Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Opossum]

Guys I just realised
Not counting virtual pets (the inspiration for digimon) Digimon World predated the anime by one month. So he's a godamn third party.

He would've been third party anyway. Third party doesn't denote media of origin, it denotes ownership.

 

[Pokelego999]

He would've been third party anyway. Third party doesn't denote media of origin, it denotes ownership.

4th parties are characters that first appeared in tv or books and as such are non videogame, meaning no smash for them

 

[Schnee117]

4th parties are characters that first appeared in tv or books and as such are non videogame, meaning no smash for them

4th party isn't a thing

 

[TheCJBrine]

4th parties are characters that first appeared in tv or books and as such are non videogame, meaning no smash for them

Technically they're still 3rd-party, fans just say 4th-party because it's shorter than "non-videogame character."

 

[Pokelego999]

Technically they're still 3rd-party, fans just say 4th-party because it's shorter than "non-videogame character."

Either way. Deconfirm.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Either way. Deconfirm.

Wait so the game predating the anime is a deconfirm for... not being a video game character?

 

[Pokelego999]

Wait so the game predating the anime is a deconfirm for... not being a video game character?

Exactly.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Exactly.

But the game came first. Which means Digimon is a video game franchise. Meaning Digimon was and still is a possibility but apparantly isn't because you said so

 

[DarthEnderX]

One could wonder why he mentioned Iron Man before Goku, though.

Probably beacause Marvel is so huge right now, he gets a lot of requests for him.

Sakurai may be against Goku, Spongebob, and Iron Man in Smash...

...but he still hasn’t said anything about Shrek and Spider-Man

Coming soon to Super Smash Flash 2...

4th party isn't a thing

In the Smash community it is absolutely a thing.

Exactly.

The virtual pets came first which, if Game & Watch counts, those count.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

But the game came first. Which means Digimon is a video game franchise. Meaning Digimon was and still is a possibility but apparantly isn't because you said so

I feel like there's some miscommunication here. This:

Either way. Deconfirm.

was said in reference to the "4th party is shorthand for non-video game character" comments, but considering the previous statements about Digimon being 3rd party (and then explaining why 4th parties are disconfirmed) I don't think Pokelego999 was saying that Digimon was disconfirmed, and when this was said:

Exactly.

I think it was due to a misinterpretation of your retort.

 

[CroonerMike]

Exactly.

Nice try trolling.

 

[Pokelego999]

Yeah, I misinterpereted what Cutie Gwen said. What I meant was that Digimon has a chance as it is 3rd party, which I just discovered. (I kinda thought it was 4th party before so... yeah.)

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, I misinterpereted what Cutie Gwen said. What I meant was that Digimon has a chance as it is 3rd party, which I just discovered. (I kinda thought it was 4th party before so... yeah.)

I also thought that for ages because I always thought Digimon was an anime ripping off the Pokemon anime.

 

[venomthebest]

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Most likely a coincidence but I wonder...

all of the doom "evidence" happening recently is reminding me of when we were speculating about hero.....it seemed like all the pieces of the puzzle were aligning perfectly.

 

[Flyboy]

all of the doom "evidence" happening recently is reminding me of when we were speculating about hero.....it seemed like all the pieces of the puzzle were aligning perfectly.

At the same time, Resident Evil also has a lot of the same "pieces". It's still up in the air, so be careful not to jump to conclusions.

 

[SirCamp]

Here's the list of major Japanese IPs, Developers, and Publishers that are not in Smash in any capacity right now. It's not necessarily a comprehensive list, but does lay out a number of options:

Koei Tecmo
Ninja Gaiden - Ryu Hayabusa
Dead or Alive
Dynasty Warriors

Arc System Works
Guilty Gear
Blazblue
River City

Grasshopper Manufacture/Suda 51
No More Heroes - Travis Touchdown

Level 5
Professor Layton
Yokai Watch

Bandai Namco
Tales
Tekken
Digimon
Dark Souls
Soulcalibur
Katamari

Capcom
Resident Evil
Monster Hunter
Devil May Cry
Phoenix Wright
(I'll just cut it off there, there's too damn much from Capcom that you could conceivably include).

Square Enix
Kingdom Hearts (sort of)
Crono
Mana
Nier
Tomb Raider (more of an acquisition, so I'm not sure she belongs here)

Konami
Silent Hill
Gradius

Sega
Puyo Puyo
Shin Megami Tensei (If Joker doesn't count as a rep, also technically another Atlus rep)
Shinobi
Yakuza
Phantasy Star

SNK
Samurai Showdown
Metal Slug

Sorry for the long list, but we could go incredibly deep into the pocket of Japanese franchises and not even touch Western IPs or half of these in the process haha.

