Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SKX31]

The ****, guy. G&W didn't invent handheld electronic games. They'd already been around for 4 years before the first G&W game was created. Things don't just start existing only when Nintendo does them.

Could Nintendo have gone to Milton Bradley and asked for a character representing the Microvision? Hypotheoretically, yes, but in this case it's more expensive for a hypotheoretical character that can only pull from 12-13 games*. G&W could pull from 60 games and Sakurai wouldn't have to go through third party hoops.

There's a similar case with Pong and Color TV-15 - sure, Nintendo didn't invent the wheel, but they chose the latter as cheaper way (and as a reference to the former).

*(Parker Brothers' Merlin falls under a similar boat - it was also commercially successful, but we're talking about a third party license with 6-9 games where Nintendo might instead look at the relatively cheaper first party alternative. And again, the G&W did well during its life.)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I will say that there's characters that I think would be huge deals within the general public when revealed at E3 vs. something I'd be thrilled about at the event.

For the larger public:
-Crash
-Master Chief
-Sora
-Dante
-Solaire of Astora
-2B
-Doomslayer
-Minecraft Steve

For me:
-Dixie Kong
-Bandanna Dee
-Geno
-Tails
-Rayman
-Amaterasu
-Terra Branford

For the public:

- Lloyd
- Rex
- Sora
- 2B
- Hayabusa
- Crash
- Rayman


For me personally:

- Elma
- Phoenix
- Neku
- KOS-MOS
- Black Shadow
- Fiora
- Octoling

 

[Will]

And, I'm sorry, but JUST BEING PORTABLE DOESN'T MAKE A GAME GOOD.

Eh, it's good for its intentions. Just a simple game to waste time on the train or something.

 

[Perkilator]

I'm just going to sit here hoping there's some new Sega character added to smash.

Give me Sakura Shinguji and/or Axel Stone or give me Memphis Tennessee.

 

[Will]

I'm just going to sit here hoping there's some new Sega character added to smash.

Me and the boys blasting karaoke when Kiryu gets in

 

[WeirdChillFever]

If we were to get ”another Joker” in this pass I hope that poetic justice comes to pass and Phantom R from Rhythm Thief and the Emperor’s Treasure is in

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Give me Sakura Shinguji and/or Axel Stone or give me Memphis Tennessee.

I kinda want an Axel mii brawler outfit.

Me and the boys blasting karaoke when Kiryu gets in

Me and the boys blasting Baka mitai if he doesn't get in

 

[MooMew64]

Me and the boys blasting karaoke when Kiryu gets in

It's Judgement time.

 

[Perkilator]

I kinda want an Axel mii brawler outfit.

That'll at least be some good compensation if we don't get a fighter, Go Straight remix or not.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

I want a Cap’n Cuttlefish Mii Outfit more than I want playable characters sometimes

 

[Perkilator]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

I want a Cap’n Cuttlefish Mii Outfit more than I want playable characters sometimes

Mainly more diversity with the Final Rounds in certain characters' Classic Modes. It's such a petty nitpick of mine that I made a whole thread mostly dedicated to it.

 

[cashregister9]

I'm just going to sit here hoping there's some new Sega character added to smash.

I was curious and found a Japanese Popularity Poll (I know popularity isn't even close to the only deciding factor, I was just curious) I organized it and checked if any were represented in Smash

10: Tails (Spirit)
10: Akira Yuki (Assist)
9: Nei
8: Ichiro Ogami
7: Nights
6: Ulala
5: Kiryu
4: Alex Kidd
3: Sakura Shinguji
2: Opa Opa
1: Sonic The Hedgehog (Playable)

Again I do not think this poll determines if any of these get into smash I just thought it was interesting.

 

[Will]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

Being able to use Little Mac's side special again if you get hit out of it.



I just wanna recover... They did this in Smash 4 before...

 

[MooMew64]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

I want a Cap’n Cuttlefish Mii Outfit more than I want playable characters sometimes

Shantae Mii costume.

Lemme play as Sanstae.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Shantae Mii costume.

