Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Swamp Sensei]

Imagine Faust fingering everyone...
Yes... everyone including Kirby, Ridley, Zero Suit Samus and others.

Faust was my most wanted Arc Sys character.

Now he's my least wanted.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Imagine Faust fingering everyone...
Yes... everyone including Kirby, Ridley, Zero Suit Samus and others.

Edit: I'm talking about that finger gun thing he does.

...Even ? Because I don't want to.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Fighter Pass 2 will now only contain characters that out range the last character before them.

so thr next character is Merkava?

 

[Mamboo07]

...Even ? Because I don't want to.

Don't forget Kirby I mentioned who's a child.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Imagine Faust fingering everyone...
Yes... everyone including Kirby, Ridley, Zero Suit Samus and others.

HEY! PHRA-

Edit: I'm talking about that finger gun thing he does.

...sing?

 

[chocolatejr9]

HEY! PHRA-



...sing?

Sing? You want a character who can sing? I mean, I guess that group's a bit underrepresented...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

HEY! PHRA-



...sing?

No he phrased it correctly.

Faust fingers his opponents. Some even like it.

 

[Perkilator]

Sing? You want a character who can sing? I mean, I guess that group's a bit underrepresented...

Hence why we should've gotten Azura instead of Corrin if we needed a rep from Fates.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Imagine Faust fingering everyone...
Yes... everyone including Kirby, Ridley, Zero Suit Samus and others.

Edit: I'm talking about that finger gun thing he does.

You might need to work on your choice of words from now on.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Don't forget Kirby I mentioned who's a child.

Dunno because game and anime canon aren't the same, but I definitely forgot Pichu at least.

 

[cashregister9]

Sing? You want a character who can sing? I mean, I guess that group's a bit underrepresented...

I mean Idolm@ster started out as a video game and it was created by Bamco

 

[Dark Bagel]

so thr next character is Merkava?

I sincerely hope so

 

[SKX31]

Since you're also part of the MOBA crowd... how would you feel about a character with hooks?

Hmm, are you asking that since two of the most famous MOBA characters (Blitzcrank, Pudge) "hook up" with their opponents using their skillshots? Well, we do have an already existing template: Link's grab pre-Ultimate (also, Young / Toon Link's), Samus' (both normal and ZSS) beam and Luigi's Poltergust. I'm sure I'm missing some tethers, but point stands.

I could see a hook-based character working, but it'd need to be very carefully balanced. The Links and Samus' grabs have been overall inconsistent - they're highly commital, and that's generally been dangerous for the Links and Samus since one missed grab can be punished. While Luigi's Poltergust is very low commital* and has very high reward. Namely, a Zero-to-Death (MockRock goes further into Poltergust here when he criticized it). Luigi had the insane combos before Poltergust, but Poltergust added extra safety to it.

I honestly think a hook-wielding character (whether it comes from a MOBA or not) could benefit from having some utility with the hook itself, but not gain too much reward from it. Sure, we have Links' / Samus' tether recoveries, but there's more room for a hook or tether as a positioning tool on stage or as an approach option.

*(Honestly, that's what I personally dislike about it, since characters facing Luigi arguably benefit from retreating and taking damage to the point the Zero-to-Death no longer works. Of course, I'm talking skilled Luigis that can pull this off to begin with, but point still stands. I also dislike it because it's overcentralized to Luigi's playstyle. Adding just a couple extra frames of lag to Poltergust could help alliviate this.)

 

[SharkLord]

I can't wait for yet another character to out-range our "Distance Demon".

Do Touhou characters count? Or are we just doing absurd melee range? Because Touhou fighters have a lot of projectiles compared to most fighters. Just download a Touhou character in MUGEN and pit them up against someone else, and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay guys be real with me for a second.

How many of you didn't know Faust's err... attack?

Cause these reactions tell me you guys never knew.

 

[RileyXY1]

Question. How do we feel about a Witcher rep?

Geralt is ineligible for Smash, as he did not debut in a video game.

 

[ShrimpScampi]

Fighter Pass 2 will now only contain characters that out range the last character before them.

If we're talking outranging previous characters there's always Nu-13 who can spawn energy swords far from her. Imagine a character with aerials / smash attacks that could spawn at Explosive Flame range

 

[SharkLord]

Okay guys be real with me for a second.

How many of you didn't know Faust's err... attack?

