Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SharkLord]

The internet is simultaneously the best and worst thing that ever happened to society.

For now, at least. Honestly, every time a world-changing advancement is made, it becomes the new best and worst thing to happen. I bet a lot of cavemen were terrified when Mr. Unga came back with fire on a stick.

Okay but why?

I hear over and over how SMT fans tend to be salty at how Persona gets most of the spotlight, so why review bomb the series they actually like?

Because it's not Persona 5 for Nintendo Switch. That's why.

But I'm getting off-topic. So tell me, what would a Demi-Fiend moveset look like?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm currently assuming they're Frisk Undertaling them to be ambiguously-gendered.

Except they're literally wearing a Japanese boy's school uniform.

I don't think their gender is ambiguous at all.

 

[DarthEnderX]

And yeah besides smash my switch has been gathering dust.

I've been playing Xenoblade Chronicles all month.

Don't think I'll be playing any more of them though. Don't think it's particularly good, and this is supposedly the best one.

it's sad when this **** almost always happens just because an actual decent to good leaker got a thing or two wrong.

No such thing. There are only fake leakers, and fake leakers who are luckier guessers than the others.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Okay but why?

I hear over and over how SMT fans tend to be salty at how Persona gets most of the spotlight, so why review bomb the series they actually like?

Because Nintendo fans are mad SMT showed up instead of Mario, the Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Smash, etc etc etc.

 

[WaxPython]

I've been playing Xenoblade Chronicles all month.

Don't think I'll be playing any more of them though. Don't think it's particularly good, and this is supposedly the best one.

Its a game from 2010. Alot of games will feel dated unless you have nostalgia for them

 

[DarthEnderX]

Its a game from 2010. Alot of games will feel dated unless you have nostalgia for them

I mean...I'm playing the remake.

But unless the other games got rid of the "single player game that plays like an MMO" thing, I don't really have any interest.

I know that Demifiend is a popular pick here

I'm sorry, wut? I don't think anyone besides Idon has been asking for Demifiend until this morning.

 

[SnowClaws]

I guess I will throw my opinion on the direct, and it will mostly alright except for the fps and wrestling content. Before stating the time frame for the direct, at least, mention the time frame is for the Japanese direct, and not mislead both directs having the same time frame when it is possible for one direct to have a extended or cut content over the other.

I kinda knew the supposed Mario 35th video games contents wouldn't show up in this direct since the Mario 35th Anniversary Monopoly, Super Mario Jenga and LEGO NES/Super Mario is available at August 1, and this July 20 direct isn't even close to the August date.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I keep seeing people saying Nintendo fans are salty at SMT, but the dislikes for both V and the Nocturne remake video are both small in number and proportion to those on the main Direct video and the WWE Battlegrounds one. Best I can tell if there are upset fans, they're directing their venom at presentations other than SMT.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Because it's not Persona 5 for Nintendo Switch. That's why.

Because Nintendo fans are mad SMT showed up instead of Mario, the Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Smash, etc etc etc.

Apparently this is something that's been going on since 2018.

So I still don't get why.

 

[cosmicB]

I'm still on hiatus from speculation and stuff, but I just wanted to say something real quick, something that a lot of people probably already believe and I hope would be even more believable after today. DO NOT trust insiders when it comes to Nintendo. EVER. And DEFINITELY do not trust the ones located outside of Japan. It doesn't matter if it's Imran, Natedrake, Gamexplain. Throw em in the "unreliable" pile and be done with it.

I was a pseudo-insider for a little while when I wrote for a certain site. Now it's been 4 years since then, so my information may be out of date at this point, but it was well understood that Nintendo wasn't only extremely tight-lipped with what you could see, but with what you couldn't as well. They'd do everything they could to obscure information, sometimes in extremely asinine ways. "Leakbait" doesn't even begin to describe it. That isn't to say nothing got out ever because it clearly has over the years, but that info wasn't coming from entities with an actual name attached to them.

