Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Strong-Arm]

were actually gonna get darth vader as the soul calibur rep

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Imagine this as a mii:

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Actually, we're getting this Soulcalibur character...

... who also doubles as a Mortal Kombat character.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd rather have this soulcalibur character, personally.

But even that pic has CERO grumbling.

They can censor that. I think 2B's chances are fine.

 

[N3ON]

I highly agree with this opinion, this is my preferred Soul Calibur rep.


But oh man the implications of her getting in would be fun to watch the fallout unfold.

I wish Smashboards had a macro that automatically changed the word 'fallout' to 'vault boy' whenever it was typed.

 

[Strong-Arm]

i think another reason i want nightmare is just to see him fight link again

 

[Shroob]

I wish Smashboards had a macro that automatically changed the word 'fallout' to 'vault boy' whenever it was typed.

Why stop there?

Get the person who cropped Sans to crop the Vault Boy mii costume to be an emote and have the emote self insert itself.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

were actually gonna get darth vader as the soul calibur rep

Actually, we're getting Yoda. He pancakes in all of his ending lag. Have fun competitive players!

 

[cashregister9]

Actually, we're getting Yoda. He pancakes in all of his ending lag. Have fun competitive players!

Actually we are getting Galen Marek

 

[Shroob]

Actually, we're getting Yoda. He pancakes in all of his ending lag. Have fun competitive players!

"Hmmm, destroy competitive, I must. Make Joker my *****, I will. Hit Pikachu with my Honda Civic, I shall."

 

[SKX31]

I wish Smashboards had a macro that automatically changed the word 'fallout' to 'vault boy' whenever it was typed.

Why stop there?

Get the person who cropped Sans to crop the Vault Boy mii costume to be an emote and have the emote self insert itself.

Why stop there? We could make emotes out of... whatever the hell this ad is:

mobile game ads are wild pic.twitter.com/3EVRiIlmAW

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) September 26, 2020

Actually, we're getting Yoda. He pancakes in all of his ending lag. Have fun competitive players!

Bonus points if his fighting style is that of Episode II where he flips and bounces everywhere.

 

[Shadowvegeta]

Imagine this as a mii:
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I would hope he'd become an actual fighter but any Digimon content in smash would be great.

 

[Slime Master]

I just thought about the possibility that Hatsune Miku gets a mii costume...
The real kicker here is that I actually think that could happen.

 

[Shroob]

I just thought about the possibility that Hatsune Miku gets a mii costume...
The real kicker here is that I actually think that could happen.

I wonder how that'd work considering her start as not only hardware, but 3rd party hardware.

I've considered Miku for playable as an absolute crackbrain idea before, but man, her music licensing rights would be crazy.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Agumon is easily my first Bamco choice, but Nightmare and Lloyd Irving are also pretty sweet options. There's a lot of cool Bamco characters nonetheless.

That said, Agumon's biggest issue is transformations. Hardly impossible to do, but it'd certainly take a lot of time to work. I'd imagine he'd be a base game character so they can spend over a year perfecting lag/etc. issues with it. Especially as we're talking 2 or 3 more at most(depending if WarGreymon is used, and if he's a Final Smash or a 3rd transformation). I honestly imagine he's more likely as a costume this time around. An Agumon hat would still be great. Also, if Nightmare isn't playable, he should be a Mii Swordfighter costume.

 

[Slime Master]

I wonder how that'd work considering her start as not only hardware, but 3rd party hardware.

I've considered Miku for playable as an absolute crackbrain idea before, but man, her music licensing rights would be crazy.

Yeah, playable seems like a stretch to me. But a mii costume actually seems reasonable. wouldn't even necessarily need the music
This would also mean you could make sansune miku

 

[cashregister9]

I wonder how that'd work considering her start as not only hardware, but 3rd party hardware.

I've considered Miku for playable as an absolute crackbrain idea before, but man, her music licensing rights would be crazy.

