Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Droodle]

Points toward Tales rep in Smash:
- Has a good chunk of requests.
- Namco Bandai has trademarked 2 logos for the tales of series that were discovered early in October.
- Next year is the series' 25th anniversary

Points towards the representative being Lloyd:
- Lloyd's Mii costume from 4 is missing
- Lloyd's original voice actor, Scott Menville, stated that he has signed an NDA for a cool voiceover project.
- Lloyd definitely has the biggest fanbase pushing for his inclusion in Smash.

Yuri Lowell also has a decent shot to appear in Smash, and I feel like a lot of people ignore him. He definitely has a lot less going for him in Smash compared to Lloyd though.
- Most popular Tales character, to the point where he was banned from official polls and put in a Hall of Fame.
- Tends to be the Tales representative in other crossovers, appearing in things like Project X Zone, and Granblue Fantasy.
- Vesperia definitive edition (Yuri's game) is the latest Tales game to hit a Nintendo system.

Points towards Velvet being the representative:
- Newest official protagonist (not counting the Tales game next year).
- Most popular female Tales of character. Does better in official polls compared to Lloyd, and (I think) the only female Tales of character to get in the top 10.
- Would probably be the most unique with her Demon arm.

I personally think Tales of will definitely end up getting a fighter in Smash. While it doesn't have any definitive evidence, it seems like a safe bet overall. What I don't know is if it'll be FP #5 or a post-pass character.

My guess is that we'll get Lloyd with Yuri as a Mii fighter, or vice versa. I don't think Velvet has a great shot, but she may appear as a costume/spirit.

 

[Plank08]

I could see both Master Chief and Steve get in if we were gonna get as many characters as the data mining said

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Points toward Tales rep in Smash:
- Has a good chunk of requests.
- Namco Bandai has trademarked 2 logos for the tales of series that were discovered early in October.
- Next year is the series' 25th anniversary

Points towards the representative being Lloyd:
- Lloyd's Mii costume from 4 is missing
- Lloyd's original voice actor, Scott Menville, stated that he has signed an NDA for a cool voiceover project.
- Lloyd definitely has the biggest fanbase pushing for his inclusion in Smash.

Yuri Lowell also has a decent shot to appear in Smash, and I feel like a lot of people ignore him. He definitely has a lot less going for him in Smash compared to Lloyd though.
- Most popular Tales character, to the point where he was banned from official polls and put in a Hall of Fame.
- Tends to be the Tales representative in other crossovers, appearing in things like Project X Zone, and Granblue Fantasy.
- Vesperia definitive edition (Yuri's game) is the latest Tales game to hit a Nintendo system.

Points towards Velvet being the representative:
- Newest official protagonist (not counting the Tales game next year).
- Most popular female Tales of character. Does better in official polls compared to Lloyd, and (I think) the only female Tales of character to get in the top 10.
- Would probably be the most unique with her Demon arm.

I personally think Tales of will definitely end up getting a fighter in Smash. While it doesn't have any definitive evidence, it seems like a safe bet overall. What I don't know is if it'll be FP #5 or a post-pass character.

My guess is that we'll get Lloyd with Yuri as a Mii fighter, or vice versa. I don't think Velvet has a great shot, but she may appear as a costume/spirit.

What polls?

 

[JustMyself13]

Points toward Tales rep in Smash:
- Has a good chunk of requests.
- Namco Bandai has trademarked 2 logos for the tales of series that were discovered early in October.
- Next year is the series' 25th anniversary

Points towards the representative being Lloyd:
- Lloyd's Mii costume from 4 is missing
- Lloyd's original voice actor, Scott Menville, stated that he has signed an NDA for a cool voiceover project.
- Lloyd definitely has the biggest fanbase pushing for his inclusion in Smash.

Yuri Lowell also has a decent shot to appear in Smash, and I feel like a lot of people ignore him. He definitely has a lot less going for him in Smash compared to Lloyd though.
- Most popular Tales character, to the point where he was banned from official polls and put in a Hall of Fame.
- Tends to be the Tales representative in other crossovers, appearing in things like Project X Zone, and Granblue Fantasy.
- Vesperia definitive edition (Yuri's game) is the latest Tales game to hit a Nintendo system.

Points towards Velvet being the representative:
- Newest official protagonist (not counting the Tales game next year).
- Most popular female Tales of character. Does better in official polls compared to Lloyd, and (I think) the only female Tales of character to get in the top 10.
- Would probably be the most unique with her Demon arm.

