Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Guynamednelson]

Isn't the main grievance with the Links the fact that they could be unique from each other and take from other games inn the series rather than being copy-paste movesets with alterations between?

Also how Zelda reps are only members of the Triforce Trio.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, I can accept a character is disconfirmed. "Wait until next game" isn't a good argument in itself. That's just saying to give up. Especially when the next game could be years off. We've been lucky a few games weren't super long apart, but we have no hint of any new SSB game coming. And there's arguments of whether a Deluxe version is remotely possible. It's no more possible than a regular new game with everyone back. The licensing has to be redone either way.

I mean, with Deluxe, it just means no massive character changes, no massive overhauls of gameplay, and so on. It's the same but more. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you.

 

[Guynamednelson]

What you're doing feels like unnecessary gatekeeping

The worst part is that Perk is entirely anti-gatekeeping except for AT promotions as DLC. Don't bother reasoning with him, he wants to think that ATs have just as much work put into them as fighters when just looking at Spring Man as an AT vs. Min Min as a fighter should be enough evidence that that's not the case.

 

[SirBillyBob]

I'll take a deluxe version of Smash Ultimate if it means getting Smash Run with the current roster.
Also, this is the crappiest meme I made, I tried.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I mean...

Banjo might be the only exception, RIGHT NOW. But the fact that Nintendo saw the outpouring of support for this character that was owned by a console competitor and still added them in is a HUGE sign that they’re very open to working with Western companies. And yeah you could say that the support from fans and the recent cooperation of Microsoft was integral to what got Nintendo to consider Banjo but at what point do we draw that line? If fan support and company cooperation is all we need what makes that any different than Doom Slayer and Crash? Banjo was MORE requested, yeah, but saying they’re going to stop there because they got the most requested character in is leaving A lot of money and potential business deals on the table.

This is just pure speculation, But while obviously fan demand played a huge factor, I personally feel like Nintendo still has somewhat of a soft spot for Banjo-Kazooie and wanted to have a reunion of sorts via Smash, It was probably the hardest Rare IP that Nintendo had to relinquish during the 2002 Microsoft buyout and they likely would have been in Melee or Brawl if it wasn't for that.

They were probably like "Remember that fan favorite bear & bird we used to own? "We miss them too and while we no longer own them, We are cool with the company that does and they were nice enough to let him come back, visit and party with us for special occasions like Super Smash Bros".

I mean Banjo-Kazooie is in a truly unique situation that is different than your average 3rd party in Smash, Not only is he 1st party Microsoft Xbox character (Which is seen as somewhat of a competitor), But he used to actually be a 1st Party/2nd Party Nintendo character among the likes of Mario, DK and Pikachu. How many video game characters can we say have been through not just different ownerships from your average 3rd party companies, But 1st party console manufacturers ? Not a lot...if rarely any at all, Rare is very likely the most famous and most brought up company that this has happen to in the video game industry.

Again pure speculation and while demand likely played the biggest factor, Part of me feels like the origins of Banjo-Kazooie and their Nintendo heritage was special enough for Nintendo to go the extra mile for seeing how they have a strong partnership with Microsoft now.

 

[Aetheri]

"Wait until next game" is such a copout argument to tell people who support NPCs and is actually pretty rude because you are basically telling them, 'Just don't bother supporting those characters they're dead, never happen move on.'

Plus development for this game is still on-going, and it's still up in the air whether there will be a third fighter's pass or not. Even then whenever development finally stops (the longer development for Ultimate goes on the longer it will likely be until the next game btw) and Sakurai and the team move on to other projects, exactly how long do you think it will be before the next game? 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? Or even IF there will be a next game? and if there is a next game, how will the devs handle the character roster and whether it'll be an enhanced port of Ultimate (if it is sucks to be those who wanted those Assist Trophies since they'll already have their fates sealed before the game even started, guess they'll have to wait another ten years) or if there will be a roster cut or which characters they'll even bother adding to the game AFTER said roster cut?

 

[Perkilator]

Okay, fine, sorry I said “there’s always next game”. I typed it without thinking, okay?

And as for AT’s…well, I’m at least willing to wait and see in the future.

 

[Guynamednelson]

"Wait until next game" is such a copout argument to tell people who support NPCs and is actually pretty rude because you are basically telling them, 'Just don't bother supporting those characters they're dead, never happen move on.'

