Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Guynamednelson]

People out here thinking that Min Min only got in because Spring Man was an assist and not that Min Min was creatively superior to Springo in every way

Min Min got in cuz Yabuki wanted her, nothing more, nothing less

If we had "The next fighter will be from...Golden Sun!" and just got Felix, that would be better proof that the AT is an issue. Gameplay-wise, Felix is like an echo fighter for Isaac in their own series. An echo like the original two, at least.

 

[7NATOR]

Min-Min did get in on her own, That's a fact

However I have a theory that perhaps Sakurai was never considering Spring-Man for a reason. Perhaps he gonna upgrade an Assist, but he wants that Assist Upgrade to be someone specfic. That character is not Spring-Man.

And No, I Don't think a Assist Character would be Picked just because they are an assist, but of their own merits. Maybe that's why Sakurai avoided the Assist Trophy thing. Not even a mention in the Presentation

Plus Squid Sisters also got a Mii Costume. If it's like the Indie and Western Costumes, it could be a Sign

 

[zferolie]

Only now catching up to what's been going on since I was gone. Y'all really bullied another leaker out of commission?

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****'s wrong with people man, imma switch to Sony if these manchildren don't get their samus-amiibo-in-a-jar looking ass together.

don't think anyone here did it, it was mostly the twitter manbabies

 

[Mamboo07]

Here's a lesson for you guys:
Stop believing in leaks and false hype, your disappointment is your own fault.

 

[N3ON]

Min Min got in cuz Yabuki wanted her

Nothing more, nothing less

You're very trusting

 

[Nekoo]

Here's a lesson for you guys:
Stop believing in leaks and false hype, your disappointment is your own fault.

Welcome to the smash speculation.
It is your first ride? Because it's the same **** as in 2006 here.

 

[Guynamednelson]

However I have a theory that perhaps Sakurai was never considering Spring-Man for a reason

That reason was that he sees less moveset potential in Spring Man.

 

[Luigi The President]

Y'all still absolutely insane huh?

 

[7NATOR]

That reason was that he sees less moveset potential in Spring Man.

Alright, then it's not the only reason, it's just one of few

 

[Guynamednelson]

Y'all still absolutely insane huh?

Insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting things to change.

So yes.

 

[Deleted member]

Y'all still absolutely insane huh?

madam president

 

[Luigi The President]

madam president

WTF Faygo real??? @punished faygo Uh could wwe be seeing a shulk amiibo in wave 2?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Y'all still absolutely insane huh?

Hey beautiful
Long time no see

What’s your thinking on this whole thing?

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'd somewhat agree with you if Joker was labeled and considered by Sakurai/Nintendo as a MegaTen rep.

Sakurai/Nintendo don't decide what franchise an Atlus game belongs to.

Persona is a part of MegaTen whether Sakurai acknowledges that or not.

I think the relationship between SMT and Persona is similar to that between Xenosaga and Xenoblade.

It's not. One is an official spinoff series. The other is a spiritual successor made by a different company.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

pic.twitter.com/e9jay8o02a

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 21, 2020

my mans dedede is the epitome of don’t give a ****

 

[Luigi The President]

Hey beautiful
Long time no see

What’s your thinking on this whole thing?

LMAOOO HEY NSP!

I'd give you my opinion but I need to know what the whole thing is first. Someone recap me so I can give you my terrible opinions.

 

[Droodle]

Only now catching up to what's been going on since I was gone. Y'all really bullied another leaker out of commission?

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****'s wrong with people man, imma switch to Sony if these manchildren don't get their samus-amiibo-in-a-jar looking ass together.

Blame the twitter people. Like seriously people under the tweet of a partner showcase said we'd see things like Xenoblade Chronicles 3, a new FE game, Mario Odyssey 2, Metroid Prime 4, BOTW, F-Zero, Geno in Smash, etc. How can you expect all of those in a direct mini focusing on 3rd parties? Don't get me wrong it was still a bad direct regardless, but still... Some of them were even thinking Atlus meant Persona 5 was coming to the Switch.

Meanwhile, I a true gamer appreciated that SMT 5 trailer and Nocturne remastered in all it's glory. And also Ryza 2 and Sakuna got robbed in the Western direct, Nintendo please notice that it would've been better for those game to be shown off compared to Rogue Company 2 and WWE. At the very least they look decent.

