Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[CannonStreak]

If we are getting a Mini-Direct, I wonder how long it will be this time around?

 

[Cap'n Jack]

So nothing announced it seems, guess we’ll...wait until tomorrow

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Prepare for disappointment as we don't even get anything Monday.

 

[CannonStreak]

So nothing announced it seems, guess we’ll...wait until tomorrow

And if nothing happens by then, it’s a Mini-Direct for sure.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

And yet the only ones that play remotely similar are the echoes. The argument that “swords = bad” is so nonsensical when you consider how many say, punchy characters there are

It's more so because most of the Fire Emblem cast play very similarly, except Corrin, Robin and ironically Byleth.
Captain Falcon, Fox, Mario, Mii Brawler, ZSS and other rushdown brawler characters who punch or kick do not play the same.

 

[frozolloyd]

Fire Emblem Three Houses was already a hugely ambitious project before its release. 4 different paths to the story, all drastically different, 3 House Leaders to choose from, Fire Emblem returning to home consoles.... Of COURSE it would be successful. They put their heart and soul into this master piece. I think it's the best game for the Switch so far honestly.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this, and that fine, but all I'm going to say is that Fate before it was released also was a hugely ambitious project, with 3 different paths that were drastically different from each other and 2 drastically different factions, and we all know how that turned out. My problem what you are saying is that logic only works in hindsight. It's easy to say that after all is said and done, but I personally find it hard to believe they would have known that before the game was released.

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

I don’t have any problems with Byleth, but I still think I would’ve preferred if he’d ended up as a Pokémon Trainer-style character where the three house leaders are playable while he’s in the background instructing and pops in to do the final smash

 

[Megadoomer]

And Dante.

Though with the case of Fire Emblem. It has more to do with how many characters are in then it being "anime swordsmen".

If you think Dante's just an anime swordsman, you need to play Devil May Cry. (particularly 3, 4, and 5)

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

It's more so because most of the Fire Emblem cast play very similarly, except Corrin, Robin and ironically Byleth.
Captain Falcon, Fox, Mario, Mii Brawler, ZSS and other rushdown brawler characters who punch or kick do not play the same.

Ike doesn’t play like any of them either - which is what I said, only the echoes play similar. Roy may feel similar, but trying to play him like Marth is a terrible idea, much like Mario and Luigi.

And yes, the brawlers can and do feel different. My argument was more in regards to the idea that swordfighters are bad just on virtue of being swordfighters, which is something you hear just as often as complaints about Fire Emblem.

 

[Perkilator]

I don’t have any problems with Byleth, but I still think I would’ve preferred if he’d ended up as a Pokémon Trainer-style character where the three house leaders are playable while he’s in the background instructing and pops in to do the final smash

The reason that wouldn’t work is because you can’t recruit the other two house leaders once you pick one’s route. Plus, you don’t see Pokémon Trainer doing the fighting in Smash because they don’t fight in their home games.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Kokichi presses in to battle!

I cant believe they did that

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

The reason that wouldn’t work is because you can’t recruit the other two house leaders once you pick one’s route. Plus, you don’t see Pokémon Trainer doing the fighting in Smash because they don’t fight in their home games.

I see what you mean, but it’s not like Smash always follows home game logic - see Corrin “choosing to Smash” while at the same time having the Omega Yato. Since they’re all still students, it could easily be implied that Smash is some kind of event that the house leaders were invited to or something.

 

[Perkilator]

I see what you mean, but it’s not like Smash always follows home game logic - see Corrin “choosing to Smash”. Since they’re all still students, it could easily be implied that Smash is some kind of event that the house leaders were invited to or something.

Fates’ choices and TH’s choices are two very different things.

In Fates, it’s all about Corrin no matter which path you choose. In TH, it’s not just about Byleth. It’s also about the House Leader whose House you chose.

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

Fates’ choices and TH’s choices are two very different things.

In Fates, it’s all about Corrin no matter which path you choose. In TH, it’s not just about Byleth. It’s also about the House Leader whose House you chose.

And yet you still team up with all three house leaders in Cindered Shadows. I don’t really understand how this implementation would make any less sense than all three leaders letting Byleth just borrow their weapon.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I'll admit, I'm no expert on the series, but isn't Fire Emblem a series where characters can wield many different kinds of weapons like axes, bows, and spears? This might seem crazy, but I think there's a small possibility that having nothing but sword-wielders is maybe a really bad way to represent a series known for having multiple weapons. It'd be like if Castlevania had nine to ten characters in Smash, ranging from Eric to Alucard to Soma to Shanoa... and rather than using any of their different signature weapons, they all instead just used the whip.

 

[Perkilator]

And yet you still team up with all three house leaders in Cindered Shadows. I don’t really understand how this implementation would make any less sense than all three leaders letting Byleth just borrow their weapon.

That’s a side story that was developed after Byleth was decided upon for Smash.

 

[Dinoman96]

I still maintain that another big problem with Byleth was the fact that he got in while the likes of Rex and ARMS didn't (at the time). Our first ever Switch exclusive character in Smash was just yet another Fire Emblem character, the 8th one to be precise. And while we're at it, literally the same week they got announced, Astral Chain was taken out of the running. This pic basically sums it up.

