Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[epicmartin7]

So... I might be able to mathematically approximate when the next Sakurai showcase is.

TL;DR:

• I made an equation where a DLC Release Date was Y and a Sakurai Showcase was X via Desmos.
• Considering both Y and X are traditionally in close proximity, the equation seems to fit well.
• So, I took Joker and Hero's NA Amiibo Date, and put them into the NA Amiibo Theory equations I had.
• I got three possible release dates found with variations of the same equation (+stdev, -stdev, avg).
• I took all three variations and plugged them into the sakurai showcases equations.
• This means, I got three possible sakurai showcase dates from each release date.
• Meaning, I got 9 sakurai showcase dates overall.

Note: All the data is based on the North American region.

Here's a diagram of everything I got.

Spoiler: Sakurai Dates Diagram

However, using current stuff we know, I was able to cross out some stuff and boil things down.

Spoiler: Sakurai Dates Diagram Pinpointed

Here's why I boiled things down the way I did:

• The Top Right was crossed out because those dates already exist.
• The Bottom Left was left alone because they can still technically happen. However, I feel October 26th would be too close to Pokemon imo.
• Which is why I circled Oct. 15th and the (AVG) Sakurai Presents Date. Seems like that could be a really good sweetspot.

Of course, please temper your expectations with this. This is still just math. It is not a Magic 8-Ball or anything like that and it is possible for this to be wrong. However, it is fun to think about!

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I kinda want to pick up Sw/Sh again now, I haven't played it in almost a year. Maybe it's time to try out the first DLC.

 

[Calamitas]

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention: Everything from Platinum to Black 2 and White 2 were the apex of the series. You can't change my mind.

X and Y, OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire and Sun and Moon were still good and all, but pretty flawed in a way the above ones weren't.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention: Everything from Platinum to Black 2 and White 2 were the apex of the series. You can't change my mind.

Nah, Pokemon Fire Red, best in the series. I don't care if that's the nostalgia taking, that game was excellent.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Because the detractors are a small part of the fanbase. The game is the best selling game in the series since Gen2. What reason does Gamefreak have to improve when they see Sword/Shield's sales?


That's the issue. The people who are unhappy are a small part of the general Pokemon fanbase, we pretty much know our voice won't be heard, and even if it does get heard, again, look at the sales. Sword/Shield were enormous successes.

For their brand. Even if Pokemon is still doing well, people's faith in the brand in relations to the game's is going down and that can have negative impacts in the long term. If I were at Gamefreak right now I'd be very worried about future consumer relations.

There are signs Gamefreak is trying things different since Sw/Sh's release, like how they moved closer to Nintendo headquarters. No one thought they'd add DLC when they could sell 3rd versions for full price, but they did that anyway.

Thing is, Gamefreak has been getting a good amount of these criticisms for years, and they've never adressed them. So why would Generation 9 be any different?

Because this backlash was on a scale we've never seen before within the Pokemon fandom. The only thing coming remotely close was the backlash to Gen 5 by gunwunners, and we have seen Gamefreak respond to that by giving Gen 1 pokemon special treatment in every gen since.

I'm not trying to promise that Sw/Sh will be some amazing, Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey in quality - in fact I really doubt that. I just think all the loud voices leading up to Sw/Sh's release may have made them at least consider taking a step back and looking at how they do things.

 

[ARandomFruit]

Nah, Pokemon Fire Red, best in the series. I don't care if that's the nostalgia taking, that game was excellent.

Such a weird way of spelling "Pokemon Emerald" but other than that yeah same.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I figured we all moved onto the Pokemon discussion from Tracer. I tried to checked to see if people responed to my past couple of posts. Is there a way to check if someone quoted you in this thread?

Also MIC CHECK. CHECK. CHECK. HELLO

Just want to know if people can see my posts. I start getting paranoid like everyone is blocking me.

If you get quoted you should get a notification.

 

[N3ON]

Just from a game perspective, Pokemon desperately needs some years off to craft something that actually feels polished and contemporary. However, from a profit perspective, nothing really needs to change... and thus nothing likely will.

