Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Perkilator]

I think the biggest takeaway is that Nintendo is waiting to announce things when they’re ready instead of announcing things far in advanced without knowing if the pandemic will affect plans

So just because there is no big list of future games doesn’t mean there aren’t 2020 games https://t.co/HWwPDXalYm

— TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) August 5, 2020

This tweet brings up a very good point.

 

[Lamperouge]

I just want Xenoblade X and the Zelda remasters on Switch, man.

 

[P.Kat]

Hi everyone what's up its been a while, speaking of which as anyone seen/discussed this yet?

(9:07)
Obviously I'm not gonna get my hopes up since nothing is set in stone, but it certainly has made my smile wider, especially since it'll get more people to talk about Amaterasu, even if just a little bit more.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hi everyone what's up its been a while, speaking of which as anyone seen/discussed this yet?

Obviously I'm not gonna get my hopes up since nothing is set in stone, but it certainly has made my smile wider, especially since it'll get more people to talk about Amaterasu, Even if just a little bit more.

OH MY GOD! **** YES PLEASE! I WANT AMATERASU SO BAD!

Her or Wright, that's all I ask for a Capcom rep.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Taken from the Geno thread so take with a grain of salt but



time to arrange my Xenoblade X summoning circle

If a game is coming out in September, I imagine it will be the Mario collection possibly releasing on the 11th and would have to be revealed at the investors meeting in order to make that September 11th release so it can release on the 35th anniversary of the original Super Mario Bros and meet the 30 day deadline for Japanese retailers to start taking pre-orders.

I think the biggest takeaway is that Nintendo is waiting to announce things when they’re ready instead of announcing things far in advanced without knowing if the pandemic will affect plans

So just because there is no big list of future games doesn’t mean there aren’t 2020 games https://t.co/HWwPDXalYm

— TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) August 5, 2020

This tweet brings up a very good point.

Something I notice is that Club House Games, Origami King, and Pikmin 3 all were allowed to be pre-loaded the moment they were revealed, so Nintendo is pretty much waiting until the game's have gone gold and certain they will release it without having to publicly delay it as we saw with a bunch of games that have gotten delayed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Oh man, speaking of stages, I’d love if they brought back Meta Crystal from 64, especially if they brought it up to modern standards like Project M.

Not the most exciting layout, I’ll grant you, but it’d be awesome to have that stage be selectable in an official Smash game.

Although, it is a Super Smash Bros. stage, so they might give it the nostalgic look instead like they did with the others.

This Pikmin 3 news puts me in a pretty awkward situation.

I bought a used copy of Pikmin 3 on the Wii U, but never got around to actually playing it. If I ever somehow actually gain interest in playing the game, it would probably make more sense to just play the Wii U version, but that version has less stuff, and I don't really feel like going through the hassle of setting up my Wii U. I could always buy the Switch version but then I'd feel like a dope for buying a new version of a game when I never even touched the older version of a game I already bought.

This is a predicament I've never had before.

Maybe you could treat the Wii U version as a demo?

Hi everyone what's up its been a while, speaking of which as anyone seen/discussed this yet?

Obviously I'm not gonna get my hopes up since nothing is set in stone, but it certainly has made my smile wider, especially since it'll get more people to talk about Amaterasu, Even if just a little bit more.

Even better is the fact that Platinum Games doesn't own her, so them talking about her isn't a disconfirmation.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Lots of neglected Nintendo franchises getting some love, it's great to see! Metroid, Star Fox, and Pikmin have all gotten some love recently with heavy rumors around an F-Zero return. Can't wait to see what happens! Anyways, if you need me, I'll be in the corner waiting... still waiting...

 

[Shroob]

Lots of neglected Nintendo franchises getting some love, it's great to see! Metroid, Star Fox, and Pikmin have all gotten some love recently with heavy rumors around an F-Zero return. Can't wait to see what happens! Anyways, if you need me, I'll be in the corner waiting... still waiting...

