Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[CapitaineCrash]

Well here's a hypothetical question to break up the monotony a little bit.

For Sony owned/exclusive characters, which fighter would bring the most interesting moveset, stage, music, or spirits? And which would be the most novel in terms of impact on the public?

-Best moveset: Ratchet & Clank. They have a lot of weapons to make a moveset. Kratos could also be super fun, but I think that Ratchet have way more weapons than him. Also Sackboy could do a lot of stuff if they use the create mode stuff in some way.

-Stage: There's so many possibilities here. Again, God of war would be extremely cool with some giant Gods in the background fighting. Littlebigplanet could make a good stage with the handcraft artstyle of the series. Other Sony games that could make amazing stages would be Shadow of the colossus (either fight on a Colossus, or fight in the area with Colossus interacting) or Modnation racers (would be a bit similar to Figure 8 circuit but with some creation elements like Mario maker stages).

-Music: Once again, God of war is my number 1 pick. Littlebigplanet have an amazing soundtrack, but a lot of the track is licenced stuff. Shadow of the colossus is also amazing, but with only 1 game to pick music from (while God of war have 7 games) there's a bit less possibility overall. Honorable mentions: Wipeout, Twisted metal, Sly Cooper, Locoroco, Patapon, Horizon zero dawn.

-Spirits: Probably again God of war or Ratchet & Clank since thay are the franchises that have the most games, they have a lot of ennemies and bosses to pull from.

-Impact on the public: I'd say any Playstation character would be huge, but Kratos is, I think, the most popular and most recognizable so I think the Internet would explode again if he's in. Nathan Drake and Ratchet & Clank are also very popular. Sackboy was kind of Sony mascot for some time, but his popularity drop down after the ps3 era. Aloy is also very popular from what I saw but I'm less familiar with that game.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

no mention of Ape Escape music yall? smh

that game's ost deadass got me into dnb/jungle at the age of 9 AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE GENRES WERE CALLED.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

We could get a Sora Mii Costume if we Got Mickey Mouse as a Playable Character...

If Disney is supposedly hard to negotiate with regarding Sora, I dread to think how strict they are with their golden boy lol.

 

[KillerCage]

Pop quiz: what do Ragna the Bloodedge and Luigi have in common?

Is this a poor excuse to talk more Blazblue?



Yes.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Pop quiz: what do Ragna the Bloodedge and Luigi have in common?

Is this a poor excuse to talk more Blazblue?



Yes.

They're both pretty awesome?

Look, I wanna talk about Blazblue too...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

When I said that I meant by very popular picks that people think are likely to become fighters that were yet to be mii’d

I should have explained it better

They're still not in any sort of similar positions.

Heck Sora's likelihood is highly debatable, and there are a good number of people who think his being owned by Disney makes him outright impossible, Mii Costume or no.

It sounds like Sora's rights issues are like Final Fantasy's on steroids. Instead of someone different owning each different thing, it's a bunch of different people and major companies owning the same stuff, and each one will likely need a cut, and mind you, we're using the budget that was used to get Minecraft. I think the notion that it's more likely for Sora to be playable than a Mii Costume is a fair assessment.

Don't mistake incorrect guesses for a purposely contradictory outcome.

Pop quiz: what do Ragna the Bloodedge and Luigi have in common?

They both have green in their color pallet.
EDIT: And white, but that's kind of a given for human characters that also have eyes.

 

[SharkLord]

Well here's a hypothetical question to break up the monotony a little bit.

For Sony owned/exclusive characters, which fighter would bring the most interesting moveset, stage, music, or spirits? And which would be the most novel in terms of impact on the public?

The only Sony series that really interests me at the moment is Gravity Rush.

 

[chocolatejr9]

The only Sony series that really interests me at the moment is Gravity Rush.

This guy gets it.

 

[PLANTMAN]

They're still not in any sort of similar positions.

Heck Sora's likelihood is highly debatable, and there are a good number of people who think his being owned by Disney makes him outright impossible, Mii Costume or no.

