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Say, have they even announced the nominees yet? Because they only have about a month left to do so.
The Game Awards have not released nominations, though this did cause me to go signup for updates (and to learn that its not the video game awards, its just The Game Awards. In which case they (should) have categories for other types of games, such as board games and card games.

Not sure what I'd expect from a 3rd pass. To be honest I...I kinda don't want one. No idea why either.

I'll roll with it if we get one, but it's not something I'm actively hoping for, which is kinda weird considering my usual "more is more" train of thought.

EDIT: I guess that's the thing with being satisfied with what the game has. It's hard to be disappointed sure, but its also hard to get excited...ooor I'm just emotionally drained.
You are now my sworn enemy. #FightersPass6
 

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yes, but that's a very big if considering they've gone on record to say that it's not worth the effort of porting over.
They only said it would be difficult, and that was two years ago

plus why port when you can rebuild from the ground up like with XCDE
 

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They only said it would be difficult, and that was two years ago

plus why port when you can rebuild from the ground up like with XCDE
And their circumstances regarding XCX haven't changed in 2 years. It's still a difficult game to port over regardless.

Remaking it "from the ground up" is an even more unfeasible idea when apparently a simple port is too expensive.
 

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I want to play as my mw(s). If I can't, I might as well play better games (Melee and PM; a modded Ultimate could be good enough too).
That's the thing though. If you don't like the game, I don't see how a single character would make you like it.

Perhaps I'm just underestimating the power of character association.

It's pretty straightforward. You're not going to touch a thing if the thing you want isn't in it. Like say hypothetically you like butter pecan ice cream but you don't like the butter pecan ice cream that has the trunks of pecan in it. If someone gave you some ice cream that had the chunks of pecan in it you most likely wouldn't bother eating the ice cream at all
That...doesn't make sense. If you don't like the chunks, then adding a cherry on top isn't going to remove the chunks. You'd still be better off eating the ice cream without chunks.

I guess my thinking is, if you're only interested in 1.2% of the game then it's not really a worthwhile purchase. Then again, there do seem to be quite a few people who have tons of fun only playing a single character or team so I guess it's really just a matter of how you interact with a fighting game.
 

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I didnt get Anyone I wanted yet
Maybe you don't want the correct things? It's a bit difficult for me to wrap my brain around what I just said, but then again, if your wanted character is only Clippy from Microsoft Word, it's difficult to say 'everyone should get something they want.'

The 'everyone is back' should at least offer all Smash fans something of worth, assuming the series was beloved and played prior.
 
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So do you believe Rex would be favored compared to anyone else on the Nintendo's menu? Over the shiny new Pokemon? And that goes for like, y'know, the third parties and all as well on top of that.
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I don't know...maybe? Look man I just want Rex and I like many others don't think he's out of the running just yet but that's just me
 

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I still plan on not buying the game unless one of my most wanted characters gets added as a fighter, or the modding scene gets pretty big.
You've spent time on a forum for 10 years on a game you didn't buy?

(Your signature says your wishlist, which is really short and mostly obscure, includes Byleth- a character that wasn't all that popular, yet made it in. What are you waiting for?)
 
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Guess TGAs are current mood for today as we're a month away til Geoff Keighley unveils some ****. Considering 6 games are eligible for GOTY, what games do most of you guys think will be nominated?

Ima say the nominees are AC: Valhalla, DOOM Eternal, FF7 Remake, Hades, Half Life: Alyx, and TLoU pt. 2, and all those games will lose to the true Game of the Year Deadly Premonition 2.
 

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So far in ultimate, I only got Erdrick, but my other most wanted were done dirty, Springman was Chrom'd and Travis was Mii Costumed. I'm worried for Rex's fate with my current misfortune
How was Spring Man done dirty? Min Min is the most popular character of the series- which is likely to become the mascot, considering she was popular with fans from her reveal for ARMS, won the popularity poll (and thusly, the actual ARMS tournament, in cannon), and is the producers pick.

In contrast. Spring Man, the 'not protagonist,' is on the cover of the first game. To visually explain it to buyers.
This is simple marketing. That's it. Proven by Sakurai using a Spring to explain the concept of the game.

Spring Man is not important. What more do people want for this to be shown as accurate? It was stated.
 

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So do you believe Rex would be favored compared to anyone else on the Nintendo's menu? Over the shiny new Pokemon? And that goes for like, y'know, the third parties and all as well on top of that.
So do you believe Min Min would be favored compared to anyone else on the Nintendo's menu? Over the shiny new Pokemon? Over Spring Man? And that goes for like, y'know, the third parties and all as well on top of that.
 

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Do you think Nintendo would choose to take him? This isn't a cynical rhetorical question, try to convince me, because I believe he's been off the table since that reveal. You can use Min-Min as an example, but that doesn't quite convince me Nintendo sees reason in promoting XC2. Though then again, promoting ARMS after Nintendo neglected its existence is pretty funny.
How did Nintendo neglect ARMS?
It was supported with free online content for a year, it was given a hype train ride during its release to promote the characters, it got a character in the top selling video game of all time. What about this is neglectful?
 

