Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Playstation Guy 1000]

time for my 3rd quetion
how would you feel if the 4th fighters pass character is from a obscure(Ace Attorney, Yo-kai Watch, The King of Fighters, Tales of, Katamari Damacy, and maybe even Fate/stay night) to niche franchise(Hyperdimension Neptunia, Touhou Project, Senran Kagura, The Idolmaster etc) to promote(getting people into a franchise)that said franchise(similar to getting people into the dragon quest franchise)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well...There was also Playstation All Stars: Battle Royale.

I own the game but didn't start it up yet. I only remember "use special moves to finish off an opponent" thing, something Dissidia also did, unfortunately. Is the game played in 2D or 3D?

I think a better way to implement Tekken gameplay into Smash would be to go for it's feel.

Not sure which game they would base the character off of since the only Tekken game that was on a Nintendo console was Tekken Tag Tournament.

I agree. I mean, you can't do a 3D feel, but you can certainly do something.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I already asked this on the social thread a few days ago. Figured I'd also ask this here but what do you guys think of the possibility of a final bonus character rather then a second season pass?

We got a extra bonus character in the beginning. I don't think its too much of a stretch to see an extra last one after the fifth and final character in the pass.

Among those I could see it being are Waluigi (Upgraded from Assist), Geno or Dixie Kong (Imagine her trailer reveal being the final in the trilogy ofandwith those two chilling withandin Donkey Kong's house).

Geno I would fit perfectly as the last bonus surprise reveal given his demand and support as well as Sakurai having wanted him in Brawl.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

They could just port Smash Ultimate with all DLC, add 10 new characters/stages, launch it with the Super Switch, and it would hit 10 million sales easily.

There's no stopping this train.

ultimate is pretty much everything I ever wanted from a smash game, I would love for them to just keep updating/porting it. Although renegotiating every 3rd party again for a new port sounds like a pain, which is why it probably won’t happen.

it’s likely they’ll make another smash, but they’re going to have to walk a thin line of making it distinctive enough from ultimate while at the same time not alienating the fans. That’s going to be a difficult task, I do wonder what their solution will be in the next 5+ years.

 

[StormC]

I already asked this on the social thread a few days ago. Figured I'd also ask this here but what do you guys think of the possibility of a final bonus character rather then a second season pass?

We got a extra bonus character in the beginning. I don't think its too much of a stretch to see an extra last one after the fifth and final character in the pass.

Among those I could see it being are Waluigi (Upgraded from Assist), Geno or Dixie Kong (Imagine her trailer reveal being the final in the trilogy ofandwith those two chilling withandin Donkey Kong's house).

Geno I would fit perfectly as the last bonus surprise reveal given his demand and support as well as Sakurai having wanted him in Brawl.

It's definitely possible, but I wouldn't expect it. The fact that they said "February 2020" tells me pretty clearly that is in their mind, the end of DLC.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Well...There was also Playstation All Stars: Battle Royale.


I think a better way to implement Tekken gameplay into Smash would be to go for it's feel.

Not sure which game they would base the character off of since the only Tekken game that was on a Nintendo console was Tekken Tag Tournament.

Cries in Tekken Advance and Tekken 3D Prime.

 

[N3ON]

I already asked this on the social thread a few days ago. Figured I'd also ask this here but what do you guys think of the possibility of a final bonus character rather then a second season pass?

We got a extra bonus character in the beginning. I don't think its too much of a stretch to see an extra last one after the fifth and final character in the pass.

Among those I could see it being are Waluigi (Upgraded from Assist), Geno or Dixie Kong (Imagine her trailer reveal being the final in the trilogy ofandwith those two chilling withandin Donkey Kong's house).

Geno I would fit perfectly as the last bonus surprise reveal given his demand and support as well as Sakurai having wanted him in Brawl.

While the fans would like it, I have to imagine Nintendo internally would be more along the lines of:

Bonus offers like Piranha Plant and Mewtwo are much more useful when you can still strike while the iron is hot. That's why they're at the beginning. With that in mind, a single character being the incentive to deviate from the plan doesn't seem like something Nintendo would value enough to authorize, except maybe on the grounds of self-promotion. But then you'd basically eliminate most of the fanbase-backed characters.