I never really thought about but to add Hatsune Miku and some songs featured in Project Diva they would need permission from
-SEGA
-Yamaha
-Crypton Future Media
-Every Single Producer who has a song featured

I love Miku and she would be hype AF for smash but has a low chance of happening, A mii costume on the other hand

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Something to think about here, randomly occurred to me as I was playing Smash, and thinking about Mario Sunshine because I just 100%’d Mario 64.

So, every Smash title adds the latest and greatest 1st party content from the previous generation. Brawl brought in content from GameCube games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi’s Mansion, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Smash WiiU brought in Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.

With Byleth and Min Min, we now have two newer Switch titles represented within Challenger Packs. This is also usually how newcomers are treated in proper Smash installments: characters from a previous generation, complete with a stage and music to finish up the representation.

I know what you’re thinking- Byleth and Min Min are current generation characters. Why does that matter? Well, consider this: what if, based on the fact that many of the most important Nintendo characters are already in, Nintendo is trying to “future proof” some of their own properties that still fit within the Challenger Pack framework? I’ve mentioned this before in thinking they might have wanted to focus on Switch characters/titles, but this adds more to the context of a future Smash focusing on Switch as a generation.

Who does this benefit? There are two characters, I think in particular, are benefited by this: a Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/Rex. Both are titles that are among the best in the Switch first party library, and neither have a stage or extensive selections of music in Ultimate (yes, I am aware XC2 has music, but it can easily be expanded upon).

This thought process comes with two specific issues: Rex is already a promotional Mii costume, so it might seem odd to offer him fro purchasing Volume 1 AND as a playable selection in Pass 2, and then Pokémon has had their spirit event, which is notable considering Three Houses did not and received a playable character.

Now, I’m not gonna say this is like some 100% infallible concept. But I don’t think it’s crazy to consider it. Given the fact that Smash has essentially reached a point of no return with character additions, this may be the way for Nintendo to “future proof” Ultimate as even the NEXT generation of Smash given the gallery of characters they’ve generated this generation. We already have Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Three Houses, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Splatoon 1/2, but do not have Pokémon Sword & Shield, nor do we have a stage from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Why didn’t I include DKCTF or Kirby Star Allies? Well, it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh are closer to Three Houses in that casts/locales change from title to title, where one protagonist doesn’t already stand out. For TF, we have Donkey Kong. For Star Allies, we have Kirby. It isn’t to say we can’t get Dixie or BWD, but it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh both fit the framework of character + stage + music better than games/ series that have substantial content already (though XC2 has substantial spirits- perhaps they would dip into Torna?)

What are our thoughts?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Plot twist

What if Fighter 11 was actually just Echoes?

The Dolphin?

 

[Shroob]

Something to think about here, randomly occurred to me as I was playing Smash, and thinking about Mario Sunshine because I just 100%’d Mario 64.

So, every Smash title adds the latest and greatest 1st party content from the previous generation. Brawl brought in content from GameCube games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi’s Mansion, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Smash WiiU brought in Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.

With Byleth and Min Min, we now have two newer Switch titles represented within Challenger Packs. This is also usually how newcomers are treated in proper Smash installments: characters from a previous generation, complete with a stage and music to finish up the representation.

I know what you’re thinking- Byleth and Min Min are current generation characters. Why does that matter? Well, consider this: what if, based on the fact that many of the most important Nintendo characters are already in, Nintendo is trying to “future proof” some of their own properties that still fit within the Challenger Pack framework? I’ve mentioned this before in thinking they might have wanted to focus on Switch characters/titles, but this adds more to the context of a future Smash focusing on Switch as a generation.

Who does this benefit? There are two characters, I think in particular, are benefited by this: a Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/Rex. Both are titles that are among the best in the Switch first party library, and neither have a stage or extensive selections of music in Ultimate (yes, I am aware XC2 has music, but it can easily be expanded upon).

This thought process comes with two specific issues: Rex is already a promotional Mii costume, so it might seem odd to offer him fro purchasing Volume 1 AND as a playable selection in Pass 2, and then Pokémon has had their spirit event, which is notable considering Three Houses did not and received a playable character.

