don't feel so good.

Shoootttt...
 

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Even if it's real, we got Goemon, Sans, etc. Mii costumes without a playable reps from the series. We could theoretically get costumes from other games without a playable character attache, too. Just saying.
I’d find it strange they‘d negotiate for a DOOM demon and not the demon slayer himself.
 
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I’d find it strange they‘d negotiate for a DOOM demon and not the demon slayer himself.
Which is kinda strange if you think about it.

I can't comprehend this ****... What the actual ****...
 
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How big is the modding scene for Ultimate right now? Cause there's always the possibility that those are just fan-made mods (albeit really, really good ones).
 

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So, best case scenario, this is:
Doomguy with Geno as a bonus character

Worst case scenario, this is:
Dovahkiin/Fallout guy and Geno costume return
 

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I'm telling you guys that is a BRAND NEW, FULL BODY, Cacodemon. That is a LOT of work for a mod, usually mods consist of reusing older assets from other games and making them work for Smash. This usually means that the Hat almost ALWAYS takes over the entire Mii head.

For context the "Modder" if it were fake would have to create a brand new Cacodemon model, rearrange its features so to better fit in the hit box (which is a big problem for Hat mods), create a negative space within that brand new model, port it into Smash, perfectly insert it onto another model without it interfering with the geometry, AND assure they could capture videos without any sudden flickering or clipping...

Holy **** guys.
 

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Just a guess, but I think either Geno will return as a Mii costume, maybe with a makeover to make the Mii indistinguishable from Geno. Y'know, the Sans treatment. Maybe Doomguy might be a costume too a la Mystical Ninja, but that's less likely.
 

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I hope it's not real.

I'm going to feel really disgusted that I gave Bethesda, one of the worst companies in the world my money.
 
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I came back from class and tried to get free cut and all I got was a convincing leak for Doom Slayer with no evidence of a female character...

 

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We have Monster Hunter stuff without a rep
Tbf Rathalos is the mascot of the series, so the most iconic part of the franchise was still there.


I'm just going to say fake until proven real. We've seen quite a few impressive fakes so this gets to go on the convincing list alongside the infamous Rayman rumour from Smash 4 if it's fake
 
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