Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Trevenant]

Seems chances are leaning the 16th rumor being perhaps true. Have to wait and see on Tuesday.

Must have misinterpreted rumour

 

[GoodGrief741]

How is a random flavour of the week (well, a few weeks ago) 4chan post which has no validity (outside of not being debunked) whatsoever being lent towards being real? So if I write a 4chan leak and it names a date which is after when everyone thought the reveal to take place but inevitably didn't, people will actually think my leak has a higher chance of being real over 50%. I never thought I'd have to say this but 4chan leaks are fun to tear through but don't blindly believe them just because they were an obviously fake flavour of the week leak

The 16th isn't from a 4chan leak, it's been rumored for months already. It's the anniversary of ARMS' release.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Claiming ARMS isn’t an actual fighting game but a tech demo is the dumbest argument I’ve read since someone argued that Ice Climber is more popular than SNK games.

D-did this really happen? Ice Climbers has to be one of the worst games with a playable character in Smash.

Lloyd and Heihachi would make sense as E3 type reveals had E3 still been a thing.

I’d say Heihachi would be since Tekken is huge in the US, but I think they’d save Lloyd for a normal direct like they did with Terry.

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

I wasn’t around for the Brawl hype days. So for me it’s

 

[Trevenant]

The 16th isn't from a 4chan leak, it's been rumored for months already. It's the anniversary of ARMS' release.

The person was talking about that leak which said all alts would have different characters iirc

 

[ZelDan]

My most hype characters all came from Smash 4

 

[Rie Sonomura]

The person was talking about that leak which said all alts would have different characters iirc

I feel like the leak just used the anniversary to make it more “believable”

I mean we could get the arms reveal on the 16th but the alts bit could be totally false

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The person was talking about that leak which said all alts would have different characters iirc

Even so, that's still not an idea that originated a few weeks ago, or from a leak for that matter.

 

[Opossum]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

Chrom, easily. It's not even comparable for me.

 

[Trevenant]

Even so, that's still not an idea that originated a few weeks ago, or from a leak for that matter.

My bad. When they said rumour I thought they meant that leak. I've been seeing tonnes of people discuss it for some reason. And I think everyone should be aware that basically any date including the 16th in June else even I'll have to admit there will be something wrong lol.

 

[osby]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

It would be Sonic if I was around for Brawl speculation but it's Joker for me.

Funny how a character most people didn't even consider before his reveal arguably got one of the most positive receptions among all the other DLC characters.

 

[Opossum]

Which is how genres work. When you have specific elements from a genre, you are labeled part of that genre. Including officially. It's a sports game specifically. With fighting game elements and puzzle game elements. It's no different from calling it a puzzle game as well. In the end, the core genre is sports. People still don't properly acknowledge that despite being more accurate than fighting.

This is no different from the Zelda games being labeled rpg's when they have just as many rpg elements as Punch-Out!! has fighting game elements. That's why people will continue to label it a fighting game, as it has outright elements of a fighting game. It's meant to literally be one-on-one fights between two people throwing punches. Boxing is a fighting-based sport to begin with. Martial Arts fall under sports at times too, but are still a form of fighting as well. It's no different.

Games can be multiple genres at once. It's completely reasonable to say it's a fighting game because it properly falls under that genre in the end. It's not strange at all. Now, the strange part is ignoring it's a sports game in itself. People tend to forget that's the core thing.

Punch-Out!! is a single player game where players can only play as a single character in what amounts to a boss rush. The only things shared with fighting games are melee combat and the presence of a timer, the latter of which most games in general had.

Punch-Out!! is a fighting game the same way that Mega Man is a third person shooter: as in, it isn't one. Those genres have specific conventions that these games lack. Being able to shoot in a third person perspective doesn't make Mega Man a third person shooter. It's nothing like Splatoon (a multiplayer third person shooter) or Uncharted (a single player third person shooter). It's an action platformer.

People are allowed to call Punch-Out!! a fighting game, but they're also allowed to be called wrong for doing so. And they are.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Chrom, easily. It's not even comparable for me.

