Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Iko MattOrr]

Even then, mooks are such a big part of Mario games that you'd think representing them in a 80+ character roster would be appropriate. Plant is more significant to the Mario franchise then someone like Daisy for sure.

The most significant regular enemies in the Mario franchise are probably Goomba and Koopa Troopa, it's strange that they choose Piranha Plant instead... I have this feel that Piranha Plant was chosen because of Super Mario Maker somehow, because it's usually a static enemy that's part of the level desing, and represents the game quite well, better than any other gameplay element. If not that, then there should be another reason for why they put Piranha Plant instead of Goomba or Koopa Troopa... maybe something as simple as "so they were able to recycle the Petey Piranha model from Brawl", or simply because the plant is more intimidating. I don't know really.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

The most significant regular enemies in the Mario franchise are probably Goomba and Koopa Troopa, it's strange that they choose Piranha Plant instead... I have this feel that Piranha Plant was chosen because of Super Mario Maker somehow, because it's usually a static enemy that's part of the level desing, and represents the game quite well, better than any other gameplay element. If not that, then there should be another reason for why they put Piranha Plant instead of Goomba or Koopa Troopa... maybe something as simple as "so they were able to recycle the Petey Piranha model from Brawl", or simply because the plant is more intimidating. I don't know really.

Piranha Plant is in a pot. It's probably just that it's funny that he can't walk.

 

[Ben Holt]

Even amongst Mario mooks though Koopa Troopa is arguably a better/more logical choice. Considering they're both popular with Mario fans and have a ton of moveset potential with the variants of Koopa Troopa. Also they can move on their own more traditionally.

I'm pretty sure Shy Guy, Dry Bones and Boo are a lot more popular than Plant is amongst the Mario fanbase too.
Petey had fans for sure though. But counting regular plant as Petey getting in is like counting Robin as Chrom getting playable in Sm4sh, Peach as getting Toad playable, Isabelle and Villager as getting Tom Nook playable or Shulk in getting Fiora as playable.

Plant feels like a cheap 'surprise' more than anything and one that doesn't really service anything more than 'surprise'. Funny at first, sure but no one was clamouring for PP.

He's fun but any and all characters can easily be fun to play in Smash. That's why people want Sakurai to add their faves because we trust he can make anyone fun to play as.

I wouldn't mind Koopa Troopa, but I'd rather have Toad first before we start getting into other characters that are a species rather than a particular character.
But even then we have Waluigi, Paper Mario, Toad, Toadette, Geno, Birdo, Pauline, Dry Bowser, and Cappy to choose from.
Edit: And Nabbit!

 

[Door Key Pig]

Looking back at other Smashes, such a surprise, unorthodox, what have you characters were actually always last revealed. Mr G&W was the last unlockable Melee character I think, ROB was amongst the last secret unlockable characters in Brawl, and Duck Hunt was the last secret unlockable/post release trailer revealed character of Smash 4. So Mr. Plant was totally in line to be revealed like that even if it came off as rage-inducing.

I'd have to wonder if indeed, a Goomba or Koopa Troops would be the more iconic Mario enemy, but Piranha Plant is at least kind of synonymous with Mario's iconic pipes, right? You also had various other enemies playable in Mario Kart, Tennis and Party except for Piranha Plant (except when PP was in Aces... Um...), who was seemingly confounded to them pipes most of the time yet still iconic, so I can see how he looked like quite an interesting, unethical character in concept that also made for a unique moveset, merging together different aspects of the plants in having his little feets of one version pop out the pot of another version for mobility.

 

[ProfPeanut]

We've been through this over and over again - Smash season doesn't end on a bang, let alone one that rivals the peak of the reveals. Game & Watch, Olimar/R.O.B., Shulk/Duck Hunt, Corrin, Incineroar/Piranha Plant...there's a very clear pattern here, and only indefatigable hope keeps people believing the opposite will be true. Fighter #5 turning out to be a bombshell reveal would be the actual surprise at this point, but honestly I find it safer to expect an Incineroar-tier pick.


