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I suppose one could imagine that some prominent indie stuff that month might help things. Sports Story and Axim Verge 2 getting releases would be a great at filling that particular gap. Hollow Knight Silksong would a dream, but I'm not holding my breath on that.
 
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As far as announcements go, I do think there's a chance we'll get a reveal for CP8 around December or so. If not, probably early 2021.

Actual releases, though? Right now I think we'll just get CP7 and that'll be it for 2020.

If it does pan out like this, then 2021 would have one new character every 3 months, on average.
Pretty much.

Hell, I'm even starting to think that character 2 won't come out at all next month and simply be announced. We've yet to have a character drop the same month that they were announced for Ultimate.
 

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I have no problem with Geno fans as a whole and I'm sure a good 70%+ of the users in the Geno thread are fine, but in my time on this site I haven't seen another community that is simultaneously both very arrogant while somehow having this really weird persecution complex to the point they were super jumpy when I entered the thread to ask a super basic question. I've seen 6 separate posters from there use the term "oppressed" or an equivalent completely unironically. As if they think Geno finally getting in is a step removed from the Emancipation Proclamation.

Once again, we're having a speculative discussion about characters getting added into a child's video game. Things don't need to be so serious. Like, you want to talk about marginalized groups, I can give you quite a lot of info growing up Jewish in an area that hates Jews. We don't need to make dumb comparisons even if meant to be hyperbolic for stuff that ultimately doesn't matter that much.
It seems to be an issue when users can't post about their most wanted (or, in some cases, can't post outside of the Geno thread at all) without having their choice picked apart or being insulted and called part of a cult.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1395#post-23704147
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-23922083
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2252#post-23830185
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1720#post-23746300
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3494#post-24041801
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3356#post-24021158
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1257#post-23691259
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3132#post-23983369

It doesn't help when this thread seems to treat bashing the Geno thread as a regularly scheduled activity that needs to happen every other week. I really wish this community would quit dividing itself up and picking on people based on which characters they want to see in a video game, of all things.

(I just found these posts by searching this thread for Geno, cult, or cultist; there are plenty more posts like this, but I went with the first relevant examples)
 
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Pretty much.

Hell, I'm even starting to think that character 2 won't come out at all next month and simply be announced. We've yet to have a character drop the same month that they were announced for Ultimate.
Since I myself was corrected on this in the past: Byleth is the only exception so far, being revealed and released in the same month.

But yeah, 1 out of 7 probably means it isn't standard practice.
 

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Since I myself was corrected on this in the past: Byleth is the only exception so far, being revealed and released in the same month.

But yeah, 1 out of 7 probably means it isn't standard practice.
Nintendo could do worse in September or October via having another reveal/showcase on the same day with a release that month ala Byleth.

Realistically any reception couldn't be any worse what they got, even if it was something as bog standard to the hardcore Smash fanbase as a Gen 8 Pokemon rep.
 
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Lots of neglected Nintendo franchises getting some love, it's great to see! Metroid, Star Fox, and Pikmin have all gotten some love recently with heavy rumors around an F-Zero return. Can't wait to see what happens! Anyways, if you need me, I'll be in the corner waiting... still waiting...


I'm not that really into JRPG's with the exception being Pokemon.

But...there is one JRPG that's been on my radar for a while and that's the Earthbound/Mother series, I always liked that it's more grounded and closer to a real world setting like Pokemon and not super traditional fantasy based like most JRPG's are that aren't really my cup of tea so this franchise has always peaked my curiosity.

Plus if I'm not mistaken secondary Pokemon developer (Creatures. inc) was succeeded from (Ape. inc ) which worked and help create Earthbound so it seems that there was always a connection and similarities between the 2 that has caught my interest.

If this were ever to be announced, I would heavily consider it.
 
