Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[weallfloatdownhere7]

Can't wait for the random tweet from Nintendo next week that says "Heeeyyyyy remember Smash Bros? Yeah, well here's Min Min go have fun."

I miss Directs. ; - ;

I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t still have a Sakurai presentation

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t still have a Sakurai presentation

they'd have announced that by now, you would think

 

[MooMew64]

I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t still have a Sakurai presentation

Honestly don't know what they'll do, tbh. Whatever it is, I only request they don't play this guessing game thing we're doing with the ARMS character again with CP#7, it's super lame imo lol.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

The arms character will be revealed to be a character in a black lycra suit with a question mark mask. The mystery continues even after release.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Either way, Vergeben shouldn't be tied to this. Sabi is still the only one claiming it.

There is an image of what seems to be a GameFaqs(?) DM from Vergeben to someone. Could be edited, though, I guess- something was blacked out, too, but probably personal or really private stuff. Felt like Vergeben’s wording though. I just remember seeing it in the Geno thread, and on 4chan since someone had a link to a post with it (I forgot whether the link was shared in this thread or another...).

they'd have announced that by now, you would think

They could announce it the day before if not another shadow drop, given they’ve seemingly had to do delays and stuff.

 

[Neverx]

Made my top 10, not expecting most of these in FP2.

 

[Knight Dude]

Here're my top 10, some of them aren't too realistic for various reasons lol
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You're kind of a King for putting in Spyro and Ammy. Monster Hunter could be cool too.

Man with this much hatred towards fire I wonder what would happen if a Breath of Fire character got in.. Thinking about it with the way the protagonists are,
I don't think it'd bode too well.

I can't believe Smash fans hate the Scion of Flames.

I don't like him as much as Terry, but he's pretty alright in my book.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

they'd have announced that by now, you would think

Aren’t they usually announced only a couple days in advance? Meaning if that’s what they’re planning on doing, we have a little while longer to wait

Honestly don't know what they'll do, tbh. Whatever it is, I only request they don't play this guessing game thing we're doing with the ARMS character again with CP#7, it's super lame imo lol.

Yeah I agree. The way they handled this Arms situation is so odd.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Aren’t they usually announced only a couple days in advance? Meaning if that’s what they’re planning on doing, we have a little while longer to wait

or, they could just go **** it and shadowdrop like with Joker and the stage builder

ps. don't double post. use the edit button when you wanna add something to your original message. c:

 

[MooMew64]

Yeah I agree. The way they handled this Arms situation is so odd.

I mean, there's definitely a real possibility it was only announced this way because of the current situation with the pandemic...However, if this was how they were always going to announce it no matter what, then it's super strange.

Especially if it ends up bein' Spring Man. I mean, I'd still be excited 'cause all the ARMS cast is great, but to tease us with a guessing game and then say "lol nah it's the guy on the front of the box" would make the reveal decision even worse in hindsight IMO.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

I mean, there's definitely a real possibility it was only announced this way because of the current situation with the pandemic...However, if this was how they were always going to announce it no matter what, then it's super strange.

Especially if it ends up bein' Spring Man. I mean, I'd still be excited 'cause all the ARMS cast is great, but to tease us with a guessing game and then say "lol nah it's the guy on the front of the box" would make the reveal decision even worse in hindsight IMO.

I mean, the only reason it would be disappointing is because people made assumptions and jumped to conclusions about what the outcome should be. If anything they may have just been trying to tamper people’s expectations after the Byleth backlash, which was also due to people’s assumptions and expectations. Nintendo apparently have to walk on egg shells with the Smash community

 

[TheCJBrine]

I mean, there's definitely a real possibility it was only announced this way because of the current situation with the pandemic...However, if this was how they were always going to announce it no matter what, then it's super strange.

Especially if it ends up bein' Spring Man. I mean, I'd still be excited 'cause all the ARMS cast is great, but to tease us with a guessing game and then say "lol nah it's the guy on the front of the box" would make the reveal decision even worse in hindsight IMO.