I personally think Tales of will definitely end up getting a fighter in Smash. While it doesn't have any definitive evidence, it seems like a safe bet overall. What I don't know is if it'll be FP #5 or a post-pass character.

My guess is that we'll get Lloyd with Yuri as a Mii fighter, or vice versa. I don't think Velvet has a great shot, but she may appear as a costume/spirit.

Wasn’t it confirmed that Scott was talking about the new Arkham game?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Points toward Tales rep in Smash:
- Has a good chunk of requests.
- Namco Bandai has trademarked 2 logos for the tales of series that were discovered early in October.
- Next year is the series' 25th anniversary

Points towards the representative being Lloyd:
- Lloyd's Mii costume from 4 is missing
- Lloyd's original voice actor, Scott Menville, stated that he has signed an NDA for a cool voiceover project.
- Lloyd definitely has the biggest fanbase pushing for his inclusion in Smash.

Yuri Lowell also has a decent shot to appear in Smash, and I feel like a lot of people ignore him. He definitely has a lot less going for him in Smash compared to Lloyd though.
- Most popular Tales character, to the point where he was banned from official polls and put in a Hall of Fame.
- Tends to be the Tales representative in other crossovers, appearing in things like Project X Zone, and Granblue Fantasy.
- Vesperia definitive edition (Yuri's game) is the latest Tales game to hit a Nintendo system.

Points towards Velvet being the representative:
- Newest official protagonist (not counting the Tales game next year).
- Most popular female Tales of character. Does better in official polls compared to Lloyd, and (I think) the only female Tales of character to get in the top 10.
- Would probably be the most unique with her Demon arm.

I personally think Tales of will definitely end up getting a fighter in Smash. While it doesn't have any definitive evidence, it seems like a safe bet overall. What I don't know is if it'll be FP #5 or a post-pass character.

My guess is that we'll get Lloyd with Yuri as a Mii fighter, or vice versa. I don't think Velvet has a great shot, but she may appear as a costume/spirit.

You said you’d include a KOS-MOS analysis as well? Also, which other non-Tales Namco characters do you think have a shot?

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Joke: Blinx the cat. Anyone remember him?




No? Just me?

I was actually looking that series up recently, and if wiki is accurate, MS dropped the trademark... So I'm not sure what that would mean as far as rights go...

But if we're looking at other MS reps, MS bought DoubleFine, which puts Raz on the table... And since DoubleFine bought the rights to Grim Fandango, Manny Calavera is available as well.

 

[Sysreq]

My take on the whole "Anime Swordsman" debacle is that I don't think the complaints are unjust but I see it mostly as a Fire Emblem problem because all the characters in that series look the same to me. We pretty much have four characters who essentially play the same with Marth, Lucina, Roy and Chrom. Then we have three Links, Ike, Robin, Corrin, Shulk, Cloud, Mii Swordfighter and the Dragon Quest heroes so I can see why it can get a little tiresome seeing another 6'2 human Swordfighter. They are visually uninteresting compared to most of the characters in Super Smash Bros and blend in with the crowd with their mostly medieval fantasy setting.

Well that's what I think anyway.

Shulk, Cloud, and Mii Swordfighter look nothing like medieval fantasy, what are you talking about. Shulk has a ****ing laser sword.

 

[Plank08]

So our front runners for FP5 are:
Resident Evil Rep
Lloyd Irving
Phoinex Wright
Geno
Doomslayer
Reimu
Kos-Mos
Crash
Sackboy
Anyone I’m missing?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

And with all the talk of female representatives, I made a thread for Miriam from Bloodstained

https://smashboards.com/threads/the...ding-maiden-miriam-support-thread-wip.491913/

Still a ways to go on getting the thing looking good but if you want me to add y'all to the supporter's list let me know.

 

[SKX31]

To be honest I don't think we'll be seeing anything from Blizzard for a while. The Warcraft and League of Legends series are largely PC based and don't have much to do with Nintendo, and Overwatch didn't get a Switch port until the end of it's life. This might not matter quite as much if Overwatch 2 is also coming to Switch but then why port the first game there if you're just going to throw out a sequel that's pretty much the same thing as the original? (Unless I'm mistaken about that.)