Plus development for this game is still on-going, and it's still up in the air whether there will be a third fighter's pass or not. Even then whenever development finally stops (the longer development for Ultimate goes on the longer it will likely be until the next game btw) and Sakurai and the team move on to other projects, exactly how long do you think it will be before the next game? 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? Or even IF there will be a next game? and if there is a next game, how will the devs handle the character roster and whether it'll be an enhanced port of Ultimate (if it is sucks to be those who wanted those Assist Trophies since they'll already have their fates sealed before the game even started, guess they'll have to wait another ten years) or if there will be a roster cut or which characters they'll even bother adding to the game AFTER said roster cut?

This is why I think there's darker intentions behind "wait until next game".

 

[Perkilator]

This is why I think there's darker intentions behind "wait until next game".

Well, sorry if I come off that way.

 

[Nekoo]

I guess It's just me being rationate, but saying "Just wait until the next game" is not something...Bad?
Like, sure, it ****ing suck when your character don't get choosen, or that visibly it's chance are next to 0, but, I guess as someone who's most wanted (Sora and Hero) didn't make it in Smash 4, I see it as a way to not give up, thinking rationally that we just gotta be patient.

I guess, I'm just chill about it.

In the end, it's just what it is, a character in a video game, even if I'm so passionate about Sora, I won't die or take it wrongly if people tell me that, I'll just be like "Yeah, if it doesn't happens there, there still the next one."

 

[Guynamednelson]

Well, sorry if I come off that way.

And I'm sorry if I seemed a bit rude trying to explain why I wouldn't think AT promotions would be so bad. We're all passionate about different characters here.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

“Wait until next game” may not be a strong argument, however there’s one thing it will end up being.

Reality. At least for some fans.

With 5 spots left, a likelihood of at least a few non-Nintendo characters, and certain characters cast as AT, which could certainly lead to no upgrade, some fans are literally going to have to face the music.

I’m saying this as somebody who could also face this with characters I want. Hell, I may not get Dante. But if he’s not among the final characters and Ultimate is done after this DLC, then I have no choice but to wait until the next Smash.

However, as others have said there’s a certain allure to getting your most wanted into the biggest crossover in gaming history as opposed to the Smash game that follows it up and is likely considered inferior. It’s plain to see that in terms of crossovers, Ultimate will be considered one of the best, if not the best. Everybody wants their most wanted in now so that they’re in the big one.

Anyway, while it’s not a strong argument, it’s simply a reality that not all fans will get what they want. It’s a good idea to at least consider what life may be like without your most wanted before it hits you for real.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, sorry if I come off that way.

...You honestly didn't. You didn't really come off as any actual way besides "be patient", honestly. It's not a bad thing, but it's just that people don't feel it works out well for them so are against it. That's all.

You weren't even really making an argument. Just a statement. People don't want to be patient, and that's okay too. This happens all the time. People don't go into speculation often expecting a new game will come along, so they have a "now or never" mindset. It makes sense. Sakurai has even gone out of his way to state that he doesn't generally plan to even make a new game, not just because he's asked about making them(as it's not his IP either), but because he tries to go into development as if it were the last of a specific game. This bleeds into the speculation community who takes his statements pretty seriously, and not always exactly what he means.

 

[PeridotGX]

There are also characters from rotating casts

Speaking of Fighterz, wonder how long until suggesting different versions characters already in the game becomes widely popular in Smash speculation. Paper Mario, Mega Man X, and Alph (to an extent) are some that have some traction already. Y'all ready for Bowser Jr. (Sunshine) to become a Top 10 requested character?

Despite the name, Mega Man X and are entirely different characters. X was Dr. Light's magnum opus, and the first robot to be fully sentient.

 

[Nekoo]

“Wait until next game” may not be a strong argument, however there’s one thing it will end up being.

Reality. At least for some fans.

With 5 spots left, a likelihood of at least a few non-Nintendo characters, and certain characters cast as AT, which could certainly lead to no upgrade, some fans are literally going to have to face the music.

I’m saying this as somebody who could also face this with characters I want. Hell, I may not get Dante. But if he’s not among the final characters and Ultimate is done after this DLC, then I have no choice but to wait until the next Smash.

However, as others have said there’s a certain allure to getting your most wanted into the biggest crossover in gaming history as opposed to the Smash game that follows it up and is likely considered inferior. It’s plain to see that in terms of crossovers, Ultimate will be considered one of the best, if not the best. Everybody wants their most wanted in now so that they’re in the big one.

