Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[CrusherMania1592]

Even if Paper Mario is out, not all is lost!

There’s still Metal Mario, Baby Mario, Gold Mario, Frog Mario, Cat Mario, Tanooki Mario, Mario in a Kart, Penguin Mario, tall Mario, balloon Mario, 8 bit Mario, Mario Tennis Aces Mario, Fire Mario, Hammer Bro Mario, Hotel Mario Mario, Super Mario Bros Super Show Mario, Wedding Dress Mar-

whacks with roundhouse kick

whew, I don’t think we need another one of those, don’t we?

At this point, Geno would be the best Mario character now

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

When Baby Waluigi becomes an official character, the end will be near.

Unless it's for another Yoshi game. Then it has a point other than roster padding.

 

[Gribbo]

On one hand, he could've been a cool character, on the other hand, he probably would've been built around the sticker games, which would've been bleugh. It'd be like having Homer Simpson as a playable character but his moveset exclusively references seasons 12 and onward, with his final smash summoning Lady Gaga while Bart and Lisa sing Tick Tock.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

This is a factual statement. Their smiles light up the night sky.

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Anyhoo, Paper Mario was the Mario character I was leaning towards the most. With him now most likely out of the running, I'm back to thinking Mario probably ain't getting anything, as I'm not really all that confident in the options left.

so CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTEEEEEEEEE!!

Even if Paper Mario is out, not all is lost!

There’s still Metal Mario, Baby Mario, Gold Mario, Frog Mario, Cat Mario, Tanooki Mario, Mario in a Kart, Penguin Mario, tall Mario, balloon Mario, 8 bit Mario, Mario Tennis Aces Mario, Fire Mario, Hammer Bro Mario, Hotel Mario Mario, Super Mario Bros Super Show Mario, Wedding Dress Mar-

bro you forgot the superior one

Live Action Movie Mario

 

[3BitSaurus]

I'm curious as to how medical degrees are handed out so freely in the Mario verse.

We got Babies with degrees, now we're giving degrees to the Squids?!

Why are you surprised? We also got Dr. Goomba Stack before. As in, not even just a Goomba who is a doctor despite having no arms, but three of them just stacked on top of each other and somehow counting as ONE doctor.

Squids are a perfectly sane idea after that one.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

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It looks like there's three new spirits this time.

that doesn't look too good for Paper Mario's chances.

Hey, so Over on Gamefaqs, Apparently some guy is saying there's a rumor in the inside that Nintendo Paid for an Apex Legends character and some music License last year

Without a FP7 announcement, this place feels boring as hell. - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Without a FP7 announcement, this place feels boring as hell.".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Now I know anyone can say anything, but since this is out there, I'm wondering if people have been hearing of this rumor as well. I would never Expect EA to be Represented in Smash despite how big they are, but you know, anything's Possible

1:Are you sure this person is a reliable source/gotten things right in a consistent manner,
2:Why Apex Legends.
3:Even if it is an Apex character the way the "rumor" says, it sounds more like a mii costume than a playable one.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

On one hand, he could've been a cool character, on the other hand, he probably would've been built around the sticker games, which would've been bleugh.

Hmm. Would it? On the one hand Smash characters tend to lean to older entries for inspiration, but on the other hand, I'm not sure Nintendo would be ok with a moveset derived from the RPGs when the games are trying so hard to get you to ignore their RPG elements while still having them be the crux of the gameplay.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, so Over on Gamefaqs, Apparently some guy is saying there's a rumor in the inside that Nintendo Paid for an Apex Legends character and some music License last year

Without a FP7 announcement, this place feels boring as hell. - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Without a FP7 announcement, this place feels boring as hell.".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Now I know anyone can say anything, but since this is out there, I'm wondering if people have been hearing of this rumor as well. I would never Expect EA to be Represented in Smash despite how big they are, but you know, anything's Possible

Yeah I seriously doubt that. That's like some monkey's paw level **** if you ask me. "Oh you want us to catch up to the trends?" "Here, have a character from a now-not trending game!"

 

[Guynamednelson]

Hmm. Would it? On the one hand Smash characters tend to lean to older entries for inspiration, but on the other hand, I'm not sure Nintendo would be ok with a moveset derived from the RPGs when the games are trying so hard to get you to ignore their RPG elements while still having them be the crux of the gameplay.

Nintendo's focus on SF64 didn't prevent Smash 4 from adding a new Assault stage and Ultimate from at least acknowledging Krystal demand in the form of an assist trophy.

 

[Arcanir]

Hmm. Would it? On the one hand Smash characters tend to lean to older entries for inspiration, but on the other hand, I'm not sure Nintendo would be ok with a moveset derived from the RPGs when the games are trying so hard to get you to ignore their RPG elements while still having them be the crux of the gameplay.

They didn't seem to mind the Thousand Year Door level within the Paper Mario stage back with Smash 3DS, so I don't think they'd mind any references to the RPG games in a possible Paper Mario moveset. I think it would come down more to if Sakurai would want to use those games as a basis rather then Nintendo blocking him.

