Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

finally, spring man tomorrow. no more sleepless nights wondering when spring man will grace my life with his presence in the super smash bros ultimate game. spring-a-ling

*maskless Spring Man*

Thanks! I hate it!

Okay seriously.

When are we getting any E3 style news?

Next year. If that.

I dunno I have a feeling this E3 was gonna be a very empty one by Nintendo and the cancellation of the event may have saved their asses.

Seems like it. E3 probably would have been like:

• Super Smash Bros. X ARMS
• Paper Mario: The Origami King
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild's sequel's second teaser.
• ???
• Super Smash Bros.'s 7th DLC fighter.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

finally, spring man tomorrow. no more sleepless nights wondering when spring man will grace my life with his presence in the super smash bros ultimate game. spring-a-ling

>maskless Springo

five minutes later, mans gonna be in a predicament cause his ARMS will unravel (it’s in the lore, the mask is a necessity)

 

[toonito]

SO NEW QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS!

If Smash HAD to get another Final Fantasy Rep, who would be the best character to get it? I would honestly think Noctis or Yuna.

IMO Terra, Tifa, Noctis or Vivi (Black Mage)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

five minutes later, mans gonna be in a predicament cause his ARMS will unravel (it’s in the lore, the mask is a necessity)

I'm a shape shifter
Springy to my core
Please don't take off my mask
To break my ARMS

 

[SKX31]

Nintendo's been dropping a bunch of announcements within the past few weeks, mind you nothing was particularly mindblowing apart from Paper Mario but they haven't exactly been completely quiet.

The issue is when compared to Sony and Microsoft: The PS5 reveal would've been a clear E3 presentation had Sony still participated. And even though Microsoft's seen as being on the backfoot because of the PS5 reveal (and their own May trailer being seen as lacklustre in comparision) they still have a first-party presentation scheduled for July.

The Xenoblade remaster and Paper Mario doesn't really compare.

If the radio silence Re: FP7 continues into July, then I imagine it'll be a shadowdrop, shown at EVO Online or the wildest of wildcards, ChinaJoy (China's E3). Most likely a shadowdrop, but I'm not counting out the latter two.

Seems like it. E3 probably would have been like:

• Super Smash Bros. X ARMS
• Paper Mario: The Origami King
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild's sequel's second teaser.
• ???
• Super Smash Bros.'s 7th DLC fighter.

Metroid Prime 4 could've perhaps had something - considering the project was restarted January 2019. Ditto with any rumored Mario remakes if they exist. Sword / Shield DLC would've been featured - specifically Isle of Armor since it comes out June 17th. And if New Horizons has any DLC or expansions, it'd likewise be there too.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Metroid Prime 4 could've perhaps had something - considering the project was restarted January 2019. Ditto with any rumored Mario remakes if they exist. Sword / Shield DLC would've been featured - specifically Isle of Armor since it comes out June 17th. And if New Horizons has any DLC or expansions, it'd likewise be there too.

Definitely not Metroid Prime 4. They wouldn't have really anything ready to show off after only a year of development on such a large game.

But yeah. Add Isle of Armour and Frozen Tundra updates and Animal Crossing: New Horizon's fall plans (Turkey Day and Spooky Day or whatever they call it) and to the list in place of "???".

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I mean, 2020 was practically always going to be a more lean year akin to 2018 for the Switch after 2019 had dropped so many notable releases. Remember, 2019 brought us New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, Yoshi's Crafted World, Super Mario Maker 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Astral Chain, Daemon X Machina, The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, Dragon Quest 11 S, Ring Fit Adventure, Luigi's Mansion, and Pokemon Sword/Shield. A bunch of major titles that Nintendo had a hand in bringing to us either directly through development or publishing. That's a ton of their major studios releasing titles.

The current situation, while incredibly frustrating, does make sense in that context. 2020 hasn't been an awful year thus far. Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition, Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Paper Mario: The Origami King are pretty big releases even if some people may not love them all or as much as other releases... but It's also just a side effect of Nintendo always playing incredibly close to the chest and COVID throwing off their plans across the board and requiring major reshuffling of their release schedule that they're probably not confident on. By all accounts, all parts of Nintendo save for Sakurai's team and other DLC productions, have been majorly disrupted and Nintendo has struggled to transition to work from home. With COVID-19 going to be a consistent reality for the foreseeable future that is likely to cause additional disruptions as cases rise and the need for lockdown measures return, Nintendo likely doesn't want to announce much unless they are certain the games will make those release dates. Even if some studios can resume development now, they might not be able to necessarily be back at work until let's say October of this year for a November release, and Nintendo seems to recognize that.