I saw people saying how unprecedented this is that seemingly all these big industry people were wrong about what the direct would be, but it really isn't. It's actually perfectly understandable, and it's likely going to happen a bunch more times this year because "leakers" keep getting caught in the same damn trap over and over again.

Now 3rd parties are a different story, but I would ONLY trust "insiders" on that if we're talking about western 3rd parties or Capcom, and even then it's far from a guarantee even if you got every "credible" person shouting from the rooftops what's coming. In the context of Smash, I really don't expect anything for the remainder of the pass to get out unless Nintendo themselves pull a Terry-style screw up. Half of FP1 was "leaked" through incompetence (Hero and Terry) and MS being a bunch of blabbermouths (Banjo). I'm fairly certain Nintendo has learned their lesson on that, so any "evidence" going forward would be purely circumstantial.

 

[DarthEnderX]

You could argue that SMT is a classic franchise

And I could also argue that Shin Megami Tensei and Persona are as much part of the overall MegaTen franchise as Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy Tactics are part of the Final Fantasy franchise . And that getting a 2nd MegaTen rep in Ultimate is about as likely as getting Ramza.

 

[7NATOR]

I'm still on hiatus from speculation and stuff, but I just wanted to say something real quick, something that a lot of people probably already believe and I hope would be even more believable after today. DO NOT trust insiders when it comes to Nintendo. EVER. And DEFINITELY do not trust the ones located outside of Japan. It doesn't matter if it's Imran, Natedrake, Gamexplain. Throw em in the "unreliable" pile and be done with it.

I was a pseudo-insider for a little while when I wrote for a certain site. Now it's been 4 years since then, so my information may be out of date at this point, but it was well understood that Nintendo wasn't only extremely tight-lipped with what you could see, but with what you couldn't as well. They'd do everything they could to obscure information, sometimes in extremely asinine ways. "Leakbait" doesn't even begin to describe it. That isn't to say nothing got out ever because it clearly has over the years, but that info wasn't coming from entities with an actual name attached to them.

I saw people saying how unprecedented this is that seemingly all these big industry people were wrong about what the direct would be, but it really isn't. It's actually perfectly understandable, and it's likely going to happen a bunch more times this year because "leakers" keep getting caught in the same damn trap over and over again.

Now 3rd parties are a different story, but I would ONLY trust "insiders" on that if we're talking about western 3rd parties or Capcom, and even then it's far from a guarantee even if you got every "credible" person shouting from the rooftops what's coming. In the context of Smash, I really don't expect anything for the remainder of the pass to get out unless Nintendo themselves pull a Terry-style screw up. Half of FP1 was "leaked" through incompetence (Hero and Terry) and MS being a bunch of blabbermouths (Banjo). I'm fairly certain Nintendo has learned their lesson on that, so any "evidence" going forward would be purely circumstantial.

When it Comes to Smash especially, they got Namco in the booth as well. Namco is Known to have even more Secrect Techniques than Nintendo when it comes to preventing leaks, so I could buy that perhaps we won't see much leaks, at least until a few days before an Character Reveal

 

[GoodGrief741]

Except they're literally wearing a Japanese boy's school uniform.

I don't think their gender is ambiguous at all.

Dammit Atlus you're supposed to make me question my concept of morality, not my sexuality. That's what Catherine's for!

 

[Deleted member]

Edit: Wrong thread oops

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Because Nintendo fans are mad SMT showed up instead of Mario, the Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Smash, etc etc etc.

what babies

 

[SNEKeater]

And I could also argue that Shin Megami Tensei and Persona are as much part of the overall MegaTen franchise as Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy Tactics are part of the Final Fantasy franchise . And that getting a 2nd MegaTen rep in Ultimate is about as likely as getting Ramza.

I'd somewhat agree with you if Joker was labeled and considered by Sakurai/Nintendo as a MegaTen rep. That means getting content beyond Persona, for example, such as spirits or music. If he was a MegaTen rep in Sakurai's eyes, Joker's playlist would be named "MegaTen series", not "Persona series".