I still feel the reason they revealed it that way was entirely because of marketing reasons, especially with the trial being dropped right/soon after.

 

[Nekoo]

Boy it has been so long since I posted here or on SmashBoard in general.
Master year and studies sucks, but glad to see that everytime I come back, I miss a Sora discussion from nothing.

But ahem, since I wasn't here, and the fighter is coming soon, I guess I can give my feeling about our first Fighter of this second pass.

The complete Confusion of the ARMS fighter reveal.

The title explain it all. I just, don't understand the timing and way this reveal happened. And so far, while the actual trailer might save it, the reveal in itself was. The most confusing one, in the middle of a direct, nothing just "Yeah, here you go, next fighter is ARMS, see you in june". It really felt so out of place for Nintendo and Smash Standard, alongside the long drought of now, almost three months, 6 if you decides to count starting Byleth's release.
I'm guessing that Sakurai talking about how he'll try to please fan with this new fighter pass did raise's peoples hope a bit too much that we would start big with a Fan Favorite, or anything, Only to get Sweeped by this announcement... Little to no positive reception for that, most of the people calling this boring, or at best lukewarm. Almost killing the "hype" in the speculation making it dormant until the next reveal, beside arguing which ARMS fighter it might be.

ARMS: The Make it or Break it of the Rules

However, the interesting bit of this, and what we can take from this announcement is also extremely interesting. As the ARMS fighter is possibly litterally either the seal dealer or seal breaker of multiples "Rules" or "Fan-Rules". Indeed, as the announcement showed up, the Fighter will be someone from the ARMS Roster, However, what is very interesting is the situation that most of the "Easily Guessable" characters from the franchises are in a weird spots.

Spring-Man: He's the poster boy of the game, "Protagonist" and if we follow everything so far, he would be the first character taken without any questions, however, he raises multiple issues, depending on what you believe, as he is an Assist Trophy, a Mii Costume AND A Spirit. Which would technically be a death sentence when it comes to characters. His inclusion would basically destroy all possible rules. Everything is possible.

Ribbon Girl: She's in the same spot as Spring-Man beside the Assist Trophy. She got a Mii Costume and a Spirit.

Min-Min, Twintelle , Ninjara: Those three are just spirits, but there obviously the two fan Favorites with Twintelle and especially Min-Min that everyone almost see as the defacto Choosen character, winning the final ARMS Crash tournament and exploding in popularity. This Character would also be the first time where the "Protagonist"/"Poster Boy" isn't the character introduced to Smash alongside breaking the Spirit rules.

In summary, If Any of those characters gets in, so many rules break, opening the speculation and can of jar, putting rules to sleeps, for better or for worst.
HOWEVER-

The Reasons of the Reveal? The Blindsided Surprise?

The more I think about it, the more I fail to understand why this reveal happened like that, but It also made me wonder what if it's exactly what they wanted? After all, this will be "A Fighter From ARMS". Which for me, eliminate all possibility of a Hero Situation.
But also, I'm starting to think that the whole goal of this reveal was to make people talk, and surprise them when the character itself drop. After all, remember when during the Byleth Reveal Sakurai warned us that "It will be very quick to figure out who it is?" before the trailer.
What if this time, it's the complete opposite, what if this time, the ARMS fighter won't be the obvious ones that peoples expect, Like Spring-Man or Min-Min...But someone completely out of there, to make the reveal more surprising and Impactful, even maybe play with it during the trailer itself, a la Terry Trailer, where in the end, the fighter is revealed?

That's when I started to think about ARMS, and look at the roster, wondering who could it be. And a peculiar choice made me raises my eyebrows when I realized that this character wasn't a Spirit Already and it's...

