Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Was this question at all related to the Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town remake announcement that just happened? The fact that that game is specifically getting remade for the Switch just reignited my fantasy of having Jack in Smash. I don't think it'll happen, but man oh man would that make me happy. And a little voice inside just has to wonder, what might the impetus for such a remake have been? The remake does very squarely cater to the nostalgia that the Switch seems to so carefully have nurtured for 90's kids. What if it coincides with a Smash reveal?
Sakurai literally said in his most recent book non-video game characters will not be in Smash and namedropped Goku.
nice choices there, and if want my answer to my 4th question it's different Rockstar game but I think Jimmy Hopkins(Bully) is most likely Rockstar rep to get a smash invitation(one of the least violent Rockstar protagonists, one of the few Rockstar games that appears on a Nintendo console,)
Except... being a non-video game character is really the only thing that makes him unable to fit in. Licensing is a different issue in itself. But not what you mean, since you're talking about a subjective thing.
Well, this falls under something different from the argument here; that's the "impossible" part due to licensing. It has nothing to do with "fitting in", which honestly, the thing that makes him not fit in is... being a non-game character. And that makes sense. People want it game-only. Can't blame 'em and all.
Indeed. Especially when you consider that people'll ask for requests that aren't generally going to happen. Various other characters. Goku is one of the few who has the cultural icon status that can be worth making an exception for, but it does legitimately open Pandora's Box. Not in the sense that tons of other non-game characters ever have a chance, but moreso he'll be bombarded by requests, and wants to avoid that. Especially since the licensing is difficult enough that it's easier to avoid the whole situation. Again, can't blame 'em.
Which is... irrelevant? Cause there's never been a case where he said he dislikes the idea either, which is one of the many silly arguments seen over and over again, that he hates the idea. We've never seen anything of the sort. He doesn't need to speak high praise of something for it to happen. It's a neutral stance of how personal opinion of them. There's actual good reasons to avoid it, and even remotely praising the idea despite being impossible just gets fanbases riled up as is. Even mentioning the idea sets people off despite it not even being a big issue to begin with. It's just a character in a game. The idea it'd create issues(beyond him being bombarded with requests at best) on some massive scale is really overblown.
Sakurai mocked the idea of putting Goku and SpongeBob in Smash. My point is there are unrealistic things, and then there's the literal impossible.
Lighthearted laughing at things is pretty normal for him before adding the character. Just like he did for Ridley. Yeahhhh, no, I don't believe he actually hates the idea at all. That's his general response to many things. He doesn't take things that seriously as people thinks he does. Last thing he'll do in this situation is give a strong response, because he's trying to avoid a subject that he knows riles fanbases up. Besides, that link shows he wasn't even laughing at anyone but Segato Sanshiro and Yukawasen. What he said was a neutral "That's impossible" while not making fun of the characters at all. So like I said, neutral response overall while simply saying he can't do so, while never explaining why beyond licensing. I have yet to see legitimate hate like people keep on suggesting, yet never can truly back up.
Tekken 7 already has an issue with licensing Negan: He isn't available in the arcade version, while the rest of the DLC is. Plus there's how Tekken 3 couldn't be released on the PS Store because of Gon.
Well, that's also a different company who might have a different view of how to handle licensing. Sakurai has good reasons to not even try, as he's well aware of how horrid the fanbases can be if he doesn't do exactly what "they" want. Adding in a clearly controversial character is already a questionable idea. If it was at least a 1st party, it's not that risky. 3rd party that costs a lot is just not a risk worth taking anyway.
I've never once suggested he hates it, you are putting words in my mouth. He just isn't in favor of it. He's repeated this point several times, saying "manga characters will not join the battle (obviously)" and saying he doesn't think characters like Goku or Iron Man would happen very recently. You would have to build a case to prove that he is actually fond of the idea, which you can't because he's never stated otherwise. It isn't comparable at all to Ridley, who is a first party character whose implementation purely came down to technical gameplay issues.
And this is still missing the point. He never said he dislikes the idea. It's a neutral response and pretty irrelevant overall, just like I said earlier. You literally said earlier he "mocked" the idea of Goku, but that's not really true. He didn't actually mock anything either. It's easy to tell he just isn't able to treat the idea seriously, for good reasons.
No, like I said in a later post, I don't play Harvest Moon. But as a supporter of a Style Savvy character, it got me thinking about Japanese games that are very, very popular among the non hardcore segment if video game players, and I was wondering if any third-party series fit into that. I immediately thought of my friend and how she loves Harvest Moon, and I went "Oh yeah, Harvest Moon is real big, isn't it?"
I think it's owing much less to the "leaks" than Hines' statement. Characters flood in and out of unverifiable anonymous "leaks", but someone in the industry poking the fanbase will leave an impression. Look at Spencer's tweet, that actually caused an inclusion.
I feel people misinterpret the James Bond ****. James Bond was never considered. It was an answer to a statement made by an employee iirc. One which said "James Bond should be in" to which Sakurai replied with a polite "No, it's never going to happen and here's why"
I don't think I've ever played over ten minutes of Harvest Moon but I'd be cool with Jack or someone. People underestimate how popular and influential they were.
Tbh if James Bond was in Smash I don't think I'd have gotten into Smash in the first place. The whole point of Smash is that it's a videogame crossover, it would feel almost like a troll game if it suddenly had movie characters in it.
Honestly no. I understand the appeal to many as I too felt it when we got Sonic AND Pac-Man in the game but it's a fleeting appeal to me as after the initial shock of them being in they're just...sort of there standing out like sore thumbs.
I can see where he's coming from: There are too many icons if you start allowing non-video game characters. Even at Smash's start you had characters like Popeye, James Bond and Harry Potter (Nintendo did offer to buy his video game rights from JK Rowling, the rights instead went to EA / Warner likely because they could much more readily go multi-plat. Don't blame Rowling for that position though, that's reasonable). Even Doraemon, who appeared with Bond in the old poll from the N64 days.
Quick correction, Hellboy got into Injustice 2, MK's sister series about a more dystopic DC universe. Mortal Kombat's generally the host to horror movie icons (Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, Alien / Predator etc.) as well as Spawn being confirmed as DLC for 11 (Terminator and Ash from the Evil Dead being heavily rumored by Shang Tsung's DLC trailer).
This is what I get for writing a reply first thing in the morning after 4 hours sleep...
I thought she was created for a music video or something? Not really a similar case, as the Tamagotchi-like things are pretty much video games in every way but name. It's not even like a Pinball Machine, which is more of a spin-off of a video game.
Yeah, I know that Digimon is a video game series.
Basically that, yeah.
I did some fixes to your posts, but I agree.
JD I understand you liking these franchises, but the post edit seems quite uneccessary if its just for that and still agree on his point.
Well we have stuff from Mario Paint in the game so it's not unprecedented. Still, like you said, a grey area
DRAGON BALL HAS HAD GAMES MADE BY BANDAI NAMCO. Why the [BLEEP] did Sakurai namedrop Goku, even though Dragon Ball FighterZ was made by Bandai Namco in the first place?
Bcause Goku was created for a manga. Tony Hawk also has video games but that doesn't mean he's a video game character.
They're in the same boat as Starkiller and other similar characters. While their franchises did not start out as video games, these characters did debut in video games. I don't know if Sakurai would consider a character who has this issue.