It sounds like Sora's rights issues are like Final Fantasy's on steroids. Instead of someone different owning each different thing, it's a bunch of different people and major companies owning the same stuff, and each one will likely need a cut, and mind you, we're using the budget that was used to get Minecraft. I think the notion that it's more likely for Sora to be playable than a Mii Costume is a fair assessment.

Don't mistake incorrect guesses for a purposely contradictory outcome.


They both have green in their color pallet.
EDIT: And white, but that's kind of a given for human characters that also have eyes.

Fine but the possibility of mii is still there just saying

 

[7NATOR]

You know, Among Sony Franchises, Why is Gravity Rush the more common Sony Request, even comparing to the likes of Kratos in requests of Sony Characters

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You know, Among Sony Franchises, Why is Gravity Rush the more common Sony Request, even comparing to the likes of Kratos in requests of Sony Characters

Most likely the unique and interesting moveset she could bring. Plus Gravity Rush has quite the following and much more popular than one might realize.

 

[Dinoman96]

You know, Among Sony Franchises, Why is Gravity Rush the more common Sony Request, even comparing to the likes of Kratos in requests of Sony Characters

People think Kat is cute, prolly

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That she is. Definitely waifu material.

 

[Cosmic77]

Steve was probably the "biggest" third-party in this pass. We might get one more big name, but it wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the DLC was first-parties or third-parties from smaller, less popular franchises.

In other words, I wouldn't expect Sora, Crash, and a MH character to all share a pass with Steve. That's probably WAY over Nintendo's budget.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Steve was probably the "biggest" third-party in this pass. We might get one more big name, but it wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the DLC was first-parties or third-parties from smaller, less popular franchises.

In other words, I wouldn't expect Sora, Crash, and a MH character to all share a pass with Steve. That's probably WAY over Nintendo's budget.

As someone who wants Crash, I must agree feeling people have been overrating his chances alongside Dante, I'd even go on to say someone like Ryu Hayabusa has a better chance of making it in than he does.

This hype for Crash really only started after the N. Sane Trilogy released, kind of late for requests to kick into his inclusion.

 

[latsmash]

As someone who wants Crash, I must agree feeling people have been overrating his chances alongside Dante, I'd even go on to say someone like Ryu Hayabusa has a better chance of making it in than he does.

This hype for Crash really only started after the N. Sane Trilogy released, kind of late for requests to kick into his inclusion.

Do we know how much money the deal for Hero and Banjo costed? I'd imagine the latter wouldn't have been too expensive, and with what I'd imagine a decent portion of the money generated from FP1's income going into FP2, a character like Crash, MH, or especially Ryu is in my eyes absolutely possible.

Sora, Kratos or Chief on the other hand... while bigger than Steve, I don't think the Nintendo would get much in return for all the cash they'd pay for said characters.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Steve was probably the "biggest" third-party in this pass. We might get one more big name, but it wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the DLC was first-parties or third-parties from smaller, less popular franchises.

In other words, I wouldn't expect Sora, Crash, and a MH character to all share a pass with Steve. That's probably WAY over Nintendo's budget.

I think Monster Hunter and Crash Bandicoot are still viable candidates with this in mind, since Capcom loves them some crossovers (on top of the good cross promotion they'd receive), and while Crash does have a large legacy, it's current standing is more along the lines of Persona; decently large, but not really an industry juggernaut.

Sora is the most effected by this.

 

[Dinoman96]

Sora, Kratos or Chief on the other hand... while bigger than Steve, I don't think the Nintendo would get much in return for all the cash they'd pay for said characters.

I mean...none of those characters are bigger than Steve, lol.

Minecraft is literally the most successful game ever.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Do we know how much money the deal for Hero and Banjo costed? I'd imagine the latter wouldn't have been too expensive, and with what I'd imagine a decent portion of the money generated from FP1's income going into FP2, a character like Crash, MH, or especially Ryu is in my eyes absolutely possible.

Sora, Kratos or Chief on the other hand... while bigger than Steve, I don't think the Nintendo would get much in return for all the cash they'd pay for said characters.