Overwatch 2's not really a sequel, what 2 is is the single player / PvE campaign, graphical overhaul etc. They'll merge 2 with the standard Overwatch, so the multiplayer's practically remains as it is. Blizzard basically are doing a Fortnite with Overwatch (with the multiplayer staying on put, and the single player being its own paid for stuff). The only reason I could see Overwatch 2 getting its name is probably marketing / PR-related.

I could see any of these (or Dota 2) getting in actually. If Sakurai likes any of those games he'd use the "this franchise's crossing over to Nintendo territory" as a convienient timing. Characters like Gordon Freeman could also benefit from the convinience.

Since LoL's probably making it over to the Switch (given what 3BitSaurus mentioned re: Wild Rift, aka. console / mobile LoL); and if one of Dota 2's own maps is actually getting to the Switch, I wouldn't be surprised if Valve makes a similar move. With either Dota 2's main game or its spin off. WoW also has a shot, but I'd be more optimistic if Hearthstone had made it over. As it stands it's a crapshoot there.

 

[DarthEnderX]

A character's legacy is infinitely more important than the date that character came into existence when it comes to Smash. Being old or older doesn't entitle characters to anything special.

And what I think is that ALL factors are relevant, not just the ones you don't decide to arbitrarily exclude in order to draw a circle around the character you prefer.

Wha.... WHAT? How is any self-respecting fan of the NES going to hate Duck Hunt? They defined that generation alongside Mario for crying out loud!

And then promptly did nothing for 30 years.

Like...you couldn't even make a Duck Hunt game for the Wii, Nintendo? Come on.

 

[Door Key Pig]

- Lloyd definitely has the biggest fanbase pushing for his inclusion in Smash.

Uh that's a bit of a bold claim.

I wouldn't guess Lloyd being FP5 as we'd have three of the five FP characters be anime JRPG swordsmen, though I guess you could say Smash 4's DLC was dominated by those

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Overwatch 2's not really a sequel, what 2 is is the single player / PvE campaign, graphical overhaul etc. They'll merge 2 with the standard Overwatch, so the multiplayer's practically remains as it is. Blizzard basically are doing a Fortnite with Overwatch (with the multiplayer staying on put, and the single player being its own paid for stuff). The only reason I could see Overwatch 2 getting its name is probably marketing / PR-related.

So it's just an expansion? Why they gotta make things confusing?

 

[OrpheusTelos]

You know I've got nothing really specifically pointing towards it, but I feel like Professor Layton has a good chance. Maybe I'm just feeling overly optimistic today, but regardless I'm going to predict Professor Layton as fighter #5.

I'm curious to see what other characters people are predicting as of now, we're kind of in a lull in terms of speculation until Terry releases. There a good probability that we could all be wrong, but what fun is speculation without risk. So what characters are y'all predicting?

Until we get concrete evidence saying otherwise, I'm still team Resident Evil. Even if people argue that Doomguy's the cooler gun weilder, RE is still the biggest Japanese franchise not represented in any form yet and I just can't see it being ignored. Considering this was probably meant to be the last piece of Smash DLC for a while, an RE character feels like the perfect way to round out the Fighters Pass given its legacy and impact on the survival horror genre.

Also, I don't think the Proto Man and Zero costumes mean anything against a Capcom character, since we're still missing the Monster Hunter costumes, X, and .EXE, along with the potential RE costumes. I also don't think it means much for Bamco either, since there's still a chance that Heihachi's costume might be brought back alongside Terry. I could be wrong since I thought the same thing for Lloyd's costume coming out alongside Hero, but the Virtua Fighter costumes also being absent makes me think the fighting game costumes are being saved for Terry.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

WoW also has a shot, but I'd be more optimistic if Hearthstone had made it over. As it stands it's a crapshoot there.

While I personally support an MMO rep getting into Smash (less WoW than others, granted), I still think that if they were going to tap anything from Blizzard that isn't Overwatch, Starcraft is the smarter play.

 

[Himiko]

No thanks to Minecraft. Halo is kinda cool though, so I guess I’d prefer Master Chief in that Microsoft scenario. Still isn’t catering to my tastes either way though.

I don’t know much about Xenosaga. I mean it’s possible I played one of the games on ps2 a long time ago, I vaguely remember playing a game with armored Android-like girls similar to KOS-MOS, plus the Xenosaga Episode 1 cover art looks somehow familiar. But KOS-MOS looks really nice, I’d welcome her to Smash and would probably play her.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Watch that we get Master Chief instead of Minecraft content. The reactions yo.

