Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay dumb things were said but let's not gang up on the guy.



That said. Don't make me start preaching about the glory of Opa Opa again.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Bury The Light is a massive motivator.

I see what you did there.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Okay dumb things were said but let's not gang up on the guy.



That said. Don't make me start preaching about the glory of Opa Opa again.

Bro, I never played Fantasy Zone a day in my life but Opa Opa, also known as Grandpa Grandpa in Dutch? The maddest of lads in Sega All Stars Racing. I was soooooo upset they took him out in Transformed

 

[Schnee117]

I wonder why a company that also has hotels, casinos, resorts, arcades and all that is seeing less profits in a year with a pandemic.
Truly mind boggling stuff.

 

[volbound1700]

Pretty sure he means the remark about disregarding actual laws in favour of brand loyalty.

So? This is like saying Nintendo's on the brink of bankrupcy as they aren't dominating the console industry anymore

Did you read the article about 70% decrease in profits? You have to look at a company based on year-over-year profit/sales to value their stock. SEGA has some great IP but they mostly appeal to a niche market (i.e. Persona, Yakuza Wars, and Total War). I love and own most of the Total War series. My stinking avatar is SEGA.

Let's just move on. People were asking who would be the big, valuable IP for Nintendo to buy. I gave my list. I know it would be HARD for them to do from a legal and purchasing perspective but I gave my answer.

Schnee117 , did you even read the article. The data was 2015-2019 regarding the losses. I wish there was a face-palm icon on here.

You guys talk about me saying stupid stuff, you guys post stuff that isn't even on topic with what I just said. I didn't come on here to start a fight, I will leave the thread.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Don't make me start preaching about the glory of Opa Opa again.

Oh yeah, that spaceship guy I keep forgetting is in that Sonic Kart 8 game.

 

[Brindor]

God I want Cooking Mama in Smash so much.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

How about instead of some corporate monopoly buying another monopoly or some ****, SEGA buy the IP rights off Vic Tokai and Victor Entertainment since neither company is interested in making games anymore and I can get a AGES release of Battle Mania and Keio Flying Squadron.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I wonder why a company that also has hotels, casinos, resorts, arcades and all that is seeing less profits in a year with a pandemic.
Truly mind boggling stuff.

Personally, I blame the aliens.

Also, who knew talks of acquisitiom could get people so invested? Now I kinda wish Nintendo DID buy someone just to see how we all react.

 

[MooMew64]

Sega is doing fine. Only aspect they're having missteps with still is 3D Sonic, otherwise, they've been pretty golden lately and have released some pretty stellar titles.

Heck, even if you wanna point to Sonic, 3D Sonic is the only aspect of that brand that's really struggling: Their social media presence is still going strong, the movie was a hit, the comic is super well received, and Mania wasn't all that long ago and was considered a masterpiece for Sonic and still has a very healthy modding scene.

 

[cashregister9]

God I want Cooking Mama in Smash so much.

I unironically feel that though

 

[GoodGrief741]

SEGA also owns ATLUS, which, you know, is nothing to scoff at...

At the end of the day, SEGA is too huge and legendary of a company to even be considered on the table for potential acquisitions or mergers.

Business decisions aren't made on the basis of legacy and importance. Square and Enix, two titans in the industry with legacies spanning decades, merged. Id, the company that basically created the FPS, was purchased, and now Bethesda, the studio behind the hugely influential Skyrim, got bought out. If the price is cheap enough and the benefits of owning them outweigh the benefits of having them as competition, any company could get bought out. Even Sega.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Business decisions aren't made on the basis of legacy and importance. Square and Enix, two titans in the industry with legacies spanning decades, merged. Id, the company that basically created the FPS, was purchased, and now Bethesda, the studio behind the hugely influential Skyrim, got bought out. If the price is cheap enough and the benefits of owning them outweigh the benefits of having them as competition, any company could get bought out. Even Sega.