Obviously, that isn't the case.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Except they're literally wearing a Japanese boy's school uniform.

I don't think their gender is ambiguous at all.

Thats one cute boy and he is mine now

 

[Wunderwaft]

I'd somewhat agree with you if Joker was labeled and considered by Sakurai/Nintendo as a MegaTen rep. That means getting content beyond Persona, for example, such as spirits or music. If he was a MegaTen rep in Sakurai's eyes, Joker's playlist would be named "MegaTen series", not "Persona series".

Obviously, that isn't the case.

That's right. SMT and Persona are separate franchises at this point even if they have some similarities.

Saying we can't get an SMT rep because Joker reps both Persona and SMT is like saying we can't get Sora in because Cloud reps FF and KH.

 

[MooMew64]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the only similarities Persona and SMT share are personas sharing the designs of the demons from SMT, correct? Plus, Persona, while also being a mature series, tends to be quite a bit lighter in general tone, yes?

 

[SharkLord]

That's right. SMT and Persona are separate franchises at this point even if they have some similarities.

Saying we can't get an SMT rep because Joker reps both Persona and SMT is like saying we can't get Sora in because Cloud reps FF and KH.

Technically, Cloud's part of the base game while Joker's DLC, but I see where you're coming from.

 

[Garteam]

I'm still on hiatus from speculation and stuff, but I just wanted to say something real quick, something that a lot of people probably already believe and I hope would be even more believable after today. DO NOT trust insiders when it comes to Nintendo. EVER. And DEFINITELY do not trust the ones located outside of Japan. It doesn't matter if it's Imran, Natedrake, Gamexplain. Throw em in the "unreliable" pile and be done with it.

I was a pseudo-insider for a little while when I wrote for a certain site. Now it's been 4 years since then, so my information may be out of date at this point, but it was well understood that Nintendo wasn't only extremely tight-lipped with what you could see, but with what you couldn't as well. They'd do everything they could to obscure information, sometimes in extremely asinine ways. "Leakbait" doesn't even begin to describe it. That isn't to say nothing got out ever because it clearly has over the years, but that info wasn't coming from entities with an actual name attached to them.

I saw people saying how unprecedented this is that seemingly all these big industry people were wrong about what the direct would be, but it really isn't. It's actually perfectly understandable, and it's likely going to happen a bunch more times this year because "leakers" keep getting caught in the same damn trap over and over again.

Now 3rd parties are a different story, but I would ONLY trust "insiders" on that if we're talking about western 3rd parties or Capcom, and even then it's far from a guarantee even if you got every "credible" person shouting from the rooftops what's coming. In the context of Smash, I really don't expect anything for the remainder of the pass to get out unless Nintendo themselves pull a Terry-style screw up. Half of FP1 was "leaked" through incompetence (Hero and Terry) and MS being a bunch of blabbermouths (Banjo). I'm fairly certain Nintendo has learned their lesson on that, so any "evidence" going forward would be purely circumstantial.

If you don't mind me asking, what were some of the ways Nintendo would try to obscure information when you were an insider? Are there any noteworthy examples that stick out in your mind?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Mario is my favorite Yoshi's Island rep

 

[MooMew64]

Mario is my favorite Yoshi's Island rep

Wait what I thought he was a Luigi's Mansion rep.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wait what I thought he was a Luigi's Mansion rep.

Nah b he a Donkey Kong rep this whole time

 

[Shroob]

Haha...ha

haha...

....ha


It's never coming out. It's going on 4 years of radio silence and nothing to show for it

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God I'm soo happy I was wrong.

 

[SharkLord]

Now that the initial burst of disappointment from the direct is over, I'm glad that we can move on to celebrating Shin Megami Tensei V, now no longer vaporware.

 

[Nartic]

I think the relationship between SMT and Persona is similar to that between Xenosaga and Xenoblade.