I think you're sleeping on Marvelous tbh.

They do Story of Seasons, Rune Factory, Daemon X Machina, Senran Kagura and they've done publishing work for games like Grasshopper Manufacture (who I notice you have included), and they're even worked with Pokemon before.

They are very close to Nintendo over the years, they have a longstanding, well known flagship IP, along side other lesser known or more niche ones, are currently releasing a game in a new IP on Switch, while having multiple more games coming.

And Nintendo even deemed Rune Factory 5 important enough to include in a direct as literally just a teaser. I think people underestimate that tidbit. without more to show Nintendo usually doesn't showcase something in a direct, and when they have its been for big games. I think this has a lot to do with how ridiculously popular Stardew has been.

Story of Seasons/OG Harvest Moon is honestly a bigger deal in the overall gaming landscape than I think most give it credit for and tbh I think the biggest reasons no one really talks about it with respect to Smash is because it isn't the type of game most people hype up to ridiculous levels and its not immediately obvious how a Story of Seasons character would work in Smash. But we all know Sakurai could do it if he wanted. He's done crazier things in the past. But because there aren't too many people talking about it, people don't really perceive it to be a possibility, and the lack of exposure sort of reinforces itself. Compare to characters like Travis Touchdown or Geno who get talked about all the time (and are great characters in their own right) but it would be hard to convince me that they have a bigger/more important legacy than Pete/Jack from Story of Seasons/OG Harvest Moon.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

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all of the doom "evidence" happening recently is reminding me of when we were speculating about hero.....it seemed like all the pieces of the puzzle were aligning perfectly.

Honestly if Doom Slayer gets Steve'd this place is gonna explode. Still, Hero had leaks and datamines on his side.

 

[Calamitas]

all of the doom "evidence" happening recently is reminding me of when we were speculating about hero.....it seemed like all the pieces of the puzzle were aligning perfectly.

So does Elma, and yet you don't hear people talk about it. Depending on how you interpret things, there's lots of characters that just have tons of "evidence" pointing towards them coming to Smash. Not every major development surrounding a character or game has to hint at Smash.

 

[Flyboy]

It actually would make a lot of sense for a Story of Seasons character to show up. It's the same reason I bring up Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton, and why I think Style Savvy is slept on to an extent. Completely unique demographic not yet catered to by the DLC, very unique fighter, and videogame and Nintendo history to boot.

It helps that It's A Wonderful Life just got an HD remake. More people are learning that Story of Seasons is the former Harvest Moon as a result.

 

[venomthebest]

speaking of doom in smash, found this cool piece of concept/what if picture

 

[ze9]

Gruntilda's Lair, Megalovania and Sign of Evil will elevate Smash Ultimate from a 10/10 to an 11/10.

 

[ROBnWatch]

So does Elma, and yet you don't hear people talk about it. Depending on how you interpret things, there's lots of characters that just have tons of "evidence" pointing towards them coming to Smash. Not every major development surrounding a character or game has to hint at Smash.

I agree with this statement. Another character that has “evidence” is Porky. Nobody talks about this either. And I’m sure there are quite a few other characters that have “evidence” that may or may not result in anything.

Bottom line, nobody really knows what’s “evidence” and what’s not. Some of this may be evidence/hints yes, but I think sometimes we’re all too quick to take any minor thing and blow it up as large as possible to make it Smash related. We’ll see what happens from here. And hopefully nothing gets spoiled beforehand.

 

[Wigglerman]

I also thought that for ages because I always thought Digimon was an anime ripping off the Pokemon anime.

Ah, when we were young. Hard to be a ripoff when they came out at near exactly the same time XD Digimon is great though. Always hoping a rep gets in, even if their odds are a lot less likely, imo, than other potential additions.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Not sure if this is mentioned or not but the dataminers found something

Lets just say Sakurai lied again

There’s another mode found in the 5.0 datamine suposivly rumor is tag team mode

 

[Flyboy]

Not sure if this is mentioned or not but the dataminers found something

Lets just say Sakurai lied again

There’s another mode found in the 5.0 datamine suposivly rumor is tag team mode

"Lied"

An online version of an existing mode or expanded variation on an existing mode after a direct says HRC is "pretty much" the last "new" mode isn't a lie.