Now, I’m not gonna say this is like some 100% infallible concept. But I don’t think it’s crazy to consider it. Given the fact that Smash has essentially reached a point of no return with character additions, this may be the way for Nintendo to “future proof” Ultimate as even the NEXT generation of Smash given the gallery of characters they’ve generated this generation. We already have Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Three Houses, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Splatoon 1/2, but do not have Pokémon Sword & Shield, nor do we have a stage from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Why didn’t I include DKCTF or Kirby Star Allies? Well, it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh are closer to Three Houses in that casts/locales change from title to title, where one protagonist doesn’t already stand out. For TF, we have Donkey Kong. For Star Allies, we have Kirby. It isn’t to say we can’t get Dixie or BWD, but it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh both fit the framework of character + stage + music better than games/ series that have substantial content already (though XC2 has substantial spirits- perhaps they would dip into Torna?)

What are our thoughts?

....I mean, there's a reason Rex and a Gen 8 Pokemon are brought up all the time already as is lol.

 

[Shadowvegeta]

Agumon is easily my first Bamco choice, but Nightmare and Lloyd Irving are also pretty sweet options. There's a lot of cool Bamco characters nonetheless.

That said, Agumon's biggest issue is transformations. Hardly impossible to do, but it'd certainly take a lot of time to work. I'd imagine he'd be a base game character so they can spend over a year perfecting lag/etc. issues with it. Especially as we're talking 2 or 3 more at most(depending if WarGreymon is used, and if he's a Final Smash or a 3rd transformation). I honestly imagine he's more likely as a costume this time around. An Agumon hat would still be great. Also, if Nightmare isn't playable, he should be a Mii Swordfighter costume.

Agumon would be tricky, but that's the best part about it because he'd be very unique. A digivolving mechanic would be very interesting to see. Or you know just make it a pokemon trainer situation and have a tamer with agumon and gabumon playable. However having digivolving in the moveset would probably be a very unique gimmick and the best way to represent a digimon character so I hope its just Agumon.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I just want to go on record that I think a Mario character could very well come next, or be CP8.


But if it's not shown off to be one, and we don't see CP8 before this tournament... I just don't see us getting one period. It feels like if you're actually going to make a big deal out of this Tournament, it's now or never. I can 100% understand if CP7 isn't one that CP8 could be, but delayed cause lolCovid and shown off ala Joker, but if we get CP7 and it's not one, and we hear nothing of CP8 by this tournament, then ehhhhh.


CP7 could very well be a Mario character, but if it's not, I'm going to be very, very skeptical.

I dunno- we got Byleth at the end of the pass- which not only seems odd (given the clarity almost directly stated that it would disappoint a lot of people), but also, we got it a long while after Fire Emblem came out. I could see a Mario character coming anytime between now and the 'end of the anniversary' in March; in fact I almost would think that would be more likely, to give Mario a final push towards the end, especially for sales. This seemed to be the reasoning with Byleth, to wait for a second push.

 

[Shroob]

I dunno- we got Byleth at the end of the pass- which not only seems odd (given the clarity almost directly stated that it would disappoint a lot of people), but also, we got it a long while after Fire Emblem came out. I could see a Mario character coming anytime between now and the 'end of the anniversary' in March; in fact I almost would think that would be more likely, to give Mario a final push towards the end, especially for sales. This seemed to be the reasoning with Byleth, to wait for a second push.

Considering our current schedule, that'd put that character as Challenger Pack 8 most likely, since I think everyone can agree this year's done after CP7.


So we won't be able to say for sure until sometime next year, unless we get a Joker-like teaser for CP8, which I already accounted for.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As I said before- considering Nintendo knows the Smash DLC and has a Mario tournament scheduled that features “everything Mario” I personally think it’d be a bit odd to have a tournament that features “everything Mario” and then add a character after, thus making the tournament that is “everything Mario” not actually a tournament with “everything Mario”.

