Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[CHAMPIONX9]

3pm tomorrow feels far off rn.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

So how would this board explode of Sabi and Vergeben got played by nintendo and it wasnt Terry at all?

I would LOL if that happens.

 

[YezenIRl]

“I’m disappointed cause it’s not a character I wanted at all” without really openly saying that.

This is completely untrue. I'd never heard of Nakoruru till the other day. But the idea of her seemed novel enough where I was very open to the idea of a new and interesting fighter with some unique mechanics that they bring to the table. There wasn't a character I wanted, and if there was it certainly wasn't Nakoruru. But I am able to look at the basic idea of the character, and welcome something unique and unexpected.

With Terry there is just nothing there. that I didn't already have on the roster. Which is evident since till now no one has come forward with a single thing that would actually make Terry distinct.

Judged on his own merits, Terry is and always has been a cool dude with a lot of charm and personality. Saying he’s boring cause he’s fairly standard is like saying Captain Falcon is boring, when the appeal of the two character’s is fairly similar, their personalities and their quotable catch phrases.

To me this comparison makes no sense.

First of all, this goes right back to my point. Terry is only appealing to people who he's already won over from his games. People who already like Terry Bogard because they are fans of him from KoF, and thus have already been charmed by his personality and catchphrases. But if you aren't fro that minority of people, Terry is just a generic fighting game guy. He's not interesting.

Even the comparison to Captain Falcon I think isn't quite right. First of all, Captain Falcon was introduced at a different time, to a different roster. Second, Captain Falcon looks way more unique to the roster he was introduced to. Smash established his catchphrases and personality, and he stood out because he was this little known secret character from a game that was exclusively Nintendo, with a ton of personality. He wasn't paid DLC.

Much more so deserving than the likes of Heihachi, Crash, Rayman, Tracer, Steve, Waluigi, Geno, Agumon, Lloyd, KOS-MOS, and a bunch others that I’m sure many of the people sour on Terry would have preferred. Terry and SNK both have a legacy in gaming, and are significant to the industry.

Idk about all of his "deserving" talk. It's usually just an excuse for people to pick the criteria they care about and ignore the criteria they don't. Some of those characters are indeed more iconic than Terry Bogard though. Also there is the question of repesenting different genres, which Terry does not do.

People should be glad it’s two gaming icons in the form of Terry and Hayabusa

The problem with this is that there are much bigger gaming icons that aren't boring and redundant.

More on this whole "I find Terry boring" thing...

I remember the night Joker was announced for Smash. I watched the trailer and my immediate thought was, "who?" I knew the name Persona, but I'd never played it and had literally never heard of Joker. So I watched his Smash Bros trailer, somewhat impressed that it was a completely unexpected reveal, and also with no expectations what so ever. This certainly wasn't a character I'd been hoping for, but I figured I'd look into him.

So immediately upon looking at official art and screenshots, my first thought was "well, there is literally no one in Smash that looks anything like this guy." Then, watching gameplay videos and seeing how he fought, with him using a knife, and a gun, and summoning these ghost things to fight with him, my next thought was "well, there is literally no one in Smash that fights anything like this guy." Going from there, I look into the series, and the aesthetic, and the tone, and the mechanics, and I realize that this is a totally cool, totally unique addition to Smash's library of diverse titles and genres. I realize, "There is nothing in Smash quite like Persona."

Compared to Terry, given he's still unconfirmed and I've yet to see a trailer, but literally none of that stuff is true yet. KoF isn't really much different from SF. Terry isn't much unique in the way he fights, or the way he looks, or the era of fighting games he comes from. Even if you hate Joker and love Terry, idk how this can even be argued.

 

[GoodGrief741]

The problem with this is that there are much bigger gaming icons that aren't boring and redundant.

How tf are these characters redundant? Take the L and admit you don't know anything about them, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[YezenIRl]

How tf are these characters redundant? Take the L and admit you don't know anything about them, you're embarrassing yourself.

lol I'm not embarrassed by a lack of Terry Bogard knowledge. In fact, I mention it in almost every post I make about him. It's specifically part of my point. Some characters are appealing whether you've played their games or not, because they just feel so different to the current roster, where you look at them and they instantly feel fresh. IMO Terry is not one of those characters.