And yeah, it sucks that the hate mob pretty much decided to shun Kelios when he literally leaked the fact that we were getting the July Direct weeks in advance. Kelios was bamboozled by the quality of the direct, but he didn't deserve hate for that. Just goes to show how much in disarray Nintendo is in right now that even insiders don't really know what's going on.

To be honest I don't even know what insiders get from leaking Nintendo info. It's like you're painting a target on your back; is the attention worth dealing with a mob of manchildren? I don't doubt some insiders like seeing people get hyped up, but even then... It's no wonder why a lot of "Nintendo Insiders/leakers" keep themselves/try to keep themselves away from everything nowadays, it's impossible to say anything due to the toxicity. It would also explain why real Smash leaks aren't as common as they were last year (that and S***bi ruining lives of course).

 

[Deleted member]

WTF Faygo real??? @punished faygo Uh could wwe be seeing a shulk amiibo in wave 2?

all im saying is that if we arent playing as next week by shulk amiibo ill be very surprised

 

[CapitaineCrash]

What's weird about Spring man is that a bit after the game's release, Sakurai mentionned that he wanted Spring man in base game, but in the Arms presentation he said that he wanted Ninjara more but pick Min min because Yabuki said to pick her. While it is weird that he didn't go for Spring man despite being his first choices, we don't know why he didn't consider Spring man. I don't really see how Spring man have less moveset potential than Ninjara considering that both do pretty much the same stuff but Ninjara can vanish and reappear but that's kind of how dodging work in a less stylish way.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What's weird about Spring man is that a bit after the game's release, Sakurai mentionned that he wanted Spring man in base game,

Iirc, he never specifically mentioned Spring Man, just an ARMS rep in general

 

[Ben Holt]

Sakurai/Nintendo don't decide what franchise an Atlus game belongs to.

Persona is a part of MegaTen whether Sakurai acknowledges that or not.

I mean, Wario and Yoshi get their own series logos. Donkey Kong as well, but that's more understandable. Honestly surprised that Luigi's Mansion hasn't gotten its own series logo, but that's probably because Luigi was playable before that subseries came out.
So Persona and SMT being considered different series isn't too surprising.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Y'all still absolutely insane huh?

hey LTP guess what

Please save us from speculation hell.

 

[KillerCage]

Only now catching up to what's been going on since I was gone. Y'all really bullied another leaker out of commission?

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****'s wrong with people man, imma switch to Sony if these manchildren don't get their samus-amiibo-in-a-jar looking ass together.

I'M INNOCENT!
Please don't kill me Goku Black!

{realizes who his avatar is} Oh #@(&...
I just made myself look guilty.
I'M GOING OUT IN STYLE!

 

[Luigi The President]

hey LTP guess what

Please save us from speculation hell.

O-Oh my god... is that TPC himself saying I'm... o-oh jeepers... oh shucks... oh gosh... oh wow...

You know what just for that? Yeah I'll save this thread LOL

 

[Deleted member]

i've been playing a lot of final fantasy 7 lately. any chance of cloud strife as dlc? he's a bit of a long shot being owned by square enix and all but idk i think he'd be fun

 

[7NATOR]

Okay So My Mind came up with an Interesting question

Do you think if Hypothetically, if someone Who didn't ave Sources, Decided to Play Leaker and is able to fake it well, could get Real Leaks and actually fake it till they make it

 

[Luigi The President]

i've been playing a lot of final fantasy 7 lately. any chance of cloud strife as dlc? he's a bit of a long shot being owned by square enix and all but idk i think he'd be fun

Are you a literal dumb idiot moron? Imagine thinking Cloud would get in over 2B LOL

Okay So My Mind came up with an Interesting question

Do you think if Hypothetically, if someone Who didn't ave Sources, Decided to Play Leaker and is able to fake it well, could get Real Leaks and actually fake it till they make it

Yeah I did this back in the day

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Hey, could of been worse. We could of got Pokemon Unity again for 10 minutes.

