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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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FJA147

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This made me laugh. What if Nintendo made another Earthbound game or a remake and the director of the game was Toby Fox
 

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Yup. I for one only support cool characters. Throw a pair of shades on Bandana Waddle Dee and he'll become one of my most wanteds.

In all seriousness though I'm neutral on the guy. Not a character I would feel excitement for but am not opposed to at all. Honestly, if BWD made it into Smash I'd probably be more excited at more modern Kirby content getting into Smash than with BWD himself.

Especially if we got music like this:


Plus more
Masked Dedede, Galacta Knight, and Sectonia's themes are among the biggest losses in the track list and would most definitely come with Bandana Dee, alongside proper Spirit Battles for them. I'm honestly kinda surprised they weren't chosen among the songs available.
 

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(Falcons clone should be a proper alt skin woth a name and everything like Alph, this always bugs me.)
They should also revert his Blood Falcon alt to his Brawl colors (Hot take: Both the Blood Falcon and Classic Falcon alts were ruined after Brawl) and give the alt BF's additional details, like his spiky shoulder guard. Wouldn't expect his bloodstained belt buckle though.
 

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I'm pretty sure all of Meta Knights moves are based around his boss fights, and one or two of his moves in those fights are directly inspired by/taken from Kirby's sword copy ability.

Interestingly, if Sword Kirby was ever added to Smash, he'd probably barrow a few of Meta Knight's neutrals. Nair, Uair, and Fair would be the likeliest candidates to be used, while Dair would be Toon Link's Dair. Specials would be changed out for things more specific to Sword Kirby. Of course, this will never happen, but it is interesting to think about the moveset potential alternate Kirby's based off of copy abilities would bring. :drohmy:
 

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I'm a pretty big Mother fan (hence the username which I've used for over a decade) and I'm perfectly content with EB never getting another game or piece of Smash content. It's not a dead franchise - it's a retired franchise. That's a luxury few franchises ever get. And even then it's still getting new official merchandise as of this year. EB fans have had it good for a while now. I'd much rather see resources put towards giving some love to underappreciated or underrepresented or actively-ongoing franchises.
I'll be honest, I couldn't get into Earthbound but I've been loving what I've played of Mother 3 so far.

Honestly the only thing I can really ask for in Smash is a Duster assist, just since he was left out of Lucas's final smash. Poor Duster.
 

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Perfect World Scenario:

Nintendo releases the Earthbound Collection. The game includes repainted versions of Earthbound Beginnings, Earthbound, and what is now the official English title: Earthbound 2. The games are identical ports of each game, but with redrawn and re-orchestrated visuals and music. Don't like the new look or sound? The older one was better? Well you can change the music and/or visuals at the press of a button!

What about Earthbound 2's more problematic elements? The game treats the player like an adult, letting them know that this game in particular is much darker than the other two, and giving the option to change the design of the Magypsies if they find them offensive (said re-designs will also be added to the original GBA graphics as well similar to how Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap added a female protagonist).

...Sectonia's themes are among the biggest losses in the track list
Well we do have World to Win and Moonstruck Blossom (referred to as Fatal Blooms in the Moonlight, which I'll bet is a mistranslation), though adding Dirty & Beauty as well would be nice.
 

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Perfect World Scenario:

Nintendo releases the Earthbound Collection. The game includes repainted versions of Earthbound Beginnings, Earthbound, and what is now the official English title: Earthbound 2. The games are identical ports of each game, but with redrawn and re-orchestrated visuals and music. Don't like the new look or sound? The older one was better? Well you can change the music and/or visuals at the press of a button!

What about Earthbound 2's more problematic elements? The game treats the player like an adult, letting them know that this game in particular is much darker than the other two, and giving the option to change the design of the Magypsies if they find them offensive (said re-designs will also be added to the original GBA graphics as well similar to how Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap added a female protagonist).


Well we do have World to Win and Moonstruck Blossom (referred to as Fatal Blooms in the Moonlight, which I'll bet is a mistranslation), though adding Dirty & Beauty as well would be nice.
Nah, leave the Magypsies’ appearance as is, but make them non-binary and use they/them/their pronouns.
the hot spring scene CAN be interpreted as a sexual assault attempt tho, that for SURE will be changed
 

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Yes and no.

Meta Knight's Shuttle Loop is based on a move he uses in boss fights, but that itself is based off of Wing Kirby's Shuttle Loop.
I'm pretty sure all of Meta Knights moves are based around his boss fights, and one or two of his moves in those fights are directly inspired by/taken from Kirby's sword copy ability.

So that's why Shuttle Loop (and :metaknight: in general) was broken in Brawl:

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:4pacman: (Gifrun's cap is at 10 seconds, so had to leave out that Brawl Shuttle Loop leads to glides too.)

...Though that doesn't Explain why F Zero has only 1 character. (Falcons clone should be a proper alt skin woth a name and everything like Alph, this always bugs me.)
Now that you mention the lack of alts, it's pretty weird. Maybe just plain old inconsistency?

As for the lack of F-Zero characters, I'm taking a total shot in the dark and guessing that Sakurai and co. haven't come to a conclusive answer as to who's next. Pretty sure that after 5 games they've at least thought of if not discussed the possibility.
 