......about those F-Zero rumors....


Are... you referring to the Twitter account?



Ya, it was fake. The day of the Direct, it started posting gay porn.

 

[cosmicB]

Taken from the Geno thread so take with a grain of salt but



time to arrange my Xenoblade X summoning circle

Just link directly to the tweets/posts they're talking about. Was already trying not to go in there, but saw the link and saw someone comparing the treatment Geno fans get to the Uighur Muslims in China's concentration camps.

On topic, I don't know how much I believe Zell and Grubb on this. Nate I find slightly more trustworthy working on the actual investment side of things, but yeah, fair to say take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Shroob]

Just link directly to the tweets/posts they're talking about. Was already trying not to go in there, but saw the link and saw someone comparing the treatment Geno fans get to the Uighur Muslims in China's concentration camps.

...... no, I refuse to believe someone would be THAT insensitive.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

......about those F-Zero rumors....


Are... you referring to the Twitter account?



Ya, it was fake. The day of the Direct, it started posting gay porn.

I’m still real salty about that tbh

Just link directly to the tweets/posts they're talking about. Was already trying not to go in there, but saw the link and saw someone comparing the treatment Geno fans get to the Uighur Muslims in China's concentration camps.

And yeah gimme a sec

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Just link directly to the tweets/posts they're talking about. Was already trying not to go in there, but saw the link and saw someone comparing the treatment Geno fans get to the Uighur Muslims in China's concentration camps.

On topic, I don't know how much I believe Zell and Grubb on this. Nate I find slightly more trustworthy working on the actual investment side of things, but yeah, fair to say take this with a grain of salt.

The **** idiots will say when it comes to caring about an one off obscure video game character from 25 years ago.

 

[SharkLord]

Just link directly to the tweets/posts they're talking about. Was already trying not to go in there, but saw the link and saw someone comparing the treatment Geno fans get to the Uighur Muslims in China's concentration camps.

On topic, I don't know how much I believe Zell and Grubb on this. Nate I find slightly more trustworthy working on the actual investment side of things, but yeah, fair to say take this with a grain of salt.

...They didn't actually say that, did they? That's too far, I can't see that happening. I refuse to believe it proof until you give me proof.

 

[Deleted member]

Just link directly to the tweets/posts they're talking about. Was already trying not to go in there, but saw the link and saw someone comparing the treatment Geno fans get to the Uighur Muslims in China's concentration camps.

No way, it has to be a troll. Look. I don't even like Geno but there's no way someone would say that seriously.

 

[WaddleMatt]

The F-Zero twitter was fake but that was not the only thing going in favour of F-Zero, there was the trademark and the glitches with the website that were happening too.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

C cosmicB unfortunately the ResetEra snapshot is A Snapshot For Ants but here’s the tweet in question.

The F-Zero twitter was fake but that was not the only thing going in favour of F-Zero, there was the trademark and the glitches with the website that were happening too.

Glitches??? I knew about the trademark but

 

[Shroob]

...They didn't actually say that, did they? That's too far, I can't see that happening. I refuse to believe it without proof.

Yeah, like.... I really can't believe it.

Comparing yourself to an oppressed populace who was ripped from their home that's most likely executed and experimented on inhumanely by an oppressive regime?


That's...uhhhh bruh

 

[JarBear]

It's important to read things than just make accusations. I wanted to join the Newcomer thread to show I am not being completely biased as a Geno fan. Here is that comment I made. It saddens me people take away what the conversation was and the context. I still stand by I will not "assume" things for entire fanbases, threads, etc., but what I see what's going on certainly is disappointing. Since at no point, there was no comparison to Geno fans and Uighurs. It was a current example of one party targeting another party for ... just being them.

In the future, I always recommend reading things for yourself and recognize the context than spreading false information.