It is a bit frustrating that Pokemon being Pokemon has given them license to avoid evolving the series (heh) more, since underperforming is not really a likely scenario. Their complacency doesn't really catch up with them. That said, Wild Area was a step in the right direction, but it still needs a lot of work.

And to answer an earlier question, no, nothing in the Crown Tundra excites me. I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of negativity, I watched the presentation, I own the expansion pass (and in that way I'm part of the problem), so I really hope something would speak to me, but... it isn't to be. The legendary bird redesigns look clean, but I'm not here for Dynamax, I think it's a swing and a miss, and I hope next gen's gimmick is better.

It is disappointing to see Pokemon continue down it's descending trajectory ambition and, arguably, quality-wise. Especially when you compare it to how other Nintendo series with different leadership continue to evolve themselves. Prior to quarantine, I wasn't planning on even getting these games, and until I see them sort of break the mold and really bring the series into what feels like a contemporary place, I think I'm going to keep my distance.

Though I would get another G/S remake, because that's my favourite gen.

And also, tangential, but I'm a touch peeved that now everyone is going to just be handed a Melmetal, because I worked hard getting myself one of those ****ers in Pokemon Go.

 

[SharkLord]

So... I might be able to mathematically approximate when the next Sakurai showcase is.

TL;DR:

• I made an equation where a DLC Release Date was Y and a Sakurai Showcase was X via Desmos.
• Considering both Y and X are traditionally in close proximity, the equation seems to fit well.
• So, I took Joker and Hero's NA Amiibo Date, and put them into the NA Amiibo Theory equations I had.
• I got three possible release dates found with variations of the same equation (+stdev, -stdev, avg).
• I took all three variations and plugged them into the sakurai showcases equations.
• This means, I got three possible sakurai showcase dates from each release date.
• Meaning, I got 9 sakurai showcase dates overall.

Note: All the data is based on the North American region.

Here's a diagram of everything I got.

Spoiler: Sakurai Dates Diagram

View attachment 287267

However, using current stuff we know, I was able to cross out some stuff and boil things down.

Spoiler: Sakurai Dates Diagram Pinpointed

View attachment 287268

Here's why I boiled things down the way I did:

• The Top Right was crossed out because those dates already exist.
• The Bottom Left was left alone because they can still technically happen. However, I feel October 26th would be too close to Pokemon imo.
• Which is why I circled Oct. 15th and the (AVG) Sakurai Presents Date. Seems like that could be a really good sweetspot.

Of course, please temper your expectations with this. This is still just math. It is not a Magic 8-Ball or anything like that and it is possible for this to be wrong. However, it is fun to think about!

The amount of effort you put into these big equations for such a simple end result is both impressive and alarming.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Such a weird way of spelling "Pokemon Emerald" but other than that yeah same.

The Gen 3 graphics were just so good. I love that art style, and as unpopular as this is gonna sound, I didn't enjoy the psuedo-3D graphics of Gen 4 and 5.

 

[epicmartin7]

The amount of effort you put into these big equations for such a simple end result is both impressive and alarming.

I mean... at the end of the day, Desmos takes care of the hard work :V. It's mainly the organization that I really have to work about lmao.

 

[ZelDan]

As someone who never personally cared that much about the national dex controversy as I never cared about "catching 'em all", I enjoyed SwSh and didn't really find it any less enjoyable than any other mainline game I played (I've played every mainline pokemon game except gens 4 and 5 for reference).

My biggest gripe with SwSh is my biggest gripe with the series in general, it was stupidly easy. I don't need every game I play to be difficult, and I don't mind games being a bit on the easy side, but Pokemon kind of takes way past "a bit on the easy side." maybe it's just me, but I still think it's silly that the only people that ever end up having a full team of 6 pokemon is you and whoever the champion is. You'd think atleast gym leaders, your rival, the elite 4, the head honcho(s) of the villain team(s) would come prepared with a full team...

 

[Polan]

So... I might be able to mathematically approximate when the next Sakurai showcase is.

TL;DR:

• I made an equation where a DLC Release Date was Y and a Sakurai Showcase was X via Desmos.
• Considering both Y and X are traditionally in close proximity, the equation seems to fit well.
• So, I took Joker and Hero's NA Amiibo Date, and put them into the Amiibo Theory equations I had.
• I got three possible release dates found with variations of the same equation (+stdev, -stdev, avg).
• I took all three variations and plugged them into the sakurai showcases equations.
• This means, I got three possible sakurai showcase dates from each release date.
• Meaning, I got 9 sakurai showcase dates overall.