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If F-Zero got another character it’s Black Shadow or bust, imo. MAYBE Pico but I don’t see him bringing a lot of new stuff to the table.

one things for sure: if a new F-Zero game and/or GX HD happens a new F-Zero character’s chances will go up considerably since that series was on hiatus for almost two decades
 
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What about Earthbound 2's more problematic elements? The game treats the player like an adult, letting them know that this game in particular is much darker than the other two, and giving the option to change the design of the Magypsies if they find them offensive (said re-designs will also be added to the original GBA graphics as well similar to how Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap added a female protagonist)
Considering how similar their names are to a slur against Romanian people, there's more than designs needed to change if you want to remove problematic elements, though knowing US history of that word, the fantranslator probably didn't realize it was a slur like how Disney didn't seem to realize it with Notre Dame. Knowing how Itoi values diversity and representation for minorities as seen with stuff like Ness being a fat kid, the gay kid in Earthbound, Duster being handicapped, etc, it's likely a case of good intentions with some unfortunate, unintended implications, which Fassad especially suffers from as he's the only Arab coded character
 

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And speaking of Black Shadow. People are always bringing him up as a echo.

He couldn't be one. He's bigger and bulkier then Captain Falcon. For Echos to work they have to have similar heights and dimensions especially if we take Isabelle to mind. If anything he'd be a semi-clone like Wolf.

Same thing with how Viridi as a Echo to Palutena is brought up. She's too short to be so and thus if anything would be a semi-clone at best as well.
 
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Nah, leave the Magypsies’ appearance as is, but make them non-binary and use they/them/their pronouns.
the hot spring scene CAN be interpreted as a sexual assault attempt tho, that for SURE will be changed
The Magypsies seem to often be cited as negative stereotypes, so that's why I suggested that the player be allowed to change their designs.

Oh yeah...that scene...Yeah that'd definitely have to be censored, which is ok because it's not that plot relevant and Ionia can teach Lucas PK Love in a way that's not...that.

Considering how similar their names are to a slur against Romanian people, there's more than designs needed to change if you want to remove problematic elements, though knowing US history of that word, the fantranslator probably didn't realize it was a slur like how Disney didn't seem to realize it with Notre Dame.
That I did not know. Maybe they could be called Madjinn instead?

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...it's likely a case of good intentions with some unfortunate, unintended implications, which Fassad especially suffers from as he's the only Arab coded character
Yeeeeah that's also pretty bad.

I wouldn't expect anything Smash related.
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Considering how similar their names are to a slur against Romanian people, there's more than designs needed to change if you want to remove problematic elements, though knowing US history of that word, the fantranslator probably didn't realize it was a slur like how Disney didn't seem to realize it with Notre Dame. Knowing how Itoi values diversity and representation for minorities as seen with stuff like Ness being a fat kid, the gay kid in Earthbound, Duster being handicapped, etc, it's likely a case of good intentions with some unfortunate, unintended implications, which Fassad especially suffers from as he's the only Arab coded character
Quick correction - the Roma / Romani are who you're refferring to, and unrelated from Romanians or Romans (albeit there's a Romani minority in Romania).

Possible Indie World on the 17th
If it is indeed an Indie World...

Hey, that's still a good thing. If anything more indie games on the Switch is always a welcome thing.
 
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And speaking of Black Shadow. People are always bringing him up as a echo.

He couldn't be one. He's bigger and bulkier then Captain Falcon. For Echos to work they have to have similar heights and dimensions especially if we take Isabelle to mind. If anything he'd be a semi-clone like Wolf.

Same thing with how Viridi as a Echo to Palutena is brought up. She's too short to be so and thus if anything would be a semi-clone at best as well.
He could work as Ganondorf, but I agree that anyone trying to pin him as a Captain Falcon echo doesn't really get how Echoes work.
 

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the thing is tho

Don’t normal directs air one week after either an Indies or Pokémon presentation? I doubt we’d see anything Pokémon related this month
Maybe but despite the NEW being removed the the site nothing has yet to come up and the same could happen here. Not everything is a pattern.
 

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From an Indie World I don't expect anything Smash related, I expect some Silksong news. Actually I don't even expect that, I just hope for that.
 

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Quick correction - the Roma / Romani are who you're refferring to, and unrelated from Romanians or Romans (albeit there's a Romani minority in Romania).



If it is indeed an Indie World...

Hey, that's still a good thing. If anything more indie games on the Switch is always a welcome thing.
Oh I thought Romanian was the word for Romani due to a language barrier, thabks for the correction!
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Tbf he's right that they need to have the same proportions, otherwise Isabelle would be classified as one
 

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What Echo so far hasn't been from a different series or franchise so far? They've all came from the same series of the character they're an Echo of.
We don't have an echo from a franchise owned by Sega. Is it a rule that it can't happen, or merely a coincidence? I'd bet most everyone here would say that it's the latter, so what makes this different?
It would look really awkward when you stack 'em, though. Why would a Legend of Zelda character have an F-Zero character stacked on him? It would kindsa remove them from their home series that way.
:ultroy: and :ultchrom: don't even exist in the same universe, and that's not a problem.
 
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