And again, I'm open to hearing other opinions about this. Is there anyone out there who has never played, or was never a fan of FF/KoF, yet is hype for Terry? Anyone? If so, why?

 

[MrElectroG64]

How tf are these characters redundant? Take the L and admit you don't know anything about them, you're embarrassing yourself.

Terry is redundant because he would be a complete retread of Ryu.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Terry's reveal trailer needs to be an continuation to Kencineroar.

Picture it. Begins withabout to faceandonly for Terry to reveal himself and beat them all. Afterwardsrecovers and the two proceeds to fight.

Its perfect!

 

[zferolie]

I would rather the terry trailer be a new and unique one. Only the banjo fits being a sequel due to the character and cercumstances.

Honestly, i have a feeling the snk trailer will be unique, or emulate the old opening of kof as that also used an smash style invitation

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Are we forgetting that Sakurai and Namco both decided that Pac-Man was more deserving as an individual character than Heiatchi?

 

[CroonerMike]

Terry is redundant because he would be a complete retread of Ryu.

You clearly know nothing at all.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Terry is redundant because he would be a complete retread of Ryu.

Well I guess so iswith

Also if anything Terry is more akin to.

Also British Duck Hunt vs. Trucker Ken anyone?

 

[GoodGrief741]

lol I'm not embarrassed by a lack of Terry Bogard knowledge. In fact, I mention it in almost every post I make about him. It's specifically part of my point. Some characters are appealing whether you've played their games or not, because they just feel so different to the current roster, where you look at them and they instantly feel fresh. IMO Terry is not one of those characters.

And again, I'm open to hearing other opinions about this. Is there anyone out there who has never played, or was never a fan of FF/KoF, yet is hype for Terry? Anyone? If so, why?

Then explain what character in the roster looks like Ryu or Terry.

Terry is redundant because he would be a complete retread of Ryu.

Do explain how.

Are we forgetting that Sakurai and Namco both decided that Pac-Man was more deserving as an individual character than Heiatchi?

And he totally is...

 

[KillerCage]

The Quarter Guy will probably go nuts if he hasn't been spoiled. Heck he might go nuts anyway.

You watch the Quarter Guy too? I just finished rewatching his Castlevania videos.

 

[Himiko]

This is completely untrue. I'd never heard of Nakoruru till the other day. But the idea of her seemed novel enough where I was very open to the idea of a new and interesting fighter with some unique mechanics that they bring to the table. There wasn't a character I wanted, and if there was it certainly wasn't Nakoruru. But I am able to look at the basic idea of the character, and welcome something unique and unexpected.

With Terry there is just nothing there. that I didn't already have on the roster. Which is evident since till now no one has come forward with a single thing that would actually make Terry distinct.

How tf are these characters redundant? Take the L and admit you don't know anything about them, you're embarrassing yourself.

lol I'm not embarrassed by a lack of Terry Bogard knowledge. In fact, I mention it in almost every post I make about him. It's specifically part of my point. Some characters are appealing whether you've played their games or not, because they just feel so different to the current roster, where you look at them and they instantly feel fresh. IMO Terry is not one of those characters.

And again, I'm open to hearing other opinions about this. Is there anyone out there who has never played, or was never a fan of FF/KoF, yet is hype for Terry? Anyone? If so, why?

I won't go as far as to say Terry is redundant, but Yezen definitely has a point that as someone that isn't already a fan of Terry, he sure seems generic and boring. Even though I'm already a fan of Nakoruru prior to these leaks, she is infinitely more interesting and unique, and would be a much better addition to Smash.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

And he totally is...

Surely, by that logic, a Tetronimo ought to be in Smash and have been added years ago?
Nothing against Pac-Man, but the 'character' of Pac-Man doesn't need so much representation as the game.
You see, the only real 'character' of Pac-Man we've seen comes from Pac-Land, a practically forgotten game and some different series, like Ghostly Adventures. Nothing against forgotten games either, but bear in mind that it makes sense from first-party franchises, like Kid Icarus or Ice Climbers. From third-parties, it's a lot sketchier.

