Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Megadoomer]

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I pick Klonoa, Geno, Crash Bandicoot, Travis Touchdown and Phoenix Wright.

My picks would be Geno, Dante, Travis Touchdown, 2B, and Ryu Hayabusa. I have a type when it comes to characters (seeing as 4/5 of those are from M-rated action games), though there are some that I nearly included. (Agumon, Morrigan, Amaterasu, Conker, or Rayman)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Since this seems to be the case, we'll probably be getting FP7 sometime between now and the 21st of October.

 

[zferolie]

An FGO character would be amazing because a) I like FGO and b) the announcement would make the Smash community go completely feral

If we get someone from fate, its most likely Artoria, with the wildcard being Nero, or even Mashu if they are really focusing on FGO. And yes the feralness would be hilarious

Not much, aside from Age of Calamity that will be out in November.

What time tomorrow should be that stream about the game?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And besides, releasing CP7 in October would leave Nintendo with nothing to promote in the last two months of the year aside from Age of Calamity and 2021 titles.

You suggestin' they're gonna reveal the character in November or December?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Probably Bad Smash Character Ideas: Azura. Her Final Smash in a cinematic where she dances and the opponent(s) are inflicted with increasing discomfort.

I'd totally be down for Azura, not gonna lie.

-hides in bunker for saying yes to a Fire Emblem character-

 

[RileyXY1]

You suggestin' they're gonna reveal the character in November or December?

Possibly. I don't know.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

My random prediction for the next character reveal that has no basis is next Wednesday. It's just a gut feeling.

 

[Deleted member]

Rex is in an interesting spot.

Previously, his chances for FP1 were gutted because of timing.

However, FP2 is post-release, so Rex is now in the running. We will see if Xenoblade Chronicles 2 breaks the curse of time it has.

 

[SKX31]

As a European I can't even play this game. Or is it because I live in Germany? Either way the game is not available where I live and I would really hate if this game gets a playable character in Smash.

Also about Bandana Dee:

I don't want to live in a world where Bandana Dee is playable but Dixie is not. Thats just me though.

I think many gatcha games are banned in many parts of europe due to those new anti gambling laws.

Actually, I think it's just Granblue Fantasy. As far as I know, they haven't made any plans to release the game in Europe even though it's already in English, which likely means they're happy with their current playerbase, which means they certainly wouldn't care enough to promote it with a fighter.

Fate GO doesn't appear to have an EU release, no. From what I can personally gather, it seems that the way to get it if one's interested is via third party app stores - although that can be a hassle in itself, so it's wise to be careful there.

As for why it isn't released... while there are no unified EU gambling laws, there's been movement to impose stricter laws there after the Battlefront II fiasco. The Netherlands and Belgium were especially active on this front, with both parliaments passing laws that classified lootboxes as gambling and thus restricted or even forbade paying real money for lootboxes. Nintendo closed down Pocket Camp and FE Heroes in Belgium as a result. Even EA eventually complied with the Belgian Commission.

And the EU published a report in July, saying that lootboxes should be considered a consumer protection issue - they straight up mentioned NBA 2K20's trailer as an example of a game with casino-like elements:

The European Union should approach loot boxes from a consumer protection perspective rather than a gambling one, a recent study has recommended.

Conducted on behalf of the EU Internal Market and Consumer Protection committee, 'Loot boxes in online games and their effect on consumers, in particular young consumers' is among the most comprehensive loot box investigations to date, and outlines "problematic design features" of current industry monetisation and engagement mechanics.

Even if the EU (or other governments like France's and Germany's) don't neccessarily see lootboxes as gambling, they still generally see the matter as worth investigating further. Couple that with the EU report, and the Games Industry quote is apt IMO: " The jury may still be out on the extent and nature of harm these strategies cause, but there is blood in the water and the regulators are circling. "

It's saying something when the UK's House of Lords - despite current events - also launched a similar investigation, concluding that: "Ministers should make regulations under section 6(6) of the Gambling Act 2005 specifying that loot boxes and any other similar games are games of chance, without waiting for the Government’s wider review of the Gambling Act."

So yeah, that's a major reason why many gacha games don't release here. The EU and related governments take a much harsher stance on lootboxes (and IMHO, there is a valid argument to be made, especially considering FIFA) and gacha would likely fall under similar problems.

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I pick Klonoa, Geno, Crash Bandicoot, Travis Touchdown and Phoenix Wright.

Out of those, I pick Chief, KOS-MOS, Dante, Reimu and Crash.

Yes, all third parties. I don't really have a particular first party favorite outside of Ring Fit, who has been... Spirited Away.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You suggestin' they're gonna reveal the character in November or December?

And why would they do that if there's nothing in October aside from FP7?

Again unless something is pulled out of nowhere.

 

[zferolie]

Rex is in an interesting spot.

Previously, his chances for FP1 were gutted because of timing.

However, FP2 is post-release, so Rex is now in the running. We will see if Xenoblade Chronicles 2 breaks the curse of time it has.

