Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Perkilator]

Here’s a little game.
Of your most wanted characters, what is their most likely form of representation in Ultimate? Character, Mii Outfit, Assist Trophy, or Spirit Event?
Here’s mine.
Phoenix Wright- Character
Chell- Spirit Event
Neku Sakuraba- Mii Outfit
Saki Amamiya- already spirit and mii, but he’s been an assist trophy, so I’d say that
Steve- Character
Waluigi- there’s an obvious joke here I’m not going to make
Makoto Yuki- already Mii, probably gonna stay there
Asriel- Spirit event

Fighter: Sora, Crash, Sakura Shinguji, Bandana Dee
Mii Costume: Captain Toad, Axel Stone
Assist Trophy: Ryota Hayami
Spirit Event: Euden

 

[KillerCage]

Finally took the Geno hats off my avatar. Man, does it feel great!

So, about PreMiium costumes, which ones do you want to see?

A Mii Brawler costume of Sash Lilac.

 

[Cosmic77]

if you had to add 5 more pokemon reps who would it be and why?

Haven't responded to this yet surprisingly. Ordered by Pokedex number:

Zoroark - My favorite Gen 5 Pokemon. Bummed it never made it.
Lycanroc - Preference for Gen 7. We have Incineroar now though, so I think I'd want the others before this one.
Dragapult - Next choice after the Gen 8 Legendaries. Feels like it'd be unique, and I want more projectile-heavy characters.
Zacian/Zamazenta - Really want another Legendary. These two were literally designed to be warriors, so why not?

Was thinking of adding a Gen 3 Pokemon, but honestly, there isn't anyone I really want. Maybe Latias and Latios as a tag-team character, but they'd be hard to implement.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Here’s a little game.
Of your most wanted characters, what is their most likely form of representation in Ultimate? Character, Mii Outfit, Assist Trophy, or Spirit Event?

1. Ryu Hayabusa - Character
2. Bill Rizer/Lance - Mii Gunner
3. Arthur - Mii Swordfighter
4. Kunio/Riki - Mii Brawler(technically Spirits cause they already are)
5. Bub/Bob - Spirits

 

[Peridorito]

So, about PreMiium costumes, which ones do you want to see?

If I can't have Bomberman as an actual character I'd like a Bomberman brawler with this song.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Pretty sure that was settled already

Really? Last I heard, some other company was trying to get their hands on her.

 

[MooMew64]

Here’s a little game.
Of your most wanted characters, what is their most likely form of representation in Ultimate? Character, Mii Outfit, Assist Trophy, or Spirit Event?
Here’s mine.
Phoenix Wright- Character
Chell- Spirit Event
Neku Sakuraba- Mii Outfit
Saki Amamiya- already spirit and mii, but he’s been an assist trophy, so I’d say that
Steve- Character
Waluigi- there’s an obvious joke here I’m not going to make
Makoto Yuki- already Mii, probably gonna stay there
Asriel- Spirit event

Octoling - Already a Spirit, so they're already represented in some form! Obviously a fighter is my biggest wish, but I'm happy Agent 8 got in in some form.
Kiryu - Honestly, neither. It really would be a fighter or nothing for Yakuza IMO.
Eggman - Already a Spirit, but I could see a costume 100% if Sega gets another character like I'm expecting.
Waluigi - He's got a hat and a Spirit already, so if he ain't getting upgraded...
Yuri Lowell - I hate to say this, but his best odds are probably a Mii costume if Lloyd gets in as a fighter, lol. Could see a Spirit as well.
Kirby reps - Most already have a spirit, but I could see something fun and silly like a Gooey hat.
Steve - I see him getting at least a costume. I don't see Nintendo getting Minecraft of all things just for a Spirit event.
Hat Kid - Costume. Could definitely see being one of our PreMiium costumes.

 

[snowgolem]

PreMiium is a fan nickname. It also lacks a set definition, which is why there was some debate on whether or not Vault Boy was a PreMiium, since he's not an indie and lacks a song. Dunno who started it, but I'll gladly carry it on.