Supirorguy said:
You make some great points, but if one community is very clearly causing issues or having issues thrown at them something needs to change. It's not even Geno thread where most of the problems surrounding Geno thread crop up. The thread has been very clearly ostracized and "cast out", but instead of trying to mend bridges it seems that most of the people here would rather burn them. Having watched Ridley and Banjo threads closely, this community will never be accepted so long as it doesn't try to acknowledge other communities. This is even seen with community members who were active in Ridley and Banjo thread. Even if it's been a year or longer since they actually got put into the game.


A target community must be the problem, they have to be the one in fault. That sounds like China's view on the Uighurs. Obviously those dang Uighurs were/are the problem ... so that party is at fault and needs to fix it ...

See how that doesn't make sense. Why is the targeted party "the problem" for just ... being something? Or in this case, wanting a particular character?

Reminds me of youtube videos when a person says on newcomer speculation of "I hope Geno get's in" with responses of "GeNOPE" "No way for our stupid puppet."

A sizable part of the community does not like long requested characters. That's how it is ... so the hated long character is the problem?

EDIT: I Also want to be clear I am not lumping "the whole community" into this, specifically those who have some strong hatred for a particular character/fandom from franchises that have been wanted in Smash for a long time.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

There was the trademark and the glitches with the website that were happening too.

Man just say F-Zero is dead. I can't take another fake leak about F-Zero! I knew that F-Zero twitter account was fake but it still killed me with the disrespect.

 

[cosmicB]

The treatment of an actual real world marginalized group shouldn't even enter your mind when talking about a character getting into a child's party game and the fanbase surrounding it. Hell, the term "oppression" or "oppressed" shouldn't be thrown around at all. That kind of hyperbole is extremely insensitive. Like, that's the height of privilege. It just makes me think of that one MLP fan that could finally empathize with Holocaust victims after someone poorly photoshopped Pinkie Pie into a picture of Auschwitz.

 

[Shroob]

It's important to read things than just make accusations. I wanted to join the Newcomer thread to show I am not being completely biased as a Geno fan. Here is that comment I made. It saddens me people take away what the conversation was and the context. I still stand by I will not "assume" things for entire fanbases, threads, etc., but what I see what's going on certainly is disappointing.

Supirorguy said:
You make some great points, but if one community is very clearly causing issues or having issues thrown at them something needs to change. It's not even Geno thread where most of the problems surrounding Geno thread crop up. The thread has been very clearly ostracized and "cast out", but instead of trying to mend bridges it seems that most of the people here would rather burn them. Having watched Ridley and Banjo threads closely, this community will never be accepted so long as it doesn't try to acknowledge other communities. This is even seen with community members who were active in Ridley and Banjo thread. Even if it's been a year or longer since they actually got put into the game.


A target community must be the problem, they have to be the one in fault. That sounds like China's view on the Uighurs. Obviously those dang Uighurs were/are the problem ... so that party is at fault and needs to fix it ...

See how that doesn't make sense. Why is the targeted party "the problem" for just ... being something? Or in this case, wanting a particular character?

Reminds me of youtube videos when a person says on newcomer speculation of "I hope Geno get's in" with responses of "GeNOPE" "No way for our stupid puppet."

A sizable part of the community does not like long requested characters. That's how it is ... so the hated long character is the problem?

EDIT: I Also want to be clear I am not lumping "the whole community" into this, specifically those who have some strong hatred for a particular character/fandom from franchises that have been wanted in Smash for a long time.

Gonna be straight with ya.

I realize you were making a point, but it's also not hard to see how someone could draw the comparison that's being made from a surface level analysis. That, and... I dunno even bringing up the point as a comparison feels really, really 'bad'.


You could, and probably should, have picked a more level-headed and understandable topic than, well, flat out racism and oppression via government.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

WaddleMatt whats this about glitches on the F-Zero(?) site?

 

[JarBear]

And that is fine, I can see that example would not have been the best. It would have been better to give a hypothetical example of:

Joey doesn't like Jack because Jack likes ice cream and Joey doesn't. Joey teases and harass Jack. Joe comes along and sees what happens and tells Jack to not like ice cream so much since it is his fault for Joey's dislike of him.