Here's the thing

SEGA already went bankrupt and merged with a larger company

Its called Sammy

Hence the name SEGA Sammy

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

No don't.

Hence the name SEGA Sammy

...

Who the heck calls it that?

 

[volbound1700]

Personally, I blame the aliens.

Also, who knew talks of acquisitiom could get people so invested? Now I kinda wish Nintendo DID buy someone just to see how we all react.

You can say that again. I was just throwing out crazy speculation and I got bombed.

If we want to talk about a Small Company for Nintendo to buy, how about Playtonic Games? You would get part of the Rare team back.

 

[CannonStreak]

Here's the thing

SEGA already went bankrupt and merged with a larger company

Its called Sammy

Hence the name SEGA Sammy

How's Sammy's side doing, by the way?

Also, what is the name of Sega's hotel and resort?

 

[cashregister9]

Who the heck calls it that?

The company itself, but for like shareholding and stocks

 

[Dark Bagel]

Huh, looks like we got our Microsoft Mii costume after all.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I unironically feel that though

Annnnnd that's what support threads are for

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Did you read the article about 70% decrease in profits? You have to look at a company based on year-over-year profit/sales to value their stock. SEGA has some great IP but they mostly appeal to a niche market (i.e. Persona, Yakuza Wars, and Total War). I love and own most of the Total War series. My stinking avatar is SEGA.

Let's just move on. People were asking who would be the big, valuable IP for Nintendo to buy. I gave my list. I know it would be HARD for them to do from a legal and purchasing perspective but I gave my answer.

I fail to see how struggling half a decade ago is relevant to when the topic is "Sega's doing very well now". Not to mention I'd say Yakuza and Persona have started hitting mainstream audiences as of late due to major pushes and praise

Also, who knew talks of acquisitiom could get people so invested

teehee you said 'invested' is talks about buisnesses

No don't.


...

Who the heck calls it that?

Daisuke Ishiwatari probably as they used to own Guilty Gear before Arc got the rights. Hell, not owning GG led to Blazblue

 

[TheBeastHimself]

If we want to talk about a Small Company for Nintendo to buy, how about Playtonic Games? You would get part of the Rare team back.

My only question here would be, aside from old Rare staff, what does Playtonic offer Nintendo? Would it just become something like Retro Studios, where they are dedicated to pumping out Nintendo games?

 

[volbound1700]

I fail to see how struggling half a decade ago is relevant to when the topic is "Sega's doing very well now". Not to mention I'd say Yakuza and Persona have started hitting mainstream audiences as of late due to major pushes and praise

2015-2018 is not a HALF A DECADE AGO. The citing Profit losses were from 2015 and 2018 with some drops in the years in between. They also lost profits in 2019.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Honestly Sega would be best served allowing smaller studios and indies to work on the IP's they themselves have no interest in. Streets of Rage 4 got a great reception, Sonic Mania's success speaks for itself, Alex Kidd's getting remade, the Panzer Dragoon remake turned out alright after updates, and while not published by Sega, the Monster Boy game demonstrated the real potential of a Wonder Boy formula title in the right hands.

If I'm Sega, right now I'm talking to developers about what they can do for Shinobi, Golden Axe, 2D Phantasy Star, etc. Leave the mainline team to stuff like Yakuza and let smaller studios see what they can do with old school franchises.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

How's Sammy's side doing, by the way?

Sammy made games and published Guilty Gear hence why SEGA owned the Guilty gear rights for a short while which led to BlazBlue being made until they gave the rights back to Arcys

There mostly known for the large pachinko business. Pachinko of course hasnt been doing well recently cause no one is going to casinos.

Also, what is the name of Sega's hotel and resort?

Phoenix Seagaia Resort

 

[Brindor]

If anyone buys SEGA I hope it's Nintendo - their stories as Video Game Giants are so entwined it would be a fitting conclusion for SEGA.