Rexs chances all hinge on if Sakurai feels that he deserves to be included since he barely missed out. Hopefully he does, as i would like another or more true duel character as we have nothing since ice climbers

 

[RileyXY1]

And why would they do that if there's nothing in October aside from FP7?

Again unless something is pulled out of nowhere.

Pikmin 3 Deluxe is coming out in October, as well as possibly the Crown Tundra.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, this is interesting.

Fire Emblem: Three Houses released two years after Xenoblade Chronicles 2 did. Rex's chances were gutted pre-FP2 due to timing, but Byleth got in FP1.

Hmm...

 

[MooMew64]

Animal Crossing update looks amazing. Nintendo, for the love of all that is good, PLEASE have those color contacts have a yellow option. I neeeed it.

As it stands, now Pokemon news is the final boss. Next week is gonna be a doozy.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Pikmin 3 Deluxe is coming out in October, as well as possibly the Crown Tundra.

Ok you know what, I already didn't want to call you off on it but please just stop already! Stop being so pessimistic and always expecting the worst. Can you for just ONCE not be this way? Is it that damn hard!?

You're probably gonna just ignore this anyway since you didn't respond to my other post.

 

[zumaddy]

I'd totally be down for Azura, not gonna lie.

-hides in bunker for saying yes to a Fire Emblem character-

Same. Water lancer dancer who can have a song charge mechanic > Corrin with a spinny sword

She was so fun to play in Fire Emblem Warriors. She really had a stand-out kit in comparison to all the swordies and an amazing finisher.

 

[RileyXY1]

Ok you know what, I already didn't want to call you off on it but please just stop already! Stop being so pessimistic and always expecting the worst. Can you for once just not do that?

You're probably gonna just ignore this anyway since you didn't respond to my other post.

You were saying that CP7 would be all that's coming out in October which is a flat out lie.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Wait, this is interesting.

Fire Emblem: Three Houses released two years after Xenoblade Chronicles 2 did. Rex's chances were gutted pre-FP2 due to timing, but Byleth got in FP1.

Hmm...

Rex's chances were only gutted for the base game due to that timing issue.

For FP1, he was simply never chosen, as Byleth showed that Rex still had a chance to be chosen for the first Pass.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, this is interesting.

Fire Emblem: Three Houses released two years after Xenoblade Chronicles 2 did. Rex's chances were gutted pre-FP2 due to timing, but Byleth got in FP1.

Hmm...

The whole "Rex didn't get in because of timing." feels suspicious now, because of Byleth.

Not ****ting on Fire Emblem, I loved Three Houses. I am just saying Nintendo loves Fire Emblem quite a lot.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You were saying that CP7 would be all that's coming out in October which is a flat out lie.

Now you're just being ignorant. You have no proof of FP7 being revealed in October being a lie.

I'm not gonna continue with this because all you're gonna keep doing is making blunt comments.

 

[RileyXY1]

Rex's chances were only gutted for the base game due to that timing issue.

For FP1, he was simply never chosen, as Byleth showed that Rex still had a chance to be chosen for the first Pass.

Rex was the costume bundled with the first pass. It would be illogical to add Rex as a costume only to later release him later that same pass.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd totally be down for Azura, not gonna lie.

-hides in bunker for saying yes to a Fire Emblem character-

I just love how in Fire Emblem Warriors she's all like

"Siiiing with meeee a song
of conquest and fate
the black pillar cracks
beneath its weiiight!"
dramatic zoom
"It's over."
big sploosh

Fate GO doesn't appear to have an EU release, no. From what I can personally gather, it seems that the way to get it if one's interested is via third party app stores - although that can be a hassle in itself, so it's wise to be careful there.

As for why it isn't released... while there are no unified EU gambling laws, there's been movement to impose stricter laws there after the Battlefront II fiasco. The Netherlands and Belgium were especially active on this front, with both parliaments passing laws that classified lootboxes as gambling and thus restricted or even forbade paying real money for lootboxes. Nintendo closed down Pocket Camp and FE Heroes in Belgium as a result. Even EA eventually complied with the Belgian Commission.

And the EU published a report in July, saying that lootboxes should be considered a consumer protection issue - they straight up mentioned NBA 2K20's trailer as an example of a game with casino-like elements:

Even if the EU (or other governments like France's and Germany's) don't neccessarily see lootboxes as gambling, they still generally see the matter as worth investigating further. Couple that with the EU report, and the Games Industry quote is apt IMO: " The jury may still be out on the extent and nature of harm these strategies cause, but there is blood in the water and the regulators are circling. "

It's saying something when the UK's House of Lords - despite current events - also launched a similar investigation, concluding that: "Ministers should make regulations under section 6(6) of the Gambling Act 2005 specifying that loot boxes and any other similar games are games of chance, without waiting for the Government’s wider review of the Gambling Act."

So yeah, that's a major reason why many gacha games don't release here. The EU and related governments take a much harsher stance on lootboxes (and IMHO, there is a valid argument to be made, especially considering FIFA) and gacha would likely fall under similar problems.

By, "the game" I was referring to Dragalia Lost, but that is an interesting point.