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It seems to be an issue when users can't post about their most wanted (or, in some cases, can't post outside of the Geno thread at all) without having their choice picked apart or being insulted and called part of a cult.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1395#post-23704147
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-23922083
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2252#post-23830185
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1720#post-23746300
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3494#post-24041801
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3356#post-24021158
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1257#post-23691259
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3132#post-23983369

It doesn't help when this thread seems to treat bashing the Geno thread as a regularly scheduled activity that needs to happen every other week, as evidenced by this conversation. I really wish this community would quit dividing itself up and picking on people based on which characters they want to see in a video game, of all things.
*Remembers this is the same game that had the Box Theorists vs Grinch Believers war*


I mean, it's nice to have dreams, but prior clues have pointed towards that being utterly impossible.



I mean, I'm not innocent of the above misconducts either, I fully admit, but frankly? I can get where those posts come from, at least, the less heated ones. There's a difference between hype and arrogance, and hype responsibly shouldn't be a taboo topic, it's how The Grinch became such a cluster**** it is, so when Gamespot accidentally flubs up a single video with sub 1-k views, and suddenly people are taking it as gospel and "Obviously Gamespot would know who the next character is!", despite Insiders clearly saying "No, this is not how we receive DLC characters"


I feel like, to be blunt, both communities could work to work better together, but it needs to be a joint effort. People need to treat Geno supporters better yes, but Geno supporters also need to understand, no, Geno is not 100% a lock whenever something marginally happens in his favor. NO ONE is a lock unless they're directly leaked.
 

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It seems to be an issue when users can't post about their most wanted (or, in some cases, can't post outside of the Geno thread at all) without having their choice picked apart or being insulted and called part of a cult.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1395#post-23704147
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-23922083
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2252#post-23830185
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1720#post-23746300
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3494#post-24041801
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3356#post-24021158
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1257#post-23691259
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3132#post-23983369

It doesn't help when this thread seems to treat bashing the Geno thread as a regularly scheduled activity that needs to happen every other week. I really wish this community would quit dividing itself up and picking on people based on which characters they want to see in a video game, of all things.
The action of cataloguing instances of acrimony which date back months belies any guise of being non-partisan though.

I stand by what I said in that first post.
 

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Framing this as "people pick on Geno fans because they're Geno fans" is pretty dishonest, especially considering some of the examples chosen
 

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Hey this thread opened this up from mischaracterizing my post and putting a spin on it. What irony.
 

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Hey this thread opened this up from mischaracterizing my post and putting a spin on it. What irony.
I'd personally love to work things out with the thread, I know there's plenty of good folk.


But it has to be a joint effort, simple as that.
 

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It seems to be an issue when users can't post about their most wanted (or, in some cases, can't post outside of the Geno thread at all) without having their choice picked apart or being insulted and called part of a cult.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1395#post-23704147
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-23922083
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2252#post-23830185
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1720#post-23746300
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3494#post-24041801
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3356#post-24021158
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1257#post-23691259
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3132#post-23983369

It doesn't help when this thread seems to treat bashing the Geno thread as a regularly scheduled activity that needs to happen every other week. I really wish this community would quit dividing itself up and picking on people based on which characters they want to see in a video game, of all things.
I stand by the fact you guy's set yourself up for disappointment way to often, like they are talking about "rumors" of a Golden Sun Remake, despite the fact there isn't really any evidence for it right now. Then there's all of speculation of getting both Geno and Waluigi, which just seems unlikely to me since I don't believe we are gonna get two characters from same series in the same pass. Then you got a lot of tin foil hat stuff about Geno being revealed next due to the next character being both CP7 and character 77.
 

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I stand by the fact you guy's set yourself up for disappointment way to often, like they are talking about "rumors" of a Golden Sun Remake, despite the fact there isn't really any evidence for it right now. Then there's all of speculation of getting both Geno and Waluigi, which just seems unlikely to me since I don't believe we are gonna get two characters from same series in the same pass. Then you got a lot of tin foil hat stuff about Geno being revealed next due to the next character being both CP7 and character 77.
like i oftentimes jest that "hey what if Octoling was FP8 that would be perfect lol cuz 8" but yeah they see these rumors and latch on so hard to them
 

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I'd personally love to work things out with the thread, I know there's plenty of good folk.


