Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

What was hype about the flame wars over a bad looking tree

People had flame wars over Xurkitree? I did not see that part of the fandom pre-SwSh.

 

[Will]

People had flame wars over Xurkitree?

No, the actual tree.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Only good thing to cone out of that pokemon thing was the BUMP OF CHICKEN song. I love that band

 

[MooMew64]

NGL, Crown Tundra's release date being in October is making a Smash character releasing this upcoming month a little sus in my eyes.

Like, have they ever dropped a character release with another game's major update before? I can't remember if they have, TBH.

Either way, I'm not gonna knee jerk react to this: Next week still theoretically looks good, but I'm just gonna put it out there as food for thought. If the Smash character was coming earlier, I would think it would've been announced first. In fairness, though, TPC acts independently to Nintendo, so there could be the answer right there.

 

[Staarih]

It kinda makes me wonder what's next for Gen 8. Game Freak said the DLC is meant to replace the standard third version we've gotten in every generation except 6, so Pokemon Sharp Sword and Solid Shield aren't going to be a thing.

Gen 4 remakes seem like the next logical step, but I could see something coming out of nowhere similar to Let's Go. Maybe don't release a game in 2021 to let Gen 9 cook a little and become something truly special? No? Alright then.

I feel like GF will want something on the shelves end of next year, as they typically do each year - the definitive editions are likely their push for holidays this year. Gen 4 remakes would make sense, indeed, but you never know with GF.

 

[cashregister9]

I'm gonna be perfectly honest. I thoroughly enjoyed SwSh and gen 8 and while I want many other characters in smash a gen 8 pokemon would be pretty cool.

 

[Teeb147]

NGL, Crown Tundra's release date being in October is making a Smash character releasing this upcoming month a little sus in my eyes.

Like, have they ever dropped a character release with another game's major update before? I can't remember if they have, TBH.

Either way, I'm not gonna knee jerk react to this: Next week still theoretically looks good, but I'm just gonna put it out there as food for thought. If the Smash character was coming earlier, I would think it would've been announced first. In fairness, though, TPC acts independently to Nintendo, so there could be the answer right there.

They can still announce smash but then have a november releaes for the character.
That or not long after the pokemon dlc if it's a pokemong character.

 

[Deleted member]

No, the actual tree.

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You misread my post. I said pre-SwSh, when SwSh wasn't even known about.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The real significant time now will be tomorrow. A announcement then for a Sakurai Presents for Friday is fairly realistic. After that though its either an announcement Friday for a presentation Monday, or nothing at all.

 

[Dark Bagel]

Cause of toxicity and expectations, false hype?

Actually because of Toxtricity and Anticipation, alongside False Swipe.

 

[Teeb147]

The real significant time now will be tomorrow. A announcement then for a Sakurai Presents for Friday is fairly realistic. After that though its either an announcement Friday for a presentation Monday, or nothing at all.

Lol why nothing after?
I think it's probably going to be later, like next week or the one after.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Smh, I can't believe we're discussing Blizzard and Warcraft characters without mentioning the objective best character:

Spoiler: Everyone, get in here!

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I actually took a new build of Patron to Legend in wild last month lol.

 

[Garteam]

I feel like GF will want something on the shelves end of next year, as they typically do each year - the definitives editions are likely their push for holidays this year. Gen 4 remakes next year would make sense, indeed, but you never know with GF.

Yeah, it's become apparent that annual releases are here to stay, unfortunately. In the past decade, only one year didn't have a new mainline Pokemon game on store shelves (assuming we count SwSh definitive edition as a new game): 2015.

This wouldn't be (as big of) an issue if Game Freak's staff was a little larger than the 100 people currently employed. I don't get why Game Freak's upper management thinks that's a large team enough to develop multiple AAA games simultaneously on modern hardware. I don't have much of a formal education in business, but it seems somewhat self-evident to me that you have to expand your staff as you expand your business operations.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Lol why nothing after?
I think it's probably going to be later, like next week or the one after.

Well I meant nothing in regards to any sort of announcement this week if its not done by Friday. Given that Sakurai presents have often been announced two days in advance I figure the options are:

-Announcement tomorrow for a Friday presentation
-Announcement Friday for Monday presentation
-No announcement until next week or after

 

[Teeb147]

Well I meant nothing in regards to any sort of announcement this week if its not done by Friday. Given that Sakurai presents have often be announced two days in advance I figure the options are:

-Announcement tomorrow for Friday
-Announcement Friday for Monday
-No announcement until next week or after

Oh Yeah ok. If it's this week, yeah tomorow might be nice.
I dunno if they want to put it the same week as the pokemon dlc one, but who knows.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

NGL, Crown Tundra's release date being in October is making a Smash character releasing this upcoming month a little sus in my eyes.