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How was Spring Man done dirty?
Because as the mascot and beginner character, he should have been the first pick.

EDIT: Not to mention that he got punked in the reveal trailer, which is kind of a jerk move for any character.

Spring Man is not important.
This is blatantly false.
 
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It's pretty straightforward. You're not going to touch a thing if the thing you want isn't in it. Like say hypothetically you like butter pecan ice cream but you don't like the butter pecan ice cream that has the trunks of pecan in it. If someone gave you some ice cream that had the chunks of pecan in it you most likely wouldn't bother eating the ice cream at all
No... that's not a fair comparison.
It's more along the lines of, "I only want one of five flavors of ice cream- churro, captain crunch, sriracha, lemon-blueberry, and walnut-cinnamon-honey. If I don't get any of that, then I don't want any of the 80 flavors. But I will still go to the ice cream store."

...and then, still, we get Sriracha (Byleth), and it isn't good enough.
 

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She did end up getting in, but not due to a popularity poll like say Fire Emblem Heroes: Choose Your Legends.
I didn't say she got in because she won the popularity poll. I said, in adddition to being the producers pick, she also won the popular pick, and the tournament in canon.
Because as the mascot and beginner character, he should have been the first pick.

EDIT: Not to mention that he got punked in the reveal trailer, which is kind of a jerk move for any character.


This is blatantly false.
I'm not having this argument again. The producer comes forward to say 'all characters are equal' and the fanbase still ignores it. Nothing else to discuss

Guess TGAs are current mood for today as we're a month away til Geoff Keighley unveils some ****. Considering 6 games are eligible for GOTY, what games do most of you guys think will be nominated?

Ima say the nominees are AC: Valhalla, DOOM Eternal, FF7 Remake, Hades, Half Life: Alyx, and TLoU pt. 2, and all those games will lose to the true Game of the Year Deadly Premonition 2.
Animal Crossing will absolutely be nominated.

Well, this thread does have its appeals beyond what the game itself can offer. I'm here way more than I'm playing the game anyway.
Yeah- but the user I quoted only has about 5 mw(s), and one of them even made it in.
 
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I don't know...maybe? Look man I just want Rex and I like many others don't think he's out of the running just yet but that's just me
It's not like there was a correct answer I was expecting to hear lmao I get it, I'm just asking **** that I would ask myself given the circumstance.
 

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I didn't say she got in because she won the popularity poll. I said, in adddition to being the producers pick, she also won the popular pick, and the tournament in canon.
But you said there was a popularity poll.

There wasn't.

I'm correcting it. I don't doubt she's popular, but I don't think a splatfest-esque event is how I'd verify that.

And like, most of the notable members of the King of Fighters series. lol

EDIT: And also Nakoruru.
And aaaaaaaall the assist trophies.
 
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She's in XIV.

Because ARMS itself doesn't act like it.
ARMs itself doesn't prioritize any character. At best, you could say Springtron.
Liu Kang isn't the fighter that first comes to mind when 'Mortal Kombat' is screamed. And that even had two movies that featured him.

I'm not going to derail this thread again with Min Min, because I've said this since the reveal of Smash Ultimate that she is clearly the marketing character. And that turned out not just to be correct, but was actually stated by Sakurai and the producer. So, if anyone wants to debate this, I'm happy to discuss marketing further via PM.
 

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I'm adamant Spring Man's gonna stay the ARMS mascot, even with Min Min's smash inclusion. They're still pushing him as such. There's a reason he still had a major role in the trailer on top of being front and center in her final smash.

Basic as he may be, the dude represents the core and fundamentals of ARMS pretty well. He's a boxer in a game with a heavy emphasis on punching. Compare that to the more out there Min Min with her karate kicks and fairly out there default ARMS

At most, Min Min may become a Chun Li-esque third wheel to Spring Man's Ryu and Ribbon Girl's Ken, but even that's not really guaranteed atm.
 
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New topic: What are the third party companies you most want to see represented in Smash?


For me, a new company is one of the most fun aspects of the game. Something about the giants of the industry coming together really means a lot to me, considering gaming is how I learned how to interact with people (not just video games, but that especially).

For me, I think Ubisoft and Activision are the two companies I would most like to see (not due to characters themselves, but just as a series. Though of course, I want both Spyro and Crash, as well as Rayman and even Ezio).
 
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New topic: What are the third party companies you most want to see represented in Smash?


For me, a new company is one of the most fun aspects of the game. Something about the giants of the industry coming together really means a lot to me, considering gaming is how I learned how to interact with people (not just video games, but that especially).

For me, I think Ubisoft and Activision are the two companies I would most like to see (not due to characters themselves, but just as a series. Though of course, I want both Spyro and Crash, as well as Rayman and even Ezio).
Disney (Sora) and Activision (Crash)
 

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I'm adamant Spring Man's gonna stay the ARMS mascot, even with Min Min's smash inclusion. They're still pushing him as such. There's a reason he still had a major role in the trailer on top of being front and center in her final smash

If anything, Min Min may become a Chun Li-esque third wheel to Spring Man's Ryu and Ribbon Girl's Ken, but even that's not really guaranteed atm.
Agreed. Generally, you're going to go for the guy/girl on the boxart first, so Boxart Person has to be easy to understand for the game's standards and express the mechanics well. It's why Samurai Shodown still has Haohmaru as the main character, even though Nakoruru is more popular and has more appearances outside the series.
 