Not to mention, 2 months of lost development does not mean 2 month delays necessarily either. Nintendo has an entire release schedule that also has to take in consideration all sorts of their own titles as well as what they may be putting their own titles against on the market, so dates may be further extended out of an initial 2 month delay. Furthermore, if a studio has found a good work flow prior to having to stop, resuming that work flow is not always the easiest thing to do and often necessitates some additional time than what might have been needed had they been able to hammer away as normal. Add in the fact that Nintendo pushes quality titles above all else, and 2 months to consider how they're going to develop the game extra and all sorts of things may change for those titles.

It sucks we know so little, and I do think Nintendo's close to the chest mentality has come back to bite them in the ass with everything going on. But I also understand a lot of their hesitation right now.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know, if those Super Mario remake rumors are true, I wouldn't be surprised if they were delayed until next year where they can make it a big event.

 

[Jerry98]

Metroid Prime 4 could've perhaps had something - considering the project was restarted January 2019. Ditto with any rumored Mario remakes if they exist. Sword / Shield DLC would've been featured - specifically Isle of Armor since it comes out June 17th. And if New Horizons has any DLC or expansions, it'd likewise be there too.

Sadly it's too soon for MP4, but it's time to announce the Trilogy remaster. I'm sure it's ready and they are only waiting for the right time to release it.

 

[Cosmic77]

I know COVID-19 has everyone pessimistic about the rest of the year, but I don't think it'll be as tragic as everyone thinks.

Now I'm not saying you should expect something like 2017's E3, but at least wait until Nintendo says something or we get some type of Direct over the summer. Keep in mind that Origami King got revealed roughly two months from its release. Anything could happen.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I mean, 2020 was practically always going to be a more lean year akin to 2018 for the Switch after 2019 had dropped so many notable releases. Remember, 2019 brought us New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, Yoshi's Crafted World, Super Mario Maker 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Astral Chain, Daemon X Machina, The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, Dragon Quest 11 S, Ring Fit Adventure, Luigi's Mansion, and Pokemon Sword/Shield. A bunch of major titles that Nintendo had a hand in bringing to us either directly through development or publishing. That's a ton of their major studios releasing titles.

The current situation, while incredibly frustrating, does make sense in that context. 2020 hasn't been an awful year thus far. Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition, Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Paper Mario: The Origami King are pretty big releases even if some people may not love them all or as much as other releases... but It's also just a side effect of Nintendo always playing incredibly close to the chest and COVID throwing off their plans across the board and requiring major reshuffling of their release schedule that they're probably not confident on. By all accounts, all parts of Nintendo save for Sakurai's team and other DLC productions, have been majorly disrupted and Nintendo has struggled to transition to work from home. With COVID-19 going to be a consistent reality for the foreseeable future that is likely to cause additional disruptions as cases rise and the need for lockdown measures return, Nintendo likely doesn't want to announce much unless they are certain the games will make those release dates. Even if some studios can resume development now, they might not be able to necessarily be back at work until let's say October of this year for a November release, and Nintendo seems to recognize that.

Not to mention, 2 months of lost development does not mean 2 month delays necessarily either. Nintendo has an entire release schedule that also has to take in consideration all sorts of their own titles as well as what they may be putting their own titles against on the market, so dates may be further extended out of an initial 2 month delay. Furthermore, if a studio has found a good work flow prior to having to stop, resuming that work flow is not always the easiest thing to do and often necessitates some additional time than what might have been needed had they been able to hammer away as normal. Add in the fact that Nintendo pushes quality titles above all else, and 2 months to consider how they're going to develop the game extra and all sorts of things may change for those titles.

It sucks we know so little, and I do think Nintendo's close to the chest mentality has come back to bite them in the ass with everything going on. But I also understand a lot of their hesitation right now.

Part of the skepticism I think is rooted in stuff like the lack of reveals at the Game Awards and that after the news drought the first three months, that the mini-direct in March didn't really feel like it amounted to much. I suspect to some there's been a recent pattern of underwelming major news from Nintendo that doesn't seem like its due to change any time soon.