Here's a diagram of everything I got.

Spoiler: Sakurai Dates Diagram

View attachment 287267

However, using current stuff we know, I was able to cross out some stuff and boil things down.

Spoiler: Sakurai Dates Diagram Pinpointed

View attachment 287268

Here's why I boiled things down the way I did:

• The Top Right was crossed out because those dates already exist.
• The Bottom Left was left alone because they can still technically happen. However, I feel October 26th would be too close to Pokemon imo.
• Which is why I circled Oct. 15th and the (AVG) Sakurai Presents Date. Seems like that could be a really good sweetspot.

Of course, please temper your expectations with this. This is still just math. It is not a Magic 8-Ball or anything like that and it is possible for this to be wrong. However, it is fun to think about!

MATH!!! GET IT AWAY FROM ME!!!!

 

[Opossum]

The Gen 3 graphics were just so good. I love that art style, and as unpopular as this is gonna sound, I didn't enjoy the psuedo-3D graphics of Gen 4 and 5.

Nah I totally get that. Gen 3's overworld spriting in particular is probably my favorite in the series, even if Gen 5 is my favorite gen.

I think it's the colors, for me.

 

[Calamitas]

Nah, Pokemon Fire Red, best in the series. I don't care if that's the nostalgia taking, that game was excellent.

FireRed and LeafGreen were alright, but in hindsight of what the other (non-Let's Go) remakes did, they feel pretty lacklustre. It still annoys me to this day that they didn't make new evolutions for Generation 1 Pokémon introduced in Generation 2 available in those games. And while the Sevii Islands were fun (why weren't they in HGSS and the Let's Go games?!), it's just a huge missed opportunity that they didn't include Johto in those games, and let you do basically an inverse of Gold and Silver.

My biggest gripe with SwSh is my biggest gripe with the series in general, it was stupidly easy. I don't need every game I play to be difficult, and I don't mind games being a bit on the easy side, but Pokemon kind of takes way past "a bit on the easy side." maybe it's just me, but I still think it's silly that the only people that ever end up having a full team of 6 pokemon is you and whoever the champion is. You'd think atleast gym leaders, your rival, the elite 4, the head honcho(s) of the villain team(s) would come prepared with a full team...

That reminds me of how for my playthrough of Sword, I essentially raised two or three teams worth of Pokémon at the same time because I didn't want to be constantly overlevelled. Even so, I still breezed through the game.

 

[Koopaul]

If you get quoted you should get a notification.

Hm... No. Maybe I have that disabled? I'll check. Thanks

 

[SharkLord]

Someone pointed out to me once that Amiibo Theory is basically the end result of teachers telling you to show all your work when you can just do it in your head. When you think about it, they have a point.

 

[extremeturkey]

Guys if your nintendo online ran out recently before you finished up your errands, just go to my nintendo and redeem a week of it for 100 platinum points. You have until tomorrow to do so. This deal comes up every now and then.

I'm using it to stock up on mario maker courses and to offload a bunch of DIYs in animal crossing. After that, I don't really need to pay for nintendo online

 

[KillerCage]

This trailer was leaked on the official Nintendo channel earlier today.
Personally, i think jt might be real.

Thanks. I hate it.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I’ve played Pokémon for many years now, have sunk potentially thousands of hours into the games. I absolutely love them.

While I do not think Sword and Shield are without flaws, I think the severity of the flaws are blown veeeeeery much out of proportion by folks on social media. For months, folks made a huge stink out of the lack of national Dex (something I myself was very disappointed by) and saying how the games were going on to fail.

Sword and Shield went on to become I believe the best selling games in the series. If not best, then fastest selling.

Do I think they’re the best in the series? No, not really. The story kinda sucked and told, not showed what was happening, which is a big no no for interesting stories. That said, the gameplay as solid as always, and it scratched the Pokémon itch I had at the time, and usually get.

