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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Pinguino21v

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I want to pose the question: If making the Smash Roster an even 100, your “perfect” roster, who would need to be there?
Nobody else than Isaac. K. Rool got in. Ridley got in. Even Banjo got in. And we are still waiting... It's been too long, it's a pain. I only ask for him and you all can have your Geno, Crash and Dante I have no interest in to finish the pass, I don't care.
 

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To me, a Game Awards character reveal screams either a popular third party or at least, a third party that has appeared in the Awards in previous years, or basically Waluigi when it comes to first parties.

Now, I'll casually post this video... :smirk:
You know, considering how much Development Dante would have With all the Weapons he has, Styles, The Range, Devil Trigger, Combos, etc. that's not only alot of Animating, but that's also alot of Balancing you got to do. If Dante was next, I do wonder if we'd get gameplay of him. Of course if they didn't take a break when developing the characters, his Development should have started in Janurary - Feburary around when Byleth released, so he'd have a whole year to him to get him to work

TGA's would be Perfect for Dante

Speaking of Dante though, because Ryu and Dante have that Vibe going on, I'm kinda curious about what's going on here. I do think it's weird that Ryu has been absent this entire time. I don't know how long it takes for Assists to be decided on, but I believe they do their whole project plan in 2016, so Development goes much Smoother, so they'd have to have talked to Koei years before 2018 for the Fatal Frame Assist

I wonder what happened with Ryu that he's been absent this entire time. Steve had an excuse with his Moveset being ridicouls to add at the time, but I don't know if Ryu would have that much trouble implementing the Moveset. I don't want to say that Negotations failed with Ryu for whatever reason, but It is curious, and I do wonder if Dante might have something to do with it as well. Considering the Beef Koei and Capcom have, and that Ryu and Dante have that simliar vibe going on, it's something t consider
 

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I'm a bit late to do that 100 thing but here it is in no particular order
85 - Estelle
86 - Saber
87 - Sakura
88 - Crash
89 - Sora
90 - Kiryu
91 - Reimu
92 - Tracer
93 - Phoenix Wright
94 - 2B or Hayabusa
95 - Euden
96 - Rex
97 - Gen 8 Pokemon
98 - Sol Badguy
99 - Frisk
100 - Gordon Freeman
 
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IMO I don't think Byleth was ever meant to be a Game Awards reveal
Now if we start to hear genuine rumblings about a potential reveal at this year's TGA, then I'd say the best candidates would be Dante or Crash (maybe Monster Hunter but honestly I'd rather have Dante thank you :) )
Geoff did say he'd like to have another "Joker like" reveal this year....buuuut given what happened last year I really REALLY don't want to lose another night's worth of sleep for nothing....
 

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For the perfect 100, with no specific order, I'd go with:
85 Amaterasu from Okami
86 Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden
87 Dr Robotnik from Sonic
88 Waluigi from Mario
89 Akira from Astral Chain
90 Travis from No More Heroes
91 Gooigi from Luigi's Mansion
92 Dixie Kong from Donkey Kong Country
93 Rabbid Rabbit from Mario+Rabbid Kingdom Battle
94 Ring Fit lady from Ring Fit Adventure
95 Monster Hunter from Monster Hunter
96 Some Grass Pokemon from Pokemon
97 Knight from Hollow Knight
98 Waddle Dee from Kirby
99 Zelda from Breath of the Wild
100 Sora from Kingdom Hearts
 

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IMO I don't think Byleth was ever meant to be a Game Awards reveal
Now if we start to hear genuine rumblings about a potential reveal at this year's TGA, then I'd say the best candidates would be Dante or Crash (maybe Monster Hunter but honestly I'd rather have Dante thank you :) )
Geoff did say he'd like to have another "Joker like" reveal this year....buuuut given what happened last year I really REALLY don't want to lose another night's worth of sleep for nothing....
I didn't lose sleep, though that would have only made things worse. I don't plan on watching this year. 2019's was a dumpster fire that allotted more time for musical performances and advertisements than actually, y'know, handing out awards. I'll wait for individual stuff to get uploaded to YouTube. If that means I miss a Smash reveal live, so be it.
 

