Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

No. Stop.

Just trying to bring some speculation into the thread. Yeesh.

 

[Calamitas]

Alright, here's my take.

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I should point out that this only goes really goes from a "This is pretty great!" to "Urgh. Meh." reactions. I don't really hate any of the characters towards the bottom of the list, but they did leave me pretty underwhelmed.
. . .Which is pretty much all third-parties.

Just trying to bring some speculation into the thread. Yeesh.

You can also do that by not bringing up a "leak" that has been brought up and dismissed countless times already.

 

[skylanders fan]

I think the costumes could be real but they could be fake doesn’t really effect any characters chances tbh

 

[DarthEnderX]

I just want to say, people who dislike Steve should not judge him by his appearance, and his animations. It's how he plays that should matter, and how good he is.

Not to me.

I remember hearing some people say Piranha Plant was fun to play as, despite being disliked at first.

Still dislike him.

Plus, I thinke while Steve may look "out of place", at least he is in character much, which Sakruai may wanted to make happen with Steve. How else could you make Steve and make him look and be in character?

 

[SKX31]

Just trying to bring some speculation into the thread. Yeesh.

The problem is that by this point the Cacomallow leak's been stuck in the proverbial mud so long that it does not appear likely. And unlike Steve (who could've theoretically have gotten into Smash as far back as 4's DLC period assuming the 5 year period refers to that, together with , and ) the Mii costumes have a much more limited window by comparision. Not to mention, the Vault Boy costume is a major wrench in the leak because it's an unrelated Bethesda Mii costume that released on its own practically.

So I'm afraid that topic's not going to yield much.

Edit: I don't mean to come off as harsh either, I have a tendency to be blunt as a hammer.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Just trying to bring some speculation into the thread. Yeesh.

Yeah that was a bit harsh, I edited in an actual explanation, but it was too late:

EDIT: To be a little less mean, a long negotiation time is in no way related to a long testing period/sitting on the costumes they've made for an entire year.

Really I just think that the rumor has proven to be false for at least half a year now, and people need to let it go.

 

[Lamperouge]

I love dis:

I like dis:

I'm ok with dis:

I don't like dis:

Why is dis:

 

[Shroob]

Yeah that was a bit harsh, I edited in an actual explanation, but it was too late:

Really I just think that the rumor has been proven false for at least half a year now, and people need to let it go.

Honestly, after tomorrow, that'll be the final time I even give the leak so much of an eyebat.

Could some call it hasty since "Mii hats can come whenever?!" Sure

But if this is going to be our last character for the year, it'll be nearly a year since the leak happened, and if Cacodemon doesn't come tomorrow, then I'm gonna be giving it a big "Hmmst".

 

[Trevenant]

Just trying to bring some speculation into the thread. Yeesh.

Yeah they essentially elaborated on why it doesn't make much sense. The key thing the guy who said 5 years said that that was when discussion started but had no clue on implementation. Cacomallow would hypothetically be implementation which is a key difference between things like discussion since that suggests they are able to be released as they have been negotiated for and such. So that's why it's an unequal medium so to speak

 

[N3ON]

Ultimate's a game of extremes. As many characters in bottom tier as ever before for me, but the most in the top-tier to date.

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That said, honestly my biggest surprise here is that Daisy wound up in the middle.

And for the hell of it

Spoiler: SSB4

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A very average selection, imo.

Spoiler: Brawl

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Still my favourite

Spoiler: Melee

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History has been kind to some of these choices.

Spoiler: 64

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This one felt weird to rank.

 

[CannonStreak]

Not to me.

Still dislike him.

That's fine if you dislike. Provided if you are even going to buy him, his gameplay may change your mind. Or it may not, but if you try him out, at least you tried.

 

[toonito]

So a new game. From best to worst. How would you guys rate and list every newcomer as of current?

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[SirBillyBob]

Place your bets for tomorrow, folks.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That's fine if you dislike. Provided if you are even going to buy him, his gameplay may change your mind. Or it may not, but if you try him out, at least you tried.