Cause these reactions tell me you guys never knew.

Oh, I know about it all right. I just don't talk about it because this is clearly the superior special move:

 

[Mamboo07]

Dunno because game and anime canon aren't the same, but I definitely forgot Pichu at least.

Anime = Kirby is a baby
Game = Kirby is a 9-year old child

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Geralt is ineligible for Smash, as he did not debut in a video game.

And Dracula?

The original book version yes but the game version is eligible.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Okay guys be real with me for a second.

How many of you didn't know Faust's err... attack?

Cause these reactions tell me you guys never knew.

i knew it when it was known as "1000 Years of Death" in Naruto

And Dracula?

The original book version yes but the game version is eligible.

Dracula's different - he originated in Nosferatu, which is now in the public domain cause it's been decades since the creator's death.

...wait... Felix the Cat is public domain too... oh boy

 

[CapitaineCrash]

And Dracula?

The original book version yes but the game version is eligible.

The Dracula in Smash is the Castlevania's Dracula, so it is a video game franchises. Geralt from the book is also Geralt from the game, it's the same franchise and same character.

 

[I.D.]

Dracula's different - he originated in Nosferatu, which is now in the public domain cause it's been decades since the creator's death.

Nosferatu is an unofficial adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula.

The Dracula in Smash is the Castlevania's Dracula, so it is a video game franchises.

Bram Stoker's Dracula is canon in the Castlevania timeline.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Hmm, are you asking that since two of the most famous MOBA characters (Blitzcrank, Pudge) "hook up" with their opponents using their skillshots? Well, we do have an already existing template: Link's grab pre-Ultimate (also, Young / Toon Link's), Samus' (both normal and ZSS) beam and Luigi's Poltergust. I'm sure I'm missing some tethers, but point stands.

I could see a hook-based character working, but it'd need to be very carefully balanced. The Links and Samus' grabs have been overall inconsistent - they're highly commital, and that's generally been dangerous for the Links and Samus since one missed grab can be punished. While Luigi's Poltergust is very low commital* and has very high reward. Namely, a Zero-to-Death (MockRock goes further into Poltergust here when he criticized it). Luigi had the insane combos before Poltergust, but Poltergust added extra safety to it.

I honestly think a hook-wielding character (whether it comes from a MOBA or not) could benefit from having some utility with the hook itself, but not gain too much reward from it. Sure, we have Links' / Samus' tether recoveries, but there's more room for a hook or tether as a positioning tool on stage or as an approach option.

*(Honestly, that's what I personally dislike about it, since characters facing Luigi arguably benefit from retreating and taking damage to the point the Zero-to-Death no longer works. Of course, I'm talking skilled Luigis that can pull this off to begin with, but point still stands. I also dislike it because it's overcentralized to Luigi's playstyle. Adding just a couple extra frames of lag to Poltergust could help alliviate this.)

League also has Thresh, but yes, I'd argue Blitzcrank is more recognizable.

What's scary about a hook-based character from a MOBA is that they often have some form of hindering the target's movement going along with the hook - Blitz has Power Fist, which knocks the target upwards, and Pudge can reduce movement speed with Rot. By itself, there's nothing wrong with that, but imagine that coupled with Ultimate's online and you have a potential salt machine in the making.

Not that I think either of them would make it, but it's just fun to think about.

 

[Digital Hazard]

And Dracula?

The original book version yes but the game version is eligible.

Dracula is a public domain character and is specifically the one from Castlevania.

It's like in the unlikely but hypothetical scenario Saber would make it in: King Arthur is a public domain character, but the one that would specifically get in is the Fate incarnation, which her parent company, Type-Moon, has actual ownership of her specific image.

 

[SharkLord]

i knew it when it was known as "1000 Years of Death" in Naruto


Dracula's different - he originated in Nosferatu, which is now in the public domain cause it's been decades since the creator's death.

...wait... Felix the Cat is public domain too... oh boy

Actually, Dracula originated in Bram Stoker's novel Dracula. Nosferatu was created specifically because the producers didn't have the rights to Dracula, and the character was renamed to Orlok. Since Stoker died over a century ago, Drac's a public domain character now.

 

[RileyXY1]

And Dracula?

The original book version yes but the game version is eligible.