But it has to be a joint effort, simple as that.
I was mostly replying to the No days since Geno talk, should have hit reply. I am fine with joint effort, it’s just interesting that it started with “Geno thread is doing this” and people are shocked and assumes the worst, then the actual post is revealed which shows that was not the case but still admits may not have been the best anology.

I have no problem admitting if I am wrong or say something not the best or use the best examples or illustrations

But it’s interesting the “other” side as you say it has been silent about their mistake, or let alone assumption without even looking into it.

I agree both sides need to put the work, but at the moment it’s the one side that has to do it all while the other does not need to accept anything.
 

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I was mostly replying to the No days since Geno talk, should have hit reply. I am fine with joint effort, it’s just interesting that it started with “Geno thread is doing this” and people are shocked and assumes the worst, then the actual post is revealed which shows that was not the case but still admits may not have been the best anology.

I have no problem admitting if I am wrong or say something not the best or use the best examples or illustrations

But it’s interesting the “other” side as you say it has been silent about their mistake, or let alone assumption without even looking into it.

I agree both sides need to put the work, but at the moment it’s the one side that has to do it all while the other does not need to accept anything.
Oh that was at me?

I was just ****posting and joking around about the situation, not trying to attack you or target you specifically or anything like that.
 

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I was mostly replying to the No days since Geno talk, should have hit reply. I am fine with joint effort, it’s just interesting that it started with “Geno thread is doing this” and people are shocked and assumes the worst, then the actual post is revealed which shows that was not the case but still admits may not have been the best anology.

I have no problem admitting if I am wrong or say something not the best or use the best examples or illustrations

But it’s interesting the “other” side as you say it has been silent about their mistake, or let alone assumption without even looking into it.

I agree both sides need to put the work, but at the moment it’s the one side that has to do it all while the other does not need to accept anything.
"Do it all"


I disagree there wholeheartedly. The one thing the pro-Geno side could do to help rebuild bridges is simply:

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I remember a certain user who used to post there very frequently who got reamed out by regulars for telling them to hype responsibly, to the point he left the thread. When things like Gamespot occur, instead of "GENO IS IN!" or "OBVIOUSLY Gamespot would know" or responding "Don't care" when people as to Hype Responsibly, let's all calm down and just.... hype responsibly. It doesn't need to be a dirty word.
 

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Bro I was trying to be broad but I was trying to specify the situation. You started the mischaracterizing of my post and when it was shown (Since you didn’t read it) and did not EVER say the Geno fan base was like the situation used (and i then admitted it wasn’t the best anology) you haven’t even said anything to recognize your mistake. You were stirring drama that wasn’t there and haven’t owned up to it. I used a bad analogy, which I have no problem admitting was not the best choice, but NEVER equated it to fan base.

That’s where I am getting at. No side is perfect and both sides have blame. That's fine. I make mistakes and own up to them to move forward. Why is it hard for others?
 
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Can we just

Drop the Geno drama already

I've grown extremely apathetic to Mr. Gun Pinocchio thanks to the constant Geno Thread vs General Thread dynamic. It's always "These guys are overhyping!!" "No you're persecuting us!!" It's honestly just really annoying more than anything.
The Geno thread should be allowed to want their character, and people shouldn't **** all over them for that. That being said, it's true that some of them get too carried away with things. The large amounts of supposed "leaks" don't help at all.
As for Fatman, the beast from the depths of the Geno thread? Honestly, he seems like pretty chill guy... But that's all he is, a guy. Nothing more, nothing less. He's even admitted himself that he's just throwing out guesswork and theorycraft. I sympathize with him saying he wishes he could post outside the Geno thread, but I don't see why people are taking his stuff as fact when he's stated he's not an actual leaker.

It's not a right-or-wrong situation. The Geno thread is rather generalized, and they should be allowed to express their hype towards their character, but they do get ahead of themselves and could stand to accept some people tempering their expectations without complaining about "persecution" or "hype police."