What I find to be an issue with discourse around Pokémon is that there never seems to be a middle ground opinion. I understand that to get traction on social media, most folks need to have a standout, extreme opinion. This is usually something about how Sword and Shield are “horrible” games, when that simply isn’t true.

I don’t think there are that many people who are saying they’re the best, but I DO see a lot of people who saying it’s a trash game on the internet, and I simply disagree. They’re doing something right if they manage to keep selling millions of copies every time.

That all said, I do hope that they make changes that can expand upon Sword and Shield as a framework. The wild area works, and could be even better in the next title.

I mean, social media has many more miserable people than fair people. You can’t be happy about Mario 3D All Stars because it was “lazy”, even though I thoroughly enjoyed my nostalgia trip. But the thing is that even if it was better in some ways, folks would STILL tear it down.

I’m not saying you can’t have a negative opinion of something- it’s good to have multiple perspectives. However, there is an abundance of negativity , and much of that negativity seems to come from people who provide nothing BUT negativity.

I guess the best comparison I can generate is this: People who are still mad about stuff with Pokémon Sw/Sh are like, to a lesser extent, fans that are still salty about Byleth.

I am far more understanding of the Pokémon stuff, but it’s been nearly a year now.

 

[Shroob]

I’ve played Pokémon for many years now, have sunk potentially thousands of hours into the games. I absolutely love them.

While I do not think Sword and Shield are without flaws, I think the severity of the flaws are blown veeeeeery much out of proportion by folks on social media. For months, folks made a huge stink out of the lack of national Dex (something I myself was very disappointed by) and saying how the games were going on to fail.

Sword and Shield went on to become I believe the best selling games in the series. If not best, then fastest selling.

Do I think they’re the best in the series? No, not really. The story kinda sucked and told, not showed what was happening, which is a big no no for interesting stories. That said, the gameplay as solid as always, and it scratched the Pokémon itch I had at the time, and usually get.

What I find to be an issue with discourse around Pokémon is that there never seems to be a middle ground opinion. I understand that to get traction on social media, most folks need to have a standout, extreme opinion. This is usually something about how Sword and Shield are “horrible” games, when that simply isn’t true.

I don’t think there are that many people who are saying they’re the best, but I DO see a lot of people who saying it’s a trash game on the internet, and I simply disagree. They’re doing something right if they manage to keep selling millions of copies every time.

That all said, I do hope that they make changes that can expand upon Sword and Shield as a framework. The wild area works, and could be even better in the next title.

I mean, social media has many more miserable people than fair people. You can’t be happy about Mario 3D All Stars because it was “lazy”, even though I thoroughly enjoyed my nostalgia trip. But the thing is that even if it was better in some ways, folks would STILL tear it down.

I’m not saying you can’t have a negative opinion of something- it’s good to have multiple perspectives. However, there is an abundance of negativity , and much of that negativity seems to come from people who provide nothing BUT negativity.

I guess the best comparison I can generate is this: People who are still mad about stuff with Pokémon Sw/Sh are like, to a lesser extent, fans that are still salty about Byleth.

I am far more understanding of the Pokémon stuff, but it’s been nearly a year now.

This is a really bad comparison, Teach, ngl.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention: Everything from Platinum to Black 2 and White 2 were the apex of the series. You can't change my mind.

X and Y, OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire and Sun and Moon were still good and all, but pretty flawed in a way the above ones weren't.

X and Y could’ve been some of the most exciting games in the series if Mega Evolutions were just permanent New Evolutions.

 

[SharkLord]

Honestly I don't really care about Pokemon anymore. SwSh was meh; Nothing special, but it doesn't really offend me in any way. It's just that my interests have changed and I've moved on.

 

[N3ON]

I think there's an important difference between maintaining your dislike of something after a period of time, and raising something apropos of nothing to complain about it when it's no longer topical.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the former. As long as you can accept the situation is what it is, you can feel however you want to about it. If you dislike Sw/Sh, if you dislike Byleth... if you dislike characters added years and years ago. That's fine as long as you've accepted the reality of the situation and don't bring it up out of nowhere to malign it.