Same with Konami and Sony

 

[volbound1700]

My only question here would be, aside from old Rare staff, what does Playtonic offer Nintendo? Would it just become something like Retro Studios, where they are dedicated to pumping out Nintendo games?

Good point, Retro has kind of taken that spot. They could bring Yooka-Laylee which is a fun IP but isn't huge.

Still it is about the same as Level 5. Level 5 has a little bit more IP but their IP would mostly be popular in Japan. Nintendo really has enough IP to stand on their own and doesn't need to acquire as people have pointed out. Nintendo just needs to use their IP more.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

2015-2018 is not a HALF A DECADE AGO. The citing Profit losses were from 2015 and 2018 with some drops in the years in between. They also lost profits in 2019.

They lost profits in recent years cause of their mobile game venture which makes sense, they have no Fire Embelem Heroes or Granblue.

 

[SKX31]

For me personally? I don't really care that much. The only Bethesda property I really kept up with is Doom. So, as long as future entries either come to PC or Switch, I'm fine.

Now, surrounding everyone's reactions to the buyout? Here's my thoughts on the matter:

I don't get why everyone is acting like this is a major game changer that will signifies the future of gaming as a whole. No, video games are not turning into the Hollywood studio system where everyone is bought out under five or six publishers. Even the industry's most successful companies don't have enough excess cash to be making multibillion dollar buyouts of their competitors. Microsoft is kind of an exception, as they're a behemoth that has tons of cash laying around that, but even they can't afford to pull this kind of thing on a regular basis.

Even when it comes to using another company's IP, a full buyout is extremely drastic. That's a ton of money when just paying for the license, getting an exclusivity contract, or financing the development in exchange for exclusivity are all far more cost effective than just buying the studio for their rights. If Nintendo or Sony really want an exclusive Dragon Quest or Metal Gear that they have control over, buying Square Enix or Konami is the most shortsighted and over-the-top way to do that. It's like using a nuclear bomb to clear squirrels out of your backyard.

And, no, this isn't a sign of monopoly or that the market is becoming smaller in terms of options. Thanks to stuff like Indie development, Steam, and the ability to advertise through online word of mouth, there are more games from more developers than ever before. The industry is very healthy, as far as competition goes. Yes, Bethesda is a major corporation and removing their independence from the market does harm the industry more than removing most companies would, but it's still not that bad. Square and Enix merging had a bigger impact on market competition than this and the industry is completely fine 20 years later.

Hey, I apprieciate the opposing viewpoint here since it's an important point. Not even Tencent (who is the company closest to, if not the only one that might surpass Microsoft's sheer size. Tencent's as big as Facebook, by the by.) can do that at all. And they're arguably the company most willing to buy % shares all over the place.

And the fact that there are loads of developers is a great point too - small devs are everywhere. Yacht Club Games. ZUN. FYQD Studio (the 23 year old Chinese man behind the very promising Bright Memory: Infinite). Etc. Even if the megacorps have boatloads of influence (especially in an oligarchic system like the console hardware business) there are, as you said, more devs get the chance to make a name for themselves.

My only question here would be, aside from old Rare staff, what does Playtonic offer Nintendo? Would it just become something like Retro Studios, where they are dedicated to pumping out Nintendo games?

Probably - Yooka-Laylee could be an interesting complement to Nintendo's own existing IPs.

That said: If I were Nintendo I'd make sure to buy up Playtonic and other smaller studios. By doing so one could at least guarantee that smaller franchises see more consistent releases. The lack of consistent releases for medium / smaller IPs is an issue for Nintendo at the moment; because it risks leaving gaps like the recent drought. And besides - Retro is one of the very few dev studios Nintendo directly has (IIRC), so bolstering manpower could be a way to go.

Which is one reason why I'm still baffled that Nintendo let AlphaDream's staff seemingly slip by (unless they're working on something right now).