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85 Rex
86 Dante
87 Ryu Hayabusa
88 insert Rhythm Heaven rep here
89 Sora
90 Isaac
91 Dixie Kong
92 Crash
93 Elma
94 Lloyd
95 Bandana Waddle Dee
96 Isaac
97 Farmer
98 Waluigi
99 Master Chief
100 Geno

Mixes of personal wants as well as overall general public wants, just so everyone's satisfied
 

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Well, Amiibo theory being dead is slightly vexxing, if only due to it giving some stability in the speculation field.

I 100% expect people now to be hyping up TGAs as our next big reveal, despite nothing happening last year.


Correct me if I'm wrong though, but wasn't the reason Amiibo theory worked for Min Min was due to an Amiibo Restock and not a new release?
 

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And if it's true, Amiibo Theory is dead, because there's no way we're waiting until Fall 2021 for the next fighter.
It's not 'dead', I feel like people jumped way too ahead of things.


Remember, Min Min's release co-incided with an Amiibo restock, not release.



The question is when will these restocks happen, and how far in advance will we know.
 

MarioRaccoon

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Road to 100? Here we go:

85: Dante (Devil May Cry)
86: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
87: Doom Slayer (Doom)
88: Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
89: Rayman (Rayman)
90: Kos-Mos (Xenosaga)
91: Agumon (Digimon)
92: Geno (Super Mario RPG)
93: Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)
94: Elma (Xenoblade X)
95: Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
96: Urshifu (Pokemon Sword/Shield)
97: Isaac (Golden Sun)
98: Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
99: Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
100: Kiryu (Yakuza)
 

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You know, considering how much Development Dante would have With all the Weapons he has, Styles, The Range, Devil Trigger, Combos, etc. that's not only alot of Animating, but that's also alot of Balancing you got to do. If Dante was next, I do wonder if we'd get gameplay of him. Of course if they didn't take a break when developing the characters, his Development should have started in Janurary - Feburary around when Byleth released, so he'd have a whole year to him to get him to work
While Dante has definitely a lot of material and possibilities for a moveset, that doesn't mean he will get everything he has in his games if he gets into Smash. I mean, Bayonetta also uses multiple weapons and she doesn't have any in Smash beyond her signature guns.

It will depend in how Sakurai decides to approach Dante, assuming he's in. Maybe he believes that his sword and his guns are enough to represent the basics of Dante (with a Smash moveset it's very difficult to cover everything he has), and he decides to focus in other things instead, like Devil Trigger, which would probably be the potential gimmick of Dante easier to translate into Smash.

Wait but people say Bayo is Joker's Mom

Does that mean that Dante has been in love with Bayonetta all this time?
I mean, in my headcanon it's pretty obvious. People always have talked about Dante and Bayonetta making a crossover, and with both being big hack n slash characters, it's a natural thing. Plus both characters were created by Kamiya.
The funny thing is that Bayo would probably be the dominant in their relationship, while there's a constant meme of Dante not knowing what is sex, which is funny when you think of Bayo's attitude and all lol



Also. Joker LITERALLY uses Rain Storm in Smash Ultimate. which is a Dante move, reinforcing my headcanon lmao. Bad quality gif incoming:

 
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While Dante has definitely a lot of material and possibilities for a moveset, that doesn't mean he will get everything he has in his games if he gets into Smash. I mean, Bayonetta also uses multiple weapons and she doesn't have any in Smash beyond her signature guns.

It will depend in how Sakurai decides to approach Dante, assuming he's in. Maybe he believes that his sword and his guns are enough to represent the basics of Dante (with a Smash moveset it's very difficult to cover everything he has), and he decides to focus in other things instead, like Devil Trigger, which would probably be the potential gimmick of Dante easier to translate into Smash.