Thanks.
If we get a Shovel Knight, The Knight, Shantae etc as Miis, and they come with music, everybody should argue that they aren’t PreMiiums since they aren’t Gunners
Jokes aside, I personally think a Premium Mii is:
-Either Indie or not, that shouldn’t matter
-Has to have a song. Premium Mii implies that it comes with something other than just the Mii, being the music.
-Doesn’t matter whether the entire face is covered or not. That shouldn’t determine whether something is premium, because it’s not really special in any way. Samus isn’t premium (even though the mask has translucent parts) just because the head is obscured. A sans mii with a Mii inside of its mouth or a cuphead mii with the eyes being see thru wouldn’t have made sense. That’s why they’re made the way they are.
You can disagree, I don’t really care. I’m just following the definition of the word premium.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Here’s a little game.
Of your most wanted characters, what is their most likely form of representation in Ultimate? Character, Mii Outfit, Assist Trophy, or Spirit Event?
Here’s mine.
Phoenix Wright- Character
Chell- Spirit Event
Neku Sakuraba- Mii Outfit
Saki Amamiya- already spirit and mii, but he’s been an assist trophy, so I’d say that
Steve- Character
Waluigi- there’s an obvious joke here I’m not going to make
Makoto Yuki- already Mii, probably gonna stay there
Asriel- Spirit event

• Rhythm Heaven - Currently spirits and forever spirits
• Steve - Either Spirit event and/or Mii costume
• Elma - Already a spirit
• Farmer - Spirit Event
• Sora - hehe
• Bandana Waddle Dee - stuck as a spirit
• Ryu Hayabusa - Character
• Master Chief - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
• Segata Sanshiro - Assist Trophy
• Phoenix Wright - Spirit, maybe a potential Mii costume too (Feel like he'll be outprioitized by Dante)
• Arle - Mii Costume
• Crash - could see a character, but I wanna say Mii costume
• Cinderace - Spirit

Hayabusa's the only one that I feel even has a legitimate shot. Call me a pessimist, but hey, it's a good strat when it comes to dealing with your most wanteds, helped me with Min Min lol.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Man, I really want Eggman in Smash. I feel like he's a dark horse pick for sure. Tails and Shadow are more popular in speculation, and while I want them too, I feel like they'd mainly be brawlers. That's fine, I have nothing against brawlers, but I feel like Eggman offers so much more moveset potential with his Eggmobile and weapons

 

[7NATOR]

Man, I really want Eggman in Smash. I feel like he's a dark horse pick for sure. Tails and Shadow are more popular in speculation, and while I want them too, I feel like they'd mainly be brawlers. That's fine, I have nothing against brawlers, but I feel like Eggman offers so much more moveset potential with his Eggmobile and weapons

My only beef with Eggman is What Machine would they stick with? He could be in the Egg Mobile but there lies an issue of him being too Similiar to Bowser Jr. It would be epic if he could come in the Death Egg Robot, or the Egg Dragoon, Even the Egg Viper, but those Machines are big as hell, that he might have a Ridley Situation going on.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

All I imagine from Eggman being in Smash is GET A LOAD OF THIS

 

[MooMew64]

Man, I really want Eggman in Smash. I feel like he's a dark horse pick for sure. Tails and Shadow are more popular in speculation, and while I want them too, I feel like they'd mainly be brawlers. That's fine, I have nothing against brawlers, but I feel like Eggman offers so much more moveset potential with his Eggmobile and weapons

Yooooo same. Eggman would be such a unique pick, especially if Sakurai was a mad lad and put him in his SA2 mech.


Plus, we'd get Mike Pollock in Smash that is most definitely a wonderous thing.

• Rhythm Heaven - Currently spirits and forever spirits
• Steve - Either Spirit event and/or Mii costume
• Elma - Already a spirit
• Farmer - Spirit Event
• Sora - hehe
• Bandana Waddle Dee - stuck as a spirit
• Ryu Hayabusa - Character
• Master Chief - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
• Segata Sanshiro - Assist Trophy
• Phoenix Wright - Spirit, maybe a potential Mii costume too (Feel like he'll be outprioitized by Dante)
• Arle - Mii Costume
• Crash - could see a character, but I wanna say Mii costume
• Cinderace - Spirit

Hayabusa's the only one that I feel even has a legitimate shot. Call me a pessimist, but hey, it's a good strat when it comes to dealing with your most wanteds, helped me with Min Min lol.