Max Brass: This might surprise everyone, but, I have a tiny feeling that maybe, the fighter might be him, Max Brass, the multiple titled ARMS Champs himself trying to find and raises new champions. What make me think that is honestly, mostly guts and there no "proof" or whatever. It's just that, when I think about him, I realize he's the kind of character that we never had in Smash (Just like all of the ARMS Cast but shh- lemme finish) by this, I mean, Imagine a bouncy heavyweight boxer, to be the opposite of Little Mac's Small light fast and nimble Boxing?

That is just my personal pick, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that it will be someone that we don't expect, maybe DR.Coyle? Or Helix? Who knows...I just feel that...The reveal to show someone who is obvious in the end after months makes me skepticals that it will be ones of the "fan favorites". And that they'll try to surprise us with this fighter

 

[MooMew64]

I mean, the only reason it would be disappointing is because people made assumptions and jumped to conclusions about what the outcome should be. If anything they may have just been trying to tamper people’s expectations after the Byleth backlash, which was also due to people’s assumptions and expectations. Nintendo apparently have to walk on egg shells with the Smash community

I'm not so sure it was because they were concerned about people in the hardcore community being mad, especially as Nintendo doesn't really care too much what we think about the characters. They kind of just do their own thing regardless of what other people think, which is why we ended up getting Byleth even after the Corrin salt from 2016.

I also think Nintendo knows that they can pretty much add anyone and 90% of the core crowd will buy it anyways because it's more Smash content.

 

[Speed Weed]

i have virtually zero editing skills so no fancy top 10 image for me. but here it is in text anyway:

1. Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)
2. Bomberman
3. Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasame Castle)
4. Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney
5. Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
6. Saki (Sin & Punishment)
7. Isaac (Golden Sun)
8. Axel (Streets of Rage)
9. Neku (The World Ends With You)
10. Alucard (Castlevania)

aaaaaaand there ya go.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

I'm not so sure it was because they were concerned about people in the hardcore community being mad, especially as Nintendo doesn't really care too much what we think about the characters. They kind of just do their own thing regardless of what other people think, which is why we ended up getting Byleth even after the Corrin salt from 2016.

I also think Nintendo knows that they can pretty much add anyone and 90% of the core crowd will buy it anyways because it's more Smash content.

Is that fair to say? Because yes, while we got Byleth, we also got Ridley, K Rool, Simon, and Banjo. To me that seems like they care at least a little bit. Especially when we live in such a social media driven world where it’s easy to see people’s approval or disappointment. As you said, people will buy it no matter what, but I think they at least wanted to tamper expectations for the large part of their fan base who were angry over Byleth

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Especially if it ends up bein' Spring Man. I mean, I'd still be excited 'cause all the ARMS cast is great, but to tease us with a guessing game and then say "lol nah it's the guy on the front of the box" would make the reveal decision even worse in hindsight IMO.

Considering the general consensus that Assist Trophies disconfirm I feel like people would be more surprised by the fact that it IS Spring Man and not someone not already represented.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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>stay tuned in for the live-streamed finals on Sunday

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

That they'll want us to watch people lie about how bad Smash's online is? You bet they will :V

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

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>stay tuned in for the live-streamed finals on Sunday

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

Is this a normal thing for them to say regarding these invitationals? It could just be them simply telling those interested to tune in

 

[Cosmic77]

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>stay tuned in for the live-streamed finals on Sunday

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

I think you might be suffering from Smash fever.

Historically, they never reveal anything notable at these. They may announce a date for a Smash presentation, but I don't think they'll do anything else. It's also on a Sunday, which is typically a day Nintendo doesn't announce new stuff.

They probably just want people to tune in, plain and simple.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

I think you might be suffering from Smash fever.

Historically, they never reveal anything notable at these. They may announce a date for a Smash presentation, but I don't think they'll do anything else. It's also on a Sunday, which is typically a day Nintendo doesn't announce new stuff.

They probably just want people to tune in, plain and simple.