Your hype was so high that it couldn't be expressed through one measly post.

 

[RileyXY1]

Punch-Out!! is a single player game where players can only play as a single character in what amounts to a boss rush. The only things shared with fighting games are melee combat and the presence of a timer, the latter of which most games in general had.

Punch-Out!! is a fighting game the same way that Mega Man is a third person shooter: as in, it isn't one. Those genres have specific conventions that these games lack. Being able to shoot in a third person perspective doesn't make Mega Man a third person shooter. It's nothing like Splatoon (a multiplayer third person shooter) or Uncharted (a single player third person shooter). It's an action platformer.

People are allowed to call Punch-Out!! a fighting game, but they're also allowed to be called wrong for doing so. And they are.

That's also mostly true for the OG Street Fighter, as well as many early fighting games.

 

[3BitSaurus]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

For me it's , followed closely by and .

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Punch-Out!! is a fighting game the same way that Mega Man is a third person shooter: as in, it isn't one.

Well it is, but that part of it is still stuck on the moon.

 

[SNEKeater]

Exactly!
A game doesn't have to be fun, it has to be entertaining. I don't know if I'm using the correct words because english is not my first language, but in my mind they have a slightly different meaning. A fun game is surely entertaining, but there are a lot of entertaining games that are not fun.
An example can be To the Moon: it is not a fun game, but it entertains you and it's a masterpiece in its semplicity.
Or Death Stranding: "fun" is not a word I would use to describe the game, but the great settings and storytelling and the unusual but interesting gameplay are entertaining for the player.

I completely agree with you. I really think people isn't using the right words for this matter. If a game doesn't entertain you that's probably a bad sign, either the game isn't good or you're not enjoying it for different reasons.

Death Stranding is a perfect example of that, now that you mention it. People frequently mocked and bashed the game and most of the complains were basically because it was almost like doing that was the trend and the cool thing. Some were toxic just because it was a game made by Kojima, others did it because console wars, others because they disliked a certain actor involved in the game, and so on.

But very few of them actually took time to inform and investigate themselves about the game and how it works. That game is the perfect example of an entertaining game that isn't fun. Some folks said that the game was "barely a game, but more like a movie" and **** like that, but damn, I can't name a lot of games that demanded me more attention and more interaction with the controller all the time than Death Stranding. You're constantly pressing, touching and even moving your controller when travelling. The premise is simple and I won't deny that could look somewhat stupid, but works really well and if the game catches your interest (because the game is certainly not for everyone, even if this sounds like a cliche), it's almost addictive.

Ironically, people usually demands creativity and new things to AAA projects, but then Death Stranding happened and that same people were complaining about the game because they "didn't understand what Death Stranding is about". Of course, most of them didn't even played the game.

So yeah, a game doesn't have to be fun in order to be a good game. That's not a requisite, and a game not being fun isn't bad at all, because maybe it's just me, but there aren't a lot of games I could name where I had a legit feeling of fun while playing. Like, I have played a lot of RPG or action/adventure games, and I was for sure entertained most of times, but having fun? That's a completely different thing.
I guess fun could be more associated to "non-realistic" games, such as platformers? I guess so.

 

[Opossum]

Your hype was so high that it couldn't be expressed through one measly post.

Hype so strong it overloaded the servers and posted it twice. :V

 

[Deleted member]

My most hype characters were , , , , , and

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

Coming from someone who's only followed Smash prerelease since 3DS/Wii U, I'd say my personal top 3 consists of ,(mostly due to the reveal of Ultimate itself), and

Honorable mentions to ,, and

 

[Mr. Robotto]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

Easily , , , and

These characters were the only ones that were able to make me jump from my chair.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I completely agree with you. I really think people isn't using the right words for this matter. If a game doesn't entertain you that's probably a bad sign, either the game isn't good or you're not enjoying it for different reasons.

Death Stranding is a perfect example of that, now that you mention it. People frequently mocked and bashed the game and most of the complains were basically because it was almost like doing that was the trend and the cool thing. Some were toxic just because it was a game made by Kojima, others did it because console wars, others because they disliked a certain actor involved in the game, and so on.