Truly, who really knows why Piranha Plant was picked over all other characters? Maybe Nintendo demanded a Mario newcomer from the mainline series. Maybe it was an Assist Trophy that got out of hand. Maybe Sakurai thought it'd be the most hilarious thing to do, foreseeing the rise of #PlantGang and such. I can't say for certain what got Plant into the game, but I can say that it wasn't historical value, plot relevance, fan support, or any of the other usual factors that the Smash fanbase long assumed determined all the newcomers.

Personally, I side with "hilarious". A Goomba or Moblin being playable wouldn't have been nearly as funny.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yes. It's Doom time.

Doom Eternal also comes out really close which is November. More the reason why I think he's our next fighter.

My bet...

Doom Slayer gets announced in November with Terry's release and then is released at the VGA.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I wouldn't mind Koopa Troopa, but I'd rather have Toad first before we start getting into other characters that are a species rather than a particular character.
But even then we have Waluigi, Paper Mario, Toad, Toadette, Geno, Birdo, Pauline, Dry Bowser, and Cappy to choose from.
Edit: And Nabbit!

This list has a gross lack of King Boo.

We've been through this over and over again - Smash season doesn't end on a bang, let alone one that rivals the peak of the reveals. Game & Watch, Olimar/R.O.B., Shulk/Duck Hunt, Corrin, Incineroar/Piranha Plant...there's a very clear pattern here, and only indefatigable hope keeps people believing the opposite will be true. Fighter #5 turning out to be a bombshell reveal would be the actual surprise at this point, but honestly I find it safer to expect an Incineroar-tier pick.

This is an incredibly cynical way of thinking. Smash reveals may have ended on a low note each game but there's nothing stating that this has to be the case. Keep your expectations low for sure but don't be like "It's going to be something horrible because that's how it always is". I feel like it's just unnecessary negativity.

My opinion on the regular enemies:

• Goomba would be a fun addition to the cast I think. Just imagine the shenanigans they would have to pull off to make a short armless fighter with stubby legs work.
• I don't think Koopa Troopa would add much to the game and would likely be indicative of Squirtle. It might have some interesting things involving other Koopa variants but it certainly wouldn't be on the same level as Goomba or Piranha Plant.
• The Hammer Bros. could be an interesting duo character like the Ice Climbers with really good anti-airs and projectiles out the wazoo.
• Lakitu would be a summoner type character. Chucking out spiny eggs left and right. I think it would be fun.
• Moblins and Bokoblins may look crazy but they'd just be weapon based fighters which isn't too terribly interesting unless they went whole hog on the dumb/feral aspect of the creatures. Then it'd at least look hilarious.
• Bandanna Waddle Dee is an actual character who's design is almost the same as the generic mook. There is no reason to add both so just go with the actual character.

 

[Nekoo]

Friendly reminder that Smash has never ended "on a Bang"

And yet the pre-release of Smash Ultimate ended the 7december with the announcement of Joker that made a big ass bang all over the world as a DLC.
And that so far, seems that each DLC is treated like a bang from their presentation to trailer.

Nintendo know that Smash is a big deal, and I can see them Actually trying to end on a bang the fighter pass from what we can see so far.
OR
End the fighter pass on a whimper but directly ignite it again with a bang and first second seasons Character announced.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah it seems to me that adding more DLC later would mean it's best to pull another Joker to get people buying the new pass, assuming it's a pass again

 

[Prince777]

I'd say the character closest to the grey line in Smash speculation ATM is Hatsune Miku. She's a digital character created for an interactive medium but it's sold as a software tool rather than a game.

I believe this has previously been debunked on the boards.

It's very important to consider how Vocaloid is within the same technicalities of other software like Mario Paint, Wii Music, and Art Academy. These are not inherently video games, but rather content creation software that can be played around with. The objective of Vocaloid is to sing the music that you for them, as it is Voice synthesizer software designed to sing without the need of a physical human doing so. Hatsune Miku is the personification of the the first voice option.