To be fair, didn’t they announce the August 2018 Smash Direct at EVO that year? They announced that on a Sunday

 

[Heoj]

I mean, the only reason it would be disappointing is because people made assumptions and jumped to conclusions about what the outcome should be. If anything they may have just been trying to tamper people’s expectations after the Byleth backlash, which was also due to people’s assumptions and expectations. Nintendo apparently have to walk on egg shells with the Smash community

I dont really get this, i mean the way i see one of the reasons nintendo announced fp6 the way they did was to make us speculate and think of all of the possibilities, and thats where the spring man problem comes in for a lot of people, including me. If nintendo are going to announce that it could be anyone from arms, then of course people are going to think of the possibilities outside of spring man, because... well... a lot of people think spring man would be a bit on the boring side, and its completely okay to think so since again, nintendo pretty much wants us to go "yo what if its lola pop" or "byte and barq would be such a shock"
Thats why a lot of people(including me) think its not spring man for the simple reason that nintendo said it could be anyone, so for them to pick spring man would be boring in many peoples eyes since there are so many unique options


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>stay tuned in for the live-streamed finals on Sunday

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

Considering they gave us paper mario info ona friday of all days i think theres a slight chance they could announce a presentation there and then have it on the 16th.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Exactly compared to Fire Emblem which has eight characters.

Fire Emblem has hundreds of characters. 8 Fire Emblem characters is a fraction of a percent of all FE characters.

There's only 8 Fire starters. Having 3 Fire starters is 40% of all the Fire starters in existence.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

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>stay tuned in for the live-streamed finals on Sunday

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

well what do you want em to say? “don’t watch this cause it’s boring?”

 

[Nekoo]

well what do you want em to say? “don’t watch this cause it’s boring?”

I mean.
Honestly, I'd kill to watch them awkwardly explain Lags when it's just the online that ****ing suck again.

 

[Cosmic77]

To be fair, didn’t they announce the August 2018 Smash Direct at EVO that year? They announced that on a Sunday

I know, which is why I mentioned the possibility of the announcement of a Smash presentation with the real announcements.

I don't expect anything more than that. Sundays rarely have notable information revealed on that day, and online opens and tournaments have never casually dropped a new character (or anything really).

 

[MooMew64]

Considering the general consensus that Assist Trophies disconfirm I feel like people would be more surprised by the fact that it IS Spring Man and not someone not already represented.

Fair enough. Spring Man's inclusion would mean pretty much every single fan rule ever would be broken, so there would be some weight behind it.

Spring Man on the playable roster would really only leave us with the "Has to be a video game character" rule, and that's...quite interesting to think about.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

>stay tuned in for the live-streamed finals on Sunday

you think they’ll...? If they’re asking people to stay tuned?

im sorry if this mean, but honey, its not that deep. They are saying stay tuend for the finals

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There is an image of what seems to be a GameFaqs(?) DM from Vergeben to someone. Could be edited, though, I guess- something was blacked out, too, but probably personal or really private stuff. Felt like Vergeben’s wording though. I just remember seeing it in the Geno thread, and on 4chan since someone had a link to a post with it (I forgot whether the link was shared in this thread or another...).

Sabi created the Cease & Desist order document. He's fabricated things before. Sabi is also known for jumping the gun. The fact Verge still won't say anything just furthers shows he's not involved at all. It's not impossible either, but as I said, Sabi is the only who is claiming it because the real Verge has not spoken to confirm if he's lying or not.

At the very least was can confirm it was Sabi on Discord who said it(who had username of Sonic at the time for whatever reason). He spoke directly on that, so no issues there. But yeah, it shouldn't be treated like Verge is claiming anything right now.

 

[Wunderwaft]

My theory on why the ARMS character wasn't revealed is simply because the trailer wasn't finished by then. They could also miiiight be saving FP7 together with the ARMS character as a dual reveal. Either way I think the guessing game was made more from Nintendo not having enough material to showcase by then, and not because they wanted to intentionally leave the fandom in a mysterious loop.