Just our opinion though

 

[yeet123]

Terry is Ken with a hat. Street Fighter and King of Fighters are similar games. He'd be a pretty boring addition.

LETS GO, OWL GIRL!

 

[YoshiandToad]

So immediately upon looking at official art and screenshots, my first thought was "well, there is literally no one in Smash that looks anything like this guy."

Well I wouldn't say literally no one looks like Joker...



There's a reason Bayo is his Smash meme mother

 

[TheCJBrine]

Surely, by that logic, a Tetronimo ought to be in Smash and have been added years ago?
Nothing against Pac-Man, but the 'character' of Pac-Man doesn't need so much representation as the game.
You see, the only real 'character' of Pac-Man we've seen comes from Pac-Land, a practically forgotten game and some different series, like Ghostly Adventures. Nothing against forgotten games either, but bear in mind that it makes sense from first-party franchises, like Kid Icarus or Ice Climbers. From third-parties, it's a lot sketchier.

Just our opinion though

The PAC-MAN World series, some other games...

 

[Perkilator]

Terry is Ken with a hat. Street Fighter and King of Fighters are similar games. He'd be a pretty boring addition.

LETS GO, OWL GIRL!

Well, apparently the creator of the original Fighting Street went on to MAKE Fatal Fury.

 

[Himiko]

accidental repost lol

 

[Ridrool64]

Terry's honestly just Incineroar 3 (& Terry) right now.

What do Incineroar, Hero (specifically Erdrick) and Terry all have in common? All of them were leaked before their announcement and had a bunch of haters coming out of the woodwork to bash them hoping they'd go away. And two of them are now beloved, if Hero is controversial, so Terry will probably have a crapload of fans once people see him in action.

 

[Teeb147]

No doubt there's people who'll like terry, just like any figter would have fans.
Needless to say I'm with the crowd that Terry would be extremely boring and also in general it feels like the tipping point for me to feel very disappointed in the dlc choices if he's in.

This isn't to debate at all, since this is how I feel about it. But I do know i'm not the only one.

I will say that I've played King of Fighters and have experience with most of the characters. I feel like it's not a good choice, for quite a few reasons. Anyway, carry on.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Terry is Ken with a hat.

And completely different moves.

 

[MrElectroG64]

You clearly know nothing at all.

Well I guess so iswith

Also if anything Terry is more akin to.

Also British Duck Hunt vs. Trucker Ken anyone?

Then explain what character in the roster looks like Ryu or Terry.

Do explain how.

And he totally is...

Terry would be a complete retread of Ryu/Ken because:
1.) He is a generic man with the basic default beginner moveset, like Ryu
2.) He is a physical character who just punches and kicks, like Ryu
3.) He would have to have the same Gameplay Mechanic as Ryu/Ken, being the varried input moves, since that gimmick is made to encapsulate the entirely of fighting game characters and the nature of how they control. They can't take it away, because then he'd be a basic punch and kick man WITHOUT a gimmick to at least spice him up a little bit, while still not representing the genre of games he comes from, when Ryu, his rival, DOES. They're literally forced to give him that gimmick.

The fact that he has different moves from Ryu and Ken is irrelevant in smash, because in a roster of over 70 characters, simply punching in a sliiiiiightly different way doesn't cut it anymore. In a standard fighting game, Terry and Ryu/Ken would of course be totally different, but in smash, where the scope of what makes fighters different from each other is MUUUUUUUCH larger than it would be in a standard fighting game that is locked to its specific way of playing each character, they're too similar to not be a complete retread. Characters like Ryu in smash were clearly added to be representatives of Fighting Games as a whole, with Ken there as being one of the most easy and obvious echo fighters known to man. Having Terry there would absolutely be redundant and defeat the purpose of Ryu in the first place.

 

[ze9]

Can't wait to see you all praising how fun and unique Terry is looking in 29 hours.

 

[NurpNurp]

And again, I'm open to hearing other opinions about this. Is there anyone out there who has never played, or was never a fan of FF/KoF, yet is hype for Terry? Anyone? If so, why?

