Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Joker's odd too. He had two separate trailers. An e3 special and a later one down the line showing gameplay. The first one was more of a teaser. Terry's the only other one with two, and they weren't that different. One was more of a teaser than the other.

The trailer with gameplay for ARMS was unlikely to be ready yet. If the character is delayed, that means their gameplay would be too. Besides, it's easier to drum up attention for the series by making it a "guess who" game. That way they can have only one trailer for the gameplay and presentation specifically.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Very few people would ever expect Misango or Kid Cobra.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Very few people would ever expect Misango or Kid Cobra.

Byte & Barq though? that would be a true left field pick

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think they'd hype up that tournament worldwide if they planned a trailer.


Also I disagree with "Spring Man would break the rule, that's hype!" as it doesn't guarantee another promotion. Would it still be hype if Spring Man was the only one?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I think they'd hype up that tournament worldwide if they planned a trailer.


Also I disagree with "Spring Man would break the rule, that's hype!" as it doesn't guarantee another promotion. Would it still be hype if Spring Man was the only one?

If hype was a relevant factor, we wouldn’t get any ARMS character, period, so really who cares if Spring Man wouldn’t be “hype“?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If hype was a relevant factor, we wouldn’t get any ARMS character, period, so really who cares if Spring Man wouldn’t be “hype“?

I mean, it's not exactly exciting to hype up a mystery for 3 months and revealing it's the guy who'd have been added first anyway, the only counterargument people have there is "AT tho" despite how it doesn't mean we'd get it again

 

[Megadoomer]

I think they'd hype up that tournament worldwide if they planned a trailer.


Also I disagree with "Spring Man would break the rule, that's hype!" as it doesn't guarantee another promotion. Would it still be hype if Spring Man was the only one?

I would not be looking forward to dealing with the backlash if Spring Man was the only assist trophy promotion. Maybe I've missed something, but I can't think of many cases where people wanted Spring Man for his own sake. (most of the time, at least from what I've seen, people want him in because it means that other assist trophies could also become playable through DLC)

 

[SneakyLink]

I would not be looking forward to dealing with the backlash if Spring Man was the only assist trophy promotion. Maybe I've missed something, but I can't think of many cases where people wanted Spring Man for his own sake. (most of the time, at least from what I've seen, people want him in because it means that other assist trophies could also become playable through DLC)

If Spring Man is the only promotion I feel for the mod team having to potentially deal with those who complain super vocally.

Let us hope things go peacefully ya?

 

[Perkilator]

If Spring Man is the only promotion I feel for the mod team having to potentially deal with those who complain super vocally.

Let us hope things go peacefully ya?

Yeah, wouldn't want to attract negative salience from some of those dogmatic fans who only care for Assist promotions.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It'll suck, but people'll get over it. "Something happens, therefore something is equally likely" is one of the most flawed arguments. Spring Man getting promoted... certainly helps, but it's not going to put someone in a super good position even then. If another character would get promoted, there'd be context to why.

Sure, it'll help fanbases feel like their characters have another chance(they already feel this way even before ARMS was announced, honestly, but not to the same degree). And sure, there'll be more disappointment. That's just typical Smash speculation. Nothing has changed to begin with, so I wouldn't worry about it. People act overly ridiculous? Just report it if needed and move on.

 

[Speed Weed]

even if we didn't get anymore upgrades now, it'd still be a big ****ing deal for overall smash speculation in the long run

and besides, springo's a cool character on his own and one of my most wanted upgrades, so i'd still be over the moon even if it's just him

 

[Cosmic77]

I wish more people could just appreciate the ARMS character for what they are instead of going, "ATs/Spirits don't deconfirm if Spring Man got in!! Waluigi and Issac could still have a chance!!"

I mean, we're almost guaranteed a very unique character. There's more to F6 than just being a springboard for a different character you want.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Would it still be hype if Spring Man was the only one?

I think you're missing why people think Assist Trophies being possible again would be hype. You are right in that when all is said and done, everyone's chances drop to 0%, and Spring Man's case could prove to be an isolated one. But until then, we don't know that, and the Assist Trophy characters' chances are nonzero, and you'd be able to make a case for some of them even having realistic chances of inclusion. That's what excites people.

I agree that Spring Man himself isn't the most hype of characters (neither is ARMS in general but that's beside the point), but I completely disagree that this optimism surrounding it is misplaced.