 

[GoodGrief741]

For real though SMT and Persona being part of the same larger franchise has little bearing on an SMT rep's chances. Fighter Pass 1 came and went, and nothing prevents Fighter Pass 2 from having another Sega rep, or another Atlus rep. And the reasons for inclusion would be different too; Joker got in because he's a modern JRPG superstar, whereas a hypothetical SMT rep would probably get in to promote SMT5 or the remake of Nocturne (or both). Sure, the pedigree of Shin Megami Tensei helps both, but still.

Though I'm probably the only person who always thought getting a character from an existing third party franchise was in the cards, so this isn't a very tough pill to swallow. Just, you don't have to pretend Persona isn't SMT for SMT to have a shot of its own.

 

[Teeb147]

I think it does significantly lower the chances of an SMT rep. I think they would go to other franchises since joker is in.

Also Persona ended up being a lot more popular, and in my eyes is still niche (even if some people say it's mainstream now). So I wouldnt count on SMT.
But all series and characters deserve to be able to have support though.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So I just saw the direct and nothing really appeal to me, but I'm curious to see more SMT 5 because I enjoyed Persona 5. Maybe I will try the SMT 3 port.


But in the context of smash speculation, I'm actually surprised to see Cadence of Hyrule having such a great push. 3 waves of DLC and a phsycial release it's huge for a indie games. I don't really think that we'll see a indie characters in Smash, but if we do I think that Cadence would be considered with Hollow knight. I think Cadence is being a bit slept on because even when we talk about indie rep she's rarely brought up.

 

[7NATOR]

So Guys I was somewhere else in my head, and then I thought of some Sneaky Trick Nintendo/Sakurai might Pull

Imagine that the next 4 Characters are all Hype, the most Hype Characters, but then The Last character is someone no one is Expecting, but Sakurai has talked about being considered for Smash

I'm talking about Takumaru

Sakurai never added him in because he was Niche outside of Japan. However By Putting in 4 Hype Characters as the next characters, to bait people nto buying the full pass, and Putting in Takumaru last, Sakurai would accomplish his goal of Getting his name out there to the West. It's Smart, and very sneaky. Not to say Takumaru is bad, but...

 

[Cosmic77]

So Guys I was somewhere else in my head, and then I thought of some Sneaky Trick Nintendo/Sakurai might Pull

Imagine that the next 4 Characters are all Hype, the most Hype Characters, but then The Last character is someone no one is Expecting, but Sakurai has talked about being considered for Smash

I'm talking about Takumaru

Sakurai never added him in because he was Niche outside of Japan. However By Putting in 4 Hype Characters as the next characters, to bait people nto buying the full pass, and Putting in Takumaru last, Sakurai would accomplish his goal of Getting his name out there to the West. It's Smart, and very sneaky. Not to say Takumaru is bad, but...

Nintendo is supposed to be making the decisions. Unless they have plans to revive Takamaru's franchise, I don't know why they'd choose him, especially when there are other irrelevant characters like Isaac who're highly requested and have games that released in the West.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I think the relationship between SMT and Persona is similar to that between Xenosaga and Xenoblade.

Still a bit different there since Bandai Namco owns the rights to Xenosaga and Nintendo owns the rights to Xenoblade, Atlus/Sega owns the rights to both SMT and Persona and even then SMT and Persona have way more in common gameplay wise then Blade and Saga has with each other.

 

[7NATOR]

Nintendo is supposed to be making the decisions. Unless they have plans to revive Takamaru's franchise, I don't know why they'd choose him, especially when there are other irrelevant characters like Isaac who're highly requested and have games that released in the West.

Two things

1. While Nintendo is "Choosing" the DLC, it doesn't mean that Nintendo always chooses the exact roster. It seems for some of the DLC Characters like Joker, Sakurai wanted to put Joker in and Nintendo "Made the Decision" the allow Sakurai to put Joker as DLC. It's kind of a Cooperation, a Back and forth.