I just wanna talk about Smash and grill, for Pete's sake. Can't we just discuss puppet man like any other character, without going at each other's throats? Is that too much to ask?
 

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Oh that was at me?

I was just ****posting and joking around about the situation, not trying to attack you or target you specifically or anything like that.
Nah I didn't take that as an attack at all, I should have put some kind of emote or something. No offense taken at all no ill will towards ya. I understand that sentiment and the comedy behind it. Harder on the phone some times to type.
 

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At this rate we might have another war similiar to Grinch Leak and Banjo vs.Steve
 

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Can we just

Drop the Geno drama already
Yes. We should.

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Don't think it'll lead to Sony approaching the other console makers for anything, but if Sakurai / Nintendo are indeed open to Fate they might not have to jump through as many hoops since Sony's mobile efforts are classified as separate from their console offerings.
 

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Yes. We should.

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Don't think it'll lead to Sony approaching the other console makers for anything, but if Sakurai / Nintendo are indeed open to Fate they might not have to jump through as many hoops since Sony's mobile efforts are classified as separate from their console offerings.
Fate's a Type Moon thing so they wouldn't have to go to Sony regardless.
 

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I just wanna talk about Smash and grill, for Pete's sake. Can't we just discuss puppet man like any other character, without going at each other's throats? Is that too much to ask?
Geno discourse here is quite odd. He's the only big character that seems to be synonymous with the people who like him (and by that I mean discussion of the character isn't spurred on by a few individuals for the most part like with P.Kat P.Kat and Kat from Gravity Rush or Rie Sonomura Rie Sonomura and Elma/general Xenoblade Chronicles X stuff). I don't think I can recall seeing a discussion that didn't at least have the paraphrase "I don't want Geno because of his fans" spoken. The weirdest part is that the Geno fanbase is on the Geno thread. It ain't here. And when they are here they don't generally cause trouble other than taking offense to "I hate Geno fans" and then we do the whole Spiderman point meme.
 
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I guess they don't want the minority of Wii U owners buying it for $20 when they want to sell it again for $60.

Joke's on you Nintendo, I already bought it for the Wii U!

for like $50 when it came out
It seems to be an issue when users can't post about their most wanted (or, in some cases, can't post outside of the Geno thread at all) without having their choice picked apart or being insulted and called part of a cult.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1395#post-23704147
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-23922083
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2252#post-23830185
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1720#post-23746300
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3494#post-24041801
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3356#post-24021158
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1257#post-23691259
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3132#post-23983369

It doesn't help when this thread seems to treat bashing the Geno thread as a regularly scheduled activity that needs to happen every other week. I really wish this community would quit dividing itself up and picking on people based on which characters they want to see in a video game, of all things.
The idea that the Geno thread gets bashed because they want Geno and not because it's a hive of ridiculous conspiracy theories that has rejected any dissent to the point of exclusion and insularity is absurd. I'm a supporter of Geno, and I had to leave that thread because despite some great people there, it's impossible to have any discussion that isn't part of the echo chamber. They grew accustomed to the way things happen in that thread (and only in that thread) to the point where they now believe that site rules being enforced is censorship.

Moderation failed that thread.
 

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Yes. We should.

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Don't think it'll lead to Sony approaching the other console makers for anything, but if Sakurai / Nintendo are indeed open to Fate they might not have to jump through as many hoops since Sony's mobile efforts are classified as separate from their console offerings.
It's scary how 1 phone game can make soo much money.


It's scary how 1 phone game can make soo much money it gets its own spot in financial discussion.


It's scary how I play this kusoge because my friends do.
 

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I don't know if it was Sakurai or Nintendo's restraint, but I'm a bit surprised there was never an attempt at a Smash mobile game of some sort. Replicating a similar depth for actual fighting would have been impractical certainly, however its not hard to imagine a more stripped down version aka Mario Kart Tour being put out. Would make a lot of bank, even if many fans would never touch it out of sheer disinterest.
 