Ryu Hayabusa is actually one of those characters I'm certain is getting in given Vergeben's involvement regarding those leaks.

 

[Dinoman96]

Also I find it weird people keep saying that that the support for Crash came too late when Sakurai literally said that Sans was a popular request, and Undertale didn't come out until the very tail-end of the ballot's lifespan, so clearly they weren't looking at the ballot.

Nintendo could always use social media to see that Crash is a popular character that people would like to see in Smash Bros.

 

[Ridrool64]

Bear in mind that we do have at least another E3 (intended) reveal on the way, especially if you believe Steve was intended for E3 2020 and only-to-mostly wasn't there because 2020 being 2020 both cancelled the event and slowed down his development to the extent he wasn't presentable for all of summer.

My stance on these big characters (Crash, Sora, Monster Hunter, Master Chief, Kratos, etc.) is: if we're past #79 and they aren't in yet, they're not happening this pass [and, for the foreseeable future, this game]. For third parties at all and any first party that people would overwhelmingly like (Waluigi, Rex, Bandana Waddle Dee, etc.), the cutoff is #80. My prediction is that #81 is bound to be a first party, not very popular (for the fandom, at least) character. I've been mostly eyeing Pokémon for this reason, but there are other candidates.

 

[cashregister9]

Steve was probably the "biggest" third-party in this pass. We might get one more big name, but it wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the DLC was first-parties or third-parties from smaller, less popular franchises.

In other words, I wouldn't expect Sora, Crash, and a MH character to all share a pass with Steve. That's probably WAY over Nintendo's budget.

We have no clue what the budget is, I think Steve actually solidified that the Budget is higher than what we've been speculating about BUT I still fully expect a few more 'cheaper' characters.

Ryu Hayabusa is actually one of those characters I'm certain is getting in given Vergeben's involvement regarding those leaks.

Yeah sort of like how Travis is certainly getting in based off of Suda51's comments

 

[7NATOR]

Honestly Steve is great because he Appeals to All audiences

So I think there could be more Leeway with whoever the Next 4 Characters are. Of course they have to sell on their own. Min-Min sold Well and she's isn't the biggest character around, though she at least appeal to Nintendo Fans I guess

Also I would just like to Say, if they wanted to hypothetically add in a Unique secondary character from a 3rd Party, Now would be the best time, or we probably have to wait till Smash 6 DLC

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yeah sort of like how Travis is certainly getting in based off of Suda51's comments

Ryu Hayabusa is a bigger name and has more legacy than Travis does.

Also he has Vergeben's backing.

 

[KillerCage]

They're both pretty awesome?

Look, I wanna talk about Blazblue too...

They both have green in their color pallet.
EDIT: And white, but that's kind of a given for human characters that also have eyes.

They are both terrified of ghosts and ironicly have to face said ghosts.

 

[latsmash]

I mean...none of those characters are bigger than Steve, lol.

Minecraft is literally the most successful game ever.

Amazing, every word of which you just said is wrong. The most successful video game is Grand Theft Auto V, Halo 2 once held the record for highest grossing piece of media in 24 hours (Not to mention carrying Xbox since 2001), God of War is one of if not Sony's primary console sellers at the moment, and has sold nearly 40 million copes worldwide. Minecraft is impressive, but not that impressive.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly Steve is great because he Appeals to All audiences

Well judging by our reactions, that's not really the case. lol

 

[Dinoman96]

Amazing, every word of which you just said is wrong. The most successful video game is Grand Theft Auto V, Halo 2 once held the record for highest grossing piece of media in 24 hours (Not to mention carrying Xbox since 2001), God of War is one of if not Sony's primary console sellers at the moment, and has sold nearly 40 million copes worldwide. Minecraft is impressive, but not that impressive.

No, every word you just said is wrong.

List of best-selling video games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Minecraft has sold 200 million, it's literally the best selling game of all time. Sakurai even said this in Steve's reveal trailer.