That being said, she fits the criteria for Smash and is a mega icon. It would be fascinating to see how she would operate in the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

As sad as this might sound, regarding first party characters am thinking it's Byleth or bust. With all what has been going on so far, I'm hard pressed to expect anyone else from the first party candidates. Unless say, we get a miracle revival of Golden Sun of course and Isaac makes it in. Or we get Echoes / semi clones, and if the 16 empty slots are something to go by, that might just happen. I could see Dixie and a new Zelda character (hopefully Impa) make it in if they add semi-clones or otherwise 'low budget newcomers' (despite me wanting them before any other characters). But right now am not really believing we will see many fighters from Nintendo brands, which is a shame honestly ....

 

[Flyboy]

Me, a fool several weeks ago: Hmm, I absolutely love Tekken, but I'm not sure I can see Heihachi in Smash. He's iconic, but between Sakurai saying he couldn't get him to work and not being among my favorite Tekken characters I don't think I'd be that excited.

Me, now, after finally playing one (1) hour of Tekken 7's story mode: OH HELL YEAH GET THE OLD MAN IN SMASH

Seriously, Old Man Heihachi would be awesome. Younger Heihachi is less exciting to me, but we don't have an old man fighter yet outside of Ganondorf and his brutal, up-close-and-personal style would be very unique as a result. Plus a second game where we could get Tekken vs. Street Fighter vs. KOF would be crazy and that's not even getting into the potential hype Nintendo matchups.

My preferred Bamco rep (if we can only have one) is Velvet Crowe, but Heihachi right now is definitely tied with KOS-MOS and Lloyd at least in my book. I'm finally starting to understand why Sakurai wants "new worlds" - the idea of Heihachi fighting Link or the FE cast is wild!

 

[riggsbass]

I don't think it'll be another pass. I think from now on, it'll be one-off characters. The pass probably worked because they worked out a deal with a bunch of companies and each one of them takes a cut when a fighter's pass sells. I think individually, they can cater to more niche requests and they can work out individual deals with companies instead. So while Geno might not fit in a $25 pack, it would be because there's already a SquareEnix piece of the pie and thus they wouldn't want to make it bigger unfairly. But individually, Geno could be a character you'd pick up for $5.99 seperately.

 

[Deleted member]

Since I see a lot of people say Geno might have a chance, I'll just put a few cents on that since I'm not a fan of him.

I wouldn't mind Geno's Mii Costume returning in Ultimate, but the 1 from Smash 4 should be reworked so that we'd get Geno's head instead of just his hat. If Sans can have his whole face in a costume, Geno should as well. It honestly sounds like the best workaround for Geno fans and people that either don't want him or don't know who he is.

 

[TheCJBrine]

It honestly sounds like the best workaround for Geno fans and people that either don't want him or don't know who he is.

This is pretty unfair, is this the only reason why people suggest characters should be mii costumes?

Seriously though, if people try to push the mii costume idea onto characters they don’t want as somehow being a “best workaround,” that’s just selfish imo. No one wants their character as just a cosplay option. At least Sans looks good, but he still would’ve been more hype as a full character; a lot of Sans fans didn’t expect anything. Fans shouldn’t have to get less because others don’t know or like the character.

 

[ze9]

The most significant regular enemies in the Mario franchise are probably Goomba and Koopa Troopa, it's strange that they choose Piranha Plant instead... I have this feel that Piranha Plant was chosen because of Super Mario Maker somehow, because it's usually a static enemy that's part of the level desing, and represents the game quite well, better than any other gameplay element. If not that, then there should be another reason for why they put Piranha Plant instead of Goomba or Koopa Troopa... maybe something as simple as "so they were able to recycle the Petey Piranha model from Brawl", or simply because the plant is more intimidating. I don't know really.

I think that's where the moveset part kicks in. A Koopa would always feel like discount Bowser/Squirtle, and Goombas I don't think have shown as many abilities as the Piranha Plants, or at least not in a way that they could be assembled together as cohesively.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Even then, mooks are such a big part of Mario games that you'd think representing them in a 80+ character roster would be appropriate.

Mooks get all the representation they deserve via Spirits and Assist Trophies.

Even amongst Mario mooks though Koopa Troopa is arguably a better/more logical choice.