Be careful, too, because that's a rabbit hole that could lead to "Oh but what if he was lying about Iron Man???"

 

[3BitSaurus]

"Lied"

An online version of an existing mode or expanded variation on an existing mode after a direct says HRC is "pretty much" the last "new" mode isn't a lie.

Be careful, too, because that's a rabbit hole that could lead to "Oh but what if he was lying about Iron Man???"

It does bring something into question, however:

If the remaining datamined Online modes are just variations or extensions of existing ones... what about that one datamined new Smash mode? Was it scrapped? Or is it just something minor enough that it can't really be called a "new mode"?

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Weird question but is Iron man really that popular in the context of Smash? The only 4 party that I see people asking are Goku (and sometimes other anime characters), Shrek and Spongebob (the last two are clearly memes). I actually never saw anyone talking about Iron man in Smash aside from Sakurai himself. Is he like more popular in Japan or something?

 

[ze9]

Every character so far has come with a new mode (bar Plant, I think), it's not too surprising that there will be more. I think Terry and the last character will both come with some new mode.

About Doomguy... yeah, he has some shaky "evidence", but mostly I think that he fits just right next to Mario, Link, Samus, Cloud, Banjo, Ryu, Sonic, Pac-man, Simon and the likes. Gaming's haute culture.

 

[Icedragonadam]

The only reliable evidence for characters is from Insiders and Nintendo's Insiders. That's how we got Terry.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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Honestly if Doom Slayer gets Steve'd this place is gonna explode. Still, Hero had leaks and datamines on his side.

Watch as we get Dovahkiin or even Vault Boy instead of Doom Slayer lmao

id be all for vault boy tbh i heckin love Fallout

 

[He-Was-Number-Wan]

Has there been much discussion about Cuphead? Would anyone here be excited for Cuphead?

 

[shinhed-echi]

speaking of doom in smash, found this cool piece of concept/what if picture

I love this! I never noticed how these concept pics even had a classic mode in them!
Love the spirits and music choices. And of course, Doomguy alt is my jam.

 

[DevaAshera]

But the game came first. Which means Digimon is a video game franchise. Meaning Digimon was and still is a possibility but apparantly isn't because you said so

Depends on if you count a Tamagachi-like device as a video game or a toy.
It's a weird sort of middle ground for the original Digimon.

 

[cothero]

Have dataminers found another character evidence like "Brave" ou "Jack" in version 5.0?

 

[Deleted member]

Have dataminers found another character evidence like "Brave" ou "Jack" in version 5.0?

There's none that I'm aware of since they probably stepped up their game after Brave got leaked, but Banjo-Kazooie's codename was revealed to be Buddy. Had that codename been leaked on the same time as Jack and Brave, the speculation scene would've probably jumped all over the place on it.

 

[Calamitas]

Have dataminers found another character evidence like "Brave" ou "Jack" in version 5.0?

Considering how they removed "Brave" once it became clear that had been found out, I highly doubt that they'd be so careless to leave something like this again.

Though here's a fun discussion topic for everyone here: Which potential newcomers do you think would have which code name?

I for one could see "law"/"lawyer" for Phoenix Wright, "sun" for Amaterasu, or "mech" for Elma.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Considering how they removed "Brave" once it became clear that had been found out, I highly doubt that they'd be so careless to leave something like this again.

Though here's a fun discussion topic for everyone here: Which potential newcomers do you think would have which code name?

I for one could see "law"/"lawyer" for Phoenix Wright, "sun" for Amaterasu, or "mech" for Elma.

One word that needs to be referenced with this character, coffee.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Considering how they removed "Brave" once it became clear that had been found out, I highly doubt that they'd be so careless to leave something like this again.

Though here's a fun discussion topic for everyone here: Which potential newcomers do you think would have which code name?

I for one could see "law"/"lawyer" for Phoenix Wright, "sun" for Amaterasu, or "mech" for Elma.

“Mary” for KOS-MOS
“Prize” for Bandana Dee
“Bull” for Black Shadow
“Deepsea” for Octolings (taken from the Deepsea Metro from Octo Expansion)

 

[andree123]

One word that needs to be referenced with this character, coffee.

Okay, I think of Lloyd Irving but seeing as Bandai Namco had developed smash ultimate, I guess that they may likely go with Lloyd instead.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

speaking of doom in smash, found this cool piece of concept/what if picture

MKHT's template is fantastic! I made a couple of these myself using it!