Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[ShrimpScampi]

Why Monokuma tho? Yeah he's the mascot but what will he represent the core part of the gameplay of the class trial since so far all character represent their core part of their game. Joker with Persona, Steve with crafting and mining, and Min Min with ARMS gameplay. It would be very odd to just plop the truth bullet gameplay to Monokuma when canonically he can't.

Capturing the game mechanics of a series is important, but I also think there's value in capturing the aesthetic of a series. Personas don't work in-game like Arsene does in Smash, but between his general agility, animations, and UI elements, Joker does a great job capturing the feeling and aesthetic of Persona 5. Danganronpa is a mystery game, yes, but it also has this dark but wacky tone that is primarily because of Monokuma -- he's the one calling the shots and setting the rules of the killing games. While the protags are the ones executing the core gameplay loop, to me they're too nice and serious to really capture that Danganronpa feeling in a fight.

 

[Dr.DonPatch64]

Yeah, but when no one knows.

I don't get it, what are you implying, or I could be missing something

 

[Commander_Alph]

Capturing the game mechanics of a series is important, but I also think there's value in capturing the aesthetic of a series. Personas don't work in-game like Arsene does in Smash, but between his general agility, animations, and UI elements, Joker does a great job capturing the feeling and aesthetic of Persona 5. Danganronpa is a mystery game, yes, but it also has this dark but wacky tone that is primarily because of Monokuma -- he's the one calling the shots and setting the rules of the killing games. While the protags are the ones executing the core gameplay loop, to me they're too nice and serious to really capture that Danganronpa feeling in a fight.

It's odd to have the literally main character that you control not being a playable character and instead the villain cause the plot revolve around them and Monokuma just execute things from the background. Heck the protag fit very well as fighter since it could be another interpretation of the class trial with the final smash being the execution as they watches their enemy suffer and distress. It's like if Phoenix Wright is a fighter he for sure acts as if the fight is part of the investigating and court room.

 

[SharkLord]

My two cents on the matter is that as an outsider to the series, Monokuma seems to be by far the most iconic and well-known Daganronpa character, as well as the most important character plot-wise. It's kinda like Pikachu or Sans; They're not the main character but they're iconic enough to become the face of the game regardless.

 

[Idon]

I see no universe where it isn't Monokuma. The others would be cooler but it would almost certainly be Monokuma

Conversely, I see no universe where they would choose someone who's basically an announcer over a character people actually like and play as across the game.

 

[ShrimpScampi]

My two cents on the matter is that as an outsider to the series, Monokuma seems to be by far the most iconic and well-known Daganronpa character, as well as the most important character plot-wise. It's kinda like Pikachu or Sans; They're not the main character but they're iconic enough to become the face of the game regardless.

The bear says it himself:

Spoiler: V3 Chapter 6

 

[SharkLord]

Conversely, I see no universe where they would choose someone who's basically an announcer over a character people actually like and play as across the game.

Dunno about you but I'd definitely choose Xander Mobus as the Smash rep.

Wait...

 

[PeridotGX]

people debating if phoenix wright or monokuma will be fp8.

it'll be both of them. a tag team fighter

 

[Commander_Alph]

My two cents on the matter is that as an outsider to the series, Monokuma seems to be by far the most iconic and well-known Daganronpa character, as well as the most important character plot-wise. It's kinda like Pikachu or Sans; They're not the main character but they're iconic enough to become the face of the game regardless.

He's very different to Pikachu as every Pokemon have the exact 4 move heck there's even an electric type move that Pikachu have that others also have so it's not something special while Monokuma is very different and is just there as a mascot, his literally purpose is a mascot and a disguise for the villain which could literally trigger a spoiler alert cause Danganronpa is heavily rely on the story and it's not an ancient game like Mother 3 or Ocarina of Time.

 

[SharkLord]

He's very different to Pikachu as every Pokemon have the exact 4 move heck there's even an electric type move that Pikachu have that others also have so it's not something special while Monokuma is very different and is just there as a mascot, his literally purpose is a mascot and a disguise for the villain which could literally trigger a spoiler alert.

...I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. That Pikachu is fine because they represent the whole species? That Monokuma doesn't have enough "moveset potential?" That Pikachu is more important in the setting than Monokuma? I'd like a clarification, please.

 

[PK Duststorm]

Phoenix wright anything in smash but please some music

 

[cashregister9]

Wait ****... I rescind my "No Universe" and a few of my other comments on this situation. I caught the Dumb Brains™ and forgot to realize that all the characters added as the first rep in the series have been the playable one regardless of how boring or "sidelined" they are. I still think Monokuma has a slight advantage due to just how Iconic and Central to the plot he is but I should not have dismissed Makoto/Hajime/Kaede/Shuichi so quickly.

