Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Will]

"Be sure to check out the Microsoft Superstars Spirit Event this week with Steve & Alex, Master Chief, The Dragonborn, Vault Boy, and The Doom Slayer!"

I sure did forget Vault Boy was a Mii Costume.

In fact, I've never seen someone play as Vault Boy since they came out. Has anyone?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I sure did forget Vault Boy was a Mii Costume.

In fact, I've never seen someone play as Vault Boy since they came out.

I just use Vault Boy for meme screenshots

 

[chocolatejr9]

This is how Ori can win

You spelt "Blinx" wrong.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Vault Boy's probably my favorite of all the deluxe mii costumes

It's just bizarre and hilarious and I love it

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

To be fair given that base game Ultimate isn't that glitchy, the experience of playing him doesn't quite feel faithful to Vault Boy's home games anyway.

 

[Will]

Vault Boy's probably my favorite of all the deluxe mii costumes

It's just bizarre and hilarious and I love it

I've literally forgotten about it for six months, that's hilarious.

 

[Teeb147]

If spirit events can get characters from already existing series, which they do, then I see it as that it's not really deconfirmation, since before or after, they could just want to have a spirit even for a franchise, maybe because of an anniversary, maybe because of another reason, etc.

Like Octopath Traveler, in example, it was for the 2nd anniversary. I don't think it puts them out of the running (though kinda doubt they'd be the yet another SE rep over others), but then they'd just have to make less spirits when a character comes out. No biggie ;p

 

[SneakyLink]

I sure did forget Vault Boy was a Mii Costume.

In fact, I've never seen someone play as Vault Boy since they came out. Has anyone?

Vault Boy is probably the least memorable of the three PreMiiums (yes that's what I am calling them) for two reasons:
1. Shock factor. While unexpected, both Sans and Cuphead were Indies (and in Cuphead's case, the studio deconfirmed him) which very little expected. Vault Boy by comparison isn't Indie and other Bethesda reps were discussed frequently.
2. Music. Vault Boy doesn't have a music track though this isn't entirely his fault. Fallout isn't really known for its music and some of it is licensed.

 

[SKX31]

There's a large segment of the fanbase that's grown more discontent with the perceived stagnation and missing features of the Pokemon titles with SwSh feeling like a culmination of that. The games will also sell well and there will be a younger enthusiastic fans for it, but for some, the games aren't really a big event anymore.

Feels like what happened to EA Sports / 2K once the stagnation became apparent (there are tons of other examples, like CoD and the original Sims). Sure, there's a massive fanbase for the sports games, but the yearly releases dampered hardcore enthusiasm, especially after Ultimate Team / MyTeam became popular. Doesn't help when EA Sports routinely introduces "new features" which are practically old ones with a new coat of paint.

Pokemon isn't in the exact same boat, but I've made this comparision in the past because there are enough similarities between the two.

I sure did forget Vault Boy was a Mii Costume.

In fact, I've never seen someone play as Vault Boy since they came out. Has anyone?

Seen it once on Spectate.

It's really rare (although most DLC Mii Costumes seem to be - especially those that don't come with a song. Vault Boy included).

To be fair given that base game Ultimate isn't that glitchy, the experience of playing him doesn't quite feel faithful to Vault Boy's home games anyway.

I swear base game Ultimate had some hilarious jan-

Edit: Apparently K. Rool had a desync glitch prior to 3.0. Here's a more extensive list (includes post-release like Min Min's T Pose and Terry's Buster Wolf Freeze glitches).

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Think we’d have a PreMiium with a music track BUT no full face mask, just a regular wig?

Gunvolt pls pls plssssss

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Vault Boy also gets extra points cuz they had nerve of releasing him alongside the 76th fighter

I refuse to believe that was a coincidence

 

[Will]

I don't think it puts them out of the running (though kinda doubt they'd be the yet another SE rep over others)

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Sorry but I can't resist bootleg Trunksposting.

 

[Teeb147]

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Yeah, Crono is an awesome retro rep. I just don't see SE agreeing on him when they don't care about the franchise much :/

 

[Will]

Yeah, Crono is an awesome retro rep. I just don't see SE agreeing on him when they don't care about the franchise much :/

We got four Toriyamas, I'm gambling for five.

 

[MooMew64]

Vault Boy also gets extra points cuz they had nerve of releasing him alongside the 76th fighter

I refuse to believe that was a coincidence

He's also our Microsoft Mii costume now.

 

[Teeb147]

He's also our Microsoft Mii costume now.

Well, I guess we didnt get any along with banjo. Surprised they didn't at least add one from the banjo universe.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If spirit events can get characters from already existing series, which they do, then I see it as that it's not really deconfirmation, since before or after, they could just want to have a spirit even for a franchise, maybe because of an anniversary, maybe because of another reason, etc.

