Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RileyXY1]

I think that it would be pretty petty of TPC to refuse a DLC character just because Sakurai can't add more Poke Ball Pokemon.

 

[Souless_shadow]

【スピリッツイベント】
11/20(金)から3日間、「腕のみせどころ！ ノースリーブのスピリッツ」を開催！ スピリッツボードにノースリーブの服を着たキャラクターがたくさん出現します。バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにゴールドを獲得できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/Y3P1t3ef1t

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) November 18, 2020

****ING SLEEVELESS SPIRITS

How LEWD

 

[SNEKeater]

"The character must display personality in THEIR game"
This feels a bit weird to me. For example I don't think Samus displays a lot of personality in most of her games. Same goes for Link.

Ironically I'd say Byleth has more personality in Smash than in Three Houses.

 

[mariofan48]

I'd be down for some FNaF stuff, but Fortnite is such a controversial game that I'd rather have no content from it at all simply to not have to put up with any backlash from the Smash fanbase.

I'm not a fan of the game nor do I hate it. But if Steve caused gears to grind in enough people, hoo boy, I don't want to imagine how people would take to Fortnite stuff.

If it has to be in the game at all I'd obviously rather have it be a Mii Costume than to take a character slot from someone actually deserving, like Crash Bandicoot.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

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I love how every single one of the standards have been completely obliterated.

And half of these were obliterated before Brawl

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I love how every single one of the standards have been completely obliterated.

Not all of them. I mean, every character still does things.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

"The character must display personality in THEIR game"
This feels a bit weird to me. For example I don't think Samus displays a lot of personality in most of her games. Same goes for Link.

Ironically I'd say Byleth has more personality in Smash than in Three Houses.

If anything, I expected her to be a high-risk rushdown since Byleth is canonically a Leeroy Jenkins

 

[Will]

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I love how every single one of the standards have been completely obliterated.

Maybe using outdated information wasn't the best idea to try and prove his point. I mean there's still some foundation, but it need to be heavily revised.

 

[7NATOR]

The Rules dictated in there are still in Play though

-The Characters do Display Personality, even Blank slates like Steve and Byleth have some Expressions in Smash
-Every character has something they do
-They do take Development and Balance into Account. Why do you think we got Steve in FP2 and not earlier
-Distrbution among Franchises is Taken into Account

The Rules though aren't that Detail, and Is Held to alot of Interpretation. It's Very Open all things considered.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Not all of them. I mean, every character still does things.

One of our characters is a dog who does precisely one thing in his game of origin: laugh at you.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The Rules dictated in there are still in Play though

I guess the arguments would be that:

-The Characters do Display Personality, even Blank slates like Steve and Byleth have some Expressions in Smash

has like, 0 personality even though he has one in the source material.

-Every character has something they do

Echo Fighters typically don't do anything that their base fighter doesn't do. (this one interprets the rule the loosest)

-They do take Development and Balance into Account. Why do you think we got Steve in FP2 and not earlier

lol

-Distrbution among Franchises is Taken into Account

lol

Don't necessarily agree with most of these, but eh.

One of our characters is a dog who does precisely one thing in his game of origin: laugh at you.

He also picks up the ducks you shoot, and walks into the field at the start. That's 3 things!

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

"The character must display personality in THEIR game"
This feels a bit weird to me. For example I don't think Samus displays a lot of personality in most of her games. Same goes for Link.

Ironically I'd say Byleth has more personality in Smash than in Three Houses.

only in smash will you see this

 

[Will]

-The Characters do Display Personality, even Blank slates like Steve and Byleth have some Expressions in Smash

Despite the fact people were saying Steve wouldn't get in Smash because he was just an avatar with no personality.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Idk if we should be looking at what Sakurai said 10+ years ago as 100% relevant now, assuming he was also likely on the "Ridley's too big" mindset back then.

 

[Will]

Idk I'd we should be looking at what Sakurai said 10+ years ago as relevant now, assuming he was also probably on the "Ridley's too big" mindset back then

Sakurai's guidelines could hold true today, but that doesn't gatekeep characters. If anything, it shows that he invents whatever he feels is needed for the game onto the character(s), so any issue is nonexistent.

 

[BlondeLombax]

How LEWD

Here, in the event that you make the joke again in the future;

 

[KillerCage]

【スピリッツイベント】
11/20(金)から3日間、「腕のみせどころ！ ノースリーブのスピリッツ」を開催！ スピリッツボードにノースリーブの服を着たキャラクターがたくさん出現します。バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにゴールドを獲得できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/Y3P1t3ef1t

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) November 18, 2020

****ING SLEEVELESS SPIRITS
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Time to make a mess.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

"The character must display personality in THEIR game"
This feels a bit weird to me. For example I don't think Samus displays a lot of personality in most of her games. Same goes for Link.