Master Chief would be awesome to me but the only downside is there are no halo games on the Nintendo platform if they got one he'd have a chance unless him showing up in Minecraft counts the only problem I have is how would he work Doom guy is easy to imagine but MC I can't see it no matter how much i want it

 

[JustMyself13]

Until we get concrete evidence saying otherwise, I'm still team Resident Evil. Even if people argue that Doomguy's the cooler gun weilder, RE is still the biggest Japanese franchise not represented in any form yet and I just can't see it being ignored. Considering this was probably meant to be the last piece of Smash DLC for a while, an RE character feels like the perfect way to round out the Fighters Pass given its legacy and impact on the survival horror genre.

Also, I don't think the Proto Man and Zero costumes mean anything against a Capcom character, since we're still missing the Monster Hunter costumes, X, and .EXE, along with the potential RE costumes. I also don't think it means much for Bamco either, since there's still a chance that Heihachi's costume might be brought back alongside Terry. I could be wrong since I thought the same thing for Lloyd's costume coming out alongside Hero, but the Virtua Fighter costumes also being absent makes me think the fighting game costumes are being saved for Terry.

If the mii costume selections are going back to being themed to the character, Heihachi returning with Terry makes total sense.

 

[Deleted member]

My take on the whole "Anime Swordsman" debacle is that I don't think the complaints are unjust but I see it mostly as a Fire Emblem problem because all the characters in that series look the same to me. We pretty much have four characters who essentially play the same with Marth, Lucina, Roy and Chrom. Then we have three Links, Ike, Robin, Corrin, Shulk, Cloud, Mii Swordfighter and the Dragon Quest heroes so I can see why it can get a little tiresome seeing another 6'2 human Swordfighter. They are visually uninteresting compared to most of the characters in Super Smash Bros and blend in with the crowd with their mostly medieval fantasy setting.

Well that's what I think anyway.

Frankly the more I see anime swordsmen complaints, the more ridiculous they get. Even though we have three fighters based on Marth and 2 based on Link, they play nothing alike.

Visually, cartoon characters tend to feel samey as well due to many sharing same design principles so dunno what you're complaining.

Variety is nice in the game and anime swordsmen are a minority, and currently it could be argued that of the 3 dlc characters the 2 that could count as anime swordsmen (Joker and Hero) are some of thr most unique characters in Ultimate so far.

 

[osby]

Shulk, Cloud, and Mii Swordfighter look nothing like medieval fantasy, what are you talking about. Shulk has a ****ing laser sword.

They aren't semi-naked cartoon animals so they aren't allowed to be unique.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Overwatch 2's not really a sequel, what 2 is is the single player / PvE campaign, graphical overhaul etc. They'll merge 2 with the standard Overwatch, so the multiplayer's practically remains as it is. Blizzard basically are doing a Fortnite with Overwatch (with the multiplayer staying on put, and the single player being its own paid for stuff). The only reason I could see Overwatch 2 getting its name is probably marketing / PR-related.

I could see any of these (or Dota 2) getting in actually. If Sakurai likes any of those games he'd use the "this franchise's crossing over to Nintendo territory" as a convienient timing. Characters like Gordon Freeman could also benefit from the convinience.

Since LoL's probably making it over to the Switch (given what 3BitSaurus mentioned re: Wild Rift, aka. console / mobile LoL); and if one of Dota 2's own maps is actually getting to the Switch, I wouldn't be surprised if Valve makes a similar move. With either Dota 2's main game or its spin off. WoW also has a shot, but I'd be more optimistic if Hearthstone had made it over. As it stands it's a crapshoot there.

It's certainly a possibility, especially given LoL's popularity in Asia, particularly South Korea and... uh, China. Though, regarding Blizzard and Valve, people only seem to focus on Overwatch/Team Fortress and sleep on the other IPs. A WoW rep would probably be a big deal for them, I believe.

Regarding the part in bold... didn't Arcsys and other japanese developers do the same with some games waaay before Fortnite? It's kinda funny to see everyone refer to this phenomenon that way if there are earlier examples lol.

 

[osby]

Variety is nice in the game and anime swordsmen are a minority, and currently it could be argued that of the 3 dlc characters the 2 that could count as anime swordsmen (Joker and Hero) are some of thr most unique characters in Ultimate so far.

I was going to say "what, Joker?!" but then I remembered that "knives are just short swords" people do exist.