Considering the time between reveals, my guess is a Mario character is either next, or not at all. If a highlight of the 35th anniversary is Mario, and you’re focused on Mario during a tourney, why wouldn’t you add that character for the tourney in question?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Agumon would be tricky, but that's the best part about it because he'd be very unique. A digivolving mechanic would be very interesting to see. Or you know just make it a pokemon trainer situation and have a tamer with agumon and gabumon playable. However having digivolving in the moveset would probably be a very unique gimmick and the best way to represent a digimon character so I hope its just Agumon.

The cool thing about Digimon is that it has such various gameplay and media that there's many ways to represent it. Digimon are raised akin to a Tamagotchi, can Digivolve, but also are able to fuse/DNA with others(similar, but different mechanics), and even can be brought as an army thanks to the shows introducing the concept in Fusion/Xros Wars. Though to be clear, the idea of having a team was way back in Digimon World 2 as well as Digimon The Movie(3rd part. I forget its exact name, with Wendigomon etc.)

So there's a lot of things you can do. You could easily have taunts of a Digimon being fed a treat alone, digivolution, a switch out mechanic, even full out Warp Evolution for Final Smashes. Even Agumon and Gabumon, who can Warp DNA Digivolve into Omnimon(introduced in the same movie with Imperialdramon Paladin Mode) is a thing. There's a lot.

That said, I could imagine Agumon directly using Yoshi as a base, and even some of the tail moves possibly. Greymon is more difficult to say, especially with that long tail. Possibly Ridley or Charizard. Sure, no wings, but MetalGreymon is much more massively different and actually has more in comparison with Bowser's options at that point. WarGreymon I'm not sure who would logically work as a base, outside of a Final Smash cutscene. If it'd be more like a temporary power-up like Arsene, he'd need somebody that fits his unique style. But assuming he's more of a normal transformation, I could see some bits of Wolf being used, and Terra Force could be retooled from Charge Shot?

Gabumon is a bit more difficult at times. I honestly am not sure who he could really be based upon. Garurumon is a similar issue, though maybe bits of Duck Hunt could work. WereGarurumon easily could use Wolf a bit, but moreso could take notes from Ryu as well. MetalGarurumon is also difficult to say. But then again, many could be made from scratch as is.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I dunno- we got Byleth at the end of the pass- which not only seems odd (given the clarity almost directly stated that it would disappoint a lot of people), but also, we got it a long while after Fire Emblem came out. I could see a Mario character coming anytime between now and the 'end of the anniversary' in March; in fact I almost would think that would be more likely, to give Mario a final push towards the end, especially for sales. This seemed to be the reasoning with Byleth, to wait for a second push.

I agree with this. For all we know, schedules could have been mixed around this year, so a hypothetical Mario character may not have been able to coincide with the big September Mario celebration if that was ever a plan at all.

Sure, maybe it'd be odd for a Mario character to be announced after the Mario tournament, but, as you've stated, the whole Mario 35th celebration is ending in March, so it wouldn't be that weird for the character to be announced around then.

I don't think a Mario character would necessarily be a likely outcome, but at the same time, I don't think we should completely close the books on a potential Mario character going forward if they aren't the 7th DLC character.

 

[7NATOR]

Something to think about here, randomly occurred to me as I was playing Smash, and thinking about Mario Sunshine because I just 100%’d Mario 64.

So, every Smash title adds the latest and greatest 1st party content from the previous generation. Brawl brought in content from GameCube games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi’s Mansion, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Smash WiiU brought in Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.

With Byleth and Min Min, we now have two newer Switch titles represented within Challenger Packs. This is also usually how newcomers are treated in proper Smash installments: characters from a previous generation, complete with a stage and music to finish up the representation.

I know what you’re thinking- Byleth and Min Min are current generation characters. Why does that matter? Well, consider this: what if, based on the fact that many of the most important Nintendo characters are already in, Nintendo is trying to “future proof” some of their own properties that still fit within the Challenger Pack framework? I’ve mentioned this before in thinking they might have wanted to focus on Switch characters/titles, but this adds more to the context of a future Smash focusing on Switch as a generation.