 

[Nquoid]

It is though, The Tetris Company is notoriously strict with their licensing.

Aren't they just sticklers for the way the game is presented? I'm sure you're right. But you also don't get 60 different versions of your game from multiple companies with different play styles if you're that hard to work with.

I'm sure full licensing would cost a bomb and they probably wouldn't want to be just a passing reference. But Tetris 99 and Tetris Effect show that they're open to experimenting.

 

[KatKit]

Anyway the best KOF rep would be King.

COME ON, BABY.

She seriously had one of the best sounding gratuitous English in any fighting game. I like her look, voice, Muay Thai fighting style, and pretty much everything (and dressed up Asuka to look like her in Tekken Tag Tournament 2). I think the 'too promiscuous for Smash' argument is silly, but I can't deny that out of all of the KoF reps, King oozes charisma. In short: too sexy for Smash. Sorry, kids.

How have I not seen it before? It just hit me. What new Zelda rep with a consistent design that's appeared in multiple games be a newcomer for Smash Bros.? It's so obvious. The answer...is Dampe.

It isn't often I see the creation of a new fandom (even though it probably already exists). Congratulations, you have no idea what you've awakened in some people.

I'm hoping one of the fighters from the pass is from a more obscure 3rdparty franchise like God Eater, Valkyria Chronicles, Darkstalkers, Okami or even an indie character like Hollow Knight or Quote.

I'm a sucker for obscure IPs in smash, a lot of people don't realize how unique some of the obscure IPs are.

Same.

Although P5 is popular/successful (justifiably so), Joker was still a pretty out there decision, and I love it (and pipe dream or not, I hope we get something like him again in the form of 2B). People complain about sword users, but I think it's a shame that Smash doesn't have THE quintessential example of the archetype: Adol from Ys. A Guilty Gear, Blazblue, or other ArcSys rep would be cool because of their impact on fighting games.

And don't stop there, there's a lot of obscure 1st party IPs, too. Imagine Ashley Suzuki Robbins from Trace Memory (AKA Another Code) or Kyle Hyde from Hotel Dusk: Room 215/Last Window. Maybe Last Story? Famicom Detective Club is relatively popular on this site, but it's definitely more obscure worldwide than say... Okami.

And Style Savvy goes without saying. I will shamelessly promote that until they're in.

In retrospect, a lot of GBA and DS era games were suspiciously shafted.

I own the game but didn't start it up yet. I only remember "use special moves to finish off an opponent" thing, something Dissidia also did, unfortunately. Is the game played in 2D or 3D?
.

PlayStation All-stars is a 2D platform fighter. Falling off the stage doesn't matter, but you will lose super meter (which is required if you want to try to land a KO). Its combo system is neat (it's close to a traditional fighter, but with Smash inputs).

Overall, it's an okay game (albeit barebones), but it is no Smash. With that being said, Kat is very fun to use at least (seriously, no bias; ignore my username/set lol). Gameplay wise, the other characters weren't nearly as fun; manipulating gravity in a fighting game is as bonkers as it sounds.

 

[osby]

time for my 3rd quetion
how would you feel if the 4th fighters pass character is from a obscure(Ace Attorney, Yo-kai Watch, The King of Fighters, Tales of, Katamari Damacy, and maybe even Fate/stay night) to niche franchise(Hyperdimension Neptunia, Touhou Project, Senran Kagura, The Idolmaster etc) to promote(getting people into a franchise)that said franchise(similar to getting people into the dragon quest franchise)

I wouldn't mind it, we already got Persona and Banjo-Kazooie. Though, I don't think Nintendo would add a character just to promote a third party franchise, despite what people salty at Bayonetta says.

I already asked this on the social thread a few days ago. Figured I'd also ask this here but what do you guys think of the possibility of a final bonus character rather then a second season pass?

We got a extra bonus character in the beginning. I don't think its too much of a stretch to see an extra last one after the fifth and final character in the pass.