Lemme play as Sanstae.

Is that Sans’ head on Shantae‘s body or Shantae’s head in a neat sleleton jacket?

 

[SharkLord]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

I want a Cap’n Cuttlefish Mii Outfit more than I want playable characters sometimes

PreMiium Costumes for Geno, Pepsiman, Shovel Knight, and the Knight. This way, I can create the most cursed of all sleep paralysis demons by mixing and matching them all.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, I'm aware. And I'm also aware that you don't think the ones that came before Game & Watch are impressive either, so I don't see the point in this rebuttal.

Because the point you made was "But it's impressive cause it was first." Only IT WASN'T FIRST.

So... They are impressive. Cool, you agree then. Being impressive for a specific reason doesn't diminish the merit.

My original point though was that a character should have to have a good game to be in Smash. Not have an "impressive within a very specific set of qualifications" game to be in Smash.

Being impressive for a specific reason doesn't diminish the merit, but being impressive for a specific reason also doesn't enhance the quality of the game itself, which is the argument some of you are making. Being the least terrible thing that was portable at the time does not mean good.

Could Nintendo have gone to Milton Bradley and asked for a character representing the Microvision? Hypotheoretically, yes, but in this case it's more expensive for a hypotheoretical character that can only pull from 12-13 games*. G&W could pull from 60 games and Sakurai wouldn't have to go through third party hoops.

Or they could just, ya know, not to do that at all. And spend those character development resources somewhere else entirely.

Eh, it's good for its intentions. Just a simple game to waste time on the train or something.

That's fine but, I just don't think "a simple game to waste time on the train or something" needed to be a Smash character.

Likewise I don't think "failed peripheral which only supported two games that were both bad" needed to be a character. Or "bad NES game that never got any kind of sequel" needed to be a character.

 

[Will]

That's fine but, I just don't think "a simple game to waste time on the train or something" needed to be a Smash character.

Likewise I don't think "failed peripheral which only supported two games that were both bad" needed to be a character. Or "bad NES game that never got any kind of sequel" needed to be a character.

I don't think we needed a potted plant either, but here we are, because Sakurai wanted to. Man does what he pleases.

 

[cashregister9]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

A plumbob Mii Hat would work perfectly

Also a Buck Bumble Mii costume only for that god like main theme

 

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think we needed a potted plant either, but here we are, because Sakurai wanted to. Man does what he pleases.

Yeah, but I don't have to agree with it.

Shantae Mii costume.

Lemme play as Sanstae.

If it ends up looking anything like the Callie and Marie costumes, I think I'd rather they just didn't...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

I want a Cap’n Cuttlefish Mii Outfit more than I want playable characters sometimes

PreMiium Ori and Monokuma

And for frick’s sake, Let us use the Galeem/Dharkon auras and phantom full body effects on any fighter outside of WoL

please

hero’s trailer gave me hope of that happening ok?? I want it to be an official thing so bad

 

[MooMew64]

Is that Sans’ head on Shantae‘s body or Shantae’s head in a neat sleleton jacket?

That way, we can play as Sanstae and Shans!

There's also the Cuphead and Vault Boy costumes for Cuptae and Vaultae.

 

[CannonStreak]

I'd hate to make a rant here, even though this may be too small for an actual rant here, but...

I don't understand why those in the Geno thread think Geno is next as a Smash reveal? I mean, it could be anyone at all. I tried telling them to control their expectations before, but they insist on believing Geno is next, still. Why act blind to the facts and evidence against Geno? Why not try to be logical and reasonable when expecting things?

 

[Will]

Yeah, but I don't have to agree with it.

I don't agree with Corrin. Doesn't change the fact he's in the game.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I don't understand why those in the Geno thread think Geno is next as a Smash reveal?

Because it's the Geno thread and they always think Geno is the next Smash reveal.

I don't agree with Corrin. Doesn't change the fact he's in the game.