I would not be looking forward to dealing with the backlash if Spring Man was the only assist trophy promotion. Maybe I've missed something, but I can't think of many cases where people wanted Spring Man for his own sake. (most of the time, at least from what I've seen, people want him in because it means that other assist trophies could also become playable through DLC)

I'm definitely in the minority here, but I would be disappointed if Spring Man wasn't the fighter because he's objectively the best representative of the game, and that's what I value more than "who's hype". To be honest, I think any outcome will get a just ok response from people anyway, and the only reason why everyone cares so much now is just morbid curiosity. So if people aren't going to care for too long (especially if Challenger Pack 7's fighter is revealed soon afterward), why not just go with the best character for the job?

If the whole guessing game means anything special, I hope it's going to be in the form of a sort of custom character. One slot, but you can pick one of a few characters. They share the same moveset, and potential ARMS loadouts, but their properties are different, and have some different animations as far as taunts and stuff go for characterization purposes. Essentially, a sneaky way to throw in a bunch of Echo Fighters without making people feel like they've been robbed in the other Challenger Packs. There would be other differences too, like the fact that all of them would share the same Classic Mode route.

 

[Heoj]

I want the arms rep to be a spirit promotion for one reason, and its that min-min and geno are my most wanted along with phoenix wright, so the arms rep being a spirit promotion is pretty much the best case scenario for me while if it isn't a spirit promotion then that instantly kills 2 of my most wanted so... not much else to say other than i just hope its a spirit upgrade.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think you're missing why people think Assist Trophies being possible again would be hype. You are right in that when all is said and done, everyone's chances drop to 0%, and Spring Man's case could prove to be an isolated one. But until then, we don't know that, and the Assist Trophy characters' chances are nonzero, and you'd be able to make a case for some of them even having realistic chances of inclusion. That's what excites people.

Call me a pessimist but I think a character should be exciting on their own merits, not what could potentially happen afterwards. If we get more promotions after FP6 but they're not Spring Man, the people who'd pretend to be upset that Spring Man missed his chance would stop caring for him anyway.

 

[3BitSaurus]

There's more to F6 than just being a springboard

Actually no, there isn't.

I regret nothing.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually no, there isn't.

I regret nothing.

It's true. This guy has more Byte than Barq.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Call me a pessimist but I think a character should be exciting on their own merits, not what could potentially happen afterwards. If we get more promotions after FP6 but they're not Spring Man, the people who'd pretend to be upset that Spring Man missed his chance would stop caring for him anyway.

And that's a valid take as well, though I do feel that this will happen for literally every ARMS character. I know Min Min is quite popular in ARMS's speculation, but in the grander scheme of things, I don't think she's that big a character, and most would stop caring for her as well. I think the fact that most people want as many ARMS characters as possible smooshed together as the ARMS rep is really telling of this.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I want the ARMS character to represent ARMS. Min Min is fun but she’s a real small fry in the grand scope of things and Min Min only representing herself with a moveset centered around her unorthodox ARMS and kicks would appeal to a very small set of people.

 

[Phoenixio]

Well I'm excited for the ARMS character, even if it's Spring Man. It's an original IP, should make for some interesting moves and cool extra content. And I won't deny that I thought he'd be part of the base game, so I'm excited to see what more is coming in this fighter pass after such a strong "obvious" pick!

 

[3BitSaurus]

It's true. This guy has more Byte than Barq.

Or maybe he's actually top Brass. We should know in a week or two.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So I just watched Papagenos' latest video and it hits you immediately with "I know Sakurai doesn't really like people reading too much into his tweets for characters that might be coming to Smash, but the fact he's talking about the Mother series and we do have the missing Porky spirit is a little suspicious..."

This is why people make fun of Smash fan speculation.

It's kinda hilarious how he realizes the problem... then immediately proceeds to become part of it.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I want the ARMS character to represent ARMS as well which is why I root for and want the Champ himself, Max Brass. He's the champion of the ARMS league so he's vital to the franchise, he appears in everyone's grand prix "routes", He has a lot of personality, His design is rad and he'd play kinda like how Springy Boi would play but w/Super Armor and a bit more complex.

I think the ARMS character should represent ARMS first and foremost instead of upgrading characters and whatnot but I would not be upset with getting Min Min, Ribbon Girl or whomever else like Spring Man. They'd definitely spice up speculation at least.

 

[Cosmic77]

Part of me wants this ARMS character to have the most broken grap in the game just to see how many people continue the trend of demanding certain DLC characters be banned.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Part of me wants this ARMS character to have the most broken grap in the game just to see how many people continue the trend of demanding certain DLC characters be banned.