Today, for instance, it's not that egregious to air complaints about Sw/Sh, considering we just got a presentation about content coming to the game. Just, y'know, don't be hostile or needlessly coarse about it. Which people here aren't, really.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

This trailer was leaked on the official Nintendo channel earlier today.
Personally, i think jt might be real.

There was another video in the leak too

 

[Icedragonadam]

So what's this video rumor about anyways?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So what's this video rumor about anyways?

It’s ****posting, nothing to see here

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

Sword and Shield went on to become I believe the best selling games in the series. If not best, then fastest selling.

They're selling (sold? are selling?) well, but really not all that much better in comparison to previous mainline titles - that's more due to the success of the switch than anything else.

Nothing will ever reach Gen 1 heights tbh, I'm pretty sure Red/Blue/Green (and Yellow) sold a combined total of like 45 million units or something ridiculous like that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sword and Shield suck because Pokemon ****ing adores power creep to the point we got one of the strongest physical attackers in tbe game, a ****ton of broken moves, Dynamax and just today, a mon that instantly puts out Haze when sent on the field, guaranteeing it competitive popularity as it can somewhat nerf Dynamax. And we're getting Lando T again which may or may not be able to learn Ground Type Scald

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

This is a really bad comparison, Teach, ngl.

I disagree.

I’ve seen nothing actually productive come from the excessive negativity that surrounds particular games, Sword and Shield being one example, andfrom what I’ve seen, there are still situations in which folks are criticized for actually saying they like the games. It may not be on this site, but it does happen.

As I clarified, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with providing a different opinion- that’s how progress happens. But when folks can’t accept things for what they are and kinda...get past it, all it will be is negativity, and that doesn’t get anybody anywhere in its purest form.

In that sense, it’s similar to folks that still rail on Byleth as a huge travesty. At some point you just gotta deal with the reality of the situation and find a way to deal with it. I for one am sad that I can’t bring my Greninja into Pokémon Sword, but am I in absolute shambles? No, and that’s just as valid as somebody who IS upset.

But just being negative all the time, and doing nothing but spreading negativity isn’t actually productive. It’s just being negative and dragging everybody down with you, again, similar to Byleth haters.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

I've pretty much sold my soul to pokemon at this point so any main game that isn't a let's Go game or another Kanto remake I'll get because I just....cannot abandon pokemon like that...
EDIT : Also I've really enjoyed my time with Pokemon Shield and the dlc so far, obviously they aren't my favorite nor the best entries in the series, they do have flaws, but I can confidently say that the soundtrack is the literal best Gamefreak has put out since Black and White IMO also the pokemon designs these past few generations have been TOP NOTCH, SW/SH even more so than the previous ones, as have been the chara designs...
One of the main reason why I want a Gen 8 Pokemon in Smash (music is usually one of the main reason why I want a character in Smash to begin with sooo x) )

 

[Shroob]

I disagree.

I’ve seen nothing actually productive come from the excessive negativity that surrounds particular games, Sword and Shield being one example, andfrom what I’ve seen, there are still situations in which folks are criticized for actually saying they like the games. It may not be on this site, but it does happen.

As I clarified, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with providing a different opinion- that’s how progress happens. But when folks can’t accept things for what they are and kinda...get past it, all it will be is negativity, and that doesn’t get anybody anywhere in its purest form.

In that sense, it’s similar to folks that still rail on Byleth as a huge travesty. At some point you just gotta deal with the reality of the situation and find a way to deal with it. I for one am sad that I can’t bring my Greninja into Pokémon Sword, but am I in absolute shambles? No, and that’s just as valid as somebody who IS upset.

But just being negative all the time, and doing nothing but spreading negativity isn’t actually productive. It’s just being negative and dragging everybody down with you, again, similar to Byleth haters.

You're comparing Smash Ultimate and a vocal fanbase who despises the fact that Fire Emblem takes up 8 spots because the amount of slots matter in the minds of some people, to people who are legitimately concerned that a series that they've grown up with since childhood is going down the EA route of "**** out a game yearly, **** quality, fans will buy it anyway."


Like, even comparing Ultimate to SwSd is laughable. Ultimate has shown that the devs are willing to listen to fans, if not embrace them with open arms, and frankly, coming off Brawl and Smash 4, two of the weaker games in the series, Ultimate shows that they listened to a lot of fan and critical reception about their previous entries and not only showed a willingness to improve, but gave the fans what they want.