If you HAD to make a generic Mario enemy playable, the BEST choice would have been the Hammer Bros. They feel slightly more like characters and there's so many different kinds that if you just throw all their moves onto one character(like they did with PP) you'd have a real interesting moveset. Hammers, Fireballs, Boomerangs, Groundstomp lightning, etc.

And yet the pre-release of Smash Ultimate ended the 7december with the announcement of Joker that made a big *** bang all over the world as a DLC.

That's some stretching there to try and qualify the first character in a DLC pack as an "ending".

I believe this has previously been debunked on the boards.

It's very important to consider how Vocaloid is within the same technicalities of other software like Mario Paint, Wii Music, and Art Academy.

None of which have playable characters in Smash.

It's not "debunked" until Nintendo says she's not happening, or she or someone in her same situation gets in.

I wouldn't mind Geno's Mii Costume returning in Ultimate, but the 1 from Smash 4 should be reworked so that we'd get Geno's head instead of just his hat. If Sans can have his whole face in a costume, Geno should as well. It honestly sounds like the best workaround for Geno fans and people that either don't want him or don't know who he is.

I love Geno, and his game, but honestly, this would be fair for him. Sans has shown that a Mii costume can actually look like a character, instead of looking like a Mii cosplaying as the character. If they gave Geno a new Mii costume that was on the level of the Sans one, I'd be satisfied.

...but of course, a lot of other people wouldn't.

 

[Nekoo]

That's some stretching there to try and qualify the first character in a DLC pack as an "ending".

I mean, it was the ending of the Pre-release of the game, unless I'm mistaken?

 

[HyruleHero]

This is pretty unfair, is this the only reason why people suggest characters should be mii costumes?

Seriously though, if people try to push the mii costume idea onto characters they don’t want as somehow being a “best workaround,” that’s just selfish imo. No one wants their character as just a cosplay option. At least Sans looks good, but he still would’ve been more hype as a full character; a lot of Sans fans didn’t expect anything. Fans shouldn’t have to get less because others don’t know or like the character.

Well from an outsiders perspective on Geno he should really have no chance of even getting in the game at all, being a side character from a 21 year old game and all. Geno getting a full Mii costume in the same vain as Sans would be an amazing gift for Geno fans. I understand the want for him to be a character however that wouldn't be a very marketable character outside of people who are older than 21 (or around that age) that played SMRPG. But then who knows how this DLC ends up. If Sakurai wants to keep it going as long as possible Geno could very well come as a fighter.

 

[ROBnWatch]

So, something I found, not sure if anyone else has brought it up. Everyone remember when those 16 placeholder slots were datamined in WoL? Since then we’ve had 4 DLC characters (excluding Terry, counting Plant). On the current completed character select screen, there is room on each side of each row for half a character slot. Combining these makes one new slot per row. Add on the room that’s left on the bottom row, we have room for 12 more character slots, which would fulfill the 16 placeholder slots as well as make the completed character select screen a perfect rectangle. And I know Smash doesn’t always have said perfect rectangle on its CSS, but it’s still something that may be interesting nonetheless. Thoughts?

 

[TheCJBrine]

Well from an outsiders perspective on Geno he should really have no chance of even getting in the game at all, being a side character from a 21 year old game and all. Geno getting a full Mii costume in the same vein as Sans would be an amazing gift for Geno fans. I understand the want for him to be a character however that wouldn't be a very marketable character outside of people who are older than 21 (or around that age) that played SMRPG. But then who knows how this DLC ends up. If Sakurai wants to keep it going as long as possible Geno could very well come as a fighter.

A mii costume is always a nice gift/is better than nothing, and a Geno costume would at least look good and not have its body parts constantly clipping through each other, *cough* stupid bendy-limbed mii costume suggestions for Steve which *cough cough* actually are just because they don’t like him *cough* *ahem* but it’s really not fair to say something like “a fair workaround for fans and those who don’t want/like/know him” as if that somehow isn’t a selfish statement over a videogame and as if fans of a character should be happy with less than what they wanted. Grateful and respectful, sure, but this mii costume talk as if it’s something that *should* happen just doesn’t sound right. I mean, what if Banjo & Kazooie were just a Sans-tier mii costume? They’re much more well-known than Geno (duh), but they still haven’t had a new game in a little over a decade (just merch and the Sonic/Sega racing game appearance) and I don’t think fans (including me) would be too happy. Sure, their games are still available on XBox and in the Rare Replay collection, but Geno (a main character) can still be experienced on the SNES Classic and the Wii U virtual console.