Right. Have I somehow given you the impression that I believe me not wanting something to have happened will somehow warp reality around myself so that it never did?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I was curious and found a Japanese Popularity Poll (I know popularity isn't even close to the only deciding factor, I was just curious) I organized it and checked if any were represented in Smash

10: Tails (Spirit)
10: Akira Yuki (Assist)
9: Nei
8: Ichiro Ogami
7: Nights
6: Ulala
5: Kiryu
4: Alex Kidd
3: Sakura Shinguji
2: Opa Opa
1: Sonic The Hedgehog (Playable)

Again I do not think this poll determines if any of these get into smash I just thought it was interesting.

So my guess that if we get a new Sega character it's Kiryu or Sakura is pretty on the ball.

Is that Sans’ head on Shantae‘s body or Shantae’s head in a neat sleleton jacket?

Both sound hot.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Is that Sans’ head on Shantae‘s body or Shantae’s head in a neat sleleton jacket?

Yes.

 

[SirBillyBob]

Hey what’s the stupidest thing you want in this game (outside of enjoyment)

I want a Cap’n Cuttlefish Mii Outfit more than I want playable characters sometimes

I just want trivia for my Spirits, is that too much to ask?

 

[Perkilator]

That's fine but, I just don't think "a simple game to waste time on the train or something" needed to be a Smash character.

Likewise I don't think "failed peripheral which only supported two games that were both bad" needed to be a character. Or "bad NES game that never got any kind of sequel" needed to be a character.

We also didn't need:

"Random girly thing whose singing puts people to sleep"
"Smaller Pikachu that hurts itself"
"Human character who has his Pokemon do the fighting"
"Town simulator dudes (and dudettes) who don't even fight"
"Virtual exercise trainer"
"Guy who was originally an Assist Trophy because he could only uppercut when he was one"
"Stupid dog who laughs when you miss every single target"
"Stupid potted plant who was already an enemy"

So yeah, nobody says you have to agree with it. Sakurai just likes to create movesets for characters he sees as feasible to have one.

 

[CannonStreak]

Because it's the Geno thread and they always think Geno is the next Smash reveal.

They have done that before, again and again if I have not mistaken. Maybe except for when Hero was rumored and then announced, but I fear they are being overhyped and probably being mislead about Geno or his chances. I just don't understand the "Geno is next" mentality.

 

[DarthEnderX]

We also didn't need:

"Random girly thing whose singing puts people to sleep"
"Smaller Pikachu that hurts itself"
"Human character who has his Pokemon do the fighting"
"Town simulator dudes (and dudettes) who don't even fight"
"Virtual exercise trainer"
"Guy who was originally an Assist Trophy because he could only uppercut when he was one"
"Stupid dog who laughs when you miss every single target"
"Stupid potted plant who was already an enemy"

I mean, I realize you're joking...but I agree with all of those except Little Mac(and maybe Villager).

I just don't understand the "Geno is next" mentality.

Wishful thinking.

 

[Perkilator]

I'd hate to make a rant here, even though this may be too small for an actual rant here, but...

I don't understand why those in the Geno thread think Geno is next as a Smash reveal? I mean, it could be anyone at all. I tried telling them to control their expectations before, but they insist on believing Geno is next, still. Why act blind to the facts and evidence against Geno? Why not try to be logical and reasonable when expecting things?

Unfortunately, that's just the harsh reality of Smash fans, not just Geno fans. Expectations fly out the roof no matter how often we're told to keep them in check, and then disappointment inevitably ensues.

 

[cmbsfm]

Probably an E3-tier reveal that would get me the most excited is Scorpion. I feel like that would be neat for introducing another FGC.

Same. I think now that people view Master Chief in the realm of possibility, Scorpion is one of those never-ever characters that would blindside people for sure, kinda like Cloud and Joker did. People don’t expect him because “Mortal Kombat banned in Japan”, but Injustice has shown that he can be toned down and still be in character and the series is incredibly iconic, so who knows.

 

[Will]

I don't understand why those in the Geno thread think Geno is next as a Smash reveal?

You can't be wrong if you say it's gonna be Geno every time, because eventually, it will be.