 

[KatKit]

Solid Bandai Namco reps that don't get thrown around enough:

-God Eater (this one surprises me most). If we don't get a Monster Hunter rep, this will more than suffice.

-Idolmaster

-Dark Souls

-Katamari Damacy

-Agumon (Digimon). When he's brought up, the conversation just turns into pointless anime/video game definition debates.

-Soul Calibur. Usually gets eclipsed by Tekken.

 

[3BitSaurus]

-Soul Calibur. Usually gets eclipsed by Tekken

I guess my only doubts regarding SC is that Tekken is clearly bigger and Heihachi seems to have more support. Dunno, it's kinda like if Frank West got in before Jill Valentine or Leon or Spyro before Crash - two series with similar genres from the same company, but one is clearly bigger than the other. No offense to any fans of the aforementioned characters and series, of course.

SC fans are free to point to something I'm not seeing, though. I was never a big fan, so maybe...

 

[TheYungLink]

Gwen brought up Blinx the Timesweeper and I just wanna point out his character design was by the same designer for Sonic the Hedgehog, which is why Blinx's design is pretty great.

If Blinx didn't die due to the sequel releasing around the same time as Halo 2(!!!!!), I think he could be a pretty fun character if they managed to implement his time powers faithfully. That, and he uses a vacuum, which I guess Luigi does but only for his grabs, Blinx could make using time powers and a vacuum his Thing.

For anyone that would like an honest look at the Blinx games, Nitro Rad covered both games on his channel for anyone interested. Don't expect him at all since he's dead, but Blinx is a nice "what could have been" sort of inclusion.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

My take on the whole "Anime Swordsman" debacle is that I don't think the complaints are unjust but I see it mostly as a Fire Emblem problem because all the characters in that series look the same to me. We pretty much have four characters who essentially play the same with Marth, Lucina, Roy and Chrom. Then we have three Links, Ike, Robin, Corrin, Shulk, Cloud, Mii Swordfighter and the Dragon Quest heroes so I can see why it can get a little tiresome seeing another 6'2 human Swordfighter. They are visually uninteresting compared to most of the characters in Super Smash Bros and blend in with the crowd with their mostly medieval fantasy setting.

Well that's what I think anyway.

Are you saying that Marth, Lucina, Roy and Chrom all have the same singular playstyle with no differences between them?

Because if you are, I'm begging you, please tell me you're trolling.

 

[Deleted member]

You said you’d include a KOS-MOS analysis as well? Also, which other non-Tales Namco characters do you think have a shot?

Yeah...where is she?

 

[Icedragonadam]

Points toward Tales rep in Smash:
- Has a good chunk of requests.
- Namco Bandai has trademarked 2 logos for the tales of series that were discovered early in October.
- Next year is the series' 25th anniversary

Points towards the representative being Lloyd:
- Lloyd's Mii costume from 4 is missing
- Lloyd's original voice actor, Scott Menville, stated that he has signed an NDA for a cool voiceover project.
- Lloyd definitely has the biggest fanbase pushing for his inclusion in Smash.

Yuri Lowell also has a decent shot to appear in Smash, and I feel like a lot of people ignore him. He definitely has a lot less going for him in Smash compared to Lloyd though.
- Most popular Tales character, to the point where he was banned from official polls and put in a Hall of Fame.
- Tends to be the Tales representative in other crossovers, appearing in things like Project X Zone, and Granblue Fantasy.
- Vesperia definitive edition (Yuri's game) is the latest Tales game to hit a Nintendo system.

Points towards Velvet being the representative:
- Newest official protagonist (not counting the Tales game next year).
- Most popular female Tales of character. Does better in official polls compared to Lloyd, and (I think) the only female Tales of character to get in the top 10.
- Would probably be the most unique with her Demon arm.

I personally think Tales of will definitely end up getting a fighter in Smash. While it doesn't have any definitive evidence, it seems like a safe bet overall. What I don't know is if it'll be FP #5 or a post-pass character.

My guess is that we'll get Lloyd with Yuri as a Mii fighter, or vice versa. I don't think Velvet has a great shot, but she may appear as a costume/spirit.

Also, the NoA Insider also said that Tales related news is coming soon.

 

[cj.]

I think Mortal Kombat characters still fit that description. When people think of Mortal Kombat, they think of fatalities. When people think of Doom, they think of ripping and tearing.