And if the mii costume suggestions really are just because someone doesn’t like a character, then yeah, that’s selfish imo.

 

[Flyboy]

So, something I found, not sure if anyone else has brought it up. Everyone remember when those 16 placeholder slots were datamined in WoL? Since then we’ve had 4 DLC characters (excluding Terry, counting Plant). On the current completed character select screen, there is room on each side of each row for half a character slot. Combining these makes one new slot per row. Add on the room that’s left on the bottom row, we have room for 12 more character slots, which would fulfill the 16 placeholder slots as well as make the completed character select screen a perfect rectangle. And I know Smash doesn’t always have said perfect rectangle on its CSS, but it’s still something that may be interesting nonetheless. Thoughts?

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The idea of having that many characters is almost inconceivable to me but I can't say I wouldn't love it.

 

[SKX31]

Since I see a lot of people say Geno might have a chance, I'll just put a few cents on that since I'm not a fan of him.

I wouldn't mind Geno's Mii Costume returning in Ultimate, but the 1 from Smash 4 should be reworked so that we'd get Geno's head instead of just his hat. If Sans can have his whole face in a costume, Geno should as well. It honestly sounds like the best workaround for Geno fans and people that either don't want him or don't know who he is.

I'm neutral on him, and I'd say kinda decent? IMHO his chances are better for a future base game than DLC, but I don't think he's completely out for DLC. Especially if it goes on for long enough.

His main problem remain the same as the other S-E choices - intense competition. His situation reminds me a little of Aya's (Parasite Eve) and J.C Denton's (Deus Ex). I have no clue if those three are on S-E's priority list for Smash, or if they'd much rather prefer Lara, Sora or 2B. That's not due to any fault of his - it's just really, really crowded there. But I don't think he should be overlooked - he's the most prominent Mario RPG companion for starters.

I wouldn't mind a Geno Mii Costime that was reworked to Sans' level at all. Yeah, I realize that quite a few wouldn't be happy about that - but if S-E is indeed not willing to play ball just yet then that's the closest it's going to get.

 

[Curious Villager]

So, something I found, not sure if anyone else has brought it up. Everyone remember when those 16 placeholder slots were datamined in WoL? Since then we’ve had 4 DLC characters (excluding Terry, counting Plant). On the current completed character select screen, there is room on each side of each row for half a character slot. Combining these makes one new slot per row. Add on the room that’s left on the bottom row, we have room for 12 more character slots, which would fulfill the 16 placeholder slots as well as make the completed character select screen a perfect rectangle. And I know Smash doesn’t always have said perfect rectangle on its CSS, but it’s still something that may be interesting nonetheless. Thoughts?

Yes the 16 placeholder slots would indeed fill up the entire character select screen. It would look something like this.

Now wether Sakurai would actually go that far, or maybe even beyond (if he can), who knows, only time will tell I guess....

 

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, it was the ending of the Pre-release of the game, unless I'm mistaken?

It is, but that's an incredibly artificial "endpoint", and absolutely not what anyone else was talking about.

I could add a bunch of qualifying statements to make any character the "end" if I wanted to, but it doesn't serve the discussion any. I could say "Incineroar is currently the ending of Pokemon characters in the game" and that would be accurate, but not helpful.

I understand the want for him to be a character however that wouldn't be a very marketable character outside of people who are older than 21 (or around that age) that played SMRPG.

Hence, the need for a remake! Which would make him a promotional character.

*cough* stupid bendy-limbed mii costume suggestions for Steve which *cough cough* actually are just because they don’t like him *cough* *ahem*

You don't gotta cross that out. It's totally true.

 

[Renjamin]

Even then, mooks are such a big part of Mario games that you'd think representing them in a 80+ character roster would be appropriate. Plant is more significant to the Mario franchise then someone like Daisy for sure.