Who does this benefit? There are two characters, I think in particular, are benefited by this: a Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/Rex. Both are titles that are among the best in the Switch first party library, and neither have a stage or extensive selections of music in Ultimate (yes, I am aware XC2 has music, but it can easily be expanded upon).

This thought process comes with two specific issues: Rex is already a promotional Mii costume, so it might seem odd to offer him fro purchasing Volume 1 AND as a playable selection in Pass 2, and then Pokémon has had their spirit event, which is notable considering Three Houses did not and received a playable character.

Now, I’m not gonna say this is like some 100% infallible concept. But I don’t think it’s crazy to consider it. Given the fact that Smash has essentially reached a point of no return with character additions, this may be the way for Nintendo to “future proof” Ultimate as even the NEXT generation of Smash given the gallery of characters they’ve generated this generation. We already have Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Three Houses, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Splatoon 1/2, but do not have Pokémon Sword & Shield, nor do we have a stage from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Why didn’t I include DKCTF or Kirby Star Allies? Well, it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh are closer to Three Houses in that casts/locales change from title to title, where one protagonist doesn’t already stand out. For TF, we have Donkey Kong. For Star Allies, we have Kirby. It isn’t to say we can’t get Dixie or BWD, but it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh both fit the framework of character + stage + music better than games/ series that have substantial content already (though XC2 has substantial spirits- perhaps they would dip into Torna?)

What are our thoughts?

I'm kinda confused. Are you saying that There's likely chance that they are focusing on Switch characters for the DLC like for example, Wii U/3DS characters were focused on in terms of the base roster with Inkling, Isabelle, and Incinearoar?



I mean, that's a good hypothesis. with that being said, It's unknown how far they would go with that though. Astral Chain and Ring Fit are completely new I.Ps, that originated on Switch and yet they are just Spirit Events. No Music, No Stage, Not even Costumes. Sword and Shield and Rex are already represented in the game. Whether they want to go further and add in a character is up to interpretation and also Patience.

I dunno- we got Byleth at the end of the pass- which not only seems odd (given the clarity almost directly stated that it would disappoint a lot of people), but also, we got it a long while after Fire Emblem came out. I could see a Mario character coming anytime between now and the 'end of the anniversary' in March; in fact I almost would think that would be more likely, to give Mario a final push towards the end, especially for sales. This seemed to be the reasoning with Byleth, to wait for a second push.

For Byleth, I see it as Capitalizing on People still playing 3 Houses, since DLC for the game was coming out so people were still sticking with it. Adds more attention to Smash and also more attention to Fire Emblem, but I think it Benefits Smash more. But yeah I'm also sure we got Byleth in the end of pass as well since Byleth is usually considered the least exciting Addition

In Mario's Case, I guess it would be weird that they have the tournament coming Relatively soon. If they want to give it that push, I think it would be best to have the Tournament in March-April as well. After all, Some events like the Splatoon one are going into 2021.

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno- we got Byleth at the end of the pass- which not only seems odd (given the clarity almost directly stated that it would disappoint a lot of people), but also, we got it a long while after Fire Emblem came out.

It is as if Nintendo tried to make people as salty as possible, and it worked.

Really though, I think Byleth was a nice addition.

 

[Shroob]

I agree with this. For all we know, schedules could have been mixed around this year, so a hypothetical Mario character may not have been able to coincide with the big September Mario celebration if that was ever a plan at all.

Sure, maybe it'd be odd for a Mario character to be announced after the Mario tournament, but, as you've stated, the whole Mario 35th celebration is ending in March, so it wouldn't be that weird for the character to be announced around then.

I don't think a Mario character would necessarily be a likely outcome, but at the same time, I don't think we should completely close the books on a potential Mario character going forward if they aren't the 7th DLC character.