Like Octopath Traveler, in example, it was for the 2nd anniversary. I don't think it puts them out of the running (though kinda doubt they'd be the yet another SE rep over others), but then they'd just have to make less spirits when a character comes out. No biggie ;p

It doesn't really follow that existing series within Super Smash Bros. getting Spirit Events means that they don't disconfirm. You are correct that having content already isn't going to stop them from adding more if they wish, that would be silly of them, however, this has nothing to do with the fact that the each fighter's content is planned out. If the Spirit Events were planned alongside them, then they wouldn't include DLC Spirit Board Spirits, as it would cause the Spirits on the Board to no longer be new, which would be a bad decision, especially if you included all of the major characters from it like with the Paper Mario: The Origami King Spirit Event. If they weren't, then they wouldn't pull from content they plan to release later on a whim.

No matter which way you slice it, Spirit Events are only given to games (and usually entire series) without upcoming fighters.

 

[Teeb147]

It doesn't really follow that existing series within Super Smash Bros. getting Spirit Events means that they don't disconfirm. You are correct that having content already isn't going to stop them from adding more if they wish, that would be silly of them, however, this has nothing to do with the fact that the each fighter's content is planned out. If the Spirit Events were planned alongside them, then they wouldn't include DLC Spirit Board Spirits, as it would cause the Spirits on the Board to no longer be new, which would be a bad decision, especially if you included all of the major characters from it like with the Paper Mario: The Origami King Spirit Event. If they weren't, then they wouldn't pull from content they plan to release later on a whim.

No matter which way you slice it, Spirit Events are only given to games (and usually entire series) without upcoming fighters.

It doesn't follow that getting spirit events deconfirm. Again, deconfirmation is a big claim, when they could just want to add a spirit event. Doesn't mean they can't use those spirits instead of adding new ones for a new fighter.

Seeing paper mario as deconfirmed because of a spirit event I think is kind of extreme, in example.
Someone could say it lowers the chances, but deconfirmation to me is too big of an assumption.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Again, deconfirmation is a big claim, when they could just want to add a spirit event. Doesn't mean they can't use those spirits instead of adding new ones for a new fighter.

Think about it this way: If you do a Spirit Event with content that you know is going to be locked behind paid DLC later on, then you're literally giving away said content for free. Call me crazy, but that doesn't sound like something Nintendo, or any company would want to do.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I will say, the new HW2 Impa seems like she'd work even better as a Sheik echo than the HW1 version.

i miss that Naginata though...

Like, not counting the 'new' Pokemon, like Regielec, Regidrago, etc, these are the Pokemon in the Crown Tundra dex

sigh none of my mains...

It's honestly just wild to me that after two DLC packs, they still haven't re-included Greninja - you know, the winner of the last official Pokémon popularity poll? Ahead of even The Unbeatable Leon's Invincible Charizard?

RIGHT?!

Wow, all of you seemed to be bored of it.

I kind of miss the days when people were hype for Pokemon pre-SwSh.

The only thing that I get hyped about is new Pokemon. And CT has, like, 3...

Not much to care about. And they're all Legendaries, which I only use for Pokedex completion.

For a second I though I might finally be able to get a Melmetal without needing Go, but...yeah, no...

 

[extremeturkey]

I love gold and silver but I feel like they've been remade for gba and ds, do you really want another one? lol. It's ok if you do.

they were remade for ds, not for gba. I'd love another one since they're my favorite generation. But I'd also be ok with a simple rerelease.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I will say, the new HW2 Impa seems like she'd work even better as a Sheik echo than the HW1 version.

i miss that Naginata though...

sigh none of my mains...


RIGHT?!

Relax they are gonna just patch in the starters for an event from home. After they brought back all the legendaries, I can't see them not bringing back at least Greninja.

 

[Teeb147]

Think about it this way: If you do a Spirit Event with content that you know is going to be locked behind paid DLC later on, then you're literally giving away said content for free. Call me crazy, but that doesn't sound like something Nintendo, or any company would want to do.

A company can be generous at times. I don't see spirits as that big of a deal. At least, I focus on the characters. Maybe they matter for some, but I think if someone wants the dlc they'll buy for the character mainly.

 

[RGFS]

It doesn't follow that getting spirit events deconfirm. Again, deconfirmation is a big claim, when they could just want to add a spirit event. Doesn't mean they can't use those spirits instead of adding new ones for a new fighter.

Seeing paper mario as deconfirmed because of a spirit event I think is kind of extreme, in example.
Someone could say it lowers the chances, but deconfirmation to me is too big of an assumption.

To be fair, "deconfrimation" is a made up word to begin with. It stems from confirmation. Sure, that gives it official sounding terms but that's just the lingo being used. It's just really a way of fans stating how there is likely evidence a character was not chosen. If they were a DLC fighter, they would save their Spirits for DLC board. This happened with Byleth since the DLC was decided for a pretty long time. It didn't happen with Min Min because the second batch of DLC wasn't really planned from the start so they decided to look back on at least one thing they felt was fit for becoming a fighter, if any series from Nintendo needed to get a fighter, Arms selling pretty well and being Nintendo's other fighting series made an extreme amount of sense. It's easy to say in hindsight but still.