Anyway, while it’s not a strong argument, it’s simply a reality that not all fans will get what they want. It’s a good idea to at least consider what life may be like without your most wanted before it hits you for real.

I think this is how I think lmao. And speculation really made me think that people are waaaaaay too passionate about characters in a video-game, sure smash might be the Biggest crossover in gaming history, and easily one of the biggest one in media, but still.
It's a video-game, we shouldn't argue about it, or discard/put down people's opinion about a character.
But on the second hand, people should and HAVE to get ready to face reality when as always, it comes with a big ass ***** slap right into the face, like every end of smash roster does.
If another character get in, but not yours, it's not because "it stole a spot' that spot never was his.
It's not because your character is ****, or not famous.
Maybe it can be because this game it was an AT and they didn't want to upgrade, maybe not!

In the end, what we say, beside yelling loudly in a thread of a website doesn't matter, the choice has already been made since summer 2019/fall 2019 when the second pass was negociated.

We can just wait and see what will happens, and see where this long hype train will lead us to. And what the terminus will looks like.

 

[Perkilator]

...You honestly didn't. You didn't really come off as any actual way besides "be patient", honestly. It's not a bad thing, but it's just that people don't feel it works out well for them so are against it. That's all.

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Yeah, wait until the next game that won't come out years from now and will more than likely have a smaller roster than Ultimate.

And on top of that isn’t guaranteed to be on a console with as nearly as large of an install base as the Switch. If we go by Nintendo’s pattern (GCN - tiny install base, Wii - massive install base, Wii U - tiny install base, Switch - massive install base), who knows how well the next game will do compared to Ultimate, regardless of its quality.

 

[SharkLord]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

I want to see Bandana Dee kick the snot out of Bowser, as if saying, "Hat Goomba THIS!" On the other side of the spectrum, Piranha Plant would work just as well, due to being a featureless common enemy without even a piece of headwear like Bandana Dee. I'd suggest Yoshi too, since he's either a glorified power-up or one of many Yoshis that you play as, but I don't think that would hold as much wieght.

For Reimu, I'd like to see multiple characters in a shadow art sequence, referencing the Bad Apple remix music video. I know it's fanmade, but fanworks are a big part of Touhou. If any series will integrate fanworks, it would be Touhou. Plus, the black-and-white cross at the beginning of the video would transition easily to another recognizable symbol, like Mario's hat.

Klonoa's trailer would obviously involve Kirby and possible Rosalina as well, thanks to the whole dream-theme the series has. Pac-Man would work well too, due to being a fellow Bandai-Namco character and even going as far as appearing on his hat.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

New POTD

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 6, 2020

Huh I actually didn’t know Valkyrie was in PAC-MAN’s taunt but good to know they’re acknowledging Bandai Namco like this

 

[Guynamednelson]

If we go by Nintendo’s pattern (GCN - tiny install base, Wii - massive install base, Wii U - tiny install base, Switch - massive install base)

That's kind of a coincidence. Nintendo consoles were selling less and less until the Wii came around, then Nintendo ****ed up with marketing, then they learned how to market again.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

It's hard to say for Brian in my case.

You have a lot of those who are clearly villains, with Bowser, Bowser Jr., Ganondorf, and Ridley. You have those who have been villains in the past, mainly DK and Wolf, though Mario too during Donkey Kong Jr. and all. Mewtwo as well had a villainous role at first, but quickly went good, well before ones like Wolf or DK did. It's kind of its main anime thing. So my thought is having the villains causing trouble in general with Brian attacking them with a proper spell remotely related to their element, based upon Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water. In this case, Bowser works best as Fire, Bowser Jr.'s alts can be Water for versatility/fluid options(not entirely, though their moveset does have a versatile-like style to it), Ganondorf for Earth due to immense strength, and Ridley for Wind cause of flying capabilities. The general moves would be in order, Fireball Lv 1, Ice Knife(since it targets), Rock Lv 1 or Magnet Rock(latter targets directly), and Wind Cutter Lv 1. While a few aren't the base spells, these all could make for an interesting trailer.

The thing about having a character with versatile options is that multiple characters make sense. Like how MegaMan has many in his trailer due to his weapon system.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

I want to see Ganondorf trying to collect Triforce pieces with Ganon's shadow backing him up as he fights his way through Link, Zelda, Mario, Samus and other heroes.