Ironically I'd say Byleth has more personality in Smash than in Three Houses.

I...did not catch this wording. I thought they meant in Smash.

Yeah, the most personality Samus had shown before inclusion was a thumbs up with a smile as far as I know.

Despite the fact people were saying Steve wouldn't get in Smash because he was just an avatar with no personality.

And lo and behold, appropriating common mannerisms from Minecraft players gives him an extremely quirky personality. Honestly you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't display any personality. It's pretty much just...Mega Man and the Miis. Maybe the Pikmin captains...

 

[7NATOR]

Sakurai's guidelines could hold true today, but that doesn't gatekeep characters. If anything, it shows that he invents whatever he feels is needed for the game onto the character(s), so any issue is nonexistent.

Pretty Much this. Everything could be interpreted anyway because the Guidelines are not Specific and kinda Vague.

I will just say that take all those rules into account though, but I don't know if it automatically kills anyone chances

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Today’s POTD

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[Mushroomguy12]

Man, y’all too invested in these spirit events lol

I guess you could say some people are up in arms about it.

 

[Perkilator]

I guess you could say some people are up in arms about it.

(bottom text)

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Some of these events are just funny as ****. They're just running out of ideas, huh?

More like they pulled it right out of their sleeves.

 

[Perkilator]

More like they pulled it right out of their sleeves.

Really? I thought they pulled it from an area way below their sleeves. Like, waaaaay past the sleeve hole.

 

[AreJay25]

Sleeveless spirits?

If Rayman isn't in this event then I'm going to call bull****. Dude literally can't even wear sleeves, he should be included.

 

[Hinata]

Should Sakurai work on a 3rd fighters pass for Smash Ultimate after FP2 is finished?

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 17, 2020

Voting's pretty damn even right now, which I find interesting.

What do you guys think? Personally, I voted yes on the grounds that if Sakurai wants to do it, more power to him. He's the master of his own fate, if he wants to take a break, he will. If he doesn't, then he won't. Simple as that.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Should Sakurai work on a 3rd fighters pass for Smash Ultimate after FP2 is finished?

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 17, 2020

Voting's pretty damn even right now, which I find interesting.

What do you guys think? Personally, I voted yes on the grounds that if Sakurai wants to do it, more power to him. He's the master of his own fate, if he wants to take a break, he will. If he doesn't, then he won't. Simple as that.

I put yes earlier today.

I mean, look I won’t lie, I want this incredible game to go as far as it possibly can. If it spans the next 3 Generations and we have 150 characters then I’m ecstatic. I don’t care to say that. I get peoplethink Sakurai deserves a break and yes, he absolutely does. But the man is grown. He can take a vacation any time he chooses to. Whatever he wants to do is his choice and if that’s to not make FP3 and to not carry Ultimate even farther afterwards with a new director then I’m fine with that. But I would love a 3rd season.

 

[PacificFun]

"The character must display personality in THEIR game"
This feels a bit weird to me. For example I don't think Samus displays a lot of personality in most of her games. Same goes for Link.

Ironically I'd say Byleth has more personality in Smash than in Three Houses.

Most of the FE characters in Smash have more hyphy personalities. Just compare Smash Roy and Lucina to FE Roy and Lucina. Almost completely different characters (imo at least).

Should Sakurai work on a 3rd fighters pass for Smash Ultimate after FP2 is finished?

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 17, 2020

Voting's pretty damn even right now, which I find interesting.

What do you guys think? Personally, I voted yes on the grounds that if Sakurai wants to do it, more power to him. He's the master of his own fate, if he wants to take a break, he will. If he doesn't, then he won't. Simple as that.

I want someone else to take over so he can take a break from Smash.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

If I had twitter, I would vote to add 4 more fighters with no stages and spirit boards. Just the fighter and 1/2 songs. It can be from already established IPs like Dixie Kong or a new Pokémon (for example).

 

[Hinata]

I put yes earlier today.

I mean, look I won’t lie, I want this incredible game to go as far as it possibly can. If it spans the next 3 Generations and we have 150 characters then I’m ecstatic. I don’t care to say that. I get peoplethink Sakurai deserves a break and yes, he absolutely does. But the man is grown. He can take a vacation any time he chooses to. Whatever he wants to do is his choice and if that’s to not make FP3 and to not carry Ultimate even farther afterwards with a new director then I’m fine with that. But I would love a 3rd season.

I agree, Sakurai can take a break whenever he wants to, it's not like he's still working on this game because Nintendo is forcing him to. This game is his passion project, and he would not have taken it this far if he didn't enjoy the grind. I do think that Sakurai deserves a break soon because of how long and how hard he's been working, but his continued efforts are a choice he's made.