Anyway, at not way was I making a comparison nor trying to liken the two situations. Just the fact of One party against the other for being themselves and having a person on the outside say the party needs to make the change to not make the first one not like you. So although I do apologize for using that as an example, I still would like to make the point not to make accusations without looking at the facts and the actual information.

I would like to continue posting in the Newcomer thread to show for myself that you can like Geno and not be disliked for that fact without having things twisted from another thread.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

...... no, I refuse to believe someone would be THAT insensitive.

This is the internet we're talking about here. There is no standard too low for it to sink to, it will always finds a way to sink lower.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Man just say F-Zero is dead. I can't take another fake leak about F-Zero! I knew that F-Zero twitter account was fake but it still killed me with the disrespect.

But Trapeszium. It lives on in spirit through Smash!

 

[Megadoomer]

I’m still real salty about that tbh

And yeah gimme a sec

...They didn't actually say that, did they? That's too far, I can't see that happening. I refuse to believe it proof until you give me proof.

No way, it has to be a troll. Look. I don't even like Geno but there's no way someone would say that seriously.

It's a single post about scapegoating (replying to a post that basically said "if the Geno fandom is being treated poorly, it's the fault of the Geno fandom"), ironically taken out of context and used in an unsubtle attempt to make every single Geno supporter look bad.

It's not the best choice of comparison, but if I were to list other examples of poor comparison choices throughout this site alone, I'd be here all week. Just because one person makes a poorly-worded comparison, it doesn't mean that every single person who supports the same character can be judged based exclusively on that.

 

[Goombaic]

It's important to read things than just make accusations. I wanted to join the Newcomer thread to show I am not being completely biased as a Geno fan. Here is that comment I made. It saddens me people take away what the conversation was and the context. I still stand by I will not "assume" things for entire fanbases, threads, etc., but what I see what's going on certainly is disappointing.

Supirorguy said:
You make some great points, but if one community is very clearly causing issues or having issues thrown at them something needs to change. It's not even Geno thread where most of the problems surrounding Geno thread crop up. The thread has been very clearly ostracized and "cast out", but instead of trying to mend bridges it seems that most of the people here would rather burn them. Having watched Ridley and Banjo threads closely, this community will never be accepted so long as it doesn't try to acknowledge other communities. This is even seen with community members who were active in Ridley and Banjo thread. Even if it's been a year or longer since they actually got put into the game.


A target community must be the problem, they have to be the one in fault. That sounds like China's view on the Uighurs. Obviously those dang Uighurs were/are the problem ... so that party is at fault and needs to fix it ...

See how that doesn't make sense. Why is the targeted party "the problem" for just ... being something? Or in this case, wanting a particular character?

Reminds me of youtube videos when a person says on newcomer speculation of "I hope Geno get's in" with responses of "GeNOPE" "No way for our stupid puppet."

A sizable part of the community does not like long requested characters. That's how it is ... so the hated long character is the problem?

EDIT: I Also want to be clear I am not lumping "the whole community" into this, specifically those who have some strong hatred for a particular character/fandom from franchises that have been wanted in Smash for a long time.

Didn't you compare saying "Hype responsibly" to being a racist?

I think the issue @Supirorguy is there isn't a inherently wrong (or 100% be it) view point on certain things. But the take away is the appearance of/lack of genuineness to your points. Since I don't know you, I am not assuming things, just going by the appearance of things at this point.

Topics: Hype responsibly / no echo chamber / dismissing those who don't believe Geno is a lock as hate / be healthy.

There isn't anything inhertiantly wrong with those topics. True. But what is really fueling those topics is the assumption that "If Geno does not get in, the fandom is going to riot since they are unhealthy." When a person is using these topics and these "warnings" to a specific fandom, it is making an assumption. It is assuming EVERYONE thinks Geno is a lock, they will attack anyone who doesn't, we can't hype responsibly and we will riot since we are unhealthy.