 

[volbound1700]

They lost profits in recent years cause of their mobile game venture which makes sense, they have no Fire Emblem Heroes or Granblue.

Understood. Keep in mind though that that post was only direct at one person who wants to just argue everything that I stated and isn't reading our providing any insightful responses like you are providing.

I intended for SEGA to be a pipe dream acquisition for Nintendo. However, if Nintendo was looking to get someone that could grow them, SEGA would be a good option.

However, maybe the ultimate acquisition is Microsoft acquiring Nintendo. That would corner the gaming market if Microsoft could dominate the West and Nintendo the East. Now that is a crazy, out of this world, pie-in-the sky idea.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I'm really enjoying this conversation we're all having, because as much as we find some others' claims to be ridiculous, I think this is a great opportunity to learn more about the gaming industry as a whole, as well as the business aspects that play a major role. At least for me, I'm enjoying this because I get to speak, and when I'm proven wrong or offered another point of view, I'm learning! (Wow I sound like a loser)

 

[cashregister9]

I'm really enjoying this conversation we're all having, because as much as we find some others' claims to be ridiculous, I think this is a great opportunity to learn more about the gaming industry as a whole, as well as the business aspects that play a major role. At least for me, I'm enjoying this because I get to speak, and when I'm proven wrong or offered another point of view, I'm learning! (Wow I sound like a loser)

Wanting to learn more about the inner workings of a medium you enjoy does not make you a loser don't worry

 

[SNEKeater]

Their gaming side is doing fantastic this year
Their hotel,resort, casino, arcade, and animated movie business side isnt doing great this year but you should know why.

Honestly this just whole SEGA situation feels something like this lmao

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And that's not everything: Yakuza 3-5 Remastered, Puyo Puyo 2 releasing on December, Alex Kidd DX for 2021, and there's more lol

 

[zeldasmash]

Bury The Light is a massive motivator. Such a motivator, in fact, that it's all I've been listening to.

Clever sonofagun. Vergil would be proud.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

btw, 13 Sentinels is legit and its ost is even better

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm really enjoying this conversation we're all having, because as much as we find some others' claims to be ridiculous, I think this is a great opportunity to learn more about the gaming industry as a whole, as well as the business aspects that play a major role. At least for me, I'm enjoying this because I get to speak, and when I'm proven wrong or offered another point of view, I'm learning! (Wow I sound like a loser)

You wanna sound like a loser? Try this.


I think we should get a Smash announcement sometime between now and 2021.

Honestly this just whole SEGA situation feels something like this lmao

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And that's not everything: Yakuza 3-5 Remastered, Puyo Puyo 2 releasing on December, Alex Kidd DX for 2021, and there's more lol

Damn this doesn't even include Speedrun Icon Monkey Ball. Though tbf Banana Blitz wasn't good last I heard

 

[MooMew64]

Honestly this just whole SEGA situation feels something like this lmao

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And that's not everything: Yakuza 3-5 Remastered, Puyo Puyo 2 releasing on December, Alex Kidd DX for 2021, and there's more lol

Like, don't get me wrong, I love Sonic, but...

Sega does a whooooole lot more than that nowadays, lol. Plus, we've had three major Sonic releases* over the past three years, Sonic fans gotta chill a little, honestly.

*Counting Sonic Team Racing, which was actually pretty great from what I'd heard.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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On random news that I never expected to see, we have this.

 

[Idon]

On random news that I never expected to see, we have this.

The world has suffered a great and terrible loss this day.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Honestly this just whole SEGA situation feels something like this lmao

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And that's not everything: Yakuza 3-5 Remastered, Puyo Puyo 2 releasing on December, Alex Kidd DX for 2021, and there's more lol

Granted, you COULD argue that it's mostly just Yakuza and anime games, but that's besides the point. Sega isn't just Sonic, despite popular belief.

 

[Perkilator]

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On random news that I never expected to see, we have this.

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