Isn't that Oragami King?

In terms of actual quality yes, it's just that the desire is for a proper RPG and it's still not that.

 

[Deleted member]

Isn't that Oragami King?

It's debatable honestly. Origami King is... sooooo close to being a return to the good while also being its own thing.. but the combat,while mostly fine, along with the whole "can't use unique designs" thing kinda brought the game down just enough to where it's.. average. It's no Color Splash.. but it's also not TTYD 2,if that's what you're looking for.

 

[7NATOR]

Wait actually, Since Mario is the current topic

How are you guys feeling about Another Mario Character in This Fighter Pass, Both in Likelihood and Want?

 

[Deleted member]

Wait actually, Since Mario is the current topic

How are you guys feeling about Another Mario Character in This Fighter Pass, Both in Likelihood and Want?

Wouldn't mind it per say but I really want Nintendo to do a couple 3rd parties before another 1st/2nd Party, considering we just got Min Min.

It's just more interesting to speculate about 3rd parties than 1st parties for me IMO.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Wait actually, Since Mario is the current topic

How are you guys feeling about Another Mario Character in This Fighter Pass, Both in Likelihood and Want?

There's no Mario character that I want and for likelihood, the only one I think could happen is Geno but I'd say is chance are relatively low, but not impossible.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's debatable honestly. Origami King is... sooooo close to being a return to the good while also being its own thing.. but the combat,while mostly fine, along with the whole "can't use unique designs" thing kinda brought the game down just enough to where it's.. average. It's no Color Splash.. but it's also not TTYD 2,if that's what you're looking for.

In my opinion, if there's no reason to interact with the RPG part of an RPG, then it can't be a good game, and the lack of a functional progression system also drops the reason to interact with the RPG stuff. They either need to put it back in (it doesn't even have to be in the form of XP) or just make an adventure game, which is what seems like the devs actually want to do.

Also let them be creative with their designs again Nintendo. It's ok. They ain't gonna ruin your image.

Wait actually, Since Mario is the current topic

How are you guys feeling about Another Mario Character in This Fighter Pass, Both in Likelihood and Want?

I always thought King Boo would make for an interesting fighter...

 

[Deleted member]

In my opinion, if there's no reason to interact with the RPG part of an RPG, then it can't be a good game, and the lack of a functional progression system also drops the reason to interact with the RPG stuff. They either need to put it back in (it doesn't even have to be in the form of XP) or just make an adventure game, which is what seems like the devs actually want to do.

That's basically where I stand too ngl. Like... why even have an RPG system when you don't do.. like anything with it? You get so many coins it may as well be an exp bar that does nothing but allow you to buy stuff.

 

[SharkLord]

I'm curious as to how medical degrees are handed out so freely in the Mario verse.

We got Babies with degrees, now we're giving degrees to the Squids?!

He's self-taught. Most Mushroom Kingdom doctors are.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

He's self-taught. Most Mushroom Kingdom doctors are.

Ah so that's why their medicinal practices revolve around pills.

...

Wait, is that why Dry Bowser exists?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

On one hand, he could've been a cool character, on the other hand, he probably would've been built around the sticker games, which would've been bleugh. It'd be like having Homer Simpson as a playable character but his moveset exclusively references seasons 12 and onward, with his final smash summoning Lady Gaga while Bart and Lisa sing Tick Tock.

Wow, you emotionally hurt me with this comparison, I'm a fan of both their old entries.

 

[MooMew64]

Wait actually, Since Mario is the current topic

How are you guys feeling about Another Mario Character in This Fighter Pass, Both in Likelihood and Want?

In my opinion, the best shot Mario has is Geno, and while he's probably at his highest chance he's ever had, I'm personally not convinced he's the most likely candidate if SE is getting another rep for a few different reasons. That said, he is definitely a viable option and I'm not discounting him completely.

As for my own personal wants, Waluigi is a dream pick for me, but I honestly don't see AT upgrades happening right now.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 26, 2020

they’re always watching... always.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

It's weird that without Smash news in so long, Paper Mario was pretty much deconfirmed on such a random date.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

In my opinion, if there's no reason to interact with the RPG part of an RPG, then it can't be a good game, and the lack of a functional progression system also drops the reason to interact with the RPG stuff. They either need to put it back in (it doesn't even have to be in the form of XP) or just make an adventure game, which is what seems like the devs actually want to do.

The newer Paper Mario games are like RPGs that are embarrassed about being RPGs. What the series really needs at this point is its own equivalent to Resident Evil 7, a game that loudly and proudly brings the series back to its roots... which sadly isn't gonna happen anytime soon due to both the developers themselves (after all those interviews, I do not trust Kensuke Tanabe and the rest of Intelligent Systems to ever make a Paper Mario game like the old ones) and Nintendo's current "We hate side characters" mandate for Mario spin-offs.