 

[Wunderwaft]

i've been playing a lot of final fantasy 7 lately. any chance of cloud strife as dlc? he's a bit of a long shot being owned by square enix and all but idk i think he'd be fun

Finally

Our Kingdom Hearts rep is here

 

[Deleted member]

Are you a literal dumb idiot moron? Imagine thinking Cloud would get in over 2B LOL

theres literally no need to be this toxic. this is why the smash fanbase is hated so much. people like you

 

[Luigi The President]

theres literally no need to be this toxic. this is why the smash fanbase is hated so much. people like you

You are the worst person I ever met on Toontown

 

[Deleted member]

You are the worst person I ever met on Toontown

you have ruined my life

 

[Luigi The President]

you have ruined my life

Anime in icon opinion irrelevant

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

O-Oh my god... is that TPC himself saying I'm... o-oh jeepers... oh shucks... oh gosh... oh wow...

You know what just for that? Yeah I'll save this thread LOL

hello everyone i would like to announce my next project it is an essay called why LTP is based

she is based because she spends her time meditating in the mountains instead of engaging in our petty squabbles, so when she shows up here she can look down on us peons like she has every right to do

thus is the tragic fate of speculation...the more time you spend away the bigger your brain gets

i wish i could be as big brained as ltp but instead i am like this cat

yes thatis me

edit: is that a cat? i think it is but i dont know?

 

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, Wario and Yoshi get their own series logos.

Right, but, that doesn't mean those series aren't still Mario spinoffs.

I just don't see getting a 2nd MegaTen rep in Ultimate very likely. Just like I don't think a 2nd KoF rep or a 2nd Dragon Quest rep is likely.

 

[Deleted member]

Anime in icon opinion irrelevant

please stop bullying me i am emotioanlly . fragile

 

[Digital Hazard]

No, thats like thinking only Liu Kang can represent Mortal Kombat, Sakurai flat out stated his reasoning, gave plenty of it, and even then fans were already predicting other characters for a variety of reasons, none of it related to the AT issue. If people STILL want to pretend all of it doesnt count just to say theres a rule and thats why their "prediction" was wrong or that the character got robbed simly because you predicted etc.. (no really you cant just go "all this evidence saying otherwise doesnt count because I dont want to and I wanted to predict otherwise even though I have no sourcing: this is what flat-earthers do").

then its time to accept this is denial and move on. Springman is NO Ryu and never will be, he had one game, tons of fighting games have the villain or a someone who started as a side character being considered the face or being used in all of its crossovers, its nothing new, even amongst Heavy Hitters, the "Ryus" are pretty rare actually.

At best Springo can be an important character later on depending on what a sequel does but he ain't no Scorpion, no Morrigan, no Nightmare, no Heihachi etc, now you can give a technicality as to why these examples were actually the traditional protagonists all along because of this or that, but the same goes for Springo and Minmin, make an Arms 2 with the whole cast in the cover or with a new guy, or with Min Min and this discussion is done. Its time that people accept their preditction just happened to be wrong, he wasnt going to make it and that it doesnt interfere at all with any other AT getting in, because even if Sakurai is against it, this STILL has nothing to do with the ARMs choice as it didnt even get to that point, Sakurai was flat out considering the two finalists of the big tourney even.

The difference is that Springo is in the cover and most ARMS marketing while Liu Kang is not.

Also he's the main character of that yet to be released graphic novel.

And as far as little story ARMS has, Coyle was interested enough in him to create a robot duplicate of him, and there's implications to a connection with Max Brass because they have similar gameplay, which is still above other characters even if not by much.

 

[Luigi The President]

hello everyone i would like to announce my next project it is an essay called why LTP is based

she is based because she spends her time training in the mountains instead of squabbling with us peons, so when she shows up here she can look down on us like she has every right to do

thus is the tragic fate of speculation...the more time you spend away from spec the bigger your brain gets

i wish i could be as big brained as ltp but instead i am like this cat

yes thatis me

My mountain training has to be done so I can one day go to Sakurai's house and

Spoiler

kiss him a little on the cheek to convince him to drop the Geno patch

it's a very difficult endeavor I don't fault you peasants for not following in my footsteps (top 50 liked user on site btw)

That video is you explaining how Bravely Defaultman is a lock and me nodding along with curiosity

please stop bullying me i am emotioanlly . fragile

Lol august 5th faygo gets owned lol

 

[SharkLord]

Anime in icon opinion irrelevant

Joke's on you, Pinocchio is anime too!

 

[Aetheri]

i've been playing a lot of final fantasy 7 lately. any chance of cloud strife as dlc? he's a bit of a long shot being owned by square enix and all but idk i think he'd be fun

Prrrf...no need to get crazy now

Next people will be asking for that old N64 duo now owned by Microsoft