They are the same person. Geralt getting in would ruin Smash's integrity as a video gaming crossover.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Oh, I know about it all right. I just don't talk about it because this is clearly the superior special move:

Spongebob would like to know your location.

i knew it when it was known as "1000 Years of Death" in Naruto


Dracula's different - he originated in Nosferatu, which is now in the public domain cause it's been decades since the creator's death.

...wait... Felix the Cat is public domain too... oh boy

I'm starting to think we don't want to open the can of worms labeled "Public Domain"...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If Geralt was public domain, I'd have no qualms with him.

But he isn't.

 

[cashregister9]

The character of Dracula is not an IP.

EDIT: The Witcher games and the Witcher Books and are considered the same IP regardless of how separate they are. Castlevania is not part of the same property as the Dracula book.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The character of Dracula is not an IP.

I mean.

Neither is Geralt?

Witcher is the IP.

 

[RileyXY1]

I mean.

Neither is Geralt?

Witcher is the IP.

Witcher started out as a book. Geralt is ineligible for being a playable character. Dracula is not playable, so he doesn't count.

 

[Deleted member]

Question. How do we feel about a Witcher rep?

Honestly, despite its status as a multimedia franchise, I'm willing to say Geralt is possible. There are some debatable things around its chances (like the franchise starting as a novel series and the games being Z rated in Japan), but I'm predicting him to be a wildcard pick for Vol 2 because of the games' critical acclaim. Besides, if any multimedia franchise were to be in Smash, The Witcher is probably a lot likelier than, say, anything from Shonen Jump.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Witcher started out as a book. Geralt is ineligible for being a playable character. Dracula is not playable, so he doesn't count.

Why are you quoting my post to tell me this?

I already said I agreed earlier.

 

[RileyXY1]

Honestly, despite its status as a multimedia franchise, I'm willing to say Geralt is possible. There are some debatable things around its chances (like the franchise starting as a novel series and the games being Z rated in Japan), but I'm predicting him to be a wildcard pick for Vol 2 because of the games' critical acclaim. Besides, if any multimedia franchise were to be in Smash, The Witcher is probably a lot likelier than, say, anything from Shonen Jump.

But still, as a non-video game series, Geralt would make Smash no longer a video game crossover, opening the doors to the likes of James Bond, who also started as a novel character.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Question. How do we feel about a Witcher rep?

I think he could get in, Witcher is much more famous for its games than for the books anyway, so it's not like he'd be representing anything other than videogames.

Also, I'll just quietly slide the "Shin Megami Tensei also started with books" card on the table preemptively...

 

[Digital Hazard]

Dracula is not playable, so he doesn't count.

How does he not count? Dracula is in the game, playable or not, that means that they had to get the rights to use the image of the specific Castlevania incarnation of a public domain character.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Spongebob would like to know your location.

I'm starting to think we don't want to open the can of worms labeled "Public Domain"...

Well as far as public domain...

Spoiler

She was in an SNES game, just saying.

 

[SKX31]

Dracula is a public domain character and is specifically the one from Castlevania.

It's like in the unlikely but hypothetical scenario Saber would make it in: King Arthur is a public domain character, but the one that would specifically get in is the Fate incarnation, which her parent company, Type-Moon, has actual ownership of her specific image.

Then again, Nintendo (and Konami) have already leaned into public domain elements with Death. Sure, he's Dracula's right hand in Castlevania, but he's implicitedly the Grim Reaper (something Luigi got, well, first hand experience of) - specifically the Western medieval figure. Oh and there's also his scythe as an item, which doesn't kid around with its description:

"You can KO highly damaged opponents with a well-placed smash attack from this scythe. A black aura will surround your opponent right before you attack, signaling an instant KO!! "

Pretty sure Death's Scythe didn't instantly KO / kill in Castlevania (unless I'm missing a game here).

If Type-Moon wanted to they could have Arthurian imagery alongside Saber (if they haven't already, I'm really unfamiliar with the franchise) without much of a problem. Just like Kid Icarus borrows very loosely from Greek mythology for its roster, or Prince of Persia has distinctincly Persian style to it.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think he could get in, Witcher is much more famous for its games than for the books anyway, so it's not like he'd be representing anything other than videogames.

Also, I'll just quietly slide the "Shin Megami Tensei also started with books" card on the table preemptively...

Persona didn't, and Joker is a purely video game character, having debuted in Persona 5.