I mean, in my headcanon it's pretty obvious. People always have talked about Dante and Bayonetta making a crossover, and with both being big hack n slash characters, it's a natural thing. Plus both characters were created by Kamiya.
The funny thing is that Bayo would probably be the dominant in their relationship, while there's a constant meme of Dante not knowing what is sex, which is funny when you think of Bayo's attitude and all lol



Also. Joker LITERALLY uses Rain Storm in Smash Ultimate. which is a Dante move, reinforcing my headcanon lmao. Bad quality gif incoming:

that gif was so low quality that when Dante was going down he look like he was cutting through space and time
 

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I mean, in my headcanon it's pretty obvious. People always have talked about Dante and Bayonetta making a crossover, and with both being big hack n slash characters, it's a natural thing. Plus both characters were created by Kamiya.
The funny thing is that Bayo would probably be the dominant in their relationship, while there's a constant meme of Dante not knowing what is sex, which is funny when you think of Bayo's attitude and all lol



Also. Joker LITERALLY uses Rain Storm in Smash Ultimate. which is a Dante move, reinforcing my headcanon lmao. Bad quality gif incoming:

From what I can gather:
Bayonetta is Joker's mom
Kirby is the child of Bayonetta and Palutena, adopted after World of Light
Pit is Palutena's son
Dark Pit is Palu's son by extension
Dante is the wacky woohoo pizzaman uncle who drops in sometimes to do some funny ****
This would mean Vergil is the other uncle and Nero is the cousin
 

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Adding another thing I just thought, what about recycling assets from WoL boss arenas, like Ganon, Marx and Rathalos and make new stages based on that. At least, something simple, in the stage select screen there is room for 3 more stages, alongside the next 5 stages from FP2.
Is that taking into account the custom stage button? Pretty sure they account for that.
 

MarioRaccoon

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Is that taking into account the custom stage button? Pretty sure they account for that.
I just forgot about the training stage. What a shame, in that case, they can add 2 more extra stages. They can also put together all three random buttons form normal/battlefield and omega forms into one to give more space for more stages.
 

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It's not 'dead', I feel like people jumped way too ahead of things.


Remember, Min Min's release co-incided with an Amiibo restock, not release.



The question is when will these restocks happen, and how far in advance will we know.
Okay, so I searched this thread as well as epicmartin7's posts (I'm sorry about earlier! Blushes) , and there are quite a few things worth noting. First:

Just like other fighters, Min-Min did release around something. However, it wasn't an amiibo release date.. it was an amiibo restock date for Smash amiibo in June.
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Now... I was very skeptical to use this date as a fill-in, however, I remembered something crucial. The restock date actually got delayed. It was originally in April believe it or not.
And then in the initial ARMS reveal from March, they said they needed to extend the development time of the character. I... basically put two and two together and just decided to count it as it seemed both were delayed at the same time, which to me, bolster my confidence in some correlation (potentially.)

And with amiibo waves finally becoming a thing again with Joker and Hero releasing in September... I do think Min-Min's release status was certainly a exception in my opinion.
If Min Min had released around the April period it would've tied "more neatly" with ARMS' free-to-play period and the North American Open around that time.

The "Looking Cool" and "RN-Gesus" Joker and Hero amiibos were first announced at the Min Min presentation, so that's where discussion around those two picked up. Min Min's restock was first anticipated for that April date, although there were no messages posted re: Amiibo restocks between March 30th and April 20th. Min Min's restock date (June 12th) was first announced ca. May 19th.

So that would mean that another restock date might be announced ca. 1 month ahead of restocks, and although it doesn't answer the question of when restocks happen...

I do kinda get the feeling it's possible that restocks could be announced in October / November for the Holidays. But just as they could be restocked then, chances are they'll be restocked later too, even past the New Year's.
 
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Adding another thing I just thought, what about recycling assets from WoL boss arenas, like Ganon, Marx and Rathalos and make new stages based on that. At least, something simple, in the stage select screen there is room for 3 more stages, alongside the next 5 stages from FP2.
While I'd like that, I don't exactly think they have any intention of doing so. Sucks too since I really dig Destroyed Hyrule Castle.
 

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So the guy that I think is said to have connections at Disney, went into more detail of Sora not being in. That Nintendo wanted Sora in Volume 2 but Disney unsurprisingly were being ***es.
 