Imagine if you went to a NCAAP meeting with a large group of its members and say "Hey guys, don't commit any crimes since you wouldn't want to go to jail." How would that go for you? Would they think "Oh, he is watching out for us and our health, I don't want to go to jail!" or more like "Because we are black you think we are predisposed to commit crimes?" I know the answer to that one.

That is why I am NOT a fan of telling fandoms to Hype Responsibly, don't riot, be healthy, you all attack people who don't agree with you, etc. etc.

At most, you can say that in the Newcomer's thread to Hype responsibly since it is not one particular fandom.

If a SPECIFIC CHARACTER support thread has people who think said character is a lock. That's fine. They don't need to be told how to feel or act IN THEIR OWN THREAD. At most, to be true to your thought, you need to go to EVERY SUPPORT THREAD and say these words to clear this misconception. Though I highly doubt anyone who does the whole "Hype Responsibly/Don't Riot/Etc. Etc don't do that.

It'ss always the Geno thread. We need to be the targets. Ridley, K Rool and Banjo bore this mentality, I guess we will need to as well until either a costume or fighter is revealed. I pity the next long requested fighter.

I know how Greninja felt in Smash 4. X character is too strong? Better nerf Grininja. Online is laggy? Better Nerf Grininja. Rinse and repeat.

Ok I said my peace and will not bring up this topic again.

I get being frustrated with trolls and assholes that probably visit the Geno thread every day, but did you really need to make a comparison that extreme?

 

[Shroob]

And that is fine, I can see that example would not have been the best. It would have been better to give a hypothetical example of:

Joey doesn't like Jack because Jack likes ice cream and Joey doesn't. Joey teases and harass Jack. Joe comes along and sees what happens and tells Jack to not like ice cream so much since it is his fault for Joey's dislike of him.

Anyway, at not way was I making a comparison nor trying to liken the two situations. Just the fact of One party against the other for being themselves and having a person on the outside say the party needs to make the change to not make the first one not like you. So although I do apologize for using that as an example, I still would like to make the point not to make accusations without looking at the facts and the actual information.

I would like to continue posting in the Newcomer thread to show for myself that you can like Geno and not be disliked for that fact without having things twisted from another thread.

The only thing I have against the fanbase is its dealing in absolutes, the thread is fine otherwise.

I'm not sure how things have changed since after the Direct, but as someone who's had good information in the past, and as someone who knows people who do know good info occasionally, the Gamespot leak just never made sense to me, yet so many folk were talking it as "100% confirmed", when, that's not how DLC characters are given to people to report on.



I think Geno still has a very, VERY good shot at coming, don't get me wrong, but I just wish people would dial their expectations back a bit and think rationally. There's nothing wrong with being excited, but if the next character is in fact not Geno, the Gamespot leak is going to look very silly in hindsight.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

But Trapeszium. It lives on in spirit through Smash!

Look I like Captain Falcon in Smash Bros but I just want to play another F-Zero racing game. Mario Kart just isn't good enough and I kind of hate it.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

What? Are they worried that the dead console version with less stuff is gonna cannibalize sales?

I guess they don't want the minority of Wii U owners buying it for $20 when they want to sell it again for $60.

Pikmin 3 (Wii U Digital) is $19.99 at Amazon https://t.co/817UKEpq0m
Best Buy https://t.co/ocgODgRNf8

game delisted from eShop since this morning pic.twitter.com/T9XRKNtB05

— Wario64 (@Wario64) August 5, 2020

 

[cosmicB]

And that is fine, I can see that example would not have been the best. It would have been better to give a hypothetical example of:

Joey doesn't like Jack because Jack likes ice cream and Joey doesn't. Joey teases and harass Jack. Joe comes along and sees what happens and tells Jack to not like ice cream so much since it is his fault for Joey's dislike of him.