He's already gone on record saying that he wants to ride this train as far as he can, and I'm right there with him. If he wants to make a third Fighter's Pass, you can bet your ass I'm gonna be there buyin' it day 1.

 

[andree123]

Should Sakurai work on a 3rd fighters pass for Smash Ultimate after FP2 is finished?

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 17, 2020

Voting's pretty damn even right now, which I find interesting.

What do you guys think? Personally, I voted yes on the grounds that if Sakurai wants to do it, more power to him. He's the master of his own fate, if he wants to take a break, he will. If he doesn't, then he won't. Simple as that.

I would love to have Sakurai announce a smash ballot 2 or a spirit-to-fighter ballot for the fighters pass 3 so that way Sakurai can take a break and after that, he will close the ballot to start working on the fighters pass 3 with the selection of characters from the smash ballot 2/spirit-to-fighter ballot.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Should Sakurai work on a 3rd fighters pass for Smash Ultimate after FP2 is finished?

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 17, 2020

Voting's pretty damn even right now, which I find interesting.

What do you guys think? Personally, I voted yes on the grounds that if Sakurai wants to do it, more power to him. He's the master of his own fate, if he wants to take a break, he will. If he doesn't, then he won't. Simple as that.

I voted no because he needs a break. And if he isn't going to take one, I'd still rather see another project by him. I get that he's Mr. Smash, but this dude made Kid Icarus: Uprising out of nowhere. I want to see what wild new ideas he came up with after spending 8 years on non-stop Smash development.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Most of the FE characters in Smash have more hyphy personalities. Just compare Smash Roy and Lucina to FE Roy and Lucina. Almost completely different characters (imo at least).

I think Lucina's pretty much the same actually. It's just that in battle Lucina and support convo Lucina are two very different people.

Shulk has a similar problem, though he does have it a bit worse, as quotes like "We're not invincible. Monado Enchant!" were dropped due to gameplay reasons so he's not as grounded in Super Smash Bros. as he is in Xenoblade Chronicles.

You know what would have been an amazing detail? If Shulk actually yelled back at Metal Face if both were present on Gaur Plain.

 

[Will]

Pretty Much this. Everything could be interpreted anyway because the Guidelines are not Specific and kinda Vague.

I will just say that take all those rules into account though, but I don't know if it automatically kills anyone chances

I mean, ****, remember what they did for ? They made him a tragic villain in his debut storyline.

And look at him now.

You can almost forget the fact that he's canonically a war criminal.

 

[PLANTMAN]

I don't know what goes through TPC's head or anything. This is just idea I came up with for why Pokemon Gen 8 Might not show up

it reminds me of the one Disney rumor for why Sora couldn't be in Smash, because Disney wanted Sora and Mickey as a package deal, and Nintendo wasn't willing to go for that. Of course this would be different because TPC and Disney are different companies and have different Paygrades for their characters (Since I believe TPC owns 30% of the I.P), But I'm just Speculating

When giving Free promotion, you don't just want the chaacter, you also want the whole game. The Pokemon are important to Pokemon, it's why we got Pokeballs. TPC could have said you need to add Pokeball;s but Nintendo and Sakurai aren't looking to make more of those anytime soon, now whether TPC goes without them or just cuts the deal is all in what happens the follow months

I can argue about why gen 8 is not that likley all day but saying this against its chances is absurd

This Dosent make any sense

 

[Will]

Should Sakurai work on a 3rd fighters pass for Smash Ultimate after FP2 is finished?

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 17, 2020

Voting's pretty damn even right now, which I find interesting.

What do you guys think? Personally, I voted yes on the grounds that if Sakurai wants to do it, more power to him. He's the master of his own fate, if he wants to take a break, he will. If he doesn't, then he won't. Simple as that.

I said yes, but only on the condition that he's totally okay with continuing out of his own volition.

 

[ZelDan]

I feel very mixed about a third fighter's pass TBH.

getting more content and characters would be cool and all, but I'd be lying if I said the Ultimate speculation or just waiting for Ultimate DLC content hasn't already been quite the slog and really felt dragged on by this point. There's a part of me that would be happy to just be finally done with it and to finally just move on from Ultimate.

For me a really nice compromise would be if the only other thing we got past FP2 was a smaller, quicker echo pass of 4 echo characters, to use up those last 4 dummy slots in the data. We'd get more content and perhaps some cool/demanded character additions, and we likely wouldn't have to wait anywhere near as long to see them all revealed.

 

[DarthEnderX]

****ING SLEEVELESS SPIRITS

waki intensifies

 

[PacificFun]

Bro, screw a third fighter pass. Fix the godamn online.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

More characters is cool but a third pass means paying more for all DLC than for a copy of the game and I'm not sure that's something I'm ok with