Of course they ended up rectifying the lack of an ARMS character later but who knows about Rex at this point.

 

[osby]

This Thread Has Spent 0 Days Without A Fire Emblem Argument

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

That’s a side story that was developed after Byleth was decided upon for Smash.

Okay? Then how about the very first chapter where you fight alongside all three of them?

Smash literally bends the “lore” of the home games all the time. Sakurai just recently made a joke about Rock Howard being there during Terry’s presentation. And for FE, Corrin has the Omega Yato despite not following the path where he’d get it. I still don’t understand how them all coming to Smash (not even fighting alongside each other) makes less sense than them just... giving their Relics to Byleth.

 

[zumaddy]

Let's not do the ol' FE song and dance again, please. We go around in the exact same circle every time.

 

[Perkilator]

Okay? Then how about the very first chapter where you fight alongside all three of them?

That’s before you have to make a choice.

But IDC, let’s just listen to zumaddy .

 

[Will]

we get it. theres too much fire emblem for you. live with it by this point i guess.

 

[zumaddy]

*slaps a new topic down*

Would adding Paper Mario into the game be one Mario too many? Or acceptable because it's a side series Mario with a pretty different feel and identity?

 

[SKX31]

I think it’s unfamiliarity with the property. As someone who’s never played WOW, I didn’t know there were any “main” characters. I only know of the Lich King, is he one of the characters you guys were talking about?

Yup - Arthas is the Lich King.

Spoiler: Story stuff

He starts out as a Paladin and heir to the Human Alliance in WarCraft III, but attacks from the Undead Scourge - lead by the Lich King - and their Burning Legion allies (basically demons hell-bent on destroying all life, the Undead's an indirect creation of theirs) wear on him slowly but surely. He goes for more and more extreme solutions until he ventures north towards the Undead-dominated continent of Northend, searching for an Excalibur-like blade (Frostmourne) that he thinks can slay one of the Legion's powerful demons. Ignoring the objections from important allies too...

Safe to say, that was a trap. Frostmourne corrupts him totally after he kills the demon, and transforms him into a Death Knight - servant of the Lich King. The resulting events - Arthas starting more waves of Undead uprisings and epidemics - almost broke the Human Alliance: the aftereffects are keenly visible in WoW.

WarCraft 3's campaign ends - after many twists and turns - with the Burning Legion decisively shattered. Albeit it took a final mission and kinda reluctant collab between the remaining humans, Orcs and Night Elves. Anyhow, the shattering leaves the Undead in complete dissarray at The Frozen Throne's start- this disarray creates the rogue Forsaken faction, the playable Undead in WoW who reject the Lich King. With a rogue Night Elf Demon Hunter - Illidan - gathering his forces and vowing to annihiliate the Lich King.

So the Lich King basically sends a magical call to Arthas, requiring aid ASAP. And although Arthas suffers the long version of "New Game syndrome" (losing levels progressively until he's back to Level 1) he likewise gathers the loyal Undead remnants for a mad dash. He arrives just in the nick of time and just outside the Lich King's doorstep. He battles Illidan there - and emerges victorious after cleaving Illidan's crotch. With that done, he enters the Lich King's throneroom and fuses with him.

He remains the fused Lich King until WotLK's end, where he dies - his human self freed at the very end much like Vader. The Scourge remain as a faction, but now severely weakened from Arthas' death and additional defeats.

That’s a side story that was developed after Byleth was decided upon for Smash.

"Hey, um, my students, I just got an invitation to this fighting tournament, can I borrow your weapons for a bit?"

Spoiler: 3H Spoilers?

That was Edelgard's true start of darkness.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

See, this is why I love discussing out there potential franchises like Atelier, it gives us something fresh to talk about.

Otherwise we'd be chugging along on the 798th Byleth debate like we are right now.

Yes, Fire Emblem has a buttload of characters, deal with it! What's done is done! let's discuss something new for once, please.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

*slaps a new topic down*

Would adding Paper Mario into the game be one Mario too many? Or acceptable because it's a side series Mario with a pretty different feel and identity?

If the Rate their Chances thread is any indication, that depends entirely on what Paper Mario games are used as the basis for his moveset.

 

[Garteam]

I'm putting my money on an announcement tomorrow, followed by a direct on the following day. That would make an announcement occur sometime on Monday for Japan, then setting the direct on Tuesday night/Wednesday afternoon.

 

[Speed Weed]

honestly byleth's inclusion was a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances, really

-character in a series most people were already sick of
-blatant promotional choice
-last character in a pass that had been pretty crazy up until then
-hyped up as this big mystery
-since it was a smash-only stream centered around byleth, there was no other news to mitigate the disappointment other than the miis

like it's perfectly fine if you wanted them, i myself think they're pretty fun, but i don't really think it's fair to blame the negative reaction entirely on the big bad fire emblem-hating boogeymen

as for my personal thoughts, i was pretty disappointed at first, but i've since gotten over it, after all, we're still getting more dlc. so right now to me they're just....there.