EDIT: My posts on this topic are now Certified posts

 

[7NATOR]

If we Did Get Monokuma as a Playable Character, that would be the Perfect time to Drop that Freddy Fazbear Mii costume...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If we Did Get Monokuma as a Playable Character, that would be the Perfect time to Drop that Freddy Fazbear Mii costume...

Indie Mii costumes had no connection with the character they came with, so it's not like a Freddy Mii can't happen just because Monokuma doesn't show up.

 

[Commander_Alph]

...I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. That Pikachu is fine because they represent the whole species? That Monokuma doesn't have enough "moveset potential?" That Pikachu is more important in the setting than Monokuma? I'd like a clarification, please.

The thing is, Pikachu represent the whole entire of Pokemon cause outside the anime he's basically a wild pokemon just like others cause in Smash that Pikachu is just your average Pikachu not Ash's Pikachu but considered special because he's a mascot.

Monokuma does have a moveset potential but claws swipe doesn't really fit the idea of a murder mystery game where the evidence is a weapon and this is because the main game is a visual novel / mystery where Monokuma didn't just roam around the room unlike Ultra Despair Girls which is the spin-off.

 

[7NATOR]

Indie Mii costumes had no connection with the character they came with, so it's not like a Freddy Mii can't happen just because Monokuma doesn't show up.

Oh I wasn't saying that. I think Freddy will get Mii Costume regardless

but that if Monokuma was Playable, it be the perfect time to drop the Freddy Costume. Both are Bears, that Kill People, and got a Huge Following of youtube

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If we get a Freddy costume I can finally make my Five Nights at ****boy’s memes

its time

to inhale

Also

2017年のきょう『ゼノブレイド2』発売!! pic.twitter.com/wO1uqzArTF

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

they finally showed the Rex costume in promotional material (POTD/trailers/the like). Game Over for him...?

I’d think so tbh

 

[Aerospherology]

Indie Mii costumes had no connection with the character they came with, so it's not like a Freddy Mii can't happen just because Monokuma doesn't show up.

imagine a freddy mii with an animated hat that shows the expression the mii would show

 

[PLANTMAN]

2017年のきょう『ゼノブレイド2』発売!! pic.twitter.com/wO1uqzArTF

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

Please don’t take this as some sort of deconfirmation. Pic of the day is supposed to be a fun thing for developers

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Oh I wasn't saying that. I think Freddy will get Mii Costume regardless

but that if Monokuma was Playable, it be the perfect time to drop the Freddy Costume. Both are Bears, that Kill People, and got a Huge Following of youtube

And it's very much where the similarities end, after that they are very different characters. You sure love looking only at the surface level of things.

 

[cashregister9]

2007年のきょう『Wii Fit』発売!! pic.twitter.com/o7vLTD1WFr

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

There is a second POTD

 

[Perkilator]

EDIT: 'd

 

[SharkLord]

2017年のきょう『ゼノブレイド2』発売!! pic.twitter.com/wO1uqzArTF

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

Please don’t take this as some sort of deconfirmation. Pic of the day is supposed to be a fun thing for developers

Rex is dead, got it

 

[7NATOR]

If we get a Freddy costume I can finally make my Five Nights at ****boy’s memes

its time

to inhale

Also

2017年のきょう『ゼノブレイド2』発売!! pic.twitter.com/wO1uqzArTF

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

they finally showed the Rex costume in promotional material (POTD/trailers/the like). Game Over for him...?

I’d think so tbh

It Might just be me, but I feel like you were itching to Deconfirm Rex Quick once you saw the Pic

But I actually Kinda agree though, not that I was predicting Rex Anyway, but I think this Pic could have some merit against Rex. When it comes to the DLC Characters in the game, I don't think they referenced anything related to the DLC before they were made Playable.

And it's very much where the similarities end, after that they are very different characters. You sure love looking only at the surface level of things.

Might I ask what makes you say that?

In any case, I do Like Looking deep within as well. I know Monokuma and Freddy are different characters, but from a Mii Costume pattern standpoint, I think Both of them would fit well together, is what I mean

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Might I ask what makes you say that?

In any case, I do Like Looking deep within as well. I know Monokuma and Freddy are different characters, but from a Mii Costume pattern standpoint, I think Both of them would fit well together, is what I mean

Saying they'd fit just because they're bears that kill people makes it feel like you might not know these characters all too well.

Also, "huge following on YouTube" can be debatable because Danganronpa is still relatively niche, iirc.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It Might just be me, but I feel like you were itching to Deconfirm Rex Quick once you saw the Pic

But I actually Kinda agree though, not that I was predicting Rex Anyway, but I think this Pic could have some merit against Rex. When it comes to the DLC Characters in the game, I don't think they referenced anything related to the DLC before they were made Playable.