Then the competitive players have a migraine because all you have to do is smack it away.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I like Spring Man, I think he’s cool. Initially I did just think about AT upgrades, admittedly, but I played the ARMS trial and after sometime and learning what Spring Man’s aura thing did, I started to genuinely like him and I personally think he’s at least as interesting as the others (and more interesting than a few like Master Mummy). He has a cool personality and design.

So, I’d be happy to see Spring Man get in, and I’d also like Min Min and others, even a few who aren’t already in Smash. As for the AT thing, yeah it’d be kinda disappointing to see the “rule” still standing if we don’t get Spring Man, but it’s meh whatever, and not seeing Spring Man would still feel weird anyway. On the other hand for the AT thing, even if no more upgrades happened, I think it’d still be cool and hype because it still destroys the rule for the future - though I guess we’ll inevitably start getting another made-up rule shoved into speculation anyway.

And I still think using the “guess who?” thing against Spring Man doesn’t make sense. You could ask why they did it for any character, and I’m still sure it was done purely for marketing. And if Spring Man is the character, they still have no reason to deny doing the mystery thing, as he’s still a popular pick anyway and they should judge him at least similarly to how they would the others when deciding that marketing stuff. I’m sure there are Spring Man fans not expecting him despite wanting him.

 

[Perkilator]

Or maybe he's actually top Brass. We should know in a week or two.

Well, let's hoped he doesn't get Coyle'd up in his own salt.

 

[XorahnGaia]

So I just watched Papagenos' latest video and it hits you immediately with "I know Sakurai doesn't really like people reading too much into his tweets for characters that might be coming to Smash, but the fact he's talking about the Mother series and we do have the missing Porky spirit is a little suspicious..."

This is why people make fun of Smash fan speculation.

The worst part about this is that he's one the last few who still try to reach even for the smallest of hints in those pictures.
Atleast from what i've seen, most people came to accept them for what they are: funny and cute snapshots that are supposed to show-off what the dev team did in their spare time.

Oh, I'm sure there are others who continue to overthink their meaning, but i'm at least glad that they are a silent minority now.

 

[SKX31]

Part of me wants this ARMS character to have the most broken grap in the game just to see how many people continue the trend of demanding certain DLC characters be banned.

Well, the current "best grab in the game" set a high bar:

The worst part about this is that he's one the last few who still try to reach even for the smallest of hints in those pictures.
Atleast from what i've seen, most people came to accept them for what they are: funny and cute snapshots that are supposed to show-off what the dev team did in their spare time.

Oh, I'm sure there are others who continue to overthink their meaning, but i'm at least glad that they are a silent minority now.

When people invest a lot emotionally into their favorite characters... yeah no wonder it winds up like this, sadly.

 

[ROBnWatch]

So I just watched Papagenos' latest video and it hits you immediately with "I know Sakurai doesn't really like people reading too much into his tweets for characters that might be coming to Smash, but the fact he's talking about the Mother series and we do have the missing Porky spirit is a little suspicious..."

This is why people make fun of Smash fan speculation.

I mean, I’m one of those who WANTS Porky in Smash. But the fact that Sakurai is tweeting about the series means nothing to me in terms of confirming/deconfirming the character. It’s upsetting to me that Sakurai can’t even post stuff he likes/just wants to talk about due to the sheer mass of people that will immediately take an inch and stretch it to a mile simply to try to boost their own thinking of “MY MOST WANTED CHARACTER IS GOING TO BE IN SMASH BECAUSE SAKURAI SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR GAME!!!”

I mean, ya, it’s cool that he’s saying stuff about the series/a game, but it doesn’t mean anything. I even shared the tweet with a few people I know who like the Mother series, prefacing it with “This most likely means nothing but...” simply because, it really doesn’t mean anything more than “Sakurai picked up a book about the Mother/EarthBound series and enjoys it.”

 

[Opossum]

I wish more people could just appreciate the ARMS character for what they are instead of going, "ATs/Spirits don't deconfirm if Spring Man got in!! Waluigi and Issac could still have a chance!!"

I mean, we're almost guaranteed a very unique character. There's more to F6 than just being a springboard for a different character you want.

I mean, didn't you do the same thing with Byleth and how they "showed that first parties aren't impossible" back when they were revealed?