Among those I could see it being are Waluigi (Upgraded from Assist), Geno or Dixie Kong (Imagine her trailer reveal being the final in the trilogy ofandwith those two chilling withandin Donkey Kong's house).

Geno I would fit perfectly as the last bonus surprise reveal given his demand and support as well as Sakurai having wanted him in Brawl.

I find it very unlikely. If there were plans for more DLC, why it's not included in the pass?

An extra character after a season pass is pretty different from an early purchase bonus.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I have this....BURNING question in me. Like....is it confirmed that there'll even BE a next game after Ultimate? I was always under the impression that Ultimate's the last Smash game.

There is a less than 0% chance Smash Ultimate is the last Smash game.

time for my 3rd quetion
how would you feel if the 4th fighters pass character is from a obscure(Ace Attorney, Yo-kai Watch, The King of Fighters, Tales of, Katamari Damacy, and maybe even Fate/stay night) to niche franchise(Hyperdimension Neptunia, Touhou Project, Senran Kagura, The Idolmaster etc) to promote(getting people into a franchise)that said franchise(similar to getting people into the dragon quest franchise)

I take offense to Ace Attorney and Tales of being called obscure. I wouldn't call most of those franchises obscure, really.

I already asked this on the social thread a few days ago. Figured I'd also ask this here but what do you guys think of the possibility of a final bonus character rather then a second season pass?

We got a extra bonus character in the beginning. I don't think its too much of a stretch to see an extra last one after the fifth and final character in the pass.

Among those I could see it being are Waluigi (Upgraded from Assist), Geno or Dixie Kong (Imagine her trailer reveal being the final in the trilogy ofandwith those two chilling withandin Donkey Kong's house).

Geno I would fit perfectly as the last bonus surprise reveal given his demand and support as well as Sakurai having wanted him in Brawl.

I really don't see why they would do that. What, they realized just now they actually wanted to make a sixth character?

Aren't they just sticklers for the way the game is presented? I'm sure you're right. But you also don't get 60 different versions of your game from multiple companies with different play styles if you're that hard to work with.

I'm sure full licensing would cost a bomb and they probably wouldn't want to be just a passing reference. But Tetris 99 and Tetris Effect show that they're open to experimenting.

I do acknowledge that those two games show an uncharacteristic willingness to experiment, but as we don't know what's going on behind the scenes it's hard to tell what's happening. We only got reputation to go off, and that's not good. I don't see the point in negotiating with them for an AT, honestly.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I take offense to Ace Attorney and Tales of being called obscure. I wouldn't call most of those franchises obscure, really.

To me, there's a world of difference between niche (Which is what I'd consider Ace Attorney and Tales of) and obscure.

 

[xpnc]

To me, there's a world of difference between niche (Which is what I'd consider Ace Attorney and Tales of) and obscure.

Yeah obscure would be something like a Space Station Silicon Valley character or Cubivore or something else along those lines

 

[SirCamp]

Yeah obscure would be something like a Space Station Silicon Valley character

I...

I want this!

I looooove that game.

 

[Nquoid]

Yeah obscure would be something like a Space Station Silicon Valley character or Cubivore or something else along those lines

The idea of going to Rockstar and getting an IP other than Lemmings or GTA would be endlessly amusing to me

 

[Izanagi97]

Space Station Silicon Valley

That's a thing?

 

[Dukemon]

It is very unlikely that Waluigi is part of the fighter pass. His inclusion would piss of as many people like it would please people. However, more important is the case that Waluigi has not an own game for a stage and music.
In internet it gives rumors again, that after fighter pass there will be an extra fighter and it could be Waluigi. Similar the piranha plant. In this case, people who wants Waluigi could buy this dlc. But I would leave each online party, if there is a Waluigi.


More important. Digimon.
You have to expect in the case Digimon will be added, Agumon is the rep. We do not know what is Sakurai opinion to Digimon. Is he playing any Digimon game by himself? We don't know. I don't guess that he wants another Digimon in own preferences.
Agumon could bring back perma transformations. Agumon fast and handy like middle weight fighters, ShineGreymon more like heavy fighters with more agility than Ridley.

