Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Droodle]

Heh... sorry Jonesy, but leave Smash Bros Ultimate to me.

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[QQS]

If Smash is a celebration of gaming, then Grand Theft Auto deserves to be in Smash. So do Mortal Kombat and Ace Attorney.
These ramblings do not reflect my views of who I'd like to see get in.

Scorpion for Smash would be an epic and nice addition to the roster. Gaming fighting icon with a new moveset, history with Nintendo, good music and a lot of more material. Maybe even Sub Zero as an echo with some B differences.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If Smash is a celebration of gaming, then Grand Theft Auto deserves to be in Smash. So do Mortal Kombat and Ace Attorney.
These ramblings do not reflect my views of who I'd like to see get in.

And Lara Croft. THE Female video game protagonist.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I just saw that Kirby, Monster hunter, Phoenix Wright, Yokai Watch and Reimu are in the last Taiko no tatsujin. https://twitter.com/tech_gaming/status/1334207253944037378?s=19

This make me think that if Nintendo want a more Japanese characters for fighter pass 2 it could be one of those. Monster hunter is huge everywhere, Phoenix Wright is also very popular and well known, Yokai Watch could represent Level 5 who still have no representation, Reimu also have a very big following in Japan and Donchan have a relatively big following there too. I feel like all of those characters could be very easily to work with and that Capcom, Namco, Level 5 and Touhou would easily accept to be in Smash.

So yeah, a bit random post but seeing this image make me think that if they want a more Japanese charater it could easily be one of those. The only one missing is Arle that also have great chance imo.

Japanese centered character_ majority of the roster.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Okami HD sales numbers revealed, Switch version sold more than any other platform https://t.co/KH0dW1IWgU pic.twitter.com/PFkbCMc69W

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) December 2, 2020

I guess that makes 2 widely beloved Nintendo centric Capcom characters now

 

[SpectreJordan]

Someone posted a comparison of the two anniversary spirit icons -
https://twitter.com/justajagain/status/1333939658967945216?s=20
...the only additions were Byleth, Minmin and Steve. That's what we got in a whole year. Jesus.

Atleast next year we’ll be getting 4 characters. I’m just gonna chalk up only getting 3 characters this year as another example of 2020 being awful.

Random thought:
Do you think Min Min's delay wasn't just because of Min Min's unique playstyle, but also so the gap between her and Steve wasn't too big? I'd imagine a gap between passes wouldn't be as bad as a gap in the middle of a pass. Still, they explicitly cited Min Min's stretchy arms as a reason as to the delay, so at most Steve would only be partially responsible.

It’s definitely possible. The wait between Min-Min & Steve was already awful since we pinned her down fairly quickly (Well, her or Spring-Man). That wait would’ve been even worse if she had just been announced & released immediately.

Not familiar at all with the character or the games - I'd be most interested in how the moveset plays out really, since the AT has clearly shown quite a lot of potential by itself. Same goes with characters like Sakura really (despite Sakura lacking an AT obviously).

Also (wut):

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/k5crrx
Super Smash Bros: Soon on the Xbox Series X.

sweats in Spartan 117

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Okami HD sales numbers revealed, Switch version sold more than any other platform https://t.co/KH0dW1IWgU pic.twitter.com/PFkbCMc69W

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) December 2, 2020

I guess that makes 2 widely beloved Nintendo centric Capcom characters now

Funny you posted. I just finished playing some more of it. I love and adore this game. Its so breathtaking. I wish Amaterasu got more attention in the Smash community.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Okami HD sales numbers revealed, Switch version sold more than any other platform https://t.co/KH0dW1IWgU pic.twitter.com/PFkbCMc69W

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) December 2, 2020

I guess that makes 2 widely beloved Nintendo centric Capcom characters now

And now I await the third pillar...

COME ON CAPCOM BRING BACK JOE

 

[pupNapoleon]

If Smash is a celebration of gaming, then Grand Theft Auto deserves to be in Smash. So do Mortal Kombat and Ace Attorney.
These ramblings do not reflect my views of who I'd like to see get in.

What does Ace Attorney have to do with video game history?

 

[SNEKeater]

What does Ace Attorney have to do with video game history?

I'd argue being the most popular series of your genre is an achievement, even if visual novels aren't that mainstream.

Okami HD sales numbers revealed, Switch version sold more than any other platform https://t.co/KH0dW1IWgU pic.twitter.com/PFkbCMc69W

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) December 2, 2020

I guess that makes 2 widely beloved Nintendo centric Capcom characters now

To be honest the most surprising part of this is that the remaster version of Okami (which would include PS3, PS4, Xbox One, Switch and Steam) has sold 2,2 million of copies. I meant it in a good way: I was expecting way less copies sold.

2,2 million for a simple HD port of a relatively niche game is great. A new game wouldn't take a lot of resources, so who knows, maybe a new Okami game isn't that unlikely as I thought.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'd argue being the most popular series of your genre is an achievement, even if visual novels aren't that mainstream.