Like, have they ever dropped a character release with another game's major update before? I can't remember if they have, TBH.

Either way, I'm not gonna knee jerk react to this: Next week still theoretically looks good, but I'm just gonna put it out there as food for thought. If the Smash character was coming earlier, I would think it would've been announced first. In fairness, though, TPC acts independently to Nintendo, so there could be the answer right there.

Isle of Armor and Min Min were both in June

Don't think it matters too much

 

[Garteam]

NGL, Crown Tundra's release date being in October is making a Smash character releasing this upcoming month a little sus in my eyes.

Like, have they ever dropped a character release with another game's major update before? I can't remember if they have, TBH.

Either way, I'm not gonna knee jerk react to this: Next week still theoretically looks good, but I'm just gonna put it out there as food for thought. If the Smash character was coming earlier, I would think it would've been announced first. In fairness, though, TPC acts independently to Nintendo, so there could be the answer right there.

While a Smash character has never released near a major update for another game before, Hero and Terry dropped a few days after Fire Emblem: Three Houses and Luigi's Mansion 3 dropped, so I don't think it'll be too much of an issue.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Like, have they ever dropped a character release with another game's major update before?

Smash 4 Wii U in it's entirety released on the same release day of Pokemon OR/AS. I'd argue it's a similair situation since both Smash and Pokemon are in the same phase, which this time is DLC.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I guess we should keep an eye on what’s announced tonight

if there’s brand new Spirits, or if there’s nothing, something’s up

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean Recall is literally her getting back health. That's the one I'm more so worried about.

Well if it's a problem then they could probably just get rid of the healing effect.

It's a little lame that we're returning back to the "We brought back every legendary!" gimmick from Pokemon Ultra Sun and Moon so soon. Something tells me that and the fact they're bringing back all of the remaining pseudos are going to be a talking point later today. I'm surprised they didn't go all in and bring all of the starters back if they wanted to grab the most popular groups of Pokemon.

At least the Zubat line if finally returning. It's not a Pokemon game without Zubat

It's probably something they intend to do for the rest of the series. In Gen 6, you had Hoopa, in Gen 7 you had Ultra Space, and now you have Crown Tundra. I think it's something we can expect in every generation moving forward. Shame they keep bringing back the Legendaries instead of cooling it with the Mythicals though.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: SwSh Datamine

I don't see what is wrong with the legendaries gimmick. What else did you want them to do? Better having legendaries than not having legendaries, am I right?

 

[MooMew64]

Isle of Armor was June, same as Min Min

Don't think it matters too much

Yeah, but my thought process has me thinking about how we didn't get Min Min's trailer 'till after Isle of Armor came out. We've been using this week's Pokemon news as a potential hint at Smash info due to what happened last time, but last time it took until after Pokemon's DLC came out to get something.

I think there's a good chance I'm overthinking this, and as I've said above, I'm not convinced it's a November release just yet. However, this is something I'm gonna keep in mind, personally.

All that said, next week still looks good, but I will admit, I wonder when the character will launch if it is announced next week. My guess is either the week right after, maybe on the 16th, or perhaps it's a long wait and we have to wait until the end of the month. I don't think Pikmin 3 Deluxe releasing would make them wait, so I see no problems with them dropping it at the end of the month. A three week wait would be...Disappointing, but not entirely out of the question. Guess we'll see.

 

[XorahnGaia]

NGL, Crown Tundra's release date being in October is making a Smash character releasing this upcoming month a little sus in my eyes.

Like, have they ever dropped a character release with another game's major update before? I can't remember if they have, TBH.

Either way, I'm not gonna knee jerk react to this: Next week still theoretically looks good, but I'm just gonna put it out there as food for thought. If the Smash character was coming earlier, I would think it would've been announced first. In fairness, though, TPC acts independently to Nintendo, so there could be the answer right there.

The Isle of Armour was released two weeks before Min Min, so I don't think the update itself would be too much of a problem.

At this point is all about timing: like I said yesterday, if the character is not revealed within the end of next week (or at the very latest the beginning of the week after that), then we may see another Partner Direct and the release of Crown Tundra and of Pikmin 3 Deluxe act as the next big roadblocks.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Spoiler: SwSh Datamine

I don't see what is wrong with the legendaries gimmick. What else did you want them to do? Better having legendaries than not having legendaries, am I right?

A lot of people feel like it lowers their value since they appear in every game.
EDIT: They feel less special to those types of people.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I guess we should keep an eye on what’s announced tonight

if there’s brand new Spirits, or if there’s nothing, something’s up

Was last week a Spirit Event? Just want to make sure.

 

[SneakyLink]

Was last week a Spirit Event? Just want to make sure.

Last week was Game Boy spirits.