 

[StormC]

Agumon could bring back perma transformations. Agumon fast and handy like middle weight fighters, ShineGreymon more like heavy fighters with more agility than Ridley.

They aren't going to develop 3 fighters and package it as 1.

 

[Polan]

I already asked this on the social thread a few days ago. Figured I'd also ask this here but what do you guys think of the possibility of a final bonus character rather then a second season pass?

We got a extra bonus character in the beginning. I don't think its too much of a stretch to see an extra last one after the fifth and final character in the pass.

Among those I could see it being are Waluigi (Upgraded from Assist), Geno or Dixie Kong (Imagine her trailer reveal being the final in the trilogy ofandwith those two chilling withandin Donkey Kong's house).

Geno I would fit perfectly as the last bonus surprise reveal given his demand and support as well as Sakurai having wanted him in Brawl.

i have that gut feeling that we will get one or two characters outside of the season pass. echoes or fully unique, who knows but i'm definitely feeling it.

 

[AEMehr]

It is very unlikely that Waluigi is part of the fighter pass. His inclusion would piss of as many people like it would please people. However, more important is the case that Waluigi has not an own game for a stage and music.

I mean the reaction to his assist trophy reveal day 1 shows he has a huge notoriety compared to every other Assist Trophy character. Nintendo of America (at least) is well aware of the meme that is the character, and it shows through their social media team. If you don't think the character can pull anything for stage / music: Waluigi Pinball, A Mario Party Board, A Mario Tennis Court, etc. are plausible featuring music from the game series it originates from.

I mean iunno, I think if any assist trophy is gonna get the upgrade like that, Waluigi is going to have the incredible shock value.
Even if I still yearn for Shovel Knight music in Smash Brothers.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

time for my 3rd quetion
how would you feel if the 4th fighters pass character is from a obscure(Ace Attorney, Yo-kai Watch, The King of Fighters, Tales of, Katamari Damacy, and maybe even Fate/stay night) to niche franchise(Hyperdimension Neptunia, Touhou Project, Senran Kagura, The Idolmaster etc) to promote(getting people into a franchise)that said franchise(similar to getting people into the dragon quest franchise)

I feel like we'll get someone a bit more obscure, mostly because Smash isn't known for finishing off with their character reveals with their biggest characters.

 

[Door Key Pig]

time for my 3rd quetion
how would you feel if the 4th fighters pass character is from a obscure(Ace Attorney, Yo-kai Watch, The King of Fighters, Tales of, Katamari Damacy, and maybe even Fate/stay night) to niche franchise(Hyperdimension Neptunia, Touhou Project, Senran Kagura, The Idolmaster etc) to promote(getting people into a franchise)that said franchise(similar to getting people into the dragon quest franchise)

I feel like we'll get someone a bit more obscure, mostly because Smash isn't known for finishing off with their character reveals with their biggest characters.

I'd be down!

It's definitely possible, but I wouldn't expect it. The fact that they said "February 2020" tells me pretty clearly that is in their mind, the end of DLC.

Maybe then they didn't have the Fighter's Pass sales to potentially influence another round of DLC?

I mean the reaction to his assist trophy reveal day 1 shows he has a huge notoriety compared to every other Assist Trophy character. Nintendo of America (at least) is well aware of the meme that is the character, and it shows through their social media team. If you don't think the character can pull anything for stage / music: Waluigi Pinball, A Mario Party Board, A Mario Tennis Court, etc. are plausible featuring music from the game series it originates from.

I mean iunno, I think if any assist trophy is gonna get the upgrade like that, Waluigi is going to have the incredible shock value.
Even if I still yearn for Shovel Knight music in Smash Brothers.

IDK if meme status should allow a character to get in over actually important reasons, but maybe I'm wrong on that?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don’t expect obscure characters in this pass.

If the idea is to appeal to the largest amount of fan bases possible (as these last few picks have shown...yes, even Banjo) I don’t see the advantage of an obscure or retro character at this point.