Might I ask what makes you say that?

In any case, I do Like Looking deep within as well. I know Monokuma and Freddy are different characters, but from a Mii Costume pattern standpoint, I think Both of them would fit well together, is what I mean

I’m just pointing out a pattern, iirc they didn’t show Spring Man’s AT in any gameplay trailers for DLC or POTD until Min Min’s trailer

I know I know, I’m just saying...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It Might just be me, but I feel like you were itching to Deconfirm Rex Quick once you saw the Pic

Rie did the same when No More Heroes 3 got delayed to 2021.

She'd eventually be right, but for the wrong reasons.

I’m just pointing out a pattern, iirc they didn’t show Spring Man’s AT in any gameplay trailers for DLC or POTD until Min Min’s trailer

They really had no reason to before, but he was perfect for Min Min due to being from the same franchise.

 

[SharkLord]

Saying they'd fit just because they're bears that kill people makes it feel like you might not know these characters all too well.

Also, "huge following on YouTube" can be debatable because Danganronpa is still relatively niche, iirc.

Spoiler

There's also the fact that they're robots and have kids/teens behind them, though how willing they are varies

 

[7NATOR]

Saying they'd fit just because they're bears that kill people makes it feel like you might not know these characters all too well.

Also, "huge following on YouTube" can be debatable because Danganronpa is still relatively niche, iirc.

I Don't know Monokuma All that well to be honest with you. I just know he Executes people and stuff

I'm very Familiar with Freddy, though I haven't been keeping up with the Lore of FNAF since I believe the VR Game.

And Maybe "Huge Following" for Danganronpa is a bit much, but I guess i speak from personal experience, since I saw good amount of Danganronpa videos on Youtube and such, and Is How I came to know that this franchise existed

Rie did the same when No More Heroes 3 got delayed to 2021.

She'd eventually be right, but for the wrong reasons.

Well I'd at least say that personally, I could see where Rie is Coming from with this Pic Deconfirming Rex, Because There has been a Pattern to References to DLC Characters only coming after the Character is revealed. This would mean no rex

But on that note, That would also Mean No Ryu Hayabusa, Arle, or Crash Bandicoot, So if Rex Deconfirmed here, those Characters also Deconfirmed

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I Don't know Monokuma All that well to be honest with you. I just know he Executes people and stuff

I'm very Familiar with Freddy, though I haven't been keeping up with the Lore of FNAF since I believe the VR Game.

And Maybe "Huge Following" for Danganronpa is a bit much, but I guess i speak from personal experience, since I saw good amount of Danganronpa videos on Youtube and such, and Is How I came to know that this franchise existed



Well I'd at least say that personally, I could see where Rie is Coming from with this Pic Deconfirming Rex, Because There has been a Pattern to References to DLC Characters only coming after the Character is revealed. This would mean no rex

But on that note, That would also Mean No Ryu Hayabusa, Arle, or Crash Bandicoot, So if Rex Deconfirmed here, those Characters also Deconfirmed

Whoa hold up where’d Arle, Hayabusa and Crash come from???

 

[cashregister9]

But on that note, That would also Mean No Ryu Hayabusa, Arle, or Crash Bandicoot, So if Rex Deconfirmed here, those Characters also Deconfirmed

You mean those POTD that were tangential references at best that people looked into way to hard?

Whoa hold up where’d Arle, Hayabusa and Crash come from???

IIRC there was a POTD that had a Marth and Yellow Kirby(?) and people said "It looks like Arle and Carbuncle" there was another one with Sheik in front of the moon and people said "It's like Ninja Gaiden" and another with 2 clocks and since crash 4 has villains with 2 clocks on them people said "Is this a Crash reference?"

 

[PLANTMAN]

If we get a Freddy costume I can finally make my Five Nights at ****boy’s memes

its time

to inhale

Also

2017年のきょう『ゼノブレイド2』発売!! pic.twitter.com/wO1uqzArTF

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

they finally showed the Rex costume in promotional material (POTD/trailers/the like). Game Over for him...?

I’d think so tbh

Just to let you know Just because they did that won’t make Elma likely

 

[7NATOR]

Whoa hold up where’d Arle, Hayabusa and Crash come from???

