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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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RileyXY1

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We'd have too Crashes lol. Or a Rhythm character too. Either way I'd be extremely satisfied.

The thing is though, didn't they remove a couple ATs with 2D sprite presence? Advance Wars, Lakitu and Spikies, Excitebiker still wasn't there?
Yes. All 2D ATs don't exist in Ultimate anymore. Here's a full list of ATs that were removed from Ultimate (not counting ATs that became playable).

In Both Brawl and Smash 4:
Tingle
Saki Amamiya
Kat & Ana
Infantry & Tanks
Lakitu

In Just Brawl:
Jill
Ray Mk III
Barbara the Bat
Mr. Resetti
Excitebikes
Helirin

In Just Smash 4:
Magnus
Elec Man
 
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Yes. All 2D ATs don't exist in Ultimate anymore. Here's a full list of ATs that were removed from Ultimate (not counting ATs that became playable).

In Both Brawl and Smash 4:
Tingle
Saki Amamiya
Kat & Ana
Infantry & Tanks
Lakitu

In Just Brawl:
Jill
Ray Mk III
Barbara the Bat
Mr. Resetti
Excitebikes
Helirin

In Just Smash 4:
Magnus
Elec Man
I miss the Elec Man assist trophy, ngl.
 

andree123

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Yes. All 2D ATs don't exist in Ultimate anymore. Here's a full list of ATs that were removed from Ultimate (not counting ATs that became playable).

In Both Brawl and Smash 4:
Tingle
Saki Amamiya
Kat & Ana
Infantry & Tanks
Lakitu

In Just Brawl:
Jill
Ray Mk III
Barbara the Bat
Mr. Resetti
Excitebikes
Helirin

In Just Smash 4:
Magnus
Elec Man
I don't know why they cut Magnus just for a spirit instead, it seems so strange.
 

ThoughtfulWanderer

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I miss the Elec Man assist trophy, ngl.
Same. Personal favorite robot master of the original series and was so shocked (pun wasn't intended before typing I swear) to see him of all possible characters chosen for an AT, making it in before the likes of Zero and Wily!
 

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How would you feel if we entered a timeline where these are the first four Fighter Pass characters....
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And your most wanted took the last spot?
These 4 plus Porky? Ya, sure, I’d take it. Even if some of the choices would be underwhelming for me personally.
 

YsDisciple

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How would you feel if we entered a timeline where these are the first four Fighter Pass characters....
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And your most wanted took the last spot?
Oof... and my most wanted? Hmm... though right now my most wanted (certainly pipe-dream) would be Goemon, I'd be fine and fully supportive if the last spot goes to either Doom Slayer (in representation of a new Company being on board, and of the FPS genre), Heihachi Mishima (being the 2nd Bandai-Namco rep, as well as a fighting game villain; also would hope they use the Tekken Tag Tournament intro theme for the reveal trailer), or Dante (being sort of like Ultimate's Bayonetta; not in play-style though). Sorry for the long sentence. If this were to play out, this Fighters Pass would have concluded as a GALACTIC play from Sakurai and Co.'s hands. :2gud: (Galactic Plus Ultra if it does end up being Doom Slayer imo).
 

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I'm not going to say much on the SNK reps for Smash other than thinking that it would be between Terry, Kyo or Nakoruru as my choices.

Anyways, do you guys think that the Hero will release in either July or August?
 

tenworldsguy

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I'm not sure if this question was already answered but how would feel if a sony rep(Kratos,Sackboy, Aloy etc.) join as the 5th fighter's pass character(I know it's not gonna happen but still I'm just questioning)
I know it's not gonna happen but I would love to see Sly Cooper/Ratchet n Clank in as DLC. Those games were a big part of my childhood, and even though their series aren't doing so swell nowadays from what I know it would be nice to have em in. Shame that Joker kinda takes up the "Playstation Rep" to himself (even if I was overjoyed at Joker).

How would you feel if we entered a timeline where these are the first four Fighter Pass characters....
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And your most wanted took the last spot?
Ngl
Having 2 JPRG characters and 2 platformer characters feels really dull
Maybe it's because i never played Crash but he fills a really similar role to Banjo should they add him (90's platformer animal mascot beloved by millenials), wheras Joker and Hero pander to completely seperate fangroups

my terrible hot takes, again
 
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beloved by millenials
beloved by millenials
beloved by millenials
beloved by millenials
belloved by millenials
...That word will never stop haunting me, isn’t it?


Outside of that, it’s fair if you don’t like Crash,
 

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Not to downplay the cultural significance of any of these characters, but most of this SNK rep discussion has flown right over my head because I didn't know who most of these characters were until people started discussing them in this thread. Though to be fair, that could be because a lot of SNK's stuff was before my time, so take that as you will
 
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Not to downplay the cultural significance of any of these characters, but most of this SNK rep discussion has flown right over my head because I didn't know who most of these characters were until people started discussing them in this thread. Though to be fair, that could be because a lot of SNK's stuff was before my time, so take that as you will
I honestly don’t mind it when people talk about picks I don’t know at all.