 

[PeridotGX]

Spoiler: SwSh Datamine

I don't see what is wrong with the legendaries gimmick. What else did you want them to do? Better having legendaries than not having legendaries, am I right?

I think HGSS and B2W2 did it best. There were a lot of old legendaries, but not all of them, so the ones they did choose could have special encounters.

 

[Teeb147]

they were remade for ds, not for gba. I'd love another one since they're my favorite generation. But I'd also be ok with a simple rerelease.

That's funny, I thought I'd played them on gba, but maybe I was just using my gba for the gbc version I also urh.. played various rom hacks.
Did you see articles like these?

 

[SharkLord]

Wait, the Pokemon thing already happened? Like, just now? Huh.

Aight, Smash next week, hopefully.

 

[Teeb147]

To be fair, "deconfrimation" is a made up word to begin with. It stems from confirmation. Sure, that gives it official sounding terms but that's just the lingo being used. It's just really a way of fans stating how there is likely evidence a character was not chosen. If they were a DLC fighter, they would save their Spirits for DLC board. This happened with Byleth since the DLC was decided for a pretty long time. It didn't happen with Min Min because the second batch of DLC wasn't really planned from the start so they decided to look back on at least one thing they felt was fit for becoming a fighter, if any series from Nintendo needed to get a fighter, Arms selling pretty well and being Nintendo's other fighting series made an extreme amount of sense. It's easy to say in hindsight but still.

Lol, that's an interesting take. But pretty sure when people say deconfirmed they mean confirmed not to be in. Which is a big claim, when yes they will save the spirits for the character at times, but it doesn't mean they have to do it all the time, like if they want to celebrate an anniversary, or just want to do it, or misanalysis in the company somewhere, which can happen, though usually they're pretty good for it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wait, the Pokemon thing already happened? Like, just now? Huh.

Aight, Smash next week, hopefully.

An hour or two ago, actually.

 

[Deleted member]

Just going to make this point that cashregister9 made:

Other games exist.

 

[Teeb147]

Wait, the Pokemon thing already happened? Like, just now? Huh.

Aight, Smash next week, hopefully.

yeah. I missed it too, was sleeping. It's not long though so it's easy to watch the video, and the last part is just a cool animation they made.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Vault Boy's probably my favorite of all the deluxe mii costumes

It's just bizarre and hilarious and I love it

It also makes the most sense with the Mii Gunner moveset

 

[chocolatejr9]

Just going to make this point that cashregister9 made:

Other games exist.

WHHAAAATTTTTT???????? cue jpeg explosion

(I probably should've linked the actual meme...)

For me, at least, I just have a bit of a backlog at the moment. Bunch of games I've started, but haven't finished, y'know?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Just going to make this point that cashregister9 made:

Other games exist.

I'm getting sick of this phrase. This is SmashBoards's Newcomer DLC Speculation Thread. Not the everything else thread. Of course we're gonna talk almost exclusively about Super Smash Bros., and care most about Super Smash Bros.

If you're annoyed about people talking about Super Smash Bros., then go somewhere else.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Wait, the Pokemon thing already happened? Like, just now? Huh.

Aight, Smash next week, hopefully.

Or later this week

 

[Teeb147]

I'm getting sick of this phrase. This is SmashBoards's Newcomer DLC Speculation Thread. Not the everything else thread. Of course we're gonna talk almost exclusively about Super Smash Bros., and care most about Super Smash Bros.

If you're annoyed about people talking about Super Smash Bros., then go somewhere else.

Any game can be speculated for smash

The social thread is a good place for talk of any in general tho.

 

[extremeturkey]

WTF, is Darkrai not available in the upcoming SS update? The whole reason I picked up Pokemon Go was to get a shiny one to send into the main games :/

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Any game can be speculated for smash

Well in that case, we are talking about other games.

I get the statement in a "OK you need to get away from this and chill for a while" scenario, but completely unprompted, or repeated ad nauseam, it just sounds pompous.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm getting sick of this phrase. This is SmashBoards's Newcomer DLC Speculation Thread. Not the everything else thread. Of course we're gonna talk almost exclusively about Super Smash Bros., and care most about Super Smash Bros.

If you're annoyed about people talking about Super Smash Bros., then go somewhere else.

We get tired when people talk about Smash for everything, and pretend Smash is the only hype thing.

"Pokemon Direct? Smash?"

"Mario Direct? Smash?"

They also pretend Smash is the only hype announcement, when there are many other great games that could be releasing soon.

 

[Teeb147]

Well in that case, we are talking about other games.

I get the statement in a "OK you need to get away from this and chill for a while" scenario, but completely unprompted, or repeated ad nauseam, it just sounds pompous.

I do prefer to stick to what a discussion is about, with just a little straying here and there to lighten things.
It can be nice to hear other or new games thought about for smash anyway.