He won't. He values character over moveset, and traditional over unorthodox. As an unorthodox character he's predisposed to dislike, Steve does not, and will never do anything for him.

EDIT: And I should probably note that that's perfectly fine. With the current 19 or so swings Nintendo has taken, some of them are bound to be misses for at least some poeple (and Steve is a pretty big miss for a lot of people).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Place your bets for tomorrow, folks.

Creeper and Ender Dragon hats, Hollow Knight Deluxe Mii Swordfighter, Master Chief Mii Gunner.

 

[MooMew64]

Newcomer tier lists? 'Aight:

Spoiler

Honestly? Ultimate's been pretty good to me, lol. I'm feeling pretty good about this roster right now.

 

[Shroob]

Place your bets for tomorrow, folks.
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Kinda feeling the Capcom or Namco hats.


If we ARE getting 6 costumes tomorrow like the News suggests, I have a feeling we'd get at least 2 returning ones.

 

[CannonStreak]

He won't. He values character over moveset, and traditional over unorthodox. As an unorthodox character he's predisposed to dislike, Steve does not, and will never do anything for him.

EDIT: And I should probably not that that's perfectly fine. With the current 19 or so swings Nintendo has taken, some of them are bound to be misses for at least some poeple (and Steve is a pretty big miss for a lot of people).

I still said it was fine that he disliked, did he?

Still, I can't say I agree with the character over mindset thing, personally speaking, of course.

 

[KillerCage]

Loathe:

Dislike:

Meh:

Like:

Love:

CAN DIE HAPPY:

 

[I.D.]

Place your bets for tomorrow, folks.
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I'm looking forward to the next amiibos release date

 

[Shroob]

I'm looking forward to the next amiibos release date

...Oh you absolute madman I forgot about that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I still said it was fine that he disliked, did he?

You did. I did so as well, as I feared my statement would come off as passive aggressive otherwise.

Still, I can't say I agree with the character over mindset thing, personally speaking, of course.

Gameplay does matter to me most, but then I've never had a character I actively disliked get in. The closest that I've come to that is childish rage over Greninja and Bayonetta.

Luckily for me, it'd be pretty hard to add a character that I actually hate. In fact, I can't even think of one. I'm sure it exists, but I can't think of it currently.

 

[MooMew64]

Still can't shake the feeling we're gonna see Master Chief as our PreMiium tomorrow.

As for returning ones? Honestly, I think none of them will show up tomorrow: I think the presentation being tied to Minecon means it's gonna be Minecraft and Microsoft focused Mii costumes.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm looking forward to the next amiibos release date

And that's also when we'll know when FP8 comes given how the theory has held up so far!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Still can't shake the feeling we're gonna see Master Chief as our PreMiium tomorrow.

As for returning ones? Honestly, I think none of them will show up tomorrow: I think the presentation being tied to Minecon means it's gonna be Minecraft and Microsoft focused Mii costumes.

That's certainly a possibility, especially since there are 6, they release in 2's, and there are 5 waves left. There will be at least 2 waves without returning costumes.

 

[CannonStreak]

You did. I did so as well, as I feared my statement would come off as passive aggressive otherwise.


Gameplay does matter to me most, but then I've never had a character I actively disliked get in. The closest that I've come to that is childish rage over Greninja and Bayonetta.

Luckily for me, it'd be pretty hard to add a character that I actually hate. In fact, I can't even think of one. I'm sure it exists, but I can't think of it currently.

I understand, of course. On both counts. I personally want a fun character. You're not me, of course, so there is that.

Still, character over moveset, traditional over unorthodox? I find that to be boring, personally, and dull. No offense to you, DarthEnderX , of course. Nothing I can do about it anyway, even if I wanted to. Still, I am more of a creativity valuing guy.

 

[Shroob]

.......wait, y'all want a Master Chief Premium Mii costume?


GDI stop giving Gunner all the good ****

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Dunno why, still thinking if were getting a Premium Mii costume it'll be Hollow Knight as a Swordfighter.