Mostly because Smash has got me invested on some franchises in the past, with the most recent being Persona.

So stuff like that is always welcomed from my part.
 

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I honestly don’t mind it when people talk about picks I don’t know at all.

Mostly because Smash has got me invested on some franchises in the past, with the most recent being Persona.

So stuff like that is always welcomed from my part.
Oh I definitely don't mind at all. I just think it's interesting seeing people discuss something outside the usual big names in Smash speculation, even if I can't personally contribute much to the conversation. I didn't even know who Erdrick was until he started popping up in rumors, and it led to me wanting to try out Dragon Quest, so this kind of stuff is great for lesser known series
 

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I honestly don’t mind it when people talk about picks I don’t know at all.

Mostly because Smash has got me invested on some franchises in the past, with the most recent being Persona.

So stuff like that is always welcomed from my part.
Yeah, I get that. As a kid, I didn't know who Ness was. I had never played F-Zero, Punch-Out, Bayonetta and a few others before I saw them in Smash. Plus the franchises that don't get in, but are heavily speculated, like Ninja Gaiden. Smash acts like a big shop window for games sometimes.

I've also never played Dragon Quest - it's arguably one of the last "classic" JRPG series I haven't played yet. I may try out XI soon, because of how much I've warmed up to the universe over the past few months of speculation.
 
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Yeah, Smash is a wonderful way to introduce players into new franchises.

I find that as part of the series’ charm honestly.
 

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How would you feel if we entered a timeline where these are the first four Fighter Pass characters....
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And your most wanted took the last spot?
I forgive Joker 1000000000000 times over, also Companion/Color Theories would be confirmed and Mii Costume Theory would take a hike.

At this point, Arle and Crash are my 1 and 2, respectively, so I'd have a weak start and an amazingly awesome finish.
 

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Yeah, Smash is a wonderful way to introduce players into new franchises.

I find that as part of the series’ charm honestly.
This is the reason I want Phoenix Wright, I want more people to play Ace Attorney, the franchise haven't reached its full potential because people aren't that attracted to VNs.
Smash is the perfect opportunity to help the series grow, specially here in the west (Just like Dragon Quest).
 
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This is the reason I want Phoenix Wright, I want more people to play Ace Attorney, the franchise haven't reached its full potential because people aren't that attracted to VNs.
Smash is the perfect opportunity to help the series grow, specially here in the west (Just like Dragon Quest).
Oh yeah, Wright would rock.

I may want Layton more, but Wright would also feel amazing.
 

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Scoliosis Jones Scoliosis Jones Thank you. I did spoiler code your post and we appreciate you asking.

It's good to care about other users. Let me say this as someone who is the Queen of Giant Posts herself; they aren't too fun to read if you aren't too careful with them. Being big doesn't make them better either. What's important is that you split them carefully. You don't need to write an essay here either(not to say they aren't valid points at all, of course. We appreciate it when people try to provide thoughtful and constructive posts), but sometimes you have a lot to write. Spoiler coding is a nice courtesy to all. If I could go back to all old posts that were mega huge and spoiler mark mine, I would, but that's unfeasible.
 

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This is the reason I want Phoenix Wright, I want more people to play Ace Attorney, the franchise haven't reached its full potential because people aren't that attracted to VNs.
Smash is the perfect opportunity to help the series grow, specially here in the west (Just like Dragon Quest).
This is honestly one of the things that make me even happier about Banjo. Knowing an entirely new generation might get exposed to the old games feels really heartwarming. I said Smash was like a shop window, but it's sometimes also a time machine for immortalizing franchises currently in limbo. I think fans of Earthbound, Pac-Man and Castlevania must have felt something similar.
 

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You have no right to act so snarky when you think that Xbox and Halo even matter in Japan, or Asia. Where the best selling game in the franchise (Halo 3 at 12 million) barely sold over 130,000 copies in Japan.

Mai is significantly more popular in Asia than Chief is, yes, and Doomguy. By a long shot.


Because as had been said multiple times now, Mai is SNK’s most popular character, and company mascot.


Citation needed. All evidence points to the contrary when Mai is often picked first to appear in all crossovers.



Considering how popular the character is BECAUSE of her design, I’m gonna go ahead that it’s just your opinion the design is “bad.”

See, don’t let your puritanism cloud your judgement over what is good or not, or how good a character’s chances are. This is literally the Bayonetta argument all over again.