But very few of them actually took time to inform and investigate themselves about the game and how it works. That game is the perfect example of an entertaining game that isn't fun. Some folks said that the game was "barely a game, but more like a movie" and **** like that, but damn, I can't name a lot of games that demanded me more attention and more interaction with the controller all the time than Death Stranding. You're constantly pressing, touching and even moving your controller when travelling. The premise is simple and I won't deny that could look somewhat stupid, but works really well and if the game catches your interest (because the game is certainly not for everyone, even if this sounds like a cliche), it's almost addictive.

Ironically, people usually demands creativity and new things to AAA projects, but then Death Stranding happened and that same people were complaining about the game because they "didn't understand what Death Stranding is about". Of course, most of them didn't even played the game.

So yeah, a game doesn't have to be fun in order to be a good game. That's not a requisite, and a game not being fun isn't bad at all, because maybe it's just me, but there aren't a lot of games I could name where I had a legit feeling of fun while playing. Like, I have played a lot of RPG or action/adventure games, and I was for sure entertained most of times, but having fun? That's a completely different thing.
I guess fun could be more associated to "non-realistic" games, such as platformers? I guess so.

I've always heard Death Stranding being described as not a game, but an experience.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

For me? Oddly enough

I never would have thought of that mechanic and I love the choices ( is awesome, and I really started to like as a Pokémon because of him). Even during the "Everyone is Here" trailer, was the character that was most on my mind afterwards.

Also and trailers and the announcement (since I was relatively unimpressed with Sm4sh's roster)

...funny, I've never been huge on guest characters unless it's a character that I already liked from outside. I guess that's another difference in how people take third parties - some people like to be introduced to new things, but some want the connection beforehand. It's why in Brawl, I thought was a great addition, but I had no clue who was.

I'm not anti third parties, it's just that when I get interested in a series because of a guest character, it's more the other way around. I still don't really care much about the third party universes in Smash that I never had connection to, but there are games where I've had a ggreat connection to the guest and that got me into the main series. Case in point: Soul Calibur. I wouldn't even have given that a second look if they didn't have Link in SCII, and now it's one of my favorite fighting games.

 

[Enigma735]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

Brawl:
Sm4sh:
Ultimate:

 

[Rie Sonomura]

NintendoVS just tweeted about the Splatoon 2 tournament. NOA may retweet it soon

if there was ever a time to build up to big reveals, this is it

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think that the reveal will be on the 16th. Anniversaries mean nothing when it comes to reveals now.

 

[GoodGrief741]

You know, maybe I'm just weird, but I'm currently playing through Death Stranding and I'm having a huge amount of fun with it. I don't think I've ever played a game where you had to be as constantly engaged as in this one, even walking is something that you're constantly thinking about and strategizing. You can't really zone out and stop paying attention, unless you're driving down a road on your truck, and even then if you've got roads, you've earned that relaxation. There's a really strong satisfaction about doing a run where things go off without a hitch, where you've planned so well that nothing eventful happens.

Punch-Out!! is a single player game where players can only play as a single character in what amounts to a boss rush. The only things shared with fighting games are melee combat and the presence of a timer, the latter of which most games in general had.

Punch-Out!! is a fighting game the same way that Mega Man is a third person shooter: as in, it isn't one. Those genres have specific conventions that these games lack. Being able to shoot in a third person perspective doesn't make Mega Man a third person shooter. It's nothing like Splatoon (a multiplayer third person shooter) or Uncharted (a single player third person shooter). It's an action platformer.

People are allowed to call Punch-Out!! a fighting game, but they're also allowed to be called wrong for doing so. And they are.

I really want to start calling Mega Man a third person shooter just to see how people react, because I'd never made that connection and my mind is blown.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't think that the reveal will be on the 16th. Anniversaries mean nothing when it comes to reveals now.

This could be another occasional case like howwas.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't think that the reveal will be on the 16th. Anniversaries mean nothing when it comes to reveals now.