However, we have already seen the Fatalities attenuated before and still haven't lost their essence, in some games you can even deactivate the blood
Mortal Kombat is much more than just senseless blood and violence, he has an extensive lore, his characters have their own personalities, is also known for his parodies of the cinema and television of the 90's
Even Mortal Kombat was not much more violent than Bayonetta until MK9/MKX/MK11 Which is from here that violence increased significantly

 

[Deleted member]

I find it silly when people who got who they wanted still complain about specific newcomers addition with the same silly arguments of “anime swordmen” and “too generic”.

Contrera, when you get all you wanted one should not be concerned about who or what is getting added anymore.

Basically as how it’s going for me right now.

 

[Sysreq]

So I have a question: does anyone have a picture of the mural? A little tinfoil hat-y, but I get the feeling they wouldn't squish too many characters onto it. For example, adding like, 20.

 

[Droodle]

Points for KOS-MOS in Smash (most of this is just anecdotal, nothing incredibly solid):
- Harada was recently promoted to General Manager at Bandai Namco. He has expressed interest in a Xenosaga HD collection since 2014.
- Harada and Takahashi (Monolith soft President), discussed RPG's in an interview that was released in June 2019. During this both the Tales of series and Xenoblade were brought up. Harada also re-expressed interest in an Xenosaga HD collection.

- Namco Bandai and Monolith soft have shown to have a close relationship even after Monolith soft joined Nintendo. Back in 2015 Monolith developed Project X Zone 2 for Bamco.

- Xenoblade as a series has proven to be successful for Nintendo, with Xenoblade 2 selling at least 1.73m.
- KOS-MOS appears as an optional blade in XC 2, later in the games lifespan T-ELOS was also added, indicating that Bamco is fine with Xenosaga cameos in Nintendo games such as Xenoblade.
- KOS-MOS is also known to appear in a lot of crossovers, appearing in things like Super Robot Wars and Project x Zone. Her outfit was also a costume in PS3 Tales of Vesperia, and it was kept in ToV:DE.

- Monolithsoft still cares about the character, as seen in XC 2.
- KOS-MOS and T-ELOS got exclusive artwork in XC 2: Torna, being the only non-story blades to do so (I think).
- KOS-MOS appeared front and center in Monolithsoft's 20th Anniversary artwork back in September. (Arguably) Some more popular characters like Shulk, Rex, Pyra and Mythra were relegated to the back.
- KOS-MOS is the only character other than Pyra/Mythra who is getting a figure. Her figure releases in May 2020, while Pyra/Mythra's figures released earlier this year/late last year.

- This one is definitely pushing it, but I may as well mention it. In the middle of October, Soraya Saga stated she will not retweet directs/videos that have big MonolithSoft presence beforehand. Previously you could tell ahead of time if Monolithsoft was going to be featured in a direct by checking if Soraya retweeted the direct.

I don't think that KOS-MOS in Smash is as straightforward as a Tales of rep, but it is definitely possible for her to be in. I can totally see a scenario where Monolithsoft approached Sakurai/Nintendo, and asked for her to be put in. They clearly still care about her, and Namco does as well.

The only thing I find suspicious is that her figure is releasing so far after Pyra/Mythra's. Pyra's released in December of last year, while Mythra's released in March of 2019. Meanwhile KOS-MOS's figure comes out 14 months after Mythra's. Maybe she is FP #5 and Namco wanted to see the Smash advertising money roll in before the figure is officially released?

Edit: Also I can't see us getting both KOS-MOS and Rex + Pyra/Mythra. If KOS-MOS IS FP #5, I doubt Rex is post-pass; but if KOS-MOS isn't FP #5, I would be more confident in Rex getting in post-pass.

 

[Fenriraga]

If you were talking about the sword lady-Wrong game!
If you were talking about the cute forest spirit-Wrong character!

Crap, you right.

Anywho, I guess apparently This tweet for Terry coming out the 5th is making the rounds?

Although, as the replies have shown, it's extremely easy to fake. So probably nothing.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

???

Sorry, I phrased that really poorly. I think there's a handful of characters/series that just make way too much sense at this point to not end up in specifically Ultimate by the end of its lifespan. Resident Evil characters because of how big it is as a franchise, Dante because he's just a quintessential video game crossover character at this point, Crash Bandicoot because he just fits in addition to having a massive resurgence and a burst in popularity specifically for Smash, Lloyd Irving because he's a long requested character and the absence of Bandai Namco content continues to be glaringly obvious, and Ryu Hayabusa because Koei Tecmo is a big Japanese developer still missing with a company icon specifically related to Nintendo. Those are probably the five I think the most sense with an honorable mention to Geno in terms of, "This is more likely to happen sooner rather than later."