Oh shoot, I forgot to put Cinderace, Arle, and Phoenix on my list lol.

I actually think Cinderace and Arle have pretty good chances to be playable. Like, IMO, I think Arle is a frontrunner for Sega ATM and Cinderace is definitely in the discussion for a Galar rep, especially with Scorbunny being a prominent character in the anime.

 

[StrangeKitten]

My only beef with Eggman is What Machine would they stick with? He could be in the Egg Mobile but there lies an issue of him being too Similiar to Bowser Jr. It would be epic if he could come in the Death Egg Robot, or the Egg Dragoon, Even the Egg Viper, but those Machines are big as hell, that he might have a Ridley Situation going on.

Eggmobile could be differentiated from Bowser Jr in many ways. Two characters using a cart/mobile thingy is hardly too many, imo

 

[7NATOR]

Eggmobile could be differentiated from Bowser Jr in many ways. Two characters using a cart/mobile thingy is hardly too many, imo

It could, It's just there is an Possiblity of that being the case

though honestly one cool thing they could do is Somehow create a Smash Original Designed Mech Suit for Eggman, that combines Aspects of his most Famous Inventions in terms of looks and Abilities. That would honestly be really cool, and would also kill the potential for being too big since it be uniquely designed

 

[PeridotGX]

All I imagine from Eggman being in Smash is GET A LOAD OF THIS

If Eggman gets in, how many hours do you think it'll be before someone mods in either the Real-Time Fan Dub (which is what the announcement is from) voice or the Cartoon voice?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If Eggman gets in, how many hours do you think it'll be before someone mods in either the Real-Time Fan Dub (which is what the announcement is from) voice or the Cartoon voice?

im so risking a console ban just to hear him say "I've come to make an announcement, Shadow the Hedgehog is a -" and also "WHO POSTED MY [NOT FOR GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS] ON TWITTER DOT COM?!"

 

[MooMew64]

If Eggman gets in, how many hours do you think it'll be before someone mods in either the Real-Time Fan Dub (which is what the announcement is from) voice or the Cartoon voice?

I'd give it less than two or so days before we'd get someone to make an AoSTH model and voice swap for him.

And they'd deserve a PRRRRRRRRRRROMOTION!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

If "snooping as usual I see" is one of Eggman's taunts the entire character will be worth it.

 

[PLANTMAN]

See, that's kinda why I actually doubt Sol being in.

I personally just don't think that, if ArcSys was getting a character, they would of given away their involvement away with the Kunio spirits. It'd be like if before Banjo & Kazooie got announced, Nintendo did a Perfect Dark or Minecraft spirit event. Alternatively it'd be like if we had gotten those Mana spirits before Cloud and Hero were included. I just don't see them telegraphing guest characters like that.

A spirit event that isn’t even the same series as guilty gear isn’t gonna stop nintendo from picking sol

Just as a at,mii outfit,spirit isn’t gonna stop nintendo from picking an arms rep

 

[-crump-]

If Eggman gets in, how many hours do you think it'll be before someone mods in either the Real-Time Fan Dub (which is what the announcement is from) voice or the Cartoon voice?

Stage entrance: “I’ve come to make an announcement-“

Star K.O: “Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP”

Final Smash: “That’s right this is what you get, my SUPER LASER PISS”

Victory screen: “How do you like that Obama?!”

 

[SharkLord]

Man, I really want Eggman in Smash. I feel like he's a dark horse pick for sure. Tails and Shadow are more popular in speculation, and while I want them too, I feel like they'd mainly be brawlers. That's fine, I have nothing against brawlers, but I feel like Eggman offers so much more moveset potential with his Eggmobile and weapons

Eggman I think might actually have the best shot out of the Sonic reps because of one little tidbit the others don't have: Badniks. The DILC isn't just fighters, they represent their whole game; Fighters, Spirits, songs, and a stage. Obviously, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow could cover the songs and stage pretty well, but they don't have much Spirits to add that they're bound to by more than just "same series." Eggman, on the other hand, has a whole plethora of Badniks and bosses to pull from. Bonus points if the title card reads Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Sonic The Hedgehog... Only for the latter half to shatter, and be replaced by Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X The Eggman Empire. As Sonic's arch-nemesis, it would be perfectly in-character for Eggman to pull that off.