TBH he's probably one of the most well known characters in the game

 

[ProfPeanut]

This is an incredibly cynical way of thinking. Smash reveals may have ended on a low note each game but there's nothing stating that this has to be the case. Keep your expectations low for sure but don't be like "It's going to be something horrible because that's how it always is". I feel like it's just unnecessary negativity.

Who said Incineroar or any of the previous final reveals were horrible? Certainly not me, and I'm someone who originally thought it was unideal because it'd be deliberately passing up on Blaziken. But if people keep entertaining the idea that the fantastic is more likely than the mundane, then they end up doing things like believing the Grinch Hoax.

This is pretty unfair, is this the only reason why people suggest characters should be mii costumes?

Seriously though, if people try to push the mii costume idea onto characters they don’t want as somehow being a “best workaround,” that’s just selfish imo. No one wants their character as just a cosplay option. At least Sans looks good, but he still would’ve been more hype as a full character; a lot of Sans fans didn’t expect anything. Fans shouldn’t have to get less because others don’t know or like the character.

For a lot of people, and especially in the case of Sans, having any sort of playable appearance is all they really need - and all they'd really care about. For such characters, the "cosplay" option is more than was even expected.

I know, Mii costumes are little consolation to the likes of Isaac/K. Rool supporters, but third-parties are in a different pickle because they're not likely to be in Smash at all. When you're competing against dozens of other strong video game franchises and the stakes are All or Nothing, it's almost a godsend to get approved for Kinda Sorta in Smash.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

all.[/I] When you're competing against dozens of other strong video game franchises and the stakes are All or Nothing, it's almost a godsend to get approved for Kinda Sorta in Smash.

For me the context of Sans is really different for other Mii costumes. Sans was a big fan request but realistically, pretty much everyone agree that he wouldn't get in. Considering this, the Mii fighter was a good way of having him, and it came out of nowhere. The same thing could be said about the last Mii costumes, while Team rocket and Goemon clearly don't have the same popularity has Sans, they share the fact that most people would agree that these characters didn't have chance to become fully playable.

The difference with character like Geno, Steve and Isaac for example, is that a lot of people think or thought that these characters might get in. I think this is why the Isaac mii costumes really hurt Golden sun fans, while the Sans mii costumes have surprisingly really good reception.

 

[ze9]

Yes the 16 placeholder slots would indeed fill up the entire character select screen. It would look something like this.


Now wether Sakurai would actually go that far, or maybe even beyond (if he can), who knows, only time will tell I guess....

I have a feeling that's what they're gunning for.

 

[TheCJBrine]

For a lot of people, and especially in the case of Sans, having any sort of playable appearance is all they really need - and all they'd really care about. For such characters, the "cosplay" option is more than was even expected.

I know, Mii costumes are little consolation to the likes of Isaac/K. Rool supporters, but third-parties are in a different pickle because they're not likely to be in Smash at all. When you're competing against dozens of other strong video game franchises and the stakes are All or Nothing, it's almost a godsend to get approved for Kinda Sorta in Smash.

That’s fair.

It’s still selfish to justify a mii costume suggestion with “I don’t like, know or want them so this’ll be a ‘fair’ workaround for fans” and to expect all fans to be perfectly happy (as if “people don’t like or know them” is a good reason when the large majority likely would like/accept the character anyway or simply wouldn’t care, especially when it’s a videogame and so I really don’t get why this reasoning exists).

and this is obviously the only reason such suggestions exist when they’re even happening for huge characters. Let’s just make Steve a crappy swordfighter costume, huh? Okay, how about we don’t do that and make Master Chief a gunner instead?! His costume would look better and stuff because he can actually have bendy limbs and his body parts won’t clip through each other as badly, and the moves suit him! Not gonna lie, a Steve costume would be better than nothing, but unless it would be just the head (dang it) or it would get its own unique animations, it would suck.

 

[Izanagi97]

Wonder how many major Japanese devs/publishers have yet to have a playable character in Ultimate (well, besides Sony, but that's only because I'm pretty sure a Sony owned character is the least likely character to make it in given the issues between Nintendo and Sony)

 

[Curious Villager]

I have a feeling that's what they're gunning for.