Shortly Before Byleth got Revealed, there were pics of the Day that Referenced Ninja Gaiden and Puyo Puyo. For Puyo Puyo in Particular (because Ryu was deconfirmed by Vergeben and Sabi (Am I allowed to Mention Sabi Here)) it added to the Speculation that Arle was fighter 5, with Papagenos Accelerating that Speculation

And for Crash, there was that Clock Pic that got everyone in a Frenzt, but there were other Pics posted after that referenced Crash too

If Rex is Deconfirmed because of this Pic, and there is a Pattern of DLC only being Referenced after they are revealed, then Arle, Crash, and Ryu will not be Playable in FP2

And just to go off the Tangent, this would also Support Harada Theory, which Deconfirmed Arle and Crash Also. It would also Deconfirm Master Chief, Fortnite, Doomguy, and Sora

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Just to let you know Just because they did that won’t make Elma likely

I didn’t mention anything about Elma in my post but ok

Shortly Before Byleth got Revealed, there were pics of the Day that Referenced Ninja Gaiden and Puyo Puyo. For Puyo Puyo in Particular (because Ryu was deconfirmed by Vergeben and Sabi (Am I allowed to Mention Sabi Here)) it added to the Speculation that Arle was fighter 5, with Papagenos Accelerating that Speculation

And for Crash, there was that Clock Pic that got everyone in a Frenzt, but there were other Pics posted after that referenced Crash too

If Rex is Deconfirmed because of this Pic, and there is a Pattern of DLC only being Referenced after they are revealed, then Arle, Crash, and Ryu will not be Playable in FP2

And just to go off the Tangent, this would also Support Harada Theory, which Deconfirmed Arle and Crash Also. It would also Deconfirm Master Chief, Fortnite, Doomguy, and Sora

I feel like the homages wouldn’t count against the characters they’re referencing tho

 

[SharkLord]

Shortly Before Byleth got Revealed, there were pics of the Day that Referenced Ninja Gaiden and Puyo Puyo. For Puyo Puyo in Particular (because Ryu was deconfirmed by Vergeben and Sabi (Am I allowed to Mention Sabi Here)) it added to the Speculation that Arle was fighter 5, with Papagenos Accelerating that Speculation

And for Crash, there was that Clock Pic that got everyone in a Frenzt, but there were other Pics posted after that referenced Crash too

If Rex is Deconfirmed because of this Pic, and there is a Pattern of DLC only being Referenced after they are revealed, then Arle, Crash, and Ryu will not be Playable in FP2

And just to go off the Tangent, this would also Support Harada Theory, which Deconfirmed Arle and Crash Also. It would also Deconfirm Master Chief, Fortnite, Doomguy, and Sora

That just sounds like a reach based on inconclusive evidence

 

[PLANTMAN]

I didn’t mention anything about Elma in my post but ok

I feel like the homages wouldn’t count against the characters they’re referencing tho

Oh I know that you didn’t it’s just that I feel like you just want her as the last xeno rep standing that’s all

 

[chocolatejr9]

If we get a Freddy costume I can finally make my Five Nights at ****boy’s memes

its time

to inhale

Also

2017年のきょう『ゼノブレイド2』発売!! pic.twitter.com/wO1uqzArTF

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 1, 2020

they finally showed the Rex costume in promotional material (POTD/trailers/the like). Game Over for him...?

I’d think so tbh

Is it bad that I know what FNAF fangame you're referencing?

What? Markiplier getting drunk was fun to watch.

I didn’t mention anything about Elma in my post but ok

I feel like the homages wouldn’t count against the characters they’re referencing tho

I think they were referring to your status as the Resident Elma Stan (Patent Pending).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

2B
Crash Bandicoot
Dante
Doom Slayer
Master Chief
Monokuma
Ryu Hayabusa

Anyone else that would feel like a VGA reveal?

 

[Perkilator]

2B
Crash Bandicoot
Dante
Doom Slayer
Master Chief
Monokuma
Ryu Hayabusa

Anyone else that would feel like a VGA reveal?

Sora

 

[Commander_Alph]

Wait ****... I rescind my "No Universe" and a few of my other comments on this situation. I caught the Dumb Brains™ and forgot to realize that all the characters added as the first rep in the series have been the playable one regardless of how boring or "sidelined" they are. I still think Monokuma has a slight advantage due to just how Iconic and Central to the plot he is but I should not have dismissed Makoto/Hajime/Kaede/Shuichi so quickly.

EDIT: My posts on this topic are now Certified posts

Glad you get the point, Naegi/Hajime/Saihara is still really important to the plot but have the disadvantage of hardly recognizable due to us playing them in first person but only in class trial and in cutscene, Monokuma tho is easily recognizable because he is literally the mascot but suffer from possessing the core gameplay of Danganronpa as with every Fighter Pass character have and just truly there as just a looming threat or just being a generic enemy in the spin-off.

Still Naegi will go first as our DR rep while Monokuma could actually be a costume like this

2B

Crash Bandicoot

Dante

Doom Slayer

Master Chief

Monokuma

Ryu Hayabusa



Anyone else that would feel like a VGA reveal?

Ratchet and Clank cause why not