Time for some completely anecdotal and meaningless ""evidence"" that no one asked for:

I feel like some people doubt Capcom just because of the two Mii Costumes that came with B-K, as they should come with a Capcom character if there was any, right? Well, back in Smash 4, the first two Capcom costumes released along with Mewtwo. Considering that Lucas, Roy and Ryu all released in the same date, it means the first two Capcom costumes released right before Ryu rather than with Ryu.

Again, this is 100% anecdotal and probably means nothing, but I feel like the Mii Costumes would probably be a point in the Capcom crew's favor rather than in their detriment.

Once again, my bad. I meant to include the fact that Capcom got so heavily favored alongside Konami to point out I don't expect a Capcom character specifically as Fighter's Pass #5. I think the Fighter's Pass was largely made in conjunction with base game, and it would just make a whole lot of sense for the companies that got the brunt of the focus for third parties in base game to not then also have a Fighter's Pass character. The Mii costumes coming with Banjo & Kazooie only further my thinking that his might be the case, though I admit it's not evidence as much as it is some circumstantial ideas that make sense in my head.

If any company could get so much in the base game and still get DLC, it's definitely Capcom though. Like I said, I fully expect to see Resident Evil and Dante specifically in the game sooner rather than later.

To be honest I don't think we'll be seeing anything from Blizzard for a while. The Warcraft and League of Legends series are largely PC based and don't have much to do with Nintendo, and Overwatch didn't get a Switch port until the end of it's life. This might not matter quite as much if Overwatch 2 is also coming to Switch but then why port the first game there if you're just going to throw out a sequel that's pretty much the same thing as the original? (Unless I'm mistaken about that.)

Jeff Kaplan (the guy who leads the Overwatch team and does most of the PR) stated that we would hear about Overwatch 2 at next year's Blizzcon in a statement that indicates Overwatch 2 is probably still at least a year out. So, at the very least, Overwatch still has another year left in the original game. To top that off, Overwatch 2's maps and characters will still be coming to the original Overwatch, so the Overwatch 1 will not necessarily be an outdated game. It just won't contain the visual improvements and the PvE content that Overwatch 2 proper will. It's a very weird pseudo-expansion/sequel that attempts to ensure that the player base dedicated to Overwatch remains, but also gives people the PvE content and more story based ideas they have generally wanted to see the game. Overwatch 2 is also coming to Switch based upon what Blizzard has released, so Overwatch may continue to be a topic of conversation for Smash speculation.

And what I think is that ALL factors are relevant, not just the ones you don't decide to arbitrarily exclude in order to draw a circle around the character you prefer.

And then promptly did nothing for 30 years.

Like...you couldn't even make a Duck Hunt game for the Wii, Nintendo? Come on.

I mean, again, legacy/influence/popularity are just generally better indicators of things than just longevity and Smash shows that. Is longevity a factor? Sure... but hardly the most essential one, and certainly less of a factor than the other three. Again, age doesn't mean anything special, it's how that title has played a role in influencing other titles that at all makes age relevant to anything to begin with.

And so? That's weirdly gatekeeping of you considering I know you support characters from titles like Bionic Commando that never went anywhere besides a decent remake. It's OK to just have an incredibly successful one-off. Not all games need a sequel. And it's just weird. Duck Hunt is the icon of the NES era whether you like it or not. I have never once met a person who knows the NES but doesn't know Duck Hunt the game, so yeah... it's just odd.

 

[Droodle]

You said you’d include a KOS-MOS analysis as well? Also, which other non-Tales Namco characters do you think have a shot?

Since you asked, I think Tekken and Dark Souls also have a shot due to their iconic status. It's just harder to think of points supporting their presence in Smash.

I know Heihachi was planned for Smash 4 but Sakurai couldn't think of a moveset. But other than that I can't find any more developments.

Same with Dark Souls, the series is definitely popular; but I cannot think of any developments that would lead me to believe that it is FP #5.