The characters picked do reach past Nintendo fans, because Nintendo/Smash fans will likely buy the DLC in the first place because they love Smash. Logically, buying a retro or obscure character is different from the perspective as somebody who buys the console and game because their favorite 3rd party gets in.

It expands the crossover with more non-Nintendo picks, has a higher probability to succeed if it’s something that folks recognize the world over, and it works even better if that character is relevant and still getting titles today.

Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, R.O.B, and Game & Watch work for base roster, but not so much here, at least I would say. It would sell, but compared to other picks they could make, they’d be leaving money on the table.

 

[TheGuv]

Let's be honest here, any character they'll put would sell it's Smash Bros. They would put someone as obscure as Adol from Ys or Hollow Knight and it still be profitable, even if way less than Joker, Hero or Banjo.

But as much i'd like obscure reps, Scoliosis Jones is right they won't attract much people into smash, Nintendo seems to want smash to be "videogame all-stars" now so i think it makes sense to pick IPs with bigger fanbase like Persona or Dragon Quest than let's say Ys, Disgaea, Hollow Knight, ARMS, Astral Chain or Sakura Wars.

So i would expect something big like Tales, Tekken, Resident Evil, Undertale, Mortal Kombat, DOOM...

 

[Wyoming]

We got Bayonetta as our final DLC last game - an obscure/niche series - after Street Fighter and Final Fantasy.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I mean, Rhythm has a fan-base... A perhaps less niche one in Japan that has yet to properly overlap with Smash...

 

[Curious Villager]

I think when people talk obscure, they mean more niche/dark horse characters like Bayonetta (as we did last time), characters that may not have as vocal of a support base (At least in the Smash community), but still have a cult following for their inclusion.

Not characters like Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B. or Ice Climbers etc.

 

[Wyoming]

It could be argued smaller franchises have a decent shot as well, since E3 was trying to cater to both sides of the planet with what they deemed the most exciting prospects for both sides.

Obviously being bigger than Dragon Quest in Japan is a tough task and I doubt there is a series that wasn't in Smash bigger than it prior, but for the West that could raise a few questions if that's how they planned it out.

The first three characters are also the ones that will and can sell passes. Revealing the three we have now maximizes the chance of sales. The last two being on a smaller scale than those three seems plausible to me.

 

[Nquoid]

It could be argued smaller franchises have a decent shot as well, since E3 was trying to cater to both sides of the planet with what they deemed the most exciting prospects for both sides.

Obviously being bigger than Dragon Quest in Japan is a tough task and I doubt there is a series that wasn't in Smash bigger than it prior, but for the West that could raise a few questions if that's how they planned it out.

The first three characters are also the ones that will and can sell passes. Revealing the three we have now maximizes the chance of sales. The last two being on a smaller scale than those three seems plausible to me.

Although a core difference between the Smash 4 and Ultimate DLC is that the first 3 picks in 4 were all returning veterans. Obviously there was no chance of that happening this time, but I'd argue it ended stronger than it started, but was definitely most hype for Ryu and Cloud in the middle.

 

[tenworldsguy]

How have I not seen it before? It just hit me. What new Zelda rep with a consistent design that's appeared in multiple games be a newcomer for Smash Bros.? It's so obvious. The answer...is Dampe.

Beedle could also work, being among the more recognizable non-Triforce Trio Zelda characters. Perhaps he could use his wares and otherwise unused LOZ items (Beetle, Ball+Chain, Mirror Sheild, etc) to fight. (Or they could de-clone Yink and Twink but we all know that's never gonna happen). Otherwise there is also Tingle, popular enough in Japan to earn two spinoffs for himself (his popularity here, though...).

When I think about it, Takamaru would have been the perfect retro character for this game. Unlike Simon, his franchise remained more like a novelty among many NES games, similarly to Duck Hunt. It's kind of tragic knowing he was only considered for Melee, yet couldn't make the cut all the way far back. He would have been guaranteed for this game otherwise.