 

[RileyXY1]

Now you're just being ignorant. You have no proof of FP7 being revealed in October being a lie.

I'm not gonna continue with this because all you're gonna keep doing is making blunt comments.

No, I was saying that your comment about CP7 being all Nintendo will show off in October is a lie, as Pikmin 3 Deluxe is coming out that month.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Rex was the costume bundled with the first pass. It would be illogical to add Rex as a costume only to later release him later that same pass.

In a timeline where Rex was a FP1 character, he wouldn't have been a Mii Costume bundled with that pass.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Rex was the costume bundled with the first pass. It would be illogical to add Rex as a costume only to later release him later that same pass.

He was added as a Mii Costume because Byleth was chosen over him. The too late to add reason for not adding him was false when they said it, as it did not apply to the DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

Can someone help me? I am confused.

Is the reason that Byleth got in before Rex because of Xenoblade Chronicles 2's unfortunate timing, simply not being picked, or Fire Emblem bias?

I don't know why I am talking about Rex all of a sudden, lol.

 

[Perkilator]

Probably Bad Smash Character Ideas: Azura. Her Final Smash in a cinematic where she dances and the opponent(s) are inflicted with increasing discomfort.

Real talk, I think Azura should’ve gotten in over Corrin if they were gonna promote Fates.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

No, I was saying that your comment about CP7 being all Nintendo will show off in October is a lie, as Pikmin 3 Deluxe is coming out that month.

Oh, my mistake then, I apparently misinterpreted there. It just seemed from the way you posted that's what you were suggesting.

Sorry for losing my cool there, it was just from your earlier comments.

FP7 will release whenever, I'm still predicting sometime in October.

 

[RileyXY1]

He was added as a Mii Costume because Byleth was chosen over him. The too late to add reason for not adding him was false when they said it, as it did not apply to the DLC.

FP1 was likely planned alongside the base game, or soon afterwards. Hero was planned to be in the base game but was pushed to DLC.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You're never optimistic about anything.

While you're not wrong, I'd rather take a pessimist over someone who always jumps at bandwagons.

Remember how you were absolutely certain Monster Hunter would be CP7 simply because it got its own Direct?

 

[RileyXY1]

While you're not wrong, I'd rather take a pessimist over someone who always jumps at bandwagons.

Remember how you were absolutely certain Monster Hunter would be CP7 simply because it got its own Direct?

Yeah. I've seen a lot of bandwagon characters since I joined this site, and a lot of them went nowhere.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

FP1 was likely planned alongside the base game, or soon afterwards. Hero was planned to be in the base game but was pushed to DLC.

Not entirely true. Otherwise Byleth would absolutely not have been an eligible pick.

EDIT: It's likely Hero was the only one decided at the base game's consideration.

 

[MooMew64]

I think expecting things to take 'till November or December is being a bit pessimistic. IMHO, something would have had to go catastrophically wrong in development to have CP7 take that long to come out.

I wouldn't go expecting doomsday scenarios quite yet.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

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I pick Klonoa, Geno, Crash Bandicoot, Travis Touchdown and Phoenix Wright.

MIn Min
Bandana Waddle Dee
Arle
Master Chief
Phoenix Wright
Crash

 

[Michael the Spikester]

While you're not wrong, I'd rather take a pessimist over someone who always jumps at bandwagons.

Remember how you were absolutely certain Monster Hunter would be CP7 simply because it got its own Direct?

I'm gonna be straight up honest, that was me just being hysterical given the drought we've been going through regarding FP7.

 

[Hokori]

My picks would be Geno, Dante, Travis Touchdown, 2B, and Ryu Hayabusa. I have a type when it comes to characters, though there are some that I nearly included. (Agumon, Morrigan, Amaterasu, Conker, or Rayman)

Hm. Our "type" seems to be very similar. No particular order, but literally all of your picks are pretty high up on my list of who I'd be thrilled to see.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm gonna be straight up honest, that was me just being hysterical given the drought we've been going through regarding FP7.

You're often this extreme though.

Remember how you were absolutely certain Spring Man would be the ARMS character because "MaScOt AnD pRoTaGoNiSt FiRsT" to the point where, iirc, you outright just said that to the Min Min thread for no reason?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You're often this extreme though.

Remember how you were absolutely certain Spring Man would be the ARMS character because "MaScOt AnD pRoTaGoNiSt FiRsT" to the point where, iirc, you outright just said that to the Min Min thread for no reason?

True, its apparently a habit of mine, one I gotta try working on.

I was about to make another of those "Here's this instead by Nintendo" earlier but managed to stop myself, that's a big step I guess so far.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Real talk, I think Azura should’ve gotten in over Corrin if they were gonna promote Fates.

While I don't necessarily agree with that, I do think she would have had more appeal to the masses because girl + not even remotely Marth looking + spear + dancer.

 

[RileyXY1]

You're often this extreme though.

Remember how you were absolutely certain Spring Man would be the ARMS character because "MaScOt AnD pRoTaGoNiSt FiRsT" to the point where, iirc, you outright just said that to the Min Min thread for no reason?

That was just not nice.