Schedules may have been mixed around sure, but the Mario 35th thing was always going to be this year, that's kinda undeniable.

I imagine once they figured out what characters that they were going to include, it'd be pretty easy to plan out who goes where.

 

[PeridotGX]

i still think there would be more to gain from promoting PMD in Smash than SWSH. Main series Pokemon sells millions on it's first day on the market, but the spinoffs need a bit of a push. And it's not like a spinoff character would be completely weird, someone who's never played PMD in their life could see Grovyle and think "ah. I used one of those in Emerald. Cool"

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Something to think about here, randomly occurred to me as I was playing Smash, and thinking about Mario Sunshine because I just 100%’d Mario 64.

So, every Smash title adds the latest and greatest 1st party content from the previous generation. Brawl brought in content from GameCube games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi’s Mansion, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Smash WiiU brought in Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.

With Byleth and Min Min, we now have two newer Switch titles represented within Challenger Packs. This is also usually how newcomers are treated in proper Smash installments: characters from a previous generation, complete with a stage and music to finish up the representation.

I know what you’re thinking- Byleth and Min Min are current generation characters. Why does that matter? Well, consider this: what if, based on the fact that many of the most important Nintendo characters are already in, Nintendo is trying to “future proof” some of their own properties that still fit within the Challenger Pack framework? I’ve mentioned this before in thinking they might have wanted to focus on Switch characters/titles, but this adds more to the context of a future Smash focusing on Switch as a generation.

Who does this benefit? There are two characters, I think in particular, are benefited by this: a Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/Rex. Both are titles that are among the best in the Switch first party library, and neither have a stage or extensive selections of music in Ultimate (yes, I am aware XC2 has music, but it can easily be expanded upon).

This thought process comes with two specific issues: Rex is already a promotional Mii costume, so it might seem odd to offer him fro purchasing Volume 1 AND as a playable selection in Pass 2, and then Pokémon has had their spirit event, which is notable considering Three Houses did not and received a playable character.

Now, I’m not gonna say this is like some 100% infallible concept. But I don’t think it’s crazy to consider it. Given the fact that Smash has essentially reached a point of no return with character additions, this may be the way for Nintendo to “future proof” Ultimate as even the NEXT generation of Smash given the gallery of characters they’ve generated this generation. We already have Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Three Houses, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Splatoon 1/2, but do not have Pokémon Sword & Shield, nor do we have a stage from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Why didn’t I include DKCTF or Kirby Star Allies? Well, it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh are closer to Three Houses in that casts/locales change from title to title, where one protagonist doesn’t already stand out. For TF, we have Donkey Kong. For Star Allies, we have Kirby. It isn’t to say we can’t get Dixie or BWD, but it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh both fit the framework of character + stage + music better than games/ series that have substantial content already (though XC2 has substantial spirits- perhaps they would dip into Torna?)

What are our thoughts?

My only concern would be when Nintendo wants to launch a new generation. As of now, every indication shows that they want the Switch to continue for another two or three years. They could be thinking about Smash on the next system, but if the decision is to port this one like they did with Mario Kart 8, I wouldn't think that decision would be happening yet. Maybe they are thinking that it's a possibility and are adding characters from major releases to account for that, but I think it's just as likely that they have no idea what they want to do with the series next time and are adding characters because they have no plans. After all, Inkling was held back for Ultimate while the developers knew that Ultimate was going to be a thing.

I could see it going either way, honestly. Add new characters so that the game will be up to date when we rerelease it, or add new characters because there's no reason to hold off on them. Both sound plausible to me.

 

[Arcanir]

Agumon is easily my first Bamco choice, but Nightmare and Lloyd Irving are also pretty sweet options. There's a lot of cool Bamco characters nonetheless.

That said, Agumon's biggest issue is transformations. Hardly impossible to do, but it'd certainly take a lot of time to work. I'd imagine he'd be a base game character so they can spend over a year perfecting lag/etc. issues with it. Especially as we're talking 2 or 3 more at most(depending if WarGreymon is used, and if he's a Final Smash or a 3rd transformation). I honestly imagine he's more likely as a costume this time around. An Agumon hat would still be great. Also, if Nightmare isn't playable, he should be a Mii Swordfighter costume.