Edit: To be clear, I wouldn't be surprised if either of these series gets a rep; I just don't think they have as much evidence pointing towards them as compared to Tales. KOS-MOS is a special case, because her series is definitely not as popular; but I'm pretty sure Monolithsoft, a company that is owned by Nintendo would want her in.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Points for KOS-MOS in Smash (most of this is just anecdotal, nothing incredibly solid):
- Harada was recently promoted to General Manager at Bandai Namco. He has expressed interest in a Xenosaga HD collection since 2014.
- Harada and Takahashi (Monolith soft President), discussed RPG's in an interview that was released in June 2019. During this both the Tales of series and Xenoblade were brought up. Harada also re-expressed interest in an Xenosaga HD collection.

- Namco Bandai and Monolith soft have shown to have a close relationship even after Monolith soft joined Nintendo. Back in 2015 Monolith developed Project X Zone 2 for Bamco.

- Xenoblade as a series has proven to be successful for Nintendo, with Xenoblade 2 selling at least 1.73m.
- KOS-MOS appears as an optional blade in XC 2, later in the games lifespan T-ELOS was also added, indicating that Bamco is fine with Xenosaga cameos in Nintendo games such as Xenoblade.
- KOS-MOS is also known to appear in a lot of crossovers, appearing in things like Super Robot Wars and Project x Zone. Her outfit was also a costume in PS3 Tales of Vesperia, and it was kept in ToV:DE.

- Monolithsoft still cares about the character, as seen in XC 2.
- KOS-MOS and T-ELOS got exclusive artwork in XC 2: Torna, being the only non-story blades to do so (I think).
- KOS-MOS appeared front and center in Monolithsoft's 20th Anniversary artwork back in September. (Arguably) Some more popular characters like Shulk, Rex, Pyra and Mythra were relegated to the back.
- KOS-MOS is the only character other than Pyra/Mythra who is getting a figure. Her figure releases in May 2020, while Pyra/Mythra's figures released earlier this year/late last year.

- This one is definitely pushing it, but I may as well mention it. In the middle of October, Soraya Saga stated she will not retweet directs/videos that have big MonolithSoft presence beforehand. Previously you could tell ahead of time if Monolithsoft was going to be featured in a direct by checking if Soraya retweeted the direct.

I don't think that KOS-MOS in Smash is as straightforward as a Tales of rep, but it is definitely possible for her to be in. I can totally see a scenario where Monolithsoft approached Sakurai/Nintendo, and asked for her to be put in. They clearly still care about her, and Namco does as well.

The only thing I find suspicious is that her figure is releasing so far after Pyra/Mythra's. Pyra's released in December of last year, while Mythra's released in March of 2019. Meanwhile KOS-MOS's figure comes out 14 months after Mythra's. Maybe she is FP #5 and Namco wanted to see the Smash advertising money roll in before the figure is officially released?

Edit: Also I can't see us getting both KOS-MOS and Rex + Pyra/Mythra. If KOS-MOS IS FP #5, I doubt Rex is post-pass; but if KOS-MOS isn't FP #5, I would be more confident in Rex getting in post-pass.

what about KOS-MOS and Elma instead of Rex?

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

However, we have already seen the Fatalities attenuated before and still haven't lost their essence, in some games you can even deactivate the blood
Mortal Kombat is much more than just senseless blood and violence, he has an extensive lore, his characters have their own personalities, is also known for his parodies of the cinema and television of the 90's
Even Mortal Kombat was not much more violent than Bayonetta until MK9/MKX/MK11 Which is from here that violence increased significantly

The lore is terrible, and you seemed to assume I'm okay with Bayonetta in Smash.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

So I have a question: does anyone have a picture of the mural? A little tinfoil hat-y, but I get the feeling they wouldn't squish too many characters onto it. For example, adding like, 20.

I doubt that would be an issue, they've expanded the mural with 14 characters since the initial reveal of said mural (Ridley to Terry encompasses 14 character additions) and they've managed to make space every time to accommodate whoever they've added, I'd say they'd have no problem continuing that trend.

 

[Calamitas]

So I have a question: does anyone have a picture of the mural? A little tinfoil hat-y, but I get the feeling they wouldn't squish too many characters onto it. For example, adding like, 20.

They've repositioned characters on the mural to make space for newcomers before. It's not really an issue.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

So I have a question: does anyone have a picture of the mural? A little tinfoil hat-y, but I get the feeling they wouldn't squish too many characters onto it. For example, adding like, 20.

I'm sure they can expand it to fit as many characters as they need, tbf.