He wasn't too relevant back then, but he was recognized enough by Sakurai to be featured as a Mii Costume last game, in addition to a recurring AT role and spirit. Even made a cameo in Koei's Samurai Warriors 3 almost a decade back, so his franchise had that slight temporary boost.

Looking at this, he obviously won't get in now, but I at least think he has a chance to be considered as the following retro rep next game, if that even happens. There's a lot more competition that beats him easily at this point.

Takamaru would have been really nice but I feel not being added in Melee really gimped his chances at being a fighter. Nowadays the smash community would despise any obscure characters or swordsman characters, both of which he is.

Also if he were added we never would have gotten Wobbling

Also, a different idea.

If YOUR most wanted got in as a part of the fighter's pass (ignore deconfirmations of any sort for now) what would be the stage?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Even made a cameo in Koei's Samurai Warriors 3 almost a decade back, so his franchise had that slight temporary boost.

Plus, one of the minigames in Nintendo Land is Takamaru's Ninja Castle. That's what got me into Murasame, more so than any AT.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If an obscure/niche franchise character gets into Smash, it can help make their series more known so it’s a win-win too

 

[Ura]

I could easily see an obscure character being DLC as Fighter 4 or 5 under the premise that a new game or series revival was in the works.

Sure, they wouldn't be known to a broad audience yeah but that's not the point. You got 4 characters that sell to a very broad audience. at that point of time, most have been locked in the Fighters Pass. Having a 5th, first-party one that isn't well known but has a very interesting moveset is an easy sell to these people and naturally their interest in whatever character/series is peaked and it encourages them to check it out. Being exposed to an audience of 15Mil+ or even a fraction of that amount for DLC is a sure way to succeed.

In this case, it's using all the new fans brought in from the other 4 who are buying the Fighters Pass and using that to leverage whatever new title or series is coming out.
This idea isn't completely foreign () but if it were to happen again, I hope it would be someone outside of FE & PKMN.

*roots for Andy/Sami and an Advance Wars revival*

 

[TheGuv]

Do you guys think we could get a Dynasty Warriors rep? Keep in mind that it has had a crossover with Zelda and Fire Emblem.

 

[AEMehr]

IDK if meme status should allow a character to get in over actually important reasons, but maybe I'm wrong on that?

I mean we already memed Ridley, K. Rool, and I guess Banjo and Kazooie now into Smash.

The phrase "meme" doesn't have to be through a negative connotation. It's more of an instance where the idea gets thrown out so much by so many different people that even those outside of the loop are probably aware of it. That is what would garner such a reaction that could rival the other fighter pass characters, and it's purely because of the circumstances surrounding the character.

It doesn't hurt to have an open mind about it, I'm just expecting two more fighters with stages/music and some Mii Fighter costumes myself, but to assume it would never happen is the type of thing that can make it appealing for them to consider.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Do you guys think we could get a Dynasty Warriors rep? Keep in mind that it has had a crossover with Zelda and Fire Emblem.

Vanilla Dynasty Warriors (not the crossovers like Zelda, FE or Gundam) is based on a story called Romance of the Three Kingdoms, so idk I kinda doubt it

I could easily see an obscure character being DLC as Fighter 4 or 5 under the premise that a new game or series revival was in the works.

Sure, they wouldn't be known to a broad audience yeah but that's not the point. You got 4 characters that sell to a very broad audience. at that point of time, most have been locked in the Fighters Pass. Having a 5th, first-party one that isn't well known but has a very interesting moveset is an easy sell to these people and naturally their interest in whatever character/series is peaked and it encourages them to check it out. Being exposed to an audience of 15Mil+ or even a fraction of that amount for DLC is a sure way to succeed.

In this case, it's using all the new fans brought in from the other 4 who are buying the Fighters Pass and using that to leverage whatever new title or series is coming out.
This idea isn't completely foreign () but if it were to happen again, I hope it would be someone outside of FE & PKMN.

*roots for Andy/Sami and an Advance Wars revival*

I’m hoping the first party one is Elma, especially if it lines up with the “already appeared” rumor. The fact Rex’s Mii Costume was revealed so soon with the pass kinda makes me think we’ll get a Xenoblade series character that isn’t Rex or even Torna’s protagonist, Lora.