Considering his recent interview and how these placeholder slots where apparently added during the February update post launch.
Yes, I think there is a chance that they might be aiming to include at least 16 new characters, guess we'll see what will happen...

It will probably depend on how well the DLC continues to sell.

 

[Sysreq]

Has it already been discussed that Sakurai yet again flat out said "No Goku in Smash" at the Tokyo Game Show recently?

 

[ROBnWatch]

The idea of having that many characters is almost inconceivable to me but I can't say I wouldn't love it.

Yes the 16 placeholder slots would indeed fill up the entire character select screen. It would look something like this.


Now wether Sakurai would actually go that far, or maybe even beyond (if he can), who knows, only time will tell I guess....

Something I forgot to note in my post explaining this, but it would bring the roster size to 90 characters, including echoes.

 

[ProfPeanut]

That’s fair.

It’s still selfish to justify a mii costume suggestion with “I don’t like, know or want them so this’ll be a ‘fair’ workaround for fans” and to expect all fans to be perfectly happy (as if “people don’t like or know them” is a good reason when the large majority likely would like him anyway or simply wouldn’t care).

and this is obviously the only reason such suggestions exist when they’re even happening for huge characters. Let’s just make Steve a crappy swordfighter costume, huh? Okay, how about we don’t do that and make Master Chief a gunner instead! His costume would look better and stuff because he can actually have bendy limbs and his body parts won’t clip through each other as badly, and the moves suit him! Not gonna lie, a Steve costume would be better than nothing, but unless it would be just the head (dang it) or it would get its own unique animations, it would suck.

I'll agree as much on that point, there's plenty of characters who deserve to bring along more than just their appearance to Smash. Figuring out who those characters are, though, is another matter entirely, and may as well be the heart of Smash speculation itself.

Has it already been discussed that Sakurai yet again flat out said "No Goku in Smash" at the Tokyo Game Show recently?

Not yet, though I don't think it changes very much. It's the only hard rule we can say really exists, repeated for the umpteenth time so that people may know that it applies to the DLCs.

One could wonder why he mentioned Iron Man before Goku, though.

 

[Megadoomer]

Wonder how many major Japanese devs/publishers have yet to have a playable character in Ultimate (well, besides Sony, but that's only because I'm pretty sure a Sony owned character is the least likely character to make it in given the issues between Nintendo and Sony)

Depends on how you define major. Koei Tecmo (Dynasty Warriors, Dead or Alive, Ninja Gaiden) is definitely one, and Arc System Works (Guilty Gear, BlazBlue, Double Dragon, River City Ransom) is arguably another.

 

[Deleted member]

Has it already been discussed that Sakurai yet again flat out said "No Goku in Smash" at the Tokyo Game Show recently?

Someone did bring it up awhile ago. Yeah, Sakurai did say Goku and Iron Man won't be in Smash, which means they're coming to Smash deconfirmed. I forgot if he mentioned that Smash is a video game crossover while saying that however.

Now, I'm gonna stretch this **** out and mention how he never brought up real life people when talking about Goku and Iron Man. We're just 1 step closer to a Musou character in Smash now

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

Has it already been discussed that Sakurai yet again flat out said "No Goku in Smash" at the Tokyo Game Show recently?

no and even if we did get a non video game character there are other characters we're more likely to get than goku such as Dynasty Warriors character,
Hatsune Miku and even Geralt of Rivia(I'm surprise Sakurai didn't mention him with goku or iron man in the speech)

 

[dezeray112]

Wonder how many major Japanese devs/publishers have yet to have a playable character in Ultimate (well, besides Sony, but that's only because I'm pretty sure a Sony owned character is the least likely character to make it in given the issues between Nintendo and Sony)

Koei Tecmo, Level-5, Grasshopper Manufacture and Arc System Works are the ones that I can call, even though there are a couple more Japanese devs/publishers that could be represented in Smash.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Sakurai may be against Goku, Spongebob, and Iron Man in Smash...

...but he still hasn’t said anything about Shrek and Spider-Man