 

[Deleted member]

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 26, 2020

they’re always watching... always.

tHey'Re comInG foR yOU

wish I could use cursed text but it doesn't work

 

[-crump-]

Good to have spirit events back, spirits don’t hold a candle to trophies but I’d be lying if I said they weren’t fun to collect.

I really wanted Paper Mario back in the pre-Smash 4 days, but considering he would probably be 95% based on the modern entries I can’t say I’m shedding tears over here.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 26, 2020

they’re always watching... always.

"This guy wants to sleep with you Akira"

The newer Paper Mario games are like RPGs that are embarrassed about being RPGs. What the series really needs at this point is its own equivalent to Resident Evil 7, a game that loudly and proudly brings the series back to its roots... which sadly isn't gonna happen anytime soon due to both the developers themselves (after all those interviews, I do not trust Kensuke Tanabe and the rest of Intelligent Systems to ever make a Paper Mario game like the old ones) and Nintendo's current "We hate side characters" mandate for Mario spin-offs.

This will never not be stupid.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

and Nintendo's current "We hate side characters" mandate for Mario spin-offs.

What was Nintendo's reasoning for no prominent side characters again? Might as well make this the box art for the next Paper Mario:

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 26, 2020

they’re always watching... always.

Wait, that doesn't look like the Teddy Mii Costume. What kind of Dev Tools is this?

 

[Aetheri]

I'm very indifferent to getting another Mario character personally. We did get the completely out of left field Piranha Plant for DLC which turned out to be a much better character than I anticipated, so as far as Mario goes for newcomers I'm satisfied.

Geno I don't particularly care for and Wah would be kinda cool but I won't miss him if he's not added. Paper Mario I'd pass on personally.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

What was Nintendo's reasoning for no prominent side characters again? Might as well make this the box art for the next Paper Mario:

Brand recognition, everything was changed to match the aesthetic from New super Mario bros Wii after that games success.

It's also why they changed Luigi's design in the Mario and Luigi games. That's a minor thing but it's the first thing that comes to mind with this change

 

[DarthEnderX]

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It looks like there's three new spirits this time.

phew Thank god. I don't have to keep worrying about a 3rd Mario now.

The newer Paper Mario games are like RPGs that are embarrassed about being RPGs. What the series really needs at this point is its own equivalent to Resident Evil 7, a game that loudly and proudly brings the series back to its roots...

Paper Mario: Legend of the Seven Stars!!

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Brand recognition, everything was changed to match the aesthetic from New super Mario bros Wii after that games success.

It's also why they changed Luigi's design in the Mario and Luigi games. That's a minor thing but it's the first thing that comes to mind with this change

They changed Luigi's design...?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

They changed Luigi's design...?

In the early Mario and Luigi games the designs of all the characters were more stylized and Luigi, to give him a bit of a difference between him and Mario, had a slightly different design than he does in other Mario games. (Mario looked chubbier and Luigi looked thinner and had overalls that were too small for him.)

But in dream team the brothers designs tweaked back to how they normally look.

It's such a minor change yet it was different enough that Nintendo had to call them out on it I guess.

It's kinda funny that the ever controlling Disney let's outside sources get creative with their mascot but Nintendo doesn't do the same.

 

[cosmicB]

Yeah I seriously doubt that. That's like some monkey's paw level **** if you ask me. "Oh you want us to catch up to the trends?" "Here, have a character from a now-not trending game!"

Vtubers have made it trend again.

Not like that means anything for the fighters pass of course. It's just interesting to think how if Korone existed 5 years ago, Doom might actually have a presence in Japan and thus be a legit possibility in Smash.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

puts on tinfoil hat

I have an idea to propose. Direct seems to be before the end of August, right? August pretty much ends this week. We get a spirit event today: Paper Mario, 3 brand new spirits. A Mario RPG spirit event. Seems almost too perfect for a Geno reveal in a direct this week, right? Didn't something happen with a spirit event right before Byleth was announced?

Idk guys, as pessimistic as this thread can be about Geno, I wouldn't be too surprised, especially since Geno also fits the criteria of the "new worlds" theory.

 

[Cosmic77]

Paper Mario was a character I liked, so I'm a little bummed. I guess he's not outright deconfirmed just yet, but I really don't know why they wouldn't have saved the Spirits for the bundle instead of randomly releasing them a month after release if Paper Mario was playable.

Oh well. We did get Daisy and PP, so I can't complain if he or any other Mario character isn't in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Didn't something happen with a spirit event right before Byleth was announced?

Iirc it was for Astral Chain, which isn't related to Fire Emblem: Three Houses in the slightest.

 

[SirBillyBob]

When your method of delivering information is so successful and beloved that now fans keep harassing you for more, ignoring your non-branded news and overhyping themselves:

Backlog of games? Never heard of them.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

This guy wants to sleep with you Akira

by Akira, you mean Ren, right?

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Iirc it was for Astral Chain, which isn't related to Fire Emblem: Three Houses in the slightest.

well, do I at least get a sticker for trying?