That's my two cents anyways.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

My theory on why the ARMS character wasn't revealed is simply because the trailer wasn't finished by then. They could also miiiight be saving FP7 together with the ARMS character as a dual reveal. Either way I think the guessing game was made more from Nintendo not having enough material to showcase by then, and not because they wanted to intentionally leave the fandom in a mysterious loop.

That's my two cents anyways.

That's what I'm thinking and they decided to just tell what the franchise the next character is from so they don't keep us waiting.

 

[Cosmic77]

That's one thing I don't understand. They threw us a bone and gave us an idea of what to expect rather than keep us in the dark for roughly six months, but there are people who say that they shouldn't have said anything about ARMS if they weren't going to tell us who the character was.

I get that a lot of people have no intrest in ARMS whatsoever, but I don't understand how this is better than six months of blindly hyping up several characters who weren't F6

 

[Nekoo]

That's one thing I don't understand. They threw us a bone and gave us an idea of what to expect rather than keep us in the dark for roughly six months, but there are people who say that they shouldn't have said anything about ARMS if they weren't going to tell us who the character was.

I get that a lot of people have no intrest in ARMS whatsoever, but I don't understand how this is better than six months of blindly hyping up several characters who weren't F6

Because in the end, it doesn't change anything, they could have revealed the fighter back then, instead of making us wait, and just say "he'll release in June".
In both cases, we end up in the dark in a different manner.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

My theory on why the ARMS character wasn't revealed is simply because the trailer wasn't finished by then. They could also miiiight be saving FP7 together with the ARMS character as a dual reveal. Either way I think the guessing game was made more from Nintendo not having enough material to showcase by then, and not because they wanted to intentionally leave the fandom in a mysterious loop.

That's my two cents anyways.

The only reason a trailer would not be ready by the time of the mini Direct would be that Nintendo had an April Direct planned and (successfully) assumed it'd get cancelled like the June one due to the pandemic because I don't think they even had the stay-at-home order until a few days after that mini Direct dropped.

But given the mini Direct's disclaimer that the Direct was done before COVID got in the way, and that it says the reveal is meant to be June, what I said is highly questionable.

Either way, they had no stay-at-home at the time of the Direct, so if they had no trailer, they just never planned for one. That guessing game is intentional.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

My theory on why the ARMS character wasn't revealed is simply because the trailer wasn't finished by then. They could also miiiight be saving FP7 together with the ARMS character as a dual reveal. Either way I think the guessing game was made more from Nintendo not having enough material to showcase by then, and not because they wanted to intentionally leave the fandom in a mysterious loop.

That's my two cents anyways.

Especially since trailers are outsorced.

Covid might not have affected the fighter's development, but it could affect the trailer.

 

[zeldasmash]

My Top 10 Newcomers

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I'm a little torn on the ARMS announcement. I do think it was an effort to prepare people for another first party character and to retain some level of speculation at the same time. It might be that we're getting Spring Man and the Nintendo execs. weren't thinking about how anticlimactic the surprise would be. By playing the guess who game, Spring Man still gets to be a surprise, but not a good one for a lot of people. I don't even think the problem is that he's boring. He's not. It's more that Nintendo would have opened up the box for someone other than the poster boy and subsequently taped it back up. If it's not Spring Man, the guessing game will have been more palatable but some people will think the choice itself is bad because it isn't the poster boy.

Personally, I think it would have been worse for Nintendo to have not said anything, but they also could have not purposefully introduced the guessing game.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I personally get the feeling that the method of announcing ARMS in Smash is both a product of the circumstances, as well as a way to drum up more widespread discussion about ARMS in a way that allows it to return to the spotlight, in what is likely a "push" to help it succeed.

Beyond that, I think it also boils down to there being a pandemic and not having a trailer done in time.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

So I just watched Papagenos' latest video and it hits you immediately with "I know Sakurai doesn't really like people reading too much into his tweets for characters that might be coming to Smash, but the fact he's talking about the Mother series and we do have the missing Porky spirit is a little suspicious..."

This is why people make fun of Smash fan speculation.