Fiora is possible, especially since Chrom is both playable and in a Final Smash, but what stage and music would Fiora come with? And Spirits too? Elma, however, would be perfect. There are several X character Spirits still missing (Irina, Doug, L, Gwin, Yelv, the villains, etc); composer Hiroyuki Sawano’s “secret project” is still unknown, and it could be a Banjo situation where Elma was planned as far back as last year for DLC; and you’ve got a ton of unique stage ideas for X. I’m partial to the alien biome of Sylvalum myself.

 

[Ura]

I’m hoping the first party one is Elma, especially if it lines up with the “already appeared” rumor. The fact Rex’s Mii Costume was revealed so soon with the pass kinda makes me think we’ll get a Xenoblade series character that isn’t Rex or even Torna’s protagonist, Lora.

Fiora is possible, especially since Chrom is both playable and in a Final Smash, but what stage and music would Fiora come with? And Spirits too? Elma, however, would be perfect. There are several X character Spirits still missing (Irina, Doug, L, Gwin, Yelv, the villains, etc); composer Hiroyuki Sawano’s “secret project” is still unknown, and it could be a Banjo situation where Elma was planned as far back as last year for DLC; and you’ve got a ton of unique stage ideas for X. I’m partial to the alien biome of Sylvalum myself.

With Advance Wars, i'm a bit hopeful because of it's Assist Trophy removal and lack of any Mii Costume or Music Track. The only thing it has is Spirits and it doesn't even reflect the main characters except for Andy. Max & Sami being completely absent as Spirits makes me believe there's a chance for AW DLC in Challenger Pack 4 or 5 along with an outright revival for the series in 2020. Andy/Sami could be put in to promote the return of the franchise if that were to happen.

Not to mention it's a completely new franchise being added to Smash so it lines up pretty well with the theme of the Fighters Pass (franchises new to Smash).

 

[Dust319]

Do you guys think we could get a Dynasty Warriors rep? Keep in mind that it has had a crossover with Zelda and Fire Emblem.

As a 3 Kingdoms fan due to the Dynasty Warriors series even I have to say an emphatic no. The games are based on book characters and historical figures.
KoeiTecmo’s relationship with Nintendo with Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors as well as Pokemon Conquest makes me hopeful for a KOEI TECMO character, but it’s more likely Ryu Hayabusa or a Dead or Alive character since they are original characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Do you guys think we could get a Dynasty Warriors rep? Keep in mind that it has had a crossover with Zelda and Fire Emblem.

I've mainly considered a Musou rep a possibility. I don't believe for a second that anyone from Dynasty Warriors or Samurai Warriors would be overlooked because of who they're based off of (in which case is mainly historical figures). Unless the licensing for Musou characters are as troublesome as licensing characters from non-video game franchises like One Piece or Goldeneye, Musou representation could be the biggest sleeper pick for the Fighter Pass.

Plus, while the gameplay itself is not for everyone, the music has always been 1 of the strongest parts of Musou games and would be cool to see Koei's music team get some more recognition.

Spoiler: Dynasty Warriors Music

Spoiler: Samurai Warriors Music

 

[krokotopia101]

Ni No Kuni is obscureeeeee....

ANYWAY, I'm getting the impression that as well as the fact that it will indeed make people pissed than make people cheer, the trouble with adding in Waluigi is how his movesets would function. Someday, I'm sure Waluigi will have his chance, and should he ever does, there's always basing his movesets based on the sports games. This video kinda gives off the idea and I'd welcome a tennis-based moveset for him.

I'm still also welcoming some other Mario & Kirby characters (SHOULD a new Smash game come at some point) as the base roster, being y'know Toad, Toadette, Marx, Adeleine & Ribbon, Susie, Magolor. Though Mario has allot of characters already, it doesn't sit well with me how little reps Kirby got, given how popular his game is. That would honestly go for Sonic too. I'd live to see the day Amy, Tails, and Knuckles would be included rather than only Shadow the Edgelord as a echo fighter.