 

[Sari]

Since today is pretty slow in terms of Direct news, I got a surprise for you all: the latest Smash Underdogs article that I just finished! This time the character is none other than Capcom's very own...

Mike Haggar from Final Fight!

Click here to read the article!​

Making this article took a long time due to personal drama so I hope you all enjoy it. I also added some new sections to the series such as a classic mode route and potential Mii Costumes.

 

[Perkilator]

Not gonna lie, I'd just about EXPLODE with rage if Spring Man got in.

Not BECAUSE he's in (I like him as a character) but because people will rub it in my face that Spring Man got in first and not another character (out of literally 15) like the initial teaser promised.

You know, thinking about it again...this definitely wouldn't be the right way to express my disappointment if this happened. I'd moreso be pejorative if anything.

 

[DarthEnderX]

We have the mario bros in this game, but we don’t have the smash bros in this game. I think after the arms character, we should have the smash bros be the next dlc character

We are all The Smash Brothers.

 

[Knight Dude]

Okay seriously.

When are we getting any E3 style news?

The only thing we got was Paper Mario which I assume was meant for E3 but we have nothing else.

They gotta show off their winter games SOME TIME.

It's mostly been drip feeding a few indie games and ports, like that West by Dead(I think that's what it's called, looks cool) and those 2 Prinny Platformer games.

As for major Nintendo stuff, it's mostly been Xenoblade and Paper Mario.

 

[Suiren_Kirin]

I imagine they announced something in a few hours tomorrow on the anniversary of ARMS

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I imagine they announced something in a few hours tomorrow on the anniversary of ARMS

Nintendo of America tweeting out happy 3rd anniversary of the release of ARMS with nothing else to show followed by everyone in the comments collectively crying out "When is the ARMS character going to be revealed?"

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Okay seriously.

When are we getting any E3 style news?

The only thing we got was Paper Mario which I assume was meant for E3 but we have nothing else.

They gotta show off their winter games SOME TIME.

Then keep waiting, friend

Even before the virus ruined everything something was clearly wrong: All they had were Animal Crossing and Xenoblade Definitive Edition and they were AGGRESSIVELY pushing Animal Crossing and nothing else for a good long while.

We only just found out about Paper Mario, and now they're pushing a filler-game like Clubhouse Games, and rather than announce new games they're spending the month of June shilling their online tournaments. Heck, they can't even bring themselves to reveal ARMS since they know that will overshadow Pokemon and they're going to give that lots of space to give it all the press space it will needs

It's just becoming painfully obvious that they just have nothing to show for themselves this year

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Okay seriously.

When are we getting any E3 style news?

The only thing we got was Paper Mario which I assume was meant for E3 but we have nothing else.

They gotta show off their winter games SOME TIME.

What if they didn't have an E3 plan or even a 2020 lineup and would just have redid the "Nintendo Switch has lots of games" schtick from Game Awards?

 

[Cosmic77]

There's nothing that says everything for the remainder of 2020 must be revealed before the end of June. Maybe we'll get some more announcements this month, maybe not. Honestly, it doesn't make that much of a difference. They could have a Direct in July or August and still have a decent gap between the reveal and the 2020 holiday releases.

To put it simply, we don't know if they're holding off reveals because of COVID-19 or because they're in the process of making an updated version of their E3 Direct. Summer just started, and the end of June of way too soon for people to give up hope.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Say it with me folks.

The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June
The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June
The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June

 

[TheCJBrine]

Say it with me folks.

The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June
The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June
The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June

Every copy of ARMS is personalized.
Every copy of Super Smash Bros. is personalized.
Every copy of the ARMS DLC pack is personalized.
Every copy-

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Say it with me folks.

The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June
The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June
The ARMS rep is releasing in the 30th of June

"Due to unforeseen circumstances, the development time for the ARMS fighter will have to extend until August."

 

[Speed Weed]

Every copy of ARMS is personalized.
Every copy of Super Smash Bros. is personalized.
Every copy of the ARMS DLC pack is personalized.
Every copy-

if that's the case then where the **** is lanky kong in my copy

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

if that's the case then where the **** is lanky kong in my copy

That feature was reserved for another person.