I'm not going to say it isn't- I just thought that when compared to GTA- one of the greatest selling gaming franchises ever, or Mortal Kombat- which brought on the ESRB, there might be something more specific.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I'd argue being the most popular series of your genre is an achievement, even if visual novels aren't that mainstream.

What do you base that on?

 

[StarBot]

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— Aardman (@aardman) December 2, 2020

WALLACE AND GROMIT FOR SMASH GUYS????

 

[PeridotGX]

If Smash is a celebration of gaming, then Grand Theft Auto deserves to be in Smash. So do Mortal Kombat and Ace Attorney.
These ramblings do not reflect my views of who I'd like to see get in.

The 10 most deserving series for a character (no bias)

1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (Grovyle)
2. Scribblenauts (Maxwel)
3. Kirby (Bandana Dee)
4. Undertale (Frisk)
5. Mega Man X (Megaman X)
6. Yoshi (Kamek)
7. Kirby again (Marx)
8. Ace Attourny (Phoenix Wright)
9. Mario (Fawful)
10. Devil May Cry (Dante)

 

[SharkLord]

We're pleased to share that Aardman and @BandaiNamcoEU have joined forces to develop a brand new IP, driven by a shared vision on the future of entertainment.

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— Aardman (@aardman) December 2, 2020

WALLACE AND GROMIT FOR SMASH GUYS????

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[Perkilator]

The 10 most deserving series for a character (no bias)

1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (Grovyle)
2. Scribblenauts (Maxwel)
3. Kirby (Bandana Dee)
4. Undertale (Frisk)
5. Mega Man X (Megaman X)
6. Yoshi (Kamek)
7. Kirby again (Marx)
8. Ace Attourny (Phoenix Wright)
9. Mario (Fawful)
10. Devil May Cry (Dante)

The 10 deserving series for me:

1. Crash Bandicoot
2. Kingdom Hearts (Sora)
3. Resident Evil (Jill Valentine)
4. Ring Fit Adventure (Trainee)
5. Kirby (Bandana Dee)
6. Dragalia Lost (Euden)
7. Dark Souls (Chosen Undead)
8. Ys (Adol Christin)
9. Yoshi (Kamek)
10. Any character(s) from Nintendo's NES days

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

The idea of franchises that "deserve" to be in Smash is interesting, since I find that my list of wants is a lot different than what I think is deserving. Granted, I think the concept is misplaced a little when we all know that isn't how things are decided, but here goes in no particular order:

Resident Evil
Monster Hunter
Ace Attorney
Xenoblade
Dark Souls
Tomb Raider
Streets of Rage/River City/some other classic Beatemup I'm missing
Contra
Either Doom or Halo
Warcraft

 

[Mushroomguy12]

We're pleased to share that Aardman and @BandaiNamcoEU have joined forces to develop a brand new IP, driven by a shared vision on the future of entertainment.

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— Aardman (@aardman) December 2, 2020

WALLACE AND GROMIT FOR SMASH GUYS????

The internet never ceases to amaze.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit pic.twitter.com/HKp7RqBw6h

— Smashed Crossovers (@SmashCrossovers) November 30, 2019

 

[SNEKeater]

What do you base that on?

Maybe there's some kind of popularity list somewhere or something, I mean, I don't have numbers if that's what you're asking.

It might be just me but Ace Attorney was the first visual novel series I heard of. And without going into really specific communities or circles, Ace Attorney seems to be the most popular/known franchise of the genre for outsiders. In other words, I'm pretty much convinced if you started asking gamers which visual novel series they recognize or have heard of, AA would be at least in the top 3.

Just that. I wasn't saying the series is as influential or important for the story of gaming as Resident Evil, to name one.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Don’t mind me nabbing this from the Geno thread and while it’s not Smash related it is Switch related...

Surprised this hasn't been discussed yet but it seems they have discontinued the Switch sick in the UK at least. Doesn't seem likely that it would be discontinued for no reason whatsoever. Could be because of the hypothetical Pro that has been going around for way too long. Could be nothing of course but worth bringing up nonetheless

Switch Pro/Ultra next year...?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Don’t mind me nabbing this from the Geno thread and while it’s not Smash related it is Switch related...

Switch Pro/Ultra next year...?

If they're releasing BOTW2 next year, a similar release window with a Switch Pro would make sense.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Don’t mind me nabbing this from the Geno thread and while it’s not Smash related it is Switch related...

Switch Pro/Ultra next year...?

Or they're just upgrading the dock, or production is too low so they can't keep up with extra docks along with the ones that come with the system.

A Switch Pro seems reasonable, but there are other possible reasons for the dock thing.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Maybe there's some kind of popularity list somewhere or something, I mean, I don't have numbers if that's what you're asking.

It might be just me but Ace Attorney was the first visual novel series I heard of. And without going into really specific communities or circles, Ace Attorney seems to be the most popular/known franchise of the genre for outsiders. In other words, I'm pretty much convinced if you started asking gamers which visual novel series they recognize or have heard of, AA would be at least in the top 3.