 

[7NATOR]

Now I know people don't really consider Mortal Kombat to be the most likely Franchise to get a Playable character...or even representation. but I still think this is important, at least for the future of Smash

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/12...etch-4-billion.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[MooMew64]

I mean, Spring Man would be fun, but...

Well, I'm not gonna lie, IMO he's probably the worst pick of the bunch out of the ARMS characters. I'll still enjoy the heck outta him (IF he is the fighter), but it would kinda feel like wasted opportunity to me.

Which is EXACTLY why we need Min Min. I mean, have you seen how cool she is? Min Min is really cool. Like, really cool. Yeah. Put her in.

 

[Mamboo07]

I mean, Spring Man would be fun, but...

Well, I'm not gonna lie, IMO he's probably the worst pick of the bunch out of the ARMS characters. I'll still enjoy the heck outta him (IF he is the fighter), but it would kinda feel like wasted opportunity to me.

Which is EXACTLY why we need Min Min. I mean, have you seen how cool she is? Min Min is really cool. Like, really cool. Yeah. Put her in.

But I want funny green blobby man that goes strecc.

 

[Trevenant]

I mean, Spring Man would be fun, but...

Well, I'm not gonna lie, IMO he's probably the worst pick of the bunch out of the ARMS characters. I'll still enjoy the heck outta him (IF he is the fighter), but it would kinda feel like wasted opportunity to me.

Which is EXACTLY why we need Min Min. I mean, have you seen how cool she is? Min Min is really cool. Like, really cool. Yeah. Put her in.

Tbh the character would be chosen more so to collectively represent ARMS rather than to represent a certain character and being the most vanilla character, he makes sense in that regard

 

[SKX31]

Now I know people don't really consider Mortal Kombat to be the most likely Franchise to get a Playable character...or even representation. but I still think this is important, at least for the future of Smash

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/12...etch-4-billion.html?__twitter_impression=true

TBH I feel uneasy if that goes through - regardless of whether 2K, Activision-Blizzard or EA winds up buying the WB studio. Part of it is: I'm not exactly sure which of those those three would be best (or least bad depending on perspective). Because all three have recent history of planting ridicolously high microtransaction costs on games (and mostly getting away with it).

If this transaction does go through and it turns out MK actually is a FP2 franchise (small chance I know, but for the sake of it)... ooh boy Sakurai's head would spin.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean, Spring Man would be fun, but...

Well, I'm not gonna lie, IMO he's probably the worst pick of the bunch out of the ARMS characters. I'll still enjoy the heck outta him (IF he is the fighter), but it would kinda feel like wasted opportunity to me.

Which is EXACTLY why we need Min Min. I mean, have you seen how cool she is? Min Min is really cool. Like, really cool. Yeah. Put her in.

Hard disagree. If anything, it'd be a waste to add Min Min.

No. Spring Man is the best pick to represent ARMS and its gameplay, and while Min Min isn't the worst pick for this, she's not that great either. If you could add both, that'd be great, but if not, it needs to be Spring Man in my opinion.

 

[Speed Weed]

Which is EXACTLY why we need Min Min. I mean, have you seen how cool she is? Min Min is really cool. Like, really cool. Yeah. Put her in.

ok but like

have you seen kid cobra

 

[MooMew64]

But I want funny green blobby man that goes strecc.

Another excellent choice. It also paves the way for his brother, just as the prophecies foretold:

Spoiler

ok but like

have you seen kid cobra

TBH I feel like I'm down with any of 'em as long as it's not Spring Man.

Again, I like him, but...He's just so bland compared to the others to me, lol. That's just me, though.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

TBH I feel uneasy if that goes through - regardless of whether 2K, Activision-Blizzard or EA winds up buying the WB studio. Part of it is: I'm not exactly sure which of those those three would be best (or least bad depending on perspective). Because all three have recent history of planting ridicolously high microtransaction costs on games (and mostly getting away with it).

If this transaction does go through and it turns out MK actually is a FP2 franchise (small chance I know, but for the sake of it)... ooh boy Sakurai's head would spin.

Oof. I assume that once the contract is agreed upon you can't go back on it, but if not, I can imagine the royalties going way up if any of these companies acquired the studio in enough time.

It also could mean the end of the Injustice series and Mortal Kombat's crossover movie characters since they're no longer connected to WB.

I definitely hope EA doesn't acquire the studio, as it would certainly kill the series with bad business practices, and then a lower budget when the game bombs as a result of pissing people off.