As Ganondorf collects the last of the Triforce, he merges with Ganon, finally taking a corporeal form and summons his trident into his hand.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

That's kind of a coincidence. Nintendo consoles were selling less and less until the Wii came around, then Nintendo ****ed up with marketing, then they learned how to market again.

Regardless, it’s a coincidence that’s lasted almost 20 years at this point, Nintendo just hasn't had much luck with having two successive home console generations in a row for a while now. I wasn’t really implying that the next console is guaranteed to fail or anything, just that the future is uncertain and there’s no guarantee of the next console doing as well as the Switch.

 

[Aetheri]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

Apologies if I came across as harsh, but as someone who's both supported characters who remained assist trophies after already waiting as well as supported characters who've been promoted, I know both the feeling of frustration of "better luck next time" and gratification of "WE MADE IT!" And I've felt both in this game. It's one of those arguments that we get a lot when we support these characters.

With that said...
Midna - (it would be hilarious, let's be honest)
Elma - (follow-up to the Ridley reveal trailer, either that or )
Crash - (if Crash gets revealed and they don't have at least Mario and Sonic present that's just a huge missed opportunity, maybe as well but moreso the former two)
Tifa - (any one of could work, similar to who they've battle in FFVII)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

Octoling (with the Galeem theme I mentioned in the past to complement Hero’s Dharkon themed trailer, Galeem is a stand in for Commander Tartar): Inkling (as Agent 3) obviously. And maybe the seven Echoes in CGI as Octolings will be unique and it’s a subtle way of shutting down the idea that they can only be an Echo

Neku: Cloud AND Hero drawn in Nomura’s style in a TWEWY style cutscene

Elma: EVERYONE. yes literally everyone revealed up until Elma as my dream trailer for her is in WoL’s final battle when everyone is getting ready to defeat both Galeem and Dharkon and return home

KOS-MOS: Mega Man, Samus, the Star Fox peeps including Wolf, MAYBE Ridley?

Crash: Mario, Sonic and Banjo

 

[PeridotGX]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

Bandana Dee - It should probably be the core Kirby cast, so , , and . They'd be fighting someone (probably Marx), start losing, and then Bandana Dee comes in and everything goes well.

Grovyle - My idea for his trailer involves two characters representing the Protagonist and the Sidekick, so I guess and ? They'd be walking around in the destroyed future, get ambushed by Dusknoir, then saved by Grovyle and Celebi.

Maxwell - and , in reference to their appearance in Scribblenauts Unlimited for Wii U. They'd be fighting, and then it'd be revealed they were fakes conjured by Maxwell. He then thinks "wouldn't it be cool if I could fight the real ones?" and creates a Smash invite.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

• Phoenix Wright - and , as part of a recreation of Super Mario Sunshine's courtroom scene.
• Dante - ... don't know how the trailer would go, I just want Dante and Bayonetta to fight or interact.
• Doom Slayer - and , with Doom Slayer intervening to help Samus.
• Geno - ... yeah, I just want another repeat of that "Gotcha!" trailer, with either Mega Man or Mii Gunner trying to stand in for Geno before the real deal shows up.
• Heihachi - A continuation of the Ken/Incineroar trailer, with and defeating and in a tag-team match, before Heihachi enters the ring and challenges them to Smash... and then the trailer ends with entering the ring and challenging Heihachi in turn.
• Crash - Mainly and , as a nod to the three-way rivalry between all three. Possibly also and as a nod to Crash essentially being the PlayStation mascot.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

If Rhythm heaven is in Smash I think they would need a trailer with Wario because the franchise is often compared to Wario ware (both franchise are amde by the same team and have simplistic art style and controls and focus on mini games).

 

[Nekoo]

Neku: Cloud AND Hero drawn in Nomura’s style in a TWEWY style cutscene

We will so obviously get Joker to appear in Neku's trailer is it happens with the whole Shibuya centric thematics-
It's probably the thing I can see happens if we get Neku because of how obvious it is lmao

 

[DarthEnderX]

No one's whining or even bringing up that 17 was already an assist.

I did.

Not that I didn't want him to be playable. I just felt like they should have changed 18's moveset to no longer include him once he was.

It makes her feel inferior that she uses his help but he doesn't use hers.

Speaking of Fighterz, wonder how long until suggesting different versions characters already in the game becomes widely popular in Smash speculation.

Over my dead body. That's when.

That **** is actually what made me drop DBFZ.