Just that. I wasn't saying the series is as influential or important for the story of gaming as Resident Evil, to name one.

Fate is pretty big.

 

[7NATOR]

Don’t mind me nabbing this from the Geno thread and while it’s not Smash related it is Switch related...

Switch Pro/Ultra next year...?

For Right now, it's only discotinuing in the UK, and I Believe it's only the Seperate Dock thing. Docks still come with New Switches

For Switch Pro though, Perhaps. I thought that be a 2022 or later honestly

 

[pupNapoleon]

The 10 most deserving series for a character (no bias)

1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (Grovyle)
2. Scribblenauts (Maxwel)
3. Kirby (Bandana Dee)
4. Undertale (Frisk)
5. Mega Man X (Megaman X)
6. Yoshi (Kamek)
7. Kirby again (Marx)
8. Ace Attourny (Phoenix Wright)
9. Mario (Fawful)
10. Devil May Cry (Dante)

Jeez- even with characters I support here, I cannot support any of this list.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Fate is pretty big.

The one thing with Fate is that the visual novel side of things hasn't left Japan, so I'm not sure if Fate can really count primarily as a visual novel series for most of the world.

 

[cashregister9]

If I was choosing series based purely on who """Deserves""" it...

Trails (Estelle) [there is absolutely no Bias here no siree]
Half-Life (Gordon Freeman)
Warcraft (Arthas)
Resident Evil (Wesker)
River City Rampage/Final Fight (Kunio/Mike Haggar)
Mortal Kombat (Scorpion/Sub-Zero)
Fate (Saber)
Xenoblade (Lora)
Dark Souls (Chosen Undead)

and probably some others I am too tired to think of.

 

[chocolatejr9]

We're pleased to share that Aardman and @BandaiNamcoEU have joined forces to develop a brand new IP, driven by a shared vision on the future of entertainment.

Read more: https://t.co/UveOsrfBlm pic.twitter.com/sTpqCfdaeG

— Aardman (@aardman) December 2, 2020

WALLACE AND GROMIT FOR SMASH GUYS????

Okay, I'm a little confused. Is this JUST a partnership, or something more?

 

[AceAttorney9000]

We're pleased to share that Aardman and @BandaiNamcoEU have joined forces to develop a brand new IP, driven by a shared vision on the future of entertainment.

Read more: https://t.co/UveOsrfBlm pic.twitter.com/sTpqCfdaeG

— Aardman (@aardman) December 2, 2020

WALLACE AND GROMIT FOR SMASH GUYS????

But I thought Wallace was already in Brawl...

 

[SharkLord]

Just look at Taiko no Tatsujin: Rhythmic Adventure's cameos.

Reimu, Phoenix, AND Kirbs? 🤯 pic.twitter.com/p3SGvyT7gD

— Tech-Gaming (@tech_gaming) December 2, 2020

I'm beginning to think Bandai-Namco has a thing for absurd crossovers.

 

[PeridotGX]

Jeez- even with characters I support here, I cannot support any of this list.

i thought it was obvious it was a joke? i was literally listing off my top 10. I don't actually think Grovyle's the most deserving character (I'd struggle to fit him in the top 100)

 

[Perkilator]

i thought it was obvious it was a joke? i was literally listing off my top 10. I don't actually think Grovle's the most deserving character (I'd struggle to fit him in the top 100)

Oh...well, you had me convinced when I saw it.

 

[zeldasmash]

If I had say franchises that in my opinion deserve to be in Smash from a playable standpoint:

Devil May Cry
Halo
Ace Attorney
Mortal Kombat
Crash
Guilty Gear
DOOM
Kingdom Hearts
Lara Croft
Resident Evil

 

[GoodGrief741]

Heh... sorry Jonesy, but leave Smash Bros Ultimate to me.

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This is clearly fake, he would obviously have to be FP11. Otherwise how are they going to fit the obligatory "One last ride"?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I suddenly figured it out but one way we'll tell if we get a reveal next week is said character being leaked at the last minute as with what happened with Steve.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I suddenly figured it out but one way we'll tell if we get a reveal next week is said character being leaked at the last minute as with what happened with Steve.

It was that one Reddit insider who only posts up to an hour in advance. Think his name was paintbrush something I forget

 

[pupNapoleon]

i thought it was obvious it was a joke? i was literally listing off my top 10. I don't actually think Grovyle's the most deserving character (I'd struggle to fit him in the top 100)

I just don't assume most things on this forum are a joke. Just because they usually seems to be, to me.

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

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[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Fate is pretty big.

The VNs haven't really left Japan all that much and the franchise in general was very niche and obscure outside of Japan until Grand Order came along.

Not saying it's not big, but it's definitely not big because of the VNs.

 

[QQS]

Hope to see Geno, Crash and Hayabusa as one of the final characters in Smash. I like many more, and Im done only with my boy Geno (want him since I was a kid with 7 or 8 years), but I’m pretty sure these 3 have very high chances to join the battle!