On the other hand, he wouldn't have the cool game/movie hybrid design shown in the fan render and that makes me kinda bummed.

At long last, he's come to make an announcement! Here's Doctor Eggman from the Sonic the Hedgehog series! pic.twitter.com/c8nt0YIVzX

— Team Destination (@RendersSSBU) April 21, 2020

A Mii Brawler costume of Sash Lilac.

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As a unique little bonus, equipping her costume makes the Mii take extra damage from electric attacks, if you know what I mean.
(I feel so bad for making this joke I'm sorry)

 

[DevaAshera]

Here’s a little game.
Of your most wanted characters, what is their most likely form of representation in Ultimate? Character, Mii Outfit, Assist Trophy, or Spirit Event?

Saber - Mii Fighter Outfit or Character
2B - Character
Sora - Character
Velvet Crowe - Spirit Event
Asuka (Senran Kagura) - Nothing at All...
Rex & Pyra - Already both Mii Fighter Outfit & Spirits.

 

[snowgolem]

Rex & Pyra - Already both Mii Fighter Outfit & Spirits.

I read this as “Both Rex and Pyra have Mii Outfits, and both Rex and Pyra have Spirits” instead of “Rex and Pyra have both Miis and Spirits” (if that makes sense?) and I was so confused on how I’ve never seen the pyra mii and how it got in before the rex mii

 

[SharkLord]

I read this as “Both Rex and Pyra have Mii Outfits, and both Rex and Pyra have Spirits” instead of “Rex and Pyra have both Miis and Spirits” (if that makes sense?) and I was so confused on how I’ve never seen the pyra mii and how it got in before the rex mii

Rex is interesting among the characters deconfirmed in the base game because he's got a Mii already, but he can be double Mii'd with Pyra and Mythra, who would have to be part of his moveset. I think he's the only character in the game who could be double Mii'd.

 

[MooMew64]

Y'know, Sonic still not having a second character legit shocks me.

Like...I really, really thought at least Shadow would've happened by now. His AT really surprised me back in pre-release. Ah well, at least we have a Mania track in the game and plenty of Sonic Spirits. A shame his second stage is based off of Lost World, though: No offense to that game (I actually like LW, lol), but there are so, so, so many more interesting potential stages that could be used for Sonic.

I want a Pumpkin Hill stage and Sonic Colors stage so bad...

 

[snowgolem]

Rex is interesting among the characters deconfirmed in the base game because he's got a Mii already, but he can be double Mii'd with Pyra and Mythra, who would have to be part of his moveset. I think he's the only character in the game who could be double Mii'd.

I mean, thinking of characters who would need another in their moveset, UMvC3 Phoenix Wright comes to mind. Although not only is there no Phoenix mii in the game, there’s also no telling if Smash’s moveset would require Maya. As for Miis already in the game, it’s a stretch, but maaaybe the Persona protagonists? Similarly to Rex, they would need another character to be a part of their movesets (their personas) which could possibly be Mii’d. Although, I can see Pyra getting a Mii costume. But I wouldn’t expect the Personas, of the 3 and 4 protagonists of all people, to get a Mii unless, miraculously, one becomes a character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Rex is interesting among the characters deconfirmed in the base game because he's got a Mii already, but he can be double Mii'd with Pyra and Mythra, who would have to be part of his moveset. I think he's the only character in the game who could be double Mii'd.

This means Rex gets to be compared to Battleborn by taking an L multiple times when thought it'd finally get back up. What a ****ing world

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Found this on Twitter if anyone is bored.

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Capcom: Leon Kennedy
Namco: Nightmare
Nintendo: Bandana Waddle Dee
Shocking third-party: The Knight
Expected third-party: Rayman

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Found this on Twitter if anyone is bored.