I'm not strictly a KoF/FF fan, but I'm in general a fighting game fan. I honestly just like Terry's design and I think he's got his own bit of uniqueness in design and moveset to separate him from Ryu/Ken. I'm not gonna say i was begging for him or anything, but I'm down for him being in... even if I would prefer Athena personally

 

[yeet123]

And completely different moves.

CoMpLeTeLY DifFeReNt MoVeS!

 

[Ridrool64]

He's also Erdrick 2, because before Hero was revealed, very few had faith he wouldn't be Link meets Robin. So Terry probably won't be just Ken 2.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Surely, by that logic, a Tetronimo ought to be in Smash and have been added years ago?
Nothing against Pac-Man, but the 'character' of Pac-Man doesn't need so much representation as the game.
You see, the only real 'character' of Pac-Man we've seen comes from Pac-Land, a practically forgotten game and some different series, like Ghostly Adventures. Nothing against forgotten games either, but bear in mind that it makes sense from first-party franchises, like Kid Icarus or Ice Climbers. From third-parties, it's a lot sketchier.

Just our opinion though

Pac-Man is literally one of the most iconic characters in gaming, you're out of your mind if you think four blocks in a random order compares.

Terry would be a complete retread of Ryu/Ken because:
1.) He is a generic man with the basic default beginner moveset
2.) He is a physical character who just punches and kicks
3.) He would have to have the same Gameplay Mechanic as Ryu/Ken, being the varried input moves, since that gimmick is made to encapsulate the entirely of fighting game characters and the nature of how they control. They can't take it away, because then he'd be a basic punch and kick man WITHOUT a gimmick to at least spice him up a little bit. They're literally forced to give him that gimmick.

As you clearly know a lot about KoF, I'm sure you won't mind explain which of his moves are identical to the Hadouken, Shoryuken, Tatsumaki and Focus Attack and why those are the obvious choices.

Plenty more things wrong there but let's start with that.

 

[YezenIRl]

Then explain what character in the roster looks like Ryu or Terry.

I think Ken and Ryu look like Terry. I don't mean that they look EXACTLY the same. Obviously Ryu and Ken wear gis, and Terry dresses like a trucker. But I mean their overall aesthetic just has too much overlap. Particularly when you consider that Ken is already on the roster. Two blonde guys depicted in a similar art style, from 2D fighters with similar mechanics, with similar builds, who have a generic main "protagonist moveset" (by that I'm referring to the tendency for fighting games to make their protagonists the most balanced and generic characters on the roster, so that they can be used to learn the basic mechanics of the game while other characters introduce more bombastic unique gimmicks.) As such, Ryu and Ken already bring the 2D fighting game mechanics of combos and light vs. heavy moves that are prevalent in SF and FF/KoF.

I just don't understand what Terry is bringing to the table besides a trucker hat and some catch phrases.

I'm sure you won't mind explain which of his moves are identical to the Hadouken, Shoryuken, Tatsumaki and Focus Attack and why those are the obvious choices.

I don't think anyone is saying that his special moves would do the exact same thing. We can literally watch a gameplay video and see his signaturemoves. We know they are mostly different. We just don't think they are compelling enough to warrant his inclusion.

As for Ryu. Idk Ryu just looks like a generic ninja to me. Is that even a debate? I'm just not hype about the prospect of another Ninja character in Smash who's gimmick is that they're a ninja.

 

[Teeb147]

Athena would be awesone, honestly. I dont really know how popular she is though.

 

[NurpNurp]

Athena would be awesone, honestly. I dont really know how popular she is though.

I don't know enough about her save that she's SNK's cross game representative (as in she's been in a bunch of their fighting games and crossovers), which is basically my same reasoning for wanting Anna from Fire Emblem even though people kinda hate FE reps

 

[GoodGrief741]

You know, we've gotten to a pretty funny place in Smash speculation where people think characters are the same just because they punch or wield a sword. Really sorry for any fans of gun wielders if Doomguy or Leon/Jill gets in.