 

[SNEKeater]

You know, Among Sony Franchises, Why is Gravity Rush the more common Sony Request, even comparing to the likes of Kratos in requests of Sony Characters

Probably because is one of their series that appeals more to the Nintendo audience. Not the #1 in that regard tho, that's for sure.
And well, we don't know if she's the more common Sony request. Sony characters to begin with aren't really discussed for obvious reasons, so it's hard to determine (though I remember Kratos placing quite high in that Source Gaming Poll, I think Kat appeared on the list as well).

I don't think it's because moveset potential. Or at least I don't think that's the main reason because I believe other options have more room for interesting things. Kat would be pretty much able to manipulate gravity, which is already a big appeal hey, but when it comes to overall package I think Ratchet and Kratos have a lot more going for them in that regard.

Most likely the unique and interesting moveset she could bring. Plus Gravity Rush has quite the following and much more popular than one might realize.

Not really, I think. The series has a decent following, that's for sure, but I personally feel it's more a case of fans being very devoted more than the series having a lot of fans. And I'm saying this as a fan of the franchise.

 

[cashregister9]

Also he has Vergeben's backing.

-Vergeben said there was going to be an Enderdragon boss fight, I sure remember fighting that /s
-I know Rathalos was End Dragon in the files but If Verge had access to the files then we would have known way more
-We don't know if the dev team or marketing team knew anything about Steve before the base games launch and we don't know how long Steve was in his current incarnation
-Koei worked on Three Houses so it could have been a misinterpretation of that

Leakers are not infallible or gospel, Take everything they say with a grain of salt.

 

[RileyXY1]

Amazing, every word of which you just said is wrong. The most successful video game is Grand Theft Auto V, Halo 2 once held the record for highest grossing piece of media in 24 hours (Not to mention carrying Xbox since 2001), God of War is one of if not Sony's primary console sellers at the moment, and has sold nearly 40 million copes worldwide. Minecraft is impressive, but not that impressive.

Minecraft is the first and so far only game to hit 200,000,000 copies sold.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

No, every word you just said is wrong.

List of best-selling video games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Minecraft has sold 200 million, it's literally the best selling game of all time. Sakurai even said this in Steve's reveal trailer.

Well he said media within 24 hours and you brought up the sales as a game over its lifespan. You could both be right there.

 

[SNEKeater]

Also, Poyo Wave

pic.twitter.com/T9VbSrEjrE

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 9, 2020

A nice meme

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Regarding Kat as well.

She feels like a Sakurai pick as Joker, and Terry was and potentially 2B. I recall he played Gravity Rush right?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Also, Poyo Wave

pic.twitter.com/T9VbSrEjrE

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 9, 2020

A nice meme

Terry Kirb... so cuuuuuuuuuute

 

[latsmash]

Minecraft has been a 20$ video game throughout its entire lifespan, GTA V was around full price for a little over half its life cycle, including shark cards and whatever else its selling, that is about 6 billion dollars in profit. Sales do not beat out the actual revenue a game made. You're actually incorrect, unless "success" means how much a game sold to you.

Even funnier is that the argument wasn't even what characters were more popular than Steve, simply franchises that would cost Nintendo a pretty penny, lmao.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Watch we don't get Crash, Master Chief, Sora or such as the next and last big name but instead Trevor Phillips from GTA.

 

[SNEKeater]

Regarding Kat as well.

She feels like a Sakurai pick as Joker, and Terry was and potentially 2B. I recall he played Gravity Rush right?

I think so. I remember reading him having played Gravity Rush.

But I mean... I also remember him saying he played like 240? PS4 games during 2019, which is an absurd amount of games. He owns Bloodborne for example, we know that thanks to the few photos he shared of his collection.

 

[latsmash]

Trevor is kinda popular, for some reason the GTA franchise is popular with really young kids. From what I've seen, Trevor and Franklin are heavily in the thumbnails too.

 

[7NATOR]

Watch we don't get Crash, Master Chief, Sora or such as the next and last big name but instead Trevor Phillips from GTA.

If It's Just Trevor, My Friend will be Very salty, since a GTA Character is the Perfect Opportunity to have a Black Character. Plus I think GTA would work better if all the Protags were Alts