Well it's today or bust, and it's looking like a bust, so if it is next week, I wouldn't be surprised if it was next Tuesday, especially if they're doing something more with the ARMS franchise.

Realistically though I see it happening on the 23rd or 26th.

 

[RileyXY1]

This could be another occasional case like howwas.

Smash 4 did most of its reveals on either anniversaries in their franchise or a new game release, minus E3 reveals.

 

[Megadoomer]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

If we're going for the hypest reveal on a personal level, for me, it would have to be

I don't quite remember how I reacted to Brawl's initial reveal - I had really wanted Meta Knight and Wario to get into Smash, but I guess I figured they'd be included eventually. The fact that Nintendo was including third party characters was cool, but I didn't really know who Snake was (his reveal encouraged me to try Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes), and with Snake being in the game, it seemed really obvious that we'd get Sonic at some point.

Mega Man was kind of in the same boat, where he had a great reveal, but his inclusion almost seemed like a given. In contrast, I honestly thought that Banjo, Kazooie, and Bayonetta would never make it in, even though they were some of my most wanted, so seeing them make it in (with Bayo being the grand finale of Smash 4, and Banjo getting this amazing CGI trailer) was a huge surprise for me and incredibly exciting in a way that's almost impossible to describe. Ridley had nowhere near the amount of barriers in his way as those two, but Sakurai seemed pretty adamant that they couldn't make Ridley playable while still making him feel like Ridley.

As a side note, K. Rool probably would have made it on the list, but after Ridley's reveal, K. Rool seemed a lot more likely - it didn't seem as hopeless as it did with Ridley, Bayonetta, or Banjo-Kazooie. As for Snake and Cloud, I wasn't as familiar with them at the time, so while I thought they were cool inclusions, and I was excited to see them in the game, I didn't fully grasp the significance or feel the excitement like others did.

 

[SNEKeater]

I've always heard Death Stranding being described as not a game, but an experience.

Yeah, that's also a fine way to describe it.
The "multiplayer" thing that the game has helps to reinforce that definition as well. You can play without being connected, of course, and even if you're connected you can decide not to use anything related to the multiplayer aspect of the game, but I think doing that means losing a good part of the experience.

Is somewhat similar to Journey in that regard, for anyone who has played Journey. You don't physically see other people in Death Stranding, but people can help each other in multiple ways: messages, signals, vehicles, equipment, gadgets, etc. It's like you're constantly surrounded by the ghosts of other players and their actions, you can 'feel' them through your journey.
I, a lot of times, decided to left or builld a ladder, a tower or anything in multiple places despite that I didn't need it for travellings, but I did that hoping other it could help other players. Obviously, I wasn't the only one, because I was frequently helped by others. After all it's a game about connections.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

and seeing return in Smash 4. was also a nice surprise.

I don't remember having much of a reaction to newcomers during base game smash 4 and the Brawl days.

 

[toonito]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

Those 3 are probably the hypest reveals overall

for me personally

my most hype reveals

 

[Icedragonadam]

So I assume everyone here saw that "Vergeben" DM.?

And I guess the consesus is that someone used Inspect element to bait people?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So I assume everyone here saw that "Vergeben" DM.?

And I guess the consesus is that someone used Inspect element to bait people?

It seems very inspect element-y yes

 

[RileyXY1]

So I assume everyone here saw that "Vergeben" DM.?

And I guess the consesus is that someone used Inspect element to bait people?

Yeah. Much of it was common leakbait.

 

[SnowClaws]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where the first AT promotion ends up being Midna?

Great, if they indeed go with her other appearance, and yes, I believe there would be some spoilers no matter who shows up in Fighter Pass 2.

Also, this was in the news the other days.

Spoiler: Two days ago

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So I assume everyone here saw that "Vergeben" DM.?

And I guess the consesus is that someone used Inspect element to bait people?

Considering literally everything except MK9 on that list has been leaked to hell and back before while Sabi's got history with lying about being contacted by Verge about this stuff

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Hey guys the PS5 event is about to go live if you can keep all discussion on it in THE SOCIAL THREAD as to not clog this one up. THANKS!

 

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