So to then even try to compare that to SwSd, it feels like nothing more than "Shut up, deal with it, consume product".

 

[Calamitas]

I've pretty much sold my soul to pokemon at this point so any main game that isn't a let's Go game or another Kanto remake I'll get because I just....cannot abandon pokemon like that...

You know, funny thing - after USUM I would've said the same. But then Let's Go turned out to be everything I didn't want it be, and nothing that I did want it to be, and Sword and Shield were just wholly underwhelming. And now, I'm honestly not even sure if I'll even get Generation 9 or the Diamond/Pearl remakes, whenever those come out. My faith in the series has just been slowly erroding ever since X and Y. Not without any bright spots in between, mind you, but on the whole, it has just really been going down.

 

[PeridotGX]

Everything about Pokemon is great, except for the games. TCG? Power creep's been getting wonky, but it's mostly good. From what I hear, the new anime season is the best yet. I literally got a new favorite Pokemon in the latest gen (Cursola). But the main course, the games themselves, aren't the greatest. SWSH isn't atrocious, I enjoyed my playthrough well enough, but it's flaws are very notable.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I disagree.

I’ve seen nothing actually productive come from the excessive negativity that surrounds particular games, Sword and Shield being one example, andfrom what I’ve seen, there are still situations in which folks are criticized for actually saying they like the games. It may not be on this site, but it does happen.

As I clarified, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with providing a different opinion- that’s how progress happens. But when folks can’t accept things for what they are and kinda...get past it, all it will be is negativity, and that doesn’t get anybody anywhere in its purest form.

In that sense, it’s similar to folks that still rail on Byleth as a huge travesty. At some point you just gotta deal with the reality of the situation and find a way to deal with it. I for one am sad that I can’t bring my Greninja into Pokémon Sword, but am I in absolute shambles? No, and that’s just as valid as somebody who IS upset.

But just being negative all the time, and doing nothing but spreading negativity isn’t actually productive. It’s just being negative and dragging everybody down with you, again, similar to Byleth haters.

I think the difference is that Byleth is ultimately 1 character, one which can easily be ignored if you so desire, whereas SwoShi is significantly harder to ignore. People don't like the lackluster story even for Pokemon standards, though tbf that can be skipped so if that fixes it in your eyes that works. There's the insane power creep that centralizes the competitive scenes so hardcore players, both the ones that TPC endorses and the ones they don't, get screwed out of a meta. The dex cut, which means some people's favourite mons simply won't be in the game which can disappoint, the DISGUSTING monitization of having to pay an annual fee of 20 bucks to get your mons from the 3ds games over to SwoShi and how transfering via Pokemon Go costs ingame currency that isn't easy to get for everyone and many, many more potential issues.


TLDR: Byleth is one easily ignorable aspect for those who don't like it. SwoShi is an entire package of stuff so it's less ignorable

EDIT: The annual fee is Bank and Home assuming you can easily farm coins so that you never have to pay actual money, not NSO

 

[Curious Villager]

They're selling (sold? are selling?) well, but really not all that much better in comparison to previous mainline titles - that's more due to the success of the switch than anything else.

Nothing will ever reach Gen 1 heights tbh, I'm pretty sure Red/Blue/Green (and Yellow) sold a combined total of like 45 million units or something ridiculous like that.

I think it became the third best selling gen of all time, right behind gen 1 and 2.

But yeah, I think a large part of that is probably due to it being the first non remake home console titles as well as the Switch itself combining both handheld & home console playerbases and overall being a huge success..

 

[Calamitas]

Everything about Pokemon is great, except for the games. TCG? Power creep's been getting wonky, but it's mostly good. From what I hear, the new anime season is the best yet. I literally got a new favorite Pokemon in the latest gen (Cursola). But the main course, the games themselves, aren't the greatest.

Main games, you mean. Rescue Team DX was an excellent remake, and there's of course still New Pokémon Snap coming up.

 

[P.Kat]

Though I would get another G/S remake, because that's my favourite gen.

Gold and Silver were definitely a treasure to behold especially Heart Gold, and Soul Silver.