Master Chief I expect to only be a normal Mii Gunner.

 

[cashregister9]

(I've liked all the chars so far so this list is purely relative)

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[SMAASH! Puppy]

Still, character over moveset, traditional over unorthodox? I find that to be boring, personally, and dull.

Well traditional doesn't inherently = boring or samey. I mean, most of the roster operates traditionally, and most of them are good fun. There are also few characters I'd call samey in terms of how they feel to play.

.......wait, y'all want a Master Chief Premium Mii costume?


GDI stop giving Gunner all the good ****

Well if he's not going to be playable...

Honestly, if I could, I'd buy it for the Halo theme alone. lol

 

[CannonStreak]

(I've liked all the chars so far)

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Uhhh...

You forgot K. Rool. Where is he?

 

[Shroob]

Well traditional doesn't inherently = boring or samey. I mean, most of the roster operates traditionally, and most of them are good fun. There are also few characters I'd call samey in terms of how they feel to play.


Well if he's not going to be playable...

Honestly, if I could, I'd buy it for the Halo theme alone. lol

C-can't he at least be Swordfighter with one of them energy swords they use?


.....I've never played Halo.

 

[cashregister9]

Uhhh...

You forgot K. Rool. Where is he?

Right I forgot, I Added him

 

[CannonStreak]

Well traditional doesn't inherently = boring or samey. I mean, most of the roster operates traditionally, and most of them are good fun. There are also few characters I'd call samey in terms of how they feel to play.


Well if he's not going to be playable...

Honestly, if I could, I'd buy it for the Halo theme alone. lol

Yeah, there is that. I might as well as say I like characters who are fun to play, as traditional can mean fun to play, of course. But by samey, you don't mean just clones and echoes, do you?

 

[blackghost]

I don't know. Like I said before, Lara was never really that big of a deal in Japan as she was in the west, and even today she feels like she's kinda lost mindshare. And obviously she seemingly doesn't have that much fan demand.

I just don't see her standing out to the Nintendo suits.

lost in the mindshare? lol what? she just had a trilogy of games come out and a movie less than 5 years ago. her latest game was in 2018. lara is still a major player. as for the concept of fan demand, that really isnt what is most important. the characters standing, historical resume, and third party benefits matter far more than fan demand.
even if steve had no fan demand that was visible he still remains the mascot of a top 5 game on the planet. plus attachent to one of the biggest companies on the planet.

 

[DittoInDisguise]

I hope the premium mii costume is Ori with light of nibel as the included track, but I expect it is Master chief. Unless there are like, bonus characters that aren't in a pass so they can save MC for that. There is no way that will happen though.

 

[Droodle]

Place your bets for tomorrow, folks.
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I'm feeling Lloyd returning. I think Capcom has a much better shot than Namco at this point, so I think they'll save MH for a potential Capcom character. But any 3 of these would be a big turn in speculation, one way or another.

 

[MooMew64]

.......wait, y'all want a Master Chief Premium Mii costume?


GDI stop giving Gunner all the good ****

I'm hoping so bad for Sword Fighter to get something. Even Brawler got to have Callie!

 

[CannonStreak]

Right I forgot, I Added him

Can't say I disagree with where you put him. He is a heavyweight, and all that comes with it. So I understand.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

C-can't he at least be Swordfighter with one of them energy swords they use?

No.

He can't.

There is no Swordfighter.

Only Gunner.

Yeah, there is that. I might as well as say I like characters who are fun to play, as traditional can mean fun to play, of course. But by samey, you don't mean just clones and echoes, do you?

Honestly, I think most clones are very different from their original fighter. Of non clones, the only characters that I find to be incredibly similar are Corrin and Marth due to the former's nerfs making Dragon Lunge pretty garbo. Even so, he does have enough to at least stand out what with his dragon finger Forward Smash, dragon toe Down Smash, and arm mouth projectile.

Ugh. Corrin has so much body horror when you stop to think about it.