 

[Garteam]

I don't think assist trophies would necessarily be locked out if the next Smash game is just Ultimate Deluxe. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe removed content from the Wii U version that didn't make sense to keep, like the Miiverse stickers and the battle courses. I could see them doing something similar if they wanted to upgrade Waluigi, Spring Man, or Issac in a hypothetical deluxe version.

Honestly, the more I think on it, giving Ultimate the deluxe treatment as the next Smash game may be the thing that makes the most people happy. It seems like almost everyone is in agreement that, unfortunately, there really is no way to top Ultimate in terms of scale. So, why bother trying? Why not just continue to ride the wave as long as possible? Some people might be pissed that the Switch 2 doesn't have a unique Smash game, but that'll probably in the face of such a celebrated game getting a second run with new content. Plus, we'd likely get Smash as a first year title, as opposed to the second/third year title it's often been in the past.

As the technical advances of each console generation continue to shrink to smaller and smaller differences, people seem to be more and more alright with ports from previous generations. If Sony was confident enough to have GTA V, a 7 year-old game from two console generations ago, as the headliner of their PS5 event, I think publishers are aware of the value of having older, established products available on new systems. Hell, the best selling Switch game by a good margin is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. It's a win on both the business front and for keeping the fans happy.

The only issue is, obviously, licensing. There's a lot of hands in Ultimate's cookie pot and it's going to be difficult to get all parties back on board. That being said, I don't think it's necessarily impossible. I think most corporations realize that licensing a character into Smash is basically free money and good publicity at this point. Even Konami and Square, the two companies most speculated to be the problem children of rejoining Smash, have given a lot of content to Smash at this point. Even if worst comes to worst and some IPs fall through the cracks and have to be removed, things should go over fine as long as they don't have a full playable character. Like, it would suck to lose Kunio's spirit or Vault Boy's costume, but it would be a relatively minor complaint to Banjo, Cloud, and Snake returning.

The only major issue is Sugiyama potentially trying to suck up 20% of the game's sales because he had the generosity to grace us heathens with 8 midis, but that's still a relatively minor speed bump in the grand scheme things.

 

[Guynamednelson]

As the technical advances of each console generation continue to shrink to smaller and smaller differences, people seem to be more and more alright with ports from previous generations

It's less that and more that ports are the only way to keep playing a lot of these games on newer systems, or at least the most mainstream one. PCs don't work the same way consoles do and Xbox One has a lot of backwards compatible games.

That and with the Switch being more successful, it exposes more people to games originally developed for the Wii U.

 

[Banado_Boy]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

Hasn’t appeared in the CGI portion of a trailer yet, so I doubt it would happen, but if Travis gets revealed for that NMH2 Skelter Helter reference.

For KOS-MOS, maybe to reference the Project X Zone opening, or just because they’re both Monolith Soft characters.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I’d also like to see a trailer with Terry in full CGI

 

[kevinthedot]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

With Shantae the most logical thing would be to involve Toon Link given his relationship to pirates and all.
If they could use more third party characters, Bayonetta would probably also make a fantastic interaction with Shantae and it'd actually give Bayonetta a real trailer appearance. It's a shame that Bayo never got a full cinematic trailer and just had to go with some (admittedly great) voice over with in-game footage.

 

[ShrimpScampi]

• Phoenix Wright - and , as part of a recreation of Super Mario Sunshine's courtroom scene.

I have one friend who (1) isn't the biggest fan of Phoenix in Smash, and (2) would go nuts for anything Sunshine-related, so I can imagine this trailer getting him all hyped up for a Sunshine remake only for it to be nothing of the sort lol

For characters I'd want to see in the trailers of some of my most wanted...

• Travis - I think it would make sense to have his be a continuation of the Ken/Incineroar trailer, since Incineroar has the wrestler motif and Travis is a big wrestling fan. I could also see them doing a complete misdirection like what they did with that one NMH3 trailer -- have a Smash "reveal" for something completely unrelated and have Travis crash it.
• Phoenix - The Sunshine trailer idea would be a lot of fun. I also think Joker could work -- he's a thief (albeit a very unorthodox one), and Sae Niijima could be the opposing prosecutor
• 2B - ROB and Mega Man would make the most sense, maybe throw in Meta Ridley. Basically give her some robots to beat up
• Neku - Cloud (for also being a Nomura character) or Joker (for both of them being in Shibuya) would make sense. It could also be neat to see some existing pair fighters (Ice Climbers, Rosalina & Luma, Duck Hunt, Banjo & Kazooie) if they wanted to focus on the idea of partners in the trailer, although that would probably make more sense as one of the short gameplay clips rather than the theme of the full trailer
• Estelle - I hadn't really thought much about a trailer for her, but cashregister9 had a really good trailer idea in the Estelle support thread that includes characters who fish in their source games (such as Byleth, Villager, Isabelle, and Pokemon Trainer), and I think that'd be great