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I know this is late but I wanted to do this anyways

Protoman: it was between putting him, bionic commando, or phoenix wright in.
Dig Dug: I chose him because ever since I played his game on a multi arcade, I been wanting him to join smash because I think he would be a cool character to add
Waluigi: I pretty sure this one doesn’t need a explanation
Crazy Dave: ever since I saw a moveset video by brawlfan1 on crazy Dave I have been wanting him in. Plants vs zombies 1 and 2 are really fun games to play on a phone if you have time to kill. And he would have a lot of things to pull from for moveset potential.
Doomguy: it was between him and Steve. Though I wasn’t sure if Steve and banjo counted as being from the same company. So I chose Doomguy.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I read this as “Both Rex and Pyra have Mii Outfits, and both Rex and Pyra have Spirits” instead of “Rex and Pyra have both Miis and Spirits” (if that makes sense?) and I was so confused on how I’ve never seen the pyra mii and how it got in before the rex mii

Pyra has a Mii costume. It's in Rex's Mii's hand.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Oooo I wanna join in too! I can't find your original post Evil Trapezium but here goes:

Capcom: Dante (Devil May Cry). This character is very unique and because we already have Mega Man and Street Fighter representation, I feel the Devil May Cry series is next up for Capcom representation (aside from Monster Hunter.)

Namco: Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia). I feel as though this character is long overdue to make an appearance in Smash. Lloyd would have a unique, fresh moveset, and I think the fact that his Mii Costume hasn't returned yet is a pretty good sign.

Nintendo: Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country 2). I would agree with you if you were to tell me that the Donkey Kong representation in Smash is complete, but I can't help but feel Dixie would really round it out when it comes to the main Donkey Kong characters. Having a Diddy-like character with different physics and unique moves from the DKC series would be awesome! Dixie has so many moves to pull from, and would be more welcome female representation.

Third Party: Crash (Crash Bandicoot). This is one of those legendary characters that would blow many minds, while also fitting the Smash aesthetic perfectly. It's not hard to picture Crash as a character; like Banjo, Crash has a moveset made for Smash. Crash is also one of the more popular 3D platformer reps, a gaming legend. I would love to see him added.

Third Party: Castle Crashers (Castle Crashers).

This game was a ton of fun, and so are these characters. If they were to somehow get into Smash, I'd imagine the character would be a gray knight with the abilities of the four main characters if that makes sense. Gray knight could use poison, fire, electricity, and ice. In addition, they could also pull from the moves of the other playable characters for more attack variety. Alternate skins would be the different knight colors (red, blue, orange, green, pink, purple, etc.) This is a major pipedream of mine, but I think they'd bring a new level of fun, uniqueness, and variety to Smash.

 

[I.D.]

Pyra has a Mii costume. It's in Rex's Mii's hand.

I know it's a popular meme among ironic weebs and detractors but Pyra isn't a sword.

 

[snowgolem]

I know it's a popular meme among ironic weebs and detractors but Pyra isn't a sword.

Exactly! It’s so fricking silly of them.

 

[Lamperouge]

This means Rex gets to be compared to Battleborn by taking an L multiple times when thought it'd finally get back up. What a ****ing world

Good god you're insufferable.

 

[Arcane Jill]

• ZUN himself as a Swordfighter, using a mug of beer as a sword.

The true Touhou Rep

Rex is interesting among the characters deconfirmed in the base game because he's got a Mii already, but he can be double Mii'd with Pyra and Mythra, who would have to be part of his moveset. I think he's the only character in the game who could be double Mii'd.

Would sting if Rex got this treatment, but I would also have to laugh at the absurdity of the double Mii.

 

[Deleted member]

Finally took the Geno hats off my avatar. Man, does it feel great!

So, about PreMiium costumes, which ones do you want to see?

I'd like to see Candyman from Lethal League Blaze, just so there's one song by Hideki Naganuma in the game after they removed Right There, Ride On.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Good god you're insufferable.

This wasn't even meanspirited lmao. Though I suppose Battleborn's too obscure for most people to know it was an ok game and not absolute trash

 

[PLANTMAN]

This means Rex gets to be compared to Battleborn by taking an L multiple times when thought it'd finally get back up. What a ****ing world

Not only that but most who support elma I believe if that happened they would go crazy thinking she’s very likey to get in at this point. But I wouldn’t mind pyra mii tbh

but what they don’t know is that there’s also fiora they have to go through

 

[Garteam]

The Pyra mii is getting released alongside the Dante, 2B, Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyd, and Sora miis for Sigurd's pack, obviously.