She is the mascot, and had been toned down for western appearances before. And that’s assuming she’d need anything else beyond a covered up cleavage and wider underwear. You look at Lyn, and both her and Mai show equal amounts of leg.
That particular post was just me saying that I like the idea of Mai being in Smash. I've made no attempt to create an argument for her inclusion because I don't think a very good one can be made.
As for the prude part; A number of posts have smacked of "Pyra-shaming" as one poster so eloquently put it.

Again, I think her design is clearly too revealing for Smash, but some posts have made it rather apparent that they dislike the character because of her provocative nature. They are free to think whatever they wish, but I find that sentiment very unfortunate.
I don't want to be rude, but I think you should stop repeatedly presenting Mai to this thread. Only a handful of people on this thread are really considering Mai. This is coming from the same guy who tried to represent a revamped Google Theory and got mostly ignored. Aside of Terry, I would recognize Mai over any other SNK character.

{EDIT} SORRY! I think I had Mia Fey on the brain when I wrote that!
 
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I don't want to be rude, but I think you should stop repeatedly presenting Mai to this thread. Only a handful of people on this thread are really considering Mia. This is coming from the same guy who tried to represent a revamped Google Theory and got mostly ignored. Aside of Terry, I would recognize Mia over any other SNK character.
I agree with your point, but misspelling it as Mia twice probably doesn't help. XD

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But yeah, let's be courteous and not overpush an argument. It's pretty safe to say a lot of people are really tired of the Mai argument to begin with. So let's move on, please. :)
 

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So anyway uhhh

Has that niconico test guy said anything lately? I can’t seem to find his twitter anymore
 

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He was one of the twitter users who said that the Hero won't have any female alts and a female weapon throwing character would be a DLC playable in the game.
What was his twitter handle again? I seem to have forgotten
 

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I'm hoping one of the fighters from the pass is from a more obscure 3rdparty franchise like God Eater, Valkyria Chronicles, Darkstalkers, Okami or even an indie character like Hollow Knight or Quote.

I'm a sucker for obscure IPs in smash, a lot of people don't realize how unique some of the obscure IPs are.
 

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He was one of the twitter users who said that the Hero won't have any female alts and a female weapon throwing character would be a DLC playable in the game.
I know we're trying to get away Mai, but doesn't she have fans that she throws over?
I'm hoping one of the fighters from the pass is from a more obscure 3rdparty franchise like God Eater, Valkyria Chronicles, Darkstalkers, Okami or even an indie character like Hollow Knight or Quote.
If we were to get an Indie rep, I think it should be Quote as it was Cave Story that got indie games on the map.
 
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I'm hoping one of the fighters from the pass is from a more obscure 3rdparty franchise like God Eater, Valkyria Chronicles, Darkstalkers, Okami or even an indie character like Hollow Knight or Quote.

I'm a sucker for obscure IPs in smash, a lot of people don't realize how unique some of the obscure IPs are.
I won't lie; I'd love Morrigan Aensland in. I doubt she has a chance, but eh.

I've wanted many characters who were obscure before, though the most notorious for me is Brian(Quest 64). Though I can't think of any who are currently obscure beyond that's on my list... I wouldn't even put Geno in that area anymore. He's a lot more known these days than he used to be, especially with SMRPG worldwide.
 

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I know we're trying to get away Mai, but doesn't she have fans that she throws over?

If we were to get an Indie rep, I think it should be Quote as it was Cave Story that got indie games on the map.
According to another member’s more precise translation (since OP isn’t very good at English) it could be any projectile in general. Including guns or missile launchers
 

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According to another member’s more precise translation (since OP isn’t very good at English) it could be any projectile in general. Including guns or missile launchers
How do we know the character Team NepDon mentioned is female? I don't understand where that came from.
 

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How do we know the character Team NepDon mentioned is female? I don't understand where that came from.
It’s a while back but there was a compilation that said the next character would be female, and that she looked like she would fit right in in a fighting game. She’s supposed to be the next character, and the final pass character according to NepDon’s source has “(already appeared)” next to it, possibly hinting at a Spirit promotion.

If anyone can find that compilation of tweets again I’ll break it down
 

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According to another member’s more precise translation (since OP isn’t very good at English) it could be any projectile in general. Including guns or missile launchers
There was a problem fetching the tweet
He mentioned that the female character holds a weapon that is like a hammer or a boomerang, not a kind of firearm.
 

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He mentioned that the female character holds a weapon that is like a hammer or a boomerang, not a kind of firearm.
He later said he has no idea what kind of flying weapon it is. “I can’t guess.” And the kanji in that post translates to something different from a boomerang
 
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It’s a while back but there was a compilation that said the next character would be female, and that she looked like she would fit right in in a fighting game. She’s supposed to be the next character, and the final pass character according to NepDon’s source has “(already appeared)” next to it, possibly hinting at a Spirit promotion.

If anyone can find that compilation of tweets again I’ll break it down
Thanks.
Wait a minute... A Spirit promotion would mean that a first-party character would be on the Fighters' Pass, right?
 
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