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Okay, so I searched this thread as well as epicmartin7's posts (I'm sorry about earlier! Blushes) , and there are quite a few things worth noting. First:




If Min Min had released around the April period it would've tied "more neatly" with ARMS' free-to-play period and the North American Open around that time. Still, both the amiibo restock and

The "Looking Cool" and "RN-Gesus" Joker and Hero amiibos were first announced at the Min Min presentation, so that's where discussion around those two picked up. Min Min's restock was first anticipated for that April date, although there were no messages posted re: Amiibo restocks between March 30th and April 20th. Min Min's restock date (June 12th) was first announced ca. May 19th.

So that would mean that another restock date might be announced ca. 1 month ahead of restocks, and although it doesn't answer the question of when restocks happen...

I do kinda get the feeling it's possible that restocks could be announced in October / November for the Holidays. But just as they could be restocked then, chances are they'll be restocked later too, even past the New Year's.
Man

If restocks are announced for December, you know damn well everyone's gonna be pointing to TGAs lol.
 

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I still don't think a Volume 3 is happening. Better to not expect it and be pleasantly surprised than the other way around.

However... one thing to note is that if Volume 2 was a chance for base game (and potentially Volume 1) series that were already represented... we could see the same for Volume 3, theoretically.

So Ring Fit, Astral Chain, Sword and Shield and potentially even third parties like Resident Evil and Tekken could be back in the running.
I am all for this--- especially the Resident Evil and Tekken part.
 

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So the guy that I think is said to have connections at Disney, went into more detail of Sora not being in. That Nintendo wanted Sora in Volume 2 but Disney unsurprisingly were being ***es.
I think that was already shared? Or did he say something after that?




Adding another thing I just thought, what about recycling assets from WoL boss arenas, like Ganon, Marx and Rathalos and make new stages based on that. At least, something simple, in the stage select screen there is room for 3 more stages, alongside the next 5 stages from FP2.
We did see Galleom’s stage at the end of Joker’s true trailer

and we know every character, even Kirby and the DLC, have the Galeem/Dharkon effects (both aura and full body) thanks to the Hero trailer and that one modder
 

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Okay, so I searched this thread as well as epicmartin7's posts (I'm sorry about earlier! Blushes) , and there are quite a few things worth noting. First:




If Min Min had released around the April period it would've tied "more neatly" with ARMS' free-to-play period and the North American Open around that time.

The "Looking Cool" and "RN-Gesus" Joker and Hero amiibos were first announced at the Min Min presentation, so that's where discussion around those two picked up. Min Min's restock was first anticipated for that April date, although there were no messages posted re: Amiibo restocks between March 30th and April 20th. Min Min's restock date (June 12th) was first announced ca. May 19th.

So that would mean that another restock date might be announced ca. 1 month ahead of restocks, and although it doesn't answer the question of when restocks happen...

I do kinda get the feeling it's possible that restocks could be announced in October / November for the Holidays. But just as they could be restocked then, chances are they'll be restocked later too, even past the New Year's.
Restock Theory... Is this the successor to Amiibo theory now? Hope they can fill those shoes...


So the guy that I think is said to have connections at Disney, went into more detail of Sora not being in. That Nintendo wanted Sora in Volume 2 but Disney unsurprisingly were being ***es.
Who is this and what's his track record
 

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So the guy that I think is said to have connections at Disney, went into more detail of Sora not being in. That Nintendo wanted Sora in Volume 2 but Disney unsurprisingly were being ***es.
I've seen this before, and I'd like to know what track record this dude has. Because it's the first I've ever heard of them and "Sora is disconfirmed" is one hell of an opener.
 

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So the guy that I think is said to have connections at Disney, went into more detail of Sora not being in. That Nintendo wanted Sora in Volume 2 but Disney unsurprisingly were being ***es.
Just give it a few more years before Disney finds a way to buy Nintendo. That'll solve the problem!

What? Have you guys SEEN Disney's legal team? Those guys have gotten laws MADE, y'know...
 
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