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Thanks.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

Dixie Kong - (The final act to round out the treehouse trailers into a trilogy, maybe a montage of female characters like instead of villains for her)
Krystal - (Kinda self explanatory there).
Andy/Sami - (Any group of the FE characters) maybe dual reveal with Black Shadow/Lyn (Sequel to the Robin/Lucina trailer, the AW characters arrive to join their sister series in the battle).
Phoenix Wright - (or maybe any hero villain duo), defending in court or something.
Sora - on a glass stone full of Smash Bros characters similar to the Disney character glassstones in Dive to the Heart, getting an invitation to join Smash through white text like in his games. (Exhibit A) (Exhibit B)
Chun-Li - obviously, maybe a sequel to the Dixie Kong trailer where they add Dixie to the end just like how was added to the end of the montage in the trailer.
Cooking Mama - . (And and in their Chef's outfits) (And in his waiter outfit).
RE Reps (Chris Redfield/Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy/Claire Redfield) - (Sequel to the trailer, this time is in the Spencer Mansion being scared by zombies and other RE monsters). It's literally perfect.
Crash - (Obviously recreating the old school feud).
Bomberman - (Battles of the Mans)
Shantae/Tetra - dual reveal with Shantae's experience dealing with pirates.
Ashley - . Witches interacting with each other.

 

[DevaAshera]

“Wait until next game” may not be a strong argument, however there’s one thing it will end up being.

Reality. At least for some fans.

With 5 spots left, a likelihood of at least a few non-Nintendo characters, and certain characters cast as AT, which could certainly lead to no upgrade, some fans are literally going to have to face the music.

I’m saying this as somebody who could also face this with characters I want. Hell, I may not get Dante. But if he’s not among the final characters and Ultimate is done after this DLC, then I have no choice but to wait until the next Smash.

However, as others have said there’s a certain allure to getting your most wanted into the biggest crossover in gaming history as opposed to the Smash game that follows it up and is likely considered inferior. It’s plain to see that in terms of crossovers, Ultimate will be considered one of the best, if not the best. Everybody wants their most wanted in now so that they’re in the big one.

Anyway, while it’s not a strong argument, it’s simply a reality that not all fans will get what they want. It’s a good idea to at least consider what life may be like without your most wanted before it hits you for real.

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, I faced the music a long time ago. I doubt I'll ever see many of my big time wants like Saber (Fate/series), 2B, Velvet Crowe, or especially Asuka (Senran Kagura)..though, granted, I didn't think I'd get Joker or Min Min either, so anything could happen.

Now then, let’s talk about something else. What kind of existing character do you want to see featured in the reveal trailer for your most wanted?

Well, for Saber, I'd love to see some iconic sword-wielders alongside her, like Link, Cloud, Erdrick, and Marth.
For 2B, I think having her decimate a bunch of ROBs would make a lot of sense.
For Sora, I think having him helping defend Cloud from some characters like Mario & Link would be pretty fitting.
For Velvet, having her fight off more bestial or demonic characters like Wolf, Dark Samus, and Ganondorf would be fitting.
For Asuka, it has to be a fight with Sheik & Greninja.
and for Rex & Pyra, I feel like Shulk has to be there and maybe Link since technically his Master Sword has a Spirit much like Rex's sword has (Pyra/Mythra).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

he only major issue is Sugiyama potentially trying to suck up 20% of the game's sales because he had the generosity to grace us heathens with 8 midis

Is this an actual figure or is it hyperbole?

 

[Gribbo]

New POTD

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 6, 2020

Huh I actually didn’t know Valkyrie was in PAC-MAN’s taunt but good to know they’re acknowledging Bandai Namco like this

That might be because, for whatever reason, Pac-Man's taunt had a few version-specific characters in Smash 4. The 3DS version exclusively had the blue Pac-Man ghost and the king from King and Balloon. Wii U version has that giant rectangular thing (from Xevious), Valkyrie, and the player character from Metro Cross. Ultimate has all of them and they threw in Heihachi and the Prince from Katamari Damacy for good measure.