Ruby, and Sapphire (and their remake) are right up there too, but Gold and Silver was the direction future Pokémon games should of gone in.

"Hey congrats beating the Johto Pokémon League, and filling the Johto Pokédex. I guess you think there's nothing left to do now but to head home right? WRONG! There a new a region to explore, a new League to win, and most importantly new Pokémon to catch so get to it!

I thought with Pokémon being on a console this time around, we would the power to see something similar like happen. Was I expecting all the regions? No, but at least another region (even a former one) to show that they were bringing back a very cool feature that ultimately make sense in the Pokémon world.

The expansion pack (which I do own) is close it's kinda scratching that itch, but it's not quite there yet.

Edit: Despite some flaws with Sword and Shield, I'm still enjoying it.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You're comparing Smash Ultimate and a vocal fanbase who despises the fact that Fire Emblem takes up 8 spots because the amount of slots matter in the minds of some people, to people who are legitimately concerned that a series that they've grown up with since childhood is going down the EA route of "** out a game yearly, ** quality, fans will buy it anyway."


Like, even comparing Ultimate to SwSd is laughable. Ultimate has shown that the devs are willing to listen to fans, if not embrace them with open arms, and frankly, coming off Brawl and Smash 4, two of the weaker games in the series, Ultimate shows that they listened to a lot of fan and critical reception about their previous entries and not only showed a willingness to improve, but gave the fans what they want.

So to then even try to compare that to SwSd, it feels like nothing more than "Shut up, deal with it, consume product".

I like how you label some criticisms valid and some not.

That will help your point.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You're comparing Smash Ultimate and a vocal fanbase who despises the fact that Fire Emblem takes up 8 spots because the amount of slots matter in the minds of some people, to people who are legitimately concerned that a series that they've grown up with since childhood is going down the EA route of "** out a game yearly, ** quality, fans will buy it anyway."


Like, even comparing Ultimate to SwSd is laughable. Ultimate has shown that the devs are willing to listen to fans, if not embrace them with open arms, and frankly, coming off Brawl and Smash 4, two of the weaker games in the series, Ultimate shows that they listened to a lot of fan and critical reception about their previous entries and not only showed a willingness to improve, but gave the fans what they want.

So to then even try to compare that to SwSd, it feels like nothing more than "Shut up, deal with it, consume product".

I feel as though you missed this part:

People who are still mad about stuff with Pokémon Sw/Sh are like, to a lesser extent, fans that are still salty about Byleth.

I am far more understanding of the Pokémon stuff, but it’s been nearly a year now.

When I said, "To a lesser extent" it meant that I am far more understanding of why Pokemon fans are upset about their respective issue. Being disappointed in a game is different than being upset about a character, stage, and music among many others. However, the behavior of those who are angry is actually relatively similar. Comparisons don't have to always be 1:1 in their entirety to make a shred of sense; I am aware Byleth isn't the same size as a mainline Pokemon game, but the reactions to both of them were the same, with neither being especially effective.

Plenty of folks mad about Pokemon acted as if "Game Freak burnt my house down", which is seemingly similar to how folks essentially acted like, "How could you burn my house down, Byleth?!"

In terms of seeing a series you grow up with changing, that's just life. Things change, even if you don't want it to.

In terms of your last line, if you really thought that's what I meant then I don't really think you understood my post. I clearly said I understand that folks are upset and why they're upset. But in terms of Sword and Shield, just like Byleth, what's done is done. The game is out. You can't change that. You can advocate for changing certain things, but advocating for something is not the same as complaining and being incredibly toxic to other people in the community.

Otherwise the most effective way to not support the changes the devs make is to simply not purchase the game. I know that's not exciting and probably not what folks want to hear, but it's the truth. Unfortunately, Sword and Shield did pretty well so that may not even be effective.

I guess my main point is that we're almost on a year of folks being mad about something they can't change, just like January will mark a year since people got mad about something they can't change. I understand in both circumstances why folks disagree with those things, but what I cannot and will not understand is expending so much energy on being angry about something they can't change. Look toward the next thing and advocate for things that way, extended bouts of anger is not the way to go- it simply isn't healthy either.