 

[7NATOR]

You know, For Someone (Sakurai) that loves Xenoblade 2, Do you think Sakurai did Rex Bogus by making him only obtainable if you bought the entire pass, especially since Byleth was one of the characters? Should they make his costume obtainable separately if he's not in FP2 as Playable?

*slaps a new topic down*

Would adding Paper Mario into the game be one Mario too many? Or acceptable because it's a side series Mario with a pretty different feel and identity?

Kinda, Because Paper Mario is the same Character personality wise (I Assume). He could get away with it due to the paper Nature and maybe if he had assists with Partners. There will still be salt over no Waluigi or Geno though

 

[ROBnWatch]

I think the problem is also rooted in when we got all the swordsman/FE characters and how closely they were to each other (by that I mean, revealed in the same game). Here’s what I mean...

Brawl
Swordsman: (and if you really wanna stretch it, maybe )
Fire Emblem:

Smash 4
Swordsman: (stretch )
+ DLC:
Fire Emblem:

Ultimate
Swordsman: (stretch )
+ DLC (so far): (stretch )
Fire Emblem:


Now, all together, 20/83 = 24%. (83 when counting echoes as separate and counting and as separate.) Which isn’t exactly too bad, especially considering I’m stretching by including . But the main problem, I think, is that so many have been introduced in one game, people are tired of seeing the swordfighter archetype after 3-4 additions in the same game. And Fire Emblem has made a massive jump from 2 to 8 in a matter of 2 games. I think the closeness in reveal is the primary reason people are upset when they see another swordfighter/FE character.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

*slaps a new topic down*

Would adding Paper Mario into the game be one Mario too many? Or acceptable because it's a side series Mario with a pretty different feel and identity?

I dont like this topic

NEXT

 

[Slime Master]

If the Rate their Chances thread is any indication, that depends entirely on what Paper Mario games are used as the basis for his moveset.

Now that just smells like gatekeeping. I dislike sticker star as much as the next person, but it and color splash definitely offer just as much to differentiate him from normal Mario as the other games.

And uh, I guess I should clarify I'm calling out the RTC thread with this, not you.

 

[Schnee117]

honestly byleth's inclusion was a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances, really

-character in a series most people were already sick of
-blatant promotional choice
-last character in a pass that had been pretty crazy up until then
-hyped up as this big mystery
-since it was a smash-only stream centered around byleth, there was no other news to mitigate the disappointment other than the miis

like it's perfectly fine if you wanted them, i myself think they're pretty fun, but i don't really think it's fair to blame the negative reaction entirely on the big bad fire emblem-hating boogeymen

as for my personal thoughts, i was pretty disappointed at first, but i've since gotten over it, after all, we're still getting more dlc. so right now to me they're just....there.

The problem is that it's been half a year since then and still the topic comes up.
A month I can understand, six is just ridiculous.

 

[zumaddy]

I dont like this topic

NEXT

Okay, next topic:

Spoiler: P5

Akechi Goro did nothing wrong, discuss

 

[Speed Weed]

The problem is that it's been half a year since then and still the topic comes up.
A month I can understand, six is just ridiculous.

yeah i agree with you on that

 

[Mamboo07]

I think the problem is also rooted in when we got all the swordsman/FE characters and how closely they were to each other (by that I mean, revealed in the same game). Here’s what I mean...

Brawl
Swordsman: (and if you really wanna stretch it, maybe )
Fire Emblem:

Smash 4
Swordsman: (Stretch )
+ DLC:
Fire Emblem:

Ultimate:
Swordsman: (stretch )
+ DLC (so far): (stretch )
Fire Emblem:


Now, all together, 20/83 = 24%. (83 when counting echoes as separate and counting and as separate.) Which isn’t exactly too bad, especially considering I’m stretching by including . But the main problem, I think, is that so many have been introduced in one game, people are tired of seeing the swordfighter archetype after 3-4 additions in the same game. And Fire Emblem has made a massive jump from 2 to 8 in a matter of 2 games. I think the closeness in reveal is the primary reason people are upset when they see another swordfighter/FE character.

Agree, how Fire Emblem went from 2 to 8 reps so quickly baffles me.

 

[Perkilator]

You know, For Someone (Sakurai) that loves Xenoblade 2, Do you think Sakurai did Rex Bogus by making him only obtainable if you bought the entire pass, especially since Byleth was one of the characters? Should they make his costume obtainable separately if he's not in FP2 as Playable?

That was because of poor timing when the base roster was already decided, just like with ARMS.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Y'all do realize swords are a super common video game weapon, correct?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Okay, next topic:

Spoiler: P5

Akechi Goro did nothing wrong, discuss

Now thats the ticket

 

[MooMew64]

I feel people get too hung up on a character's fighting style or weapon of choice. It is but one of the many facets a character can have, and to tunnel vision just that one part as a means to exclude them seems a bit much, considering how at the end of the day, I think it matters more that the character is fun to play rather than the semantics of what they represent on a vague, fan-created roster ratio.