In reality, I'd say it's due to the prominent supposed insiders that lurk in that thread always hearing something that supposedly says it's gonna be him soon.

 

[CannonStreak]

Unfortunately, that's just the harsh reality of Smash fans, not just Geno fans. Expectations fly out the roof no matter how often we're told to keep them in check, and then disappointment inevitably ensues.

Yeah, that is true. I thought we humans would be better than this. I can imagine this cycle repeating until the Fighters Pass ends. Then what will they do? Why are there people who do not learn from history at all?

You can't be wrong if you say it's gonna be Geno every time, because eventually, it will be.

View attachment 278419

In reality, I'd say it's due to the prominent supposed insiders that lurk in that thread always hearing something that supposedly says it's gonna be him soon.

Yeah, but that is just a person, who can make mistakes? What if they are wrong? Extending the goalpost every time is not going to help here.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'd hate to make a rant here, even though this may be too small for an actual rant here, but...

I don't understand why those in the Geno thread think Geno is next as a Smash reveal? I mean, it could be anyone at all. I tried telling them to control their expectations before, but they insist on believing Geno is next, still. Why act blind to the facts and evidence against Geno? Why not try to be logical and reasonable when expecting things?

The Geno Thread has largely become an echo chamber in favor of Geno following the mass exodus of more critical fans from the thread as a result of the large drama previously. Since then, only those heavily in favor of Geno frequent the thread.

The point Will made also stands, that supposed "insiders" are always hearing this, that, or the other thing about Geno. Since it aligns with what they want to believe, it's taken as fact, even though it'd be outed as fiction literally everywhere else.

But I'd rather we not get into more drama involving the Geno Thread. I'd rather leave them be and let things straighten themselves out as they will.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I'd hate to make a rant here, even though this may be too small for an actual rant here, but...

I don't understand why those in the Geno thread think Geno is next as a Smash reveal? I mean, it could be anyone at all. I tried telling them to control their expectations before, but they insist on believing Geno is next, still. Why act blind to the facts and evidence against Geno? Why not try to be logical and reasonable when expecting things?

They do it all the time. But this time specifically they have the Fighter 77 & Fighter Pack 7 theory going on. As well as the possibility of this being a Mario heavy Direct for Mario’s 35th Anniversary.

 

[Will]

Wishful thinking.

Why is my name under that quote lol I didn't say that at all

Yeah, but that is just a person, who can make mistakes? What if they are wrong? Extending the goalpost every time is not going to help here.

They've been wrong plenty of times and they're still there, giving out the same "insider" info.

They either have large amounts of forgiveness or they just like them as people and could care less about what information they give. I'd probably hold the latter option in higher regard, they seem to like people like Fatman. I don't know if they befriend him solely for his supposed leaks, but they seem to have a tight bond with each other.

I would say "Why don't you ask the thread yourself?" but I doubt you'd make it out of there without either a hostile response or an infraction for an honest question.

 

[SharkLord]

Same. I think now that people view Master Chief in the realm of possibility, Scorpion is one of those never-ever characters that would blindside people for sure, kinda like Cloud and Joker did. People don’t expect him because “Mortal Kombat banned in Japan”, but Injustice has shown that he can be toned down and still be in character and the series is incredibly iconic, so who knows.

Characters with little/lesser support outside their home country are interesting to talk about, since half the time they're also very iconic in their home country. For example, Touhou isn't very well-known outside of Japan, but it's also HUGE in Japan. Mortal Kombat's a similar case, but it's also not even released in Japan, unlike Touhou, which is beginning to get localizations as of late. It's true that Scorpion and the like could work without the gore, and the characters themselves aren't banned in Japan, but Mortal Kombat's still got a pretty major barricade to get around in terms of Japanese recognition.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So my guess that if we get a new Sega character it's Kiryu or Sakura is pretty on the ball.


Both sound hot.

I think Arle have way more chance than Sakura. Puyo puyo is way bigger than Sakura wars and Arle have more fan demand. I think that if we do have a second Sega rep realistically it will be either Kiryu or Arle.