I feel with Agumon the best way to approach the character is to start with trying to implement him and Greymon first and then work from there. Greymon has the same overall body type (minus size of course) and only a couple new additions to his kit that Agumon wouldn't have, so he wouldn't require too many changes to adapt the base moveset to him. The most complicated part would be shifting the stats, hitboxes, and hurtboxes accordingly, but if they pulled it off it would at least give a good base to show what the character can do. After that, then they could try to build on him further with MetalGreymon.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Late, but I apologize for my mental breakdown I had some hours ago.

I think I freaked out for nothing there.

Anyways...

Trust me, there will not be any echo-fighters in FP2.

Shiny...I was joking. Stop taking things seriously all the time

A shrine stage would be really pretty in Super Smash Bros.'s artstyle methinks.

Still don't think Impa's really on the table though...

Impa never got enough love for Smash. The same for Dixie

 

[N3ON]

Something to think about here, randomly occurred to me as I was playing Smash, and thinking about Mario Sunshine because I just 100%’d Mario 64.

So, every Smash title adds the latest and greatest 1st party content from the previous generation. Brawl brought in content from GameCube games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi’s Mansion, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Smash WiiU brought in Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.

With Byleth and Min Min, we now have two newer Switch titles represented within Challenger Packs. This is also usually how newcomers are treated in proper Smash installments: characters from a previous generation, complete with a stage and music to finish up the representation.

I know what you’re thinking- Byleth and Min Min are current generation characters. Why does that matter? Well, consider this: what if, based on the fact that many of the most important Nintendo characters are already in, Nintendo is trying to “future proof” some of their own properties that still fit within the Challenger Pack framework? I’ve mentioned this before in thinking they might have wanted to focus on Switch characters/titles, but this adds more to the context of a future Smash focusing on Switch as a generation.

Who does this benefit? There are two characters, I think in particular, are benefited by this: a Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/Rex. Both are titles that are among the best in the Switch first party library, and neither have a stage or extensive selections of music in Ultimate (yes, I am aware XC2 has music, but it can easily be expanded upon).

This thought process comes with two specific issues: Rex is already a promotional Mii costume, so it might seem odd to offer him fro purchasing Volume 1 AND as a playable selection in Pass 2, and then Pokémon has had their spirit event, which is notable considering Three Houses did not and received a playable character.

Now, I’m not gonna say this is like some 100% infallible concept. But I don’t think it’s crazy to consider it. Given the fact that Smash has essentially reached a point of no return with character additions, this may be the way for Nintendo to “future proof” Ultimate as even the NEXT generation of Smash given the gallery of characters they’ve generated this generation. We already have Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Three Houses, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Splatoon 1/2, but do not have Pokémon Sword & Shield, nor do we have a stage from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Why didn’t I include DKCTF or Kirby Star Allies? Well, it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh are closer to Three Houses in that casts/locales change from title to title, where one protagonist doesn’t already stand out. For TF, we have Donkey Kong. For Star Allies, we have Kirby. It isn’t to say we can’t get Dixie or BWD, but it seems to me that XC2 and Sw/Sh both fit the framework of character + stage + music better than games/ series that have substantial content already (though XC2 has substantial spirits- perhaps they would dip into Torna?)

What are our thoughts?

I don't think it is possible to future proof a Smash game. You can make it as up-to-date as possible, but even with Nintendo basically doing that this time, you already have Ring Fit and Astral Chain both likely set to expand and flourish and stand a real chance at inclusion next time if they do.

Plus, you have all the other series which will continue to proceed as ever. There will be new Pokemon, FE and Xenoblade casts, and some dormant series or characters might even get revived. Plus, we're probably going to get at least another successful IP or two before the next Smash starts to take shape.