That said we have gotten back to back spirit events (with Sw/Sh followed by RE and the One Year anniversary events). We've also gotten back to back tourneys.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Last week was Game Boy spirits.

That said we have gotten back to back spirit events (with Sw/Sh followed by RE and the One Year anniversary events). We've also gotten back to back tourneys.

There’s two different kind of events - themed (with spirits that already exist) and debut (like RE, Astral Chain, Trials of Mana etc)

I think a debut one happened before Byleth and/or Min Min

 

[chocolatejr9]

A lot of people feel like it lowers their value since they appear in every game.
EDIT: They feel less special to those types of people.

I kinda hate that sentiment, honestly. That's like saying you shouldn't rerelease a limited time character in a gacha game after new players joined said game. Give them a chance to get the limited time character, okay? It's not their fault for missing out the first time.

 

[SneakyLink]

There’s two different kind of events - themed (with spirits that already exist) and debut (like RE, Astral Chain, Trials of Mana etc)

I think a debut one happened before Byleth and/or Min Min

We've had a debut happen before Byleth. All other characters had a themed event before their reveal/release.

The Astral Chain event was also announced on a Monday instead of Tuesday.

 

[zumaddy]

There's always some possible spicy spirit board stuff before FP7, like a major third party getting spirits that would definitely come with a character as a soft deconfirm.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

There's always some possible spicy spirit board stuff before FP7, like a major third party getting spirits that would definitely come with a character as a soft deconfirm.

I always fear for new spirit events that Ace Attorney, Puyo Puyo or Bravely Default will be next.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I kinda hate that sentiment, honestly. That's like saying you shouldn't rerelease a limited time character in a gacha game after new players joined said game. Give them a chance to get the limited time character, okay? It's not their fault for missing out the first time.

And I agree with that, but I also get that these are supposed to be extremely rare Pokémon (perhaps even one of a kind) in-universe, so there's a huge narrative dissonance there when you can just go pick one up every single game without any fanfare, and these appearances are going to start feeling more and more shoehorned.

I'd personally like to see a happy medium where you can get previous legendaries, but only the ones that make sense to be actually there. Then the next game has different ones, and the next one, and so on. Or maybe you can get all of them, but each one is a bit of a production to go get. Something that sets up what their deal is and makes them seem important rather than being all like "whoa, This pool is full of legendaries! Time to start bobbing for them!".

Also get rid of Mythicals. They're stupid. Just treat them like Legendaries.

 

[SvartWolf]

and no for something completely different.
i have a video of atelier battle music that is over 5 hours long. that only include ps3 and half of teh ps4 era games. and is only battle music. no bgms, no event music, no chatacter music.. only battle music.

Atelier series have a TON of music.. like seriously a ton.. and honestly i always have had a soft spot for it.. always have felt that it almost never felt generic, not even when you got the "generic silly anime event music," is particulary generic.

Here a couple of themes i like a lot.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

There's always some possible spicy spirit board stuff before FP7, like a major third party getting spirits that would definitely come with a character as a soft deconfirm.

"Be sure to check out the Square Enix Superstars Spirit Event this week with 2B, Neku, Terra, Crono, Sora, & Lara Croft!"

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There's always some possible spicy spirit board stuff before FP7, like a major third party getting spirits that would definitely come with a character as a soft deconfirm.

Please leave TWEWY alone...

On the flip side WHY THE FLIP HASN’T AN UNDERTALE SPIRIT EVENT HAPPENED YET

you could even do the Cuphead Costume trick thing with Sans come onnnnnnnnnn

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

"Be sure to check out the Square Enix Superstars Spirit Event this week with 2B, Neku, Terra, Crono, Sora, & Lara Croft!"

THIS IS HOW GEX WINS!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

"Be sure to check out the Square Enix Superstars Spirit Event this week with 2B, Neku, Terra, Crono, Sora, & Lara Croft!"

"Be sure to check out the Microsoft Superstars Spirit Event this week with Steve & Alex, Master Chief, The Dragonborn, Vault Boy, and The Doom Slayer!"

 

[zumaddy]

I always fear for new spirit events that Ace Attorney, Puyo Puyo or Bravely Default will be next.

I want some sort of Ace Attorney rep, but it 100% feels like the type of series that would get a spirit board event only

 

[Rie Sonomura]

"Be sure to check out the Microsoft Superstars Spirit Event this week with Steve & Alex, Master Chief, The Dragonborn, Vault Boy, and The Doom Slayer!"

This is how Ori can win

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I want some sort of Ace Attorney rep, but it 100% feels like the type of series that would get a spirit board event only

This is quite the odd statement when you think about it. We've gotten just a Spirit Event from popular games like Warframe, niche ones like the River City series, and new releases like Ring Fit Adventure. What on Earth is that "type"? lol

On another note, I also agree with you, which is just as odd considering my thought process.