All I gotta say is if you're not interested in people punching maybe fighting games aren't for you.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I definitely think the SNK rep is a Pokemon/Zelda& Sheik character. SNK games have the tag team mechanic and Sakurai has been very faithfully on implementing a guest character's gameplay mechanic into their moveset to make them stand out. That and you have Milk who correctly said everything about Hero saying a female character with a flying weapon was next. So I think it'll actually be Terry and Nakoruru as a 2 in 1 fighter or someone else added as well for a three in one fighter. We've seen the misdirection with Erdrick with Insiders.

 

[Guynamednelson]

If you want an SNK character who's another Ryu:

He's named Ryo and his specials are much closer to the Hadoken, Shoryuken, and Tatsumaki.

 

[Himiko]

Can't wait to see you all praising how fun and unique Terry is looking in 29 hours.

With him taking Nakoruru's spot, not a chance in hell.

CoMpLeTeLY DifFeReNt MoVeS!

A CoMpLeTeLY UnIqUE aNd InTeReStInG ADdItIoN tO tHe RoStEr!

 

[SKX31]

lol I'm not embarrassed by a lack of Terry Bogard knowledge. In fact, I mention it in almost every post I make about him. It's specifically part of my point. Some characters are appealing whether you've played their games or not, because they just feel so different to the current roster, where you look at them and they instantly feel fresh. IMO Terry is not one of those characters.

And again, I'm open to hearing other opinions about this. Is there anyone out there who has never played, or was never a fan of FF/KoF, yet is hype for Terry? Anyone? If so, why?

I would be hype. I know I can't change your opinion, but I'll share why:

I'm personally someone who takes details and runs with them. I know from experience that two very similar characters can wind up playing completely differently, especially if you give them time. Just look at Melee Fox and Melee Falco. Exactly the same moveset, but plays very differently. I noticed that, as a kid, Falco's downair spiked with a massive "THUD!" Fox's was a multi-hit. The differences between Falco's and Fox's attacks made me like Falco more. And that's before I even knew people were Serious Business about Melee tournaments (and that Fox and Falco had completely different gameplans).

Sure, Terry might be Ken / Captain Falcon-esque at first glance. But devil's in the details.

Terry's a hell of a lot more ground-based, and I could see that just from looking at the specials. Once. The specials (outside of Rising Tackle) are not your Hadokens - even Burn Knuckle is much more straightforward than Captain Falcon's Raptor Boost. My first impression was that they're meant to be powerful knock back / keep away options, and allow Terry to set up his next attack. Even Rising Tackle looks different from Ryu's and Ken's genre-defining Shoryukens and Captain Falcon's Falcon Dive - which is a grab mind.

Terry's gameplan would thus use rather standard, sometimes boring normals - but pick the right time to land the specials, and BIG damage. Sounds like Captain Falcon? At first glance, but Falcon Punch is a very windy-uppy PUNCH. Power Geyser is a vertical launcher and Burn Knuckle a leaping punch. Rising Tackle lacks any horizontal movement - keep that in mind. Captain Falcon is known for his aerial game too - otherwise his F-Air wouldn't get the nickname "Knee of Justice". I strongly doubt Terry would have the aerial game Falcon or even Ryu / Ken have.

That leaves the Mii Brawler, but I'd argue that the Brawler's extremely commital. You either land the attacks, or Brawler's short range gets punished. Terry on the other hand does have the body to at least have some more range.

Of course, Terry's not my first SNK pick. But I wouldn't mind him.

 

[dezeray112]

I am not sure if I will be able to watch the Nintendo Direct tomorrow as it will start at 23:00pm, but I will try my best to stay awake to see it if I could.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah I think I might prefer the bird lady too if we have to have an SNK character, oh well...
I hope he brings in a nice stage and music at least.

 

[yeet123]

You know, we've gotten to a pretty funny place in Smash speculation where people think characters are the same just because they punch or wield a sword. Really sorry for any fans of gun wielders if Doomguy or Leon/Jill gets in.

All I gotta say is if you're not interested in people punching maybe fighting games aren't for you.

This is such an unfair claim. Its not the fact that people are sick of "punchers" in Smash. It's the fact that Ken and Ryu are as basic as a fighting-game-fighter template you can get, and Terry is the same thing.

A punch from Minecraft Steve would be more unique than a punch from Terry.


In the end, Im not salty over SNK. Id just prefer any fighter over Terry (like Nakoruru).