I think Nintendo will always aim to keep Smash current - which they can do even more effectively now with DLC, but future-proofing isn't really feasible as long as Nintendo perpetuates itself. Unless I've misunderstood what you're saying.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

i still think there would be more to gain from promoting PMD in Smash than SWSH. Main series Pokemon sells millions on it's first day on the market, but the spinoffs need a bit of a push. And it's not like a spinoff character would be completely weird, someone who's never played PMD in their life could see Grovyle and think "ah. I used one of those in Emerald. Cool"

Why isn’t Grovyle considered? The perfect PMD rep that’s also 3rd Gen

it’s a win-win

 

[7NATOR]

Honestly, If the Next characters (FP7, or FP8) are from Already Represented Franchises (represented in that they already have a character) , Ones like Mario, Xenoblade, Pokemon, etc. I Kind of would be worried about the Pass

Either Most of the pass is Also Represented Franchises, or the New Franchises that are in the pass are more niche and not some of the big heavy hitters like Sora, Crash, Chief, etc. not to say this result would be bad, but just that many people would have too high expectations

 

[PeridotGX]

Why isn’t Grovyle considered? The perfect PMD rep that’s also 3rd Gen

it’s a win-win

it's a symptom of the Pokemon selection process (and also kinda FE). We only get Pokemon from the latest gen, which means we only talk about Pokemon from the latest gen. Decidueye and Lycanroc? Old news, we now herald Rillaboom and Toxtricity. I only talk about Grovyle because there's a very, very specific line of logic that could lead to it's inclusion.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why isn’t Grovyle considered? The perfect PMD rep that’s also 3rd Gen

it’s a win-win

The issue is that Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX's success was unprecedented, and happened after the pass was decided. If we do get a character from the series, it will be the result of a huge gamble on Nintendo's part, especially since Grovyle isn't even in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX.

I highly doubt we'll get a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon character.

it's a symptom of the Pokemon selection process (and also kinda FE). We only get Pokemon from the latest gen, which means we only talk about Pokemon from the latest gen. Decidueye and Lycanroc? Old news, we now herald Rillaboom and Toxtricity. I only talk about Grovyle because there's a very, very specific line of logic that could lead to it's inclusion.

All of the rotating cast series get character picks in this way. Except for The Legend of Zelda series, which doesn't get anything since the Triforce trio is in all of the games.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Schedules may have been mixed around sure, but the Mario 35th thing was always going to be this year, that's kinda undeniable.

I imagine once they figured out what characters that they were going to include, it'd be pretty easy to plan out who goes where.

You're right. I'm talking about hypothetical delays anyway, so I'm likely wrong on that front. The main idea I was trying to get at, though, is that if CP7 isn't a Mario character, there might be a Mario character down the road with some kind of explanation as to why they weren't revealed during this time. At the end of the day, we don't know, and I don't like completely closing the books on certain character choices, so if CP7 isn't Mario related, I won't completely discredit a Mario inclusion down the road.

Not sure if I'm making sense, I'm very tired at the moment.

 

[Deleted member]

This thought process comes with two specific issues: Rex is already a promotional Mii costume, so it might seem odd to offer him fro purchasing Volume 1 AND as a playable selection in Pass 2, and then Pokémon has had their spirit event, which is notable considering Three Houses did not and received a playable character.


What are our thoughts?

Good post as always, Jonesy.

I am pretty mixed for Rex. They chose Byleth over Rex, despite Xenoblade Chronicles 2 being released earlier than Three Houses. Sure, it was timing, but Three Houses was released two years after Xenoblade Chronicles 2. However, considering spirits no longer deconfirm, and Sakurai already acknowledging Rex in FP1, I would say Rex has a nice advantage there. One side tells me he is very likely, and another tells me he isn't in. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will always be cursed by timing. However, this curse will be broken if Rex gets in.

A new Pokemon on the other hand, I would say the spirit event hinders them quite a bit. I am not saying they aren't impossible, but I am not counting on us getting a new Pokemon in FP2.