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It seems to be an issue when users can't post about their most wanted (or, in some cases, can't post outside of the Geno thread at all) without having their choice picked apart or being insulted and called part of a cult.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1395#post-23704147
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-23922083
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2252#post-23830185
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1720#post-23746300
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3494#post-24041801
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3356#post-24021158
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-1257#post-23691259
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3132#post-23983369

It doesn't help when this thread seems to treat bashing the Geno thread as a regularly scheduled activity that needs to happen every other week. I really wish this community would quit dividing itself up and picking on people based on which characters they want to see in a video game, of all things.
I can't speak for anyone but myself obviously. If other people are harrassing Geno threadgoers, that's obviously wrong too. But my opinion is still going to be shaped by what I observe. Obnoxious arrogance and kronk gifs, constant constructed anti-geno strawmen, and my own experience of being accused of trying to bully fatman for asking a simple question back when I had like 5 posts. Meanwhile, I've seen a few Geno thread posters integrate into this thread with no problem. If this has all been building up over years of abuse (and honestly I would have just left this community if I was legit getting abuse over dumb speculation in a children's video game), then I obviously can't speak for that, but explanation does not equal justification.

I personally have no intention of bashing the Geno thread at this point. The worst I can say about them is they've GREATLY overestimated what certain insiders know, and I'm not talking about Fatman here (Imran for example knows basically nothing about upcoming Japanese games beyond a little bit of Atlus stuff from some of his KF contacts, and I saw someone mentioning the ex-Restera mod Ron Paul in there who I actually know and he knows nothing). That's not a crime and I would hope people understand that, but I get that's hard on a big board like this and with the target demographic its subject has.

Edit: Also, I stand by my stance that anyone using the term "oppressed" or an equivalent over this nonsense is being completely absurd.
 
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I don't know if it was Sakurai or Nintendo's restraint, but I'm a bit surprised there was never an attempt at a Smash mobile game of some sort. Replicating a similar depth for actual fighting would have been impractical certainly, however its not hard to imagine a more stripped down version aka Mario Kart Tour being put out. Would make a lot of bank, even if many fans would never touch it out of sheer disinterest.
If it's anything like Mario Kart Tour, you know they're gonna lock high wants like Waluigi, Isaac, and Geno behind said mobile game lol
 
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If it's anything like Mario Kart Tour, you know they're gonna lock high wants like Waluigi, Isaac, and Geno behind said mobile game
That and Smash Fighters with alts/different clothes that are supposed to be a big deal:

'With enough Smash coins, you too can unlock party hat Pikachu!"
 

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I don't know if it was Sakurai or Nintendo's restraint, but I'm a bit surprised there was never an attempt at a Smash mobile game of some sort. Replicating a similar depth for actual fighting would have been impractical certainly, however its not hard to imagine a more stripped down version aka Mario Kart Tour being put out. Would make a lot of bank, even if many fans would never touch it out of sheer disinterest.
Whoa now, Satan. A Smash gacha game is one of the most heinous ideas I've ever heard of.


....Nintendo hire this person.
 

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I don't know if it was Sakurai or Nintendo's restraint, but I'm a bit surprised there was never an attempt at a Smash mobile game of some sort. Replicating a similar depth for actual fighting would have been impractical certainly, however its not hard to imagine a more stripped down version aka Mario Kart Tour being put out. Would make a lot of bank, even if many fans would never touch it out of sheer disinterest.
It would generally be a terrible experience for everyone. The mobile players would get suckered into paying for characters like Falco or Zelda, the Smash fans would hate how watered down the gameplay is, and then they'd add characters that Smash fans have been wanting for a while and the Smash fans would predictably go ballistic. Heck, Mario Kart fans are already going "why couldn't this character be in a console game" everytime a character that isn't a skin gets released.
 

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I don't know if it was Sakurai or Nintendo's restraint, but I'm a bit surprised there was never an attempt at a Smash mobile game of some sort. Replicating a similar depth for actual fighting would have been impractical certainly, however its not hard to imagine a more stripped down version aka Mario Kart Tour being put out. Would make a lot of bank, even if many fans would never touch it out of sheer disinterest.
Here me out...

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