 

[Cosmic77]

"Due to unforeseen circumstances, the release date for the ARMS fighter has been pushed back to June 31st."

"Wait, aren't there only 30 days in—"

"DUE TO UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE RELEASE DATE FOR THE ARMS FIGHTER HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK TO JUNE 31ST!!!"

 

[KingofPhantoms]

There's no question that COVID has had an impact on Nintendo's planned reveals, not to mention development time their games, Smash included.

The question is just how far that impact is going to push these reveals out.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

There's no question that COVID has had an impact on Nintendo's planned reveals, not to mention development time their games, Smash included.

The question is just how far that impact is going to push these reveals out.

January.




3042.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

"Due to unforeseen circumstances, the development time for the ARMS fighter will have to extend until August."

It’s coming out in June...

2021.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

"Due to unforeseen circumstances, the release date for the ARMS fighter has been pushed back to June 31st."

"Wait, aren't there only 30 days in—"

"DUE TO UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE RELEASE DATE FOR THE ARMS FIGHTER HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK TO JUNE 31ST!!!"

January.




3042.

It’s coming out in June...

2021.

Looks like we're gonna be here a while, ladies and gents.

Maybe if we're lucky we'll get an update on Breath of the Wild 2's release date in 30 years to tide us over.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Smash Fans: We want the reveal of the ARMS rep!
Nintendo: Here's more unrelated Smash content instead.

 

[Cyberfire]

It's already out, you just have to get the code from a lady named June.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Part of the skepticism I think is rooted in stuff like the lack of reveals at the Game Awards and that after the news drought the first three months, that the mini-direct in March didn't really feel like it amounted to much. I suspect to some there's been a recent pattern of underwelming major news from Nintendo that doesn't seem like its due to change any time soon.

Well, I'll disagree with you there. Nintendo didn't bring a Smash fighter to The Game Awards, but Bravely Default II is a Nintendo published title in the west that they're clearly investing in, MUA3 DLC while not a show stopper was also specifically a Nintendo product, and then No More Heroes III is one of the Switch's bigger exclusive third party titles that had been teased since the Switch's original reveal. Nintendo still brought content and helped make sure their content was on display (and let's face it, their reveals are all the place in terms of quality, Joker was also paired with MUA3's announcement to begin with).

Then the first few months had a lot of news. We had a big Pokemon Direct, Byleth's announcement, an Animal Crossing Direct, and then a Nindies followed by the Nintendo Direct Mini. Even if it didn't amount to much or you didn't love what was announced at these events, that's still a news flow that is not indicative of a drought. Hell, April even brought substantial Mario Maker 2 and New Horizons updates.

And like I said in my original post, 2020 was always going to have to be a bit more of an off year with how 2019 had dropped so much quality content. We also know from insiders that there were likely additional plans that have fallen through due to COVID-19 interrupting them.

 

[SKX31]

Looks like we're gonna be here a while, ladies and gents.

Maybe if we're lucky we'll get an update on Breath of the Wild 2's release date in 30 years to tide us over.

Lemme guess, we're going to visit... strange people.

Just to get FP2 characters early.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

It's already out, you just have to get the code from a lady named June.

But they said the arms character will revealed and released in June... which means... Oh no...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

But they said the arms character will revealed and released in June... which means... Oh no...

WHOOPS! Can’t show that on a Christian forum!

 

[TheCJBrine]

if that's the case then where the **** is lanky kong in my copy

As SMAASH! Puppy said, that feature was reserved for another person. Nintendo’s programs edit each of their games’ copies to tailor a unique experience specifically for you. This doesn’t mean you’ll necessarily get what you want, however. Sometimes, it’ll be the exact opposite. Sometimes, the change is unnoticeable.

 

[VGPhaze]

The next Smash game will be Super Smash Sisters and only include female characters.

not gender swap - just all of Nintendo’s female characters from mainstream to obscure and some third party guests.

Who will be on the roster??

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The next Smash game will be Super Smash Sisters and only include female characters.

not gender swap - just all of Nintendo’s female characters from mainstream to obscure and some third party guests.

Who will be on the roster??

I'll get the obvious Super Bash Sisters out of the way:
(but a girl)(but only Nana)(but you can only have girl Miis)()(but is still referred to as a boy for some reason)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

(but a girl

I'm surprised Female Byleth isn't an emote yet