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I'm not having this argument again. The producer comes forward to say 'all characters are equal' and the fanbase still ignores it. Nothing else to discuss
They are very clearly not. They may all be the protagonists of Arcade Mode, but that's not really much different from the main mode so it doesn't really mean much, and some characters are much more important to either the game or the lore.

Yeah- but the user I quoted only has about 5 mw(s), and one of them even made it in.
Well, I don't personally understand his train of thought on that front, but I can understand finding speculation more fun than the actual game. I don't personally think anyone's reason for being here has to correlate directly to their opinion on the game.

She's in XIV.
I know, I just don't think that makes her a King of Fighters character. She's still a Samurai Showdown character in my eyes.
 

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I'm adamant Spring Man's gonna stay the ARMS mascot, even with Min Min's smash inclusion. They're still pushing him as such. There's a reason he still had a major role in the trailer on top of being front and center in her final smash

At most, Min Min may become a Chun Li-esque third wheel to Spring Man's Ryu and Ribbon Girl's Ken, but even that's not really guaranteed atm.
That or Min Min becomes the Morrigan of ARMS taking Spring Man's place for the same reason Morrigan replaced Demitri.
 

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New topic: What are the third party companies you most want to see represented in Smash?


For me, a new company is one of the most fun aspects of the game. Something about the giants of the industry coming together really means a lot to me, considering gaming is how I learned how to interact with people (not just video games, but that especially).

For me, I think Ubisoft and Activision are the two companies I would most like to see (not due to characters themselves, but just as a series. Though of course, I want both Spyro and Crash, as well as Rayman and even Ezio).
Spike Chunsoft, even if it's just like a Monokuma Mii or AI: The Somnium Files Spirits or something
 

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New topic: What are the third party companies you most want to see represented in Smash?


For me, a new company is one of the most fun aspects of the game. Something about the giants of the industry coming together really means a lot to me, considering gaming is how I learned how to interact with people (not just video games, but that especially).

For me, I think Ubisoft and Activision are the two companies I would most like to see (not due to characters themselves, but just as a series. Though of course, I want both Spyro and Crash, as well as Rayman and even Ezio).
Falcom and Type-Moon

If I had to choose a specific character from each then it would be:
Estelle for Falcom
Saber for Type-Moon

But I'd accept any content really (although I'd really like it if the Falcom content came with music whatever it could potentially be)
 
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Because ARMS itself doesn't act like it.
Yes, it does. There's no story to it other than its characters competition in a fighting tournament and really no story or in-depth to it, not unless you count that upcoming ARMS comic that focuses on Spring Man but that was probably canceled or currently in development hell.
Did you read any of what I posted?
Yes but Smash tends to have a habit of making franchises or characters more popular especially when given a playable status.

Captain Falcon, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus all come to mind. The fact Min Min got chosen, this likely will increase her popularity leading to said Morrigan position.
 
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Yes but Smash tends to have a habit of making franchises or characters more popular especially when given a playable status.

Captain Falcon, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus all come to mind. The fact Min Min got chosen, this likely will increase her popularity leading to said Morrigan position.
Her point was that, first of all, Spring Man is still being treated as the mascot, with him being front and center for all of Min Min's cinematic, and even having his stage be the stage she came with even though she has her own. There's also that, as a sole mascot, Min Min freakin' sucks. While Spring Man, and to a slightly lesser extent, Ribbon Girl's abilities are there to help teach you the basics of the game, Min Min's got an entirely separate mechanic, and a lot more options to deal with. She's not simple enough to teach players the game.

Morrigan on the other hand, was always a beginner character alongside Demitri, which is probably what allowed her to become the mascot in the first place. In an alternate timeline where Anakaris became the most popular, I don't think he would have been turned into the mascot due to his much higher learning curve.
 

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Her point was that, first of all, Spring Man is still being treated as the mascot, with him being front and center for all of Min Min's cinematic, and even having his stage be the stage she came with even though she has her own. There's also that, as a sole mascot, Min Min freakin' sucks. While Spring Man, and to a slightly lesser extent, Ribbon Girl's abilities are there to help teach you the basics of the game, Min Min's got an entirely separate mechanic, and a lot more options to deal with. She's not simple enough to teach players the game.

Morrigan on the other hand, was always a beginner character alongside Demitri, which is probably what allowed her to become the mascot in the first place. In an alternate timeline where Anakaris became the most popular, I don't think he would have been turned into the mascot due to his much higher learning curve.
Smashing Ramen is actually a guy.

Also saying Min Min sucks is an opinion not fact. Don't treat it as such as there's plenty of folks including Rie, Smashing Ramen, and I who like her.
 
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