Anyway, at not way was I making a comparison nor trying to liken the two situations. Just the fact of One party against the other for being themselves and having a person on the outside say the party needs to make the change to not make the first one not like you. So although I do apologize for using that as an example, I still would like to make the point not to make accusations without looking at the facts and the actual information.

I would like to continue posting in the Newcomer thread to show for myself that you can like Geno and not be disliked for that fact without having things twisted from another thread.

I have no problem with Geno fans as a whole and I'm sure a good 70%+ of the users in the Geno thread are fine, but in my time on this site I haven't seen another community that is simultaneously both very arrogant while somehow having this really weird persecution complex to the point they were super jumpy when I entered the thread to ask a super basic question. I've seen 6 separate posters from there use the term "oppressed" or an equivalent completely unironically. As if they think Geno finally getting in is a step removed from the Emancipation Proclamation.

Once again, we're having a speculative discussion about characters getting added into a child's video game. Things don't need to be so serious. Like, you want to talk about marginalized groups, I can give you quite a lot of info growing up Jewish in an area that hates Jews. We don't need to make dumb comparisons even if meant to be hyperbolic for stuff that ultimately doesn't matter that much.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So we just surpassed a 1000 pages over at the Shantae thread just recently: https://smashboards.com/threads/sha...new-wayforward.446536/page-1000#post-24045035

We are celebrating as I speak:

 

[-crump-]

Wait. I got Pikmin 3 digitally for free thanks to the Mario Kart 8 promotion, but I deleted it to save space (stupid mistake, I know). I’m guessing I can’t redownload it to my Wii U anymore?

This, kids, is why I buy my games physically (well actually it’s because I like looking at cool boxes)

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Curious if there will be any kind of significant September Switch release at this point given Crystal Chronicles this month and the Pikmin port in October. I want to say no given the lack of any reveal at this juncture, and even Origami King and Pikmin 3 were announced at least two months before their release dates.

But with how Nintendo has been this year, maybe a month and half window between announcement and release is possible.

 

[Shroob]

Curious if there will be any kind of significant September Switch release at this point given Crystal Chronicles this month and the Pikmin port in October. I want to say no given the lack of any reveal at this juncture, and even Origami King and Pikmin 3 were announced at least two months before their release dates.

But with how Nintendo has been this year, maybe a month and half window between announcement and release is possible.

Honestly? My guess is still a Smash character is their September "plan", so to speak.


While we've had patches without characters that add Amiibo functionality before, the Amiibos come out late September for Japan, we've yet to go a month of Amiibo release/restock that hasn't happened with a new character dropping.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Curious if there will be any kind of significant September Switch release at this point given Crystal Chronicles this month and the Pikmin port in October. I want to say no given the lack of any reveal at this juncture, and even Origami King and Pikmin 3 were announced at least two months before their release dates.

But with how Nintendo has been this year, maybe a month and half window between announcement and release is possible.

I guess we could wait and see if anything is announced at the shareholder's meeting, though I don't know if that's a thing they do regularly.

 

[I.D.]

Honestly? My guess is still a Smash character is their September "plan", so to speak.

I guess this is what Nintendo meant when they said they would be focusing more on DLC at the beginning of the year

 

[Shroob]

I guess this is what Nintendo meant when they said they would be focusing more on DLC at the beginning of the year

I feel like character 2 is definitely coming September


But I also feel like, that's probably it for the year with how slow they're going.

 

[Teeb147]

I feel like character 2 is definitely coming September


But I also feel like, that's probably it for the year with how slow they're going.

Yeah I mean considering how far we are in the year now, I only expect one more character announcement in 2020. Would be nice to get 2 though.

 

[3BitSaurus]

As far as announcements go, I do think there's a chance we'll get a reveal for CP8 around December or so. If not, probably early 2021.

Actual releases, though? Right now I think we'll just get CP7 and that'll be it for 2020.

If it does pan out like this, then 2021 would have one new character every 3 months, on average.