2. So like, If Sakurai adds in 4 Hype characters and gets everyone to buy the pass, Sakurai pitches Takamaru to be the last character and because the rest of the characters are SO HYPE, Nintendo doesn't give a hoot and just allows Sakurai to put Takamaru in. People were very mad about Byleth, but because people got baited into buying the pass with Joker, Hero, Banjo, and Terry, Nintendo was all good, cause they got your money

 

[Nartic]

So Guys I was somewhere else in my head, and then I thought of some Sneaky Trick Nintendo/Sakurai might Pull

Imagine that the next 4 Characters are all Hype, the most Hype Characters, but then The Last character is someone no one is Expecting, but Sakurai has talked about being considered for Smash

I'm talking about Takumaru

Sakurai never added him in because he was Niche outside of Japan. However By Putting in 4 Hype Characters as the next characters, to bait people nto buying the full pass, and Putting in Takumaru last, Sakurai would accomplish his goal of Getting his name out there to the West. It's Smart, and very sneaky. Not to say Takumaru is bad, but...

Can't wait for Sakurai to announce The Mysterious Murasame Castle: Uprising after Ultimate DLC.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I think the relationship between SMT and Persona is similar to that between Xenosaga and Xenoblade.

I like to view Persona and SMT in a similar way to Power rangers and Super Sentai. Basically part of the same source, and they both have similar characteristics, but one is a lot more light hearted than the other

 

[3BitSaurus]

So here's the thing: if SMT was the big focus of today... are we going to get similar treatments for NMH and Bayo 3? Like, have a Mini "carried" by each of them, with the rest being DLC, ports and filler?

...Guess I'm just desperate for news on those, huh?

So Guys I was somewhere else in my head

Uh. Excuse me, what?

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

Can't wait for Sakurai to announce The Mysterious Murasame Castle: Uprising after Ultimate DLC.

You kid, but I think many people, at least on this thread, would be stoked for such an announcement.

So here's the thing: if SMT was the big focus of today... are we going to get similar treatments for NMH and Bayo 3? Like, have a Mini "carried" by each of them, with the rest being DLC, ports and filler?

I could see that. They did say there will be more Mini Directs in the future, but if NMH3 and BD2 are still on track for a 2020 release they kinda need to reveal more info about them soon, at least give us release dates.

 

[Aetheri]

So Guys I was somewhere else in my head, and then I thought of some Sneaky Trick Nintendo/Sakurai might Pull

Imagine that the next 4 Characters are all Hype, the most Hype Characters, but then The Last character is someone no one is Expecting, but Sakurai has talked about being considered for Smash

I'm talking about Takumaru

Sakurai never added him in because he was Niche outside of Japan. However By Putting in 4 Hype Characters as the next characters, to bait people nto buying the full pass, and Putting in Takumaru last, Sakurai would accomplish his goal of Getting his name out there to the West. It's Smart, and very sneaky. Not to say Takumaru is bad, but...

What you are describing is basically what happened in Pass 1 with Byleth.

 

[Cosmic77]

Two things

1. While Nintendo is "Choosing" the DLC, it doesn't mean that Nintendo always chooses the exact roster. It seems for some of the DLC Characters like Joker, Sakurai wanted to put Joker in and Nintendo "Made the Decision" the allow Sakurai to put Joker as DLC. It's kind of a Cooperation, a Back and forth.

2. So like, If Sakurai adds in 4 Hype characters and gets everyone to buy the pass, Sakurai pitches Takamaru to be the last character and because the rest of the characters are SO HYPE, Nintendo doesn't give a hoot and just allows Sakurai to put Takamaru in. People were very mad about Byleth, but because people got baited into buying the pass with Joker, Hero, Banjo, and Terry, Nintendo was all good, cause they got your money

That's just hypothetical though. Just because Joker feels like a crazy choice doesn't mean Nintendo wasn't interested themselves. We're already seeing Atlus wanting to port their games to the Switch, so it's easy to see why Nintendo thought they could benefit from Joker.

As for Nintendo adding four "hype" characters to soften the blow, I don't think they care that much. The first